Iron Man 2

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... you want to see Nathan Fillion slap around Scarlett Johansson?

Hawkeye doesn't need much backstory - he's just a good shot.

[Evildrider]

OK, that could be amazing. I'd watch an Ant Man movie with Nathan Fillion.

But he needs a Scarlett Johansson of a Janet Van Dyne, and preferably the Ultimate version of Jan.

Well its not Scar, but Eva Longoria is the rumor for Wasp.

[Hoax]

... you want to see Nathan Fillion slap around Scarlett Johansson?

Hawkeye doesn't need much backstory - he's just a good shot.

Seriously Hawkeye needs nothing beyond Sam Jackson telling them he is good at shooting shit and he is on the team. Does he even have an origin because I read my share of comics and I never heard of it. According to wiki he doesn't, he was in the circus blahblah ok nobody cares and no movie audience needs that. Making him in love w/ Johansson is a good idea though, god she is so fine.

[LK]

OK, that could be amazing. I'd watch an Ant Man movie with Nathan Fillion.

But he needs a Scarlett Johansson of a Janet Van Dyne, and preferably the Ultimate version of Jan.

Well its not Scar, but Eva Longoria is the rumor for Wasp.

That'll do. She's a petite spitfire and also equally unavailable as Scarlett Johansson.

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Saw this in the weekend - not bad. It was a little bit too close to the first movie in structure, but that's a minor complaint.

My wife made the comment that Sam Rockwell was doing his best Tom Cruise impersonation and then that was all I could see in the character.

[Hoax]

Tom Cruise or Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder who was so much cooler than real Tom Cruise I vote he be given his own personhood.

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Tom Cruise or Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder who was so much cooler than real Tom Cruise I vote he be given his own personhood.

Ben Stiller is planning to make a movie just about that Tom Cruise character in "Tropic Thunder".

[NowhereMan]

Hawkeye's origin in regular Marvel was a circus sharpshooter that decided to rob banks, was foiled and became a hero. Ultimates Hawkeye was just someone who was an amazing shot that was partnered with Black Widow on SHIELD's black ops team /geek.

I don't think he'd be great for an Avengers movie just because the character really is pretty shallow if you're not going to be going into any character development. You'd be getting another Wolverine Origins type bit where you've got a guy who really is just like a male version of Black Widow in that he seems to be some super agent that does acrobatic shit and the audience really isn't going to give a fuck about him. Giant Man and Wasp have distinctive designs (in terms of powers and clear character traits, crazy scientist and designer girlfriend) that make it easy to set up relations and differentiate them from everyone else in the movie. If they have Hawkeye he's going to be an uninteresting background character who will look kind of bad ass and have a few scenes where he's leaping through the air shooting a dozen baddies with pin point aim and maybe a closeup of him shooting the gun out of some big baddy's hand. I would much rather see a crazy scientist growing 20m tall and trying to tell his miniature wife how to disable the giant world ending gizmo from the inside. Even if they can't be properly introduced (if the movie hasn't gotten done in time) they can still just give him and the wife a 3 or 4 minute intro scene and explain their powers to the other team members.

[Velorath]

Hawkeye's origin in regular Marvel was a circus sharpshooter that decided to rob banks, was foiled and became a hero.

He didn't decide to rob banks, he stopped a robbery but the cops thought he was the thief.

[Typhon]

Oh sure, that's what HE says

[Teleku]

OK, that could be amazing. I'd watch an Ant Man movie with Nathan Fillion.

But he needs a Scarlett Johansson of a Janet Van Dyne, and preferably the Ultimate version of Jan.

Well its not Scar, but Eva Longoria is the rumor for Wasp.

I'm betting they go the Ultimate Wasp route so they have an excuse to include some hot Asian chick in the film.  Always a hit with the nerds.

[LK]

  Please!

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I'm betting they go the Ultimate Wasp route so they have an excuse to include some hot Asian chick in the film.  Always a hit with the nerds.

... and, again, have Hank Pym slap her round. Pym's superpowers are size control and domestic abuse.

[Khaldun]

And creating autonomous killer robots that go on to commit genocide but also have weird psychosexual obsessions.

and having nervous breakdowns in general.

and having multiple personality problems.

What I really like about Hank Pym as a character is that all this stuff happened organically--it wasn't part of the character's conception, he was just a whitebread superhero-scientist. But as the pile of Pym's neuroses got bigger, it all kind of made sense, and you could even see signs of it way back in his history.

Not sure how you get that in a film, though, unless you set him up as a really anxious nerd to contrast him with Banner and Stark.

[HaemishM]

Rockwell would have been good for that, but he's been used. 

I'd love it if they included Pym and Wasp, but I don't see the wacked-out wife-beater Pym ever showing up onscreen unless he turns into a complete villain. Even with the level of sophistication the Marvel movies have shown, I don't see anyone taking a flagpole franchise character and turning him into a wife-beater.

