EQ 'Next'

[Paelos]

No.

[Nebu]

No.

My thoughts exactly.

[Threash]

I wanna be a person or an elf!

[Kageru]

I agree entirely. There's something very different about "this is me" as a motivator compared to being the invisible pilot of a vehicle.

[Rasix]

I don't want to be a dumb tank, i want to be a person.

Are Elves people?

Coming from an elf hater: close enough.  Humanoids generally work.  Plus, there are varieties.  They come in human, magical black person, dwarf, elf, gnome, reptile hybrid, mammal hybrid, dude with spikes on their head, etc etc.  Enough to satisfy your every whim/kink.

Do you at least have a head or portrait or something in WoT?

[Kageru]

You have a crew which slowly develop skills and can be retrained / retained across future vehicles for that nationality. They have a name and face but they're not "you" or visible in game. Though they can be injured or killed (for the remainder of the match) which means the tank will be weakened by their absence. For example lose a gunner and you can't fire until the rest of the crew cover for him and even then it's degraded. Which actually gives WoT a reasonably complex damage model.

[Tmon]

Best part of WoT for me is that the controls boil down to wasd and left and right mouse button.  I bound max sniper to the right mouse and while I occasionally switch ammo or use consumables it's not something I have to do every battle unlike MMOs where I am constantly looking down at the key board to use my next ability or clicking around the hot bar with the mouse.

[eldaec]

Just in the spirit of enquiry, does your 'must have humanoid avatar' damage only apply to MMOGs?

Or do you refuse to play stuff like Civilisation, SimCity, motor racing games, free space or tie fighter?

How do team games fit in (tactics, madden, blood bowl)?

What about chess or monopoly?

Does MechWarrior count as humanoid?

What about pacman?

[Kageru]

I think the context was more in terms of RPG's, specifically MMORPG's, for which character progression is a major part. Something like WoT or Mechwarrior, where the pilot is abstract and you play a vehicle, isn't as motivating as when you have a "virtual self" to boss around. Same reason a lot of people disliked vehicles in WoW raids I suspect.

[Simond]

https://twitter.com/Brasse/status/357962958988525570

@braxkedren @DaveGeorgeson I can hardly wait to see the reactions. Bring your wishes AND an open mind, cause #EQNext is VERY new territory.

The tears of the Verant-EQ-1999 grognards are going to be wonderful to behold.

[Merusk]

I'll admit they've piqued my interest enough that I want to see the direction they're trying, even if I expect it to be a total clusterfuck.

[Miasma]

https://twitter.com/Brasse/status/357962958988525570

@braxkedren @DaveGeorgeson I can hardly wait to see the reactions. Bring your wishes AND an open mind, cause #EQNext is VERY new territory.

The tears of the Verant-EQ-1999 grognards are going to be wonderful to behold.

I don't want to actually go to whatever dark corners of the internet house such people so I hope someone pulls in the most ridiculous rants and posts them here.  Sort of like what we do with redstate.

[Falconeer]

Something like WoT or Mechwarrior, where the pilot is abstract and you play a vehicle isn't as motivating as when you have a "virtual self" to boss around

You don't play a vehicle in MechWarrior more than you play a rifle in Call of Duty. You can even see the arms and legs of "yourself" when you look around in MWO. In first person shooters and racing games you tend to be the human behind the steering wheel and the whole purpose of your character being partially invisible is to make YOU feel the protagonist. Immersion.

Also, I understand and agree with your point on RPGs and character progression, but I don't get the "isn't as motivating as" part.

[Surlyboi]

[Falconeer]

Well played, Vin Diesel. 

[Ingmar]

Something like WoT or Mechwarrior, where the pilot is abstract and you play a vehicle isn't as motivating as when you have a "virtual self" to boss around

You don't play a vehicle in MechWarrior more than you play a rifle in Call of Duty. You can even see the arms and legs of "yourself" when you look around in MWO. In first person shooters and racing games you tend to be the human behind the steering wheel and the whole purpose of your character being partially invisible is to make YOU feel the protagonist. Immersion.

Also, I understand and agree with your point on RPGs and character progression, but I don't get the "isn't as motivating as" part.

You may not get it, but it is a big deal to a lot of people. Surveying said people is why Eve decided they needed walking in space stations and Auto Assault had the awful walking around in town bits. I admit I have a preference for it myself, but I'd rather not have it than have it half-assed like those.

[Margalis]

They are really setting themselves up to not deliver. The only things that have been said about the game are that it's new, different and awesome. If it ends up being a WoW-clone they are going to take a well-deserved beating.

[Falconeer]

Something like WoT or Mechwarrior, where the pilot is abstract and you play a vehicle isn't as motivating as when you have a "virtual self" to boss around

You don't play a vehicle in MechWarrior more than you play a rifle in Call of Duty. You can even see the arms and legs of "yourself" when you look around in MWO. In first person shooters and racing games you tend to be the human behind the steering wheel and the whole purpose of your character being partially invisible is to make YOU feel the protagonist. Immersion.

Also, I understand and agree with your point on RPGs and character progression, but I don't get the "isn't as motivating as" part.

You may not get it, but it is a big deal to a lot of people. Surveying said people is why Eve decided they needed walking in space stations and Auto Assault had the awful walking around in town bits. I admit I have a preference for it myself, but I'd rather not have it than have it half-assed like those.

Again, I find it very motivating in third-person games (like all those you and Kageru mentioned, except MWO), not motivating at all in first-person games. Your mileage may vary.

[Kageru]

Yes, not everyone is the same.

That said mechwarrior online has pilot skills and a picture of the pilot for the same reason, to try and suggest there's a "you" in there. I always imagined mine cursing at how his mech moves so slow, can't climb hills and get's stuck on every obstruction.

[Mrbloodworth]

EQ Franchise Keynote: Friday, 11am -1pm AUG 2nd.

[Simond]

EQ Franchise Keynote: Friday, 11am -1pm AUG 2nd.

[Teleku]

Man oh man I cannot wait! 

Think F13 will hit a critical mass of posting and photoshoping like it did for the lead up to the diablo 3 announcement?   

[Nonentity]

Man oh man, you guys. The tears and anguish forthcoming will be so delicious. I can't wait to see the reactions of people who write things like this unironically:

I remember the day they made guards unattackable in Greater Faydark. I thought to myself, this is the beginning of the end.

[Merusk]

Yes, the wailing and gnashing will be glorious on that front.

[Falconeer]

[Ingmar]

Man oh man I cannot wait! 

Think F13 will hit a critical mass of posting and photoshoping like it did for the lead up to the diablo 3 announcement?   

Not even close.

[Mrbloodworth]

I didn't realize that was hand painted. Also, his faces kinda look like, his face.

[Nebu]

I wish I had that kind of talent.  That's a cool picture.

[Bzalthek]

Yes, the wailing and gnashing will be glorious on that front.

And if you haven't got teeth then teeth will be provided oh yes indeed.

[Merusk]

I can't tell if it's the hairstyle, perspective or if he just has a creepy-small head.  Like he got the top half of the head from the actress in The Wolverine.

[Surlyboi]

It's Robert Irvine's anemic brother.

[Venkman]

EQ Franchise Keynote: Friday, 11am -1pm AUG 2nd.

Pacific Time? I assume, but wanted to confirm anyway.

[Draegan]

I assume local vegas time. Is that pst now?

[Ingmar]

Nevada is always on Pacific Time.

[Shatter]

Is it wrong that this is the first time I've been excited about an MMO(or least MMO info) in years?  WHAT ARE THESE FEELS?  WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME!?  The glass is half full...the glass is half full...