[LK]

I can, if they reinvent the characters into one involving a sadist - masochist relationship. The Wasp is a semi-willing slave to Giant Man, and her freedom from his control represents when she stops shrinking and she starts growing.

Just one possibility of many to make these characters palatable. These people are more than their powers and can have those powers be representative of their character personalities and traits. Look at what they did for the new Fantastic Four.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I can, if they reinvent the characters into one involving a sadist - masochist relationship. The Wasp is a semi-willing slave to Giant Man, and her freedom from his control represents when she stops shrinking and she starts growing.

Just one possibility of many to make these characters palatable. These people are more than their powers and can have those powers be representative of their character personalities and traits. Look at what they did for the new Fantastic Four.

Do you people even read what you write? Do you honestly think any director is going to spend any amount of time to devote to this or the other dozen suggestions you people are putting out? This is a summer action movie and it is going to be as nuanced as...a summer action movie. You'll be lucky to even get any characters besides the already established movie ones in the avengers and if they do add more, they are sure as hell not going to spend more than 10-15min on backstory. 

[NowhereMan]

One of my favourite interpretations of Pym is that he's actually a typical mad-scientist who keeps trying to be a hero, sort of Rusty Venture type who only seems to really succeed in creating destruction. That said they've been devoting a lot of time in the last couple of years to rehabilitating him as one of Marvel's top scientist hero types, considering the shit Stark and Reed managed it's been a welcome change of pace for science. Honestly I think he's a really fun character with more depth and room for unpredicatbility than some of the others. I'm hoping they at least show spending his time trying to show off in front of Stark and Banner and getting shot down somewhat. Full on Ultimate Marvel domestic abuse Pym isn't going to happen, even if they do a Giant Man movie I don't see that happening, it's just too dark and requires (if it's being handled well) a lot more maturity than any of these movies have shown so far to pull off. Though if they took a Spiderman 3 to it and had him back hand Janet before strutting down the street in a white disco suit I would go see that film for the sheer hilarity.

Like I said before I expect them to be included because as well as being iconic Avengers they've got a very distinctive powers and characters that I think would make them much easier to introduce to audiences, "Here's Hank Pym, he's a scientist and is now 25m tall. This is his hot wife who can shrink real small and shoot zaps from her hand." Everyone knows men need a profession to identify them and women need to be hot, basic character development covered.

[LK]

Downey as Stark does have a great habit of shutting down any sort of ego that attempts to escalate his own.

[Velorath]

Write up on Marvel's movie panel at Comic-Con.

Of particular note, Jeremy Renner was confirmed as Hawkeye, and Mark Ruffalo was announced as the new Hulk for the Avengers.  It looks like the main cast is set.  Also sounds like the Cap and Thor stuff that was shown got a decent reaction from the crowds.

[eldaec]

One day it will occur to someone that fucking around with different actors is never going to fix The Incredible Hulk. Unless someone plans to substantially rework the whole concept it isn't going to work on film.

[Tannhauser]

Marvel has a really ambitious plan with Cap, Thor and then the Avengers movie.  But HELL YEAH!  If they pull this off it will be amazing.  The thought of all the Avengers assembled and interacting, not to mention fighting some big badass, is great.

I applaud DC for the extremely high quality Batman movies; lets hope Green Lantern comes close.  But they are at least one step behind Marvel.  DC should re-re-boot Superman and get some more DC characters some screen time somehow.

[NowhereMan]

The rumour mill has DC considering a JLA movie long term, with a few more introducing characters in between but they're holding off to see how the Lantern movie does. I'm hoping they take a leaf out of the Marvel movies so far and make something close to the spirit of the comic, some sort of fun, actiony sci-fi movie would do well. Not sure what the big problem with the Hulk is conceptually eldaec, it's very easy to do badly but the Jekyll and Hyde/Frankenstein premise seems like one that could work well in a single movie. Not much room for franchising though since I'd imagine the theme would be pretty played out after one film. It would require playing up the terrifying destructiveness of the Hulk quite a bit beforehand though to make those hunting him down look like something other than caricature baddies. As a straightforward summer action movie though, yeah a big green guy throwing tanks through walls is cool but doesn't really have room for anything more than mcguffin story telling.

[sickrubik]

Write up on Marvel's movie panel at Comic-Con.

Of particular note, Jeremy Renner was confirmed as Hawkeye, and Mark Ruffalo was announced as the new Hulk for the Avengers.  It looks like the main cast is set.  Also sounds like the Cap and Thor stuff that was shown got a decent reaction from the crowds.

Of course, take any reaction from SDCC with a grain of salt. Purely playing to the home-town crowd, so to speak. It's nice that Cap/Thor seems linked pretty well. everything should tie together nicely.

[Typhon]

One day it will occur to someone that fucking around with different actors is never going to fix The Incredible Hulk. Unless someone plans to substantially rework the whole concept it isn't going to work on film.

I liked both of the recent Hulk movies but that could be because The Hulk was my fav growing up (70s) and I'm a slut for a super-hero movie.

[WayAbvPar]

NECRO!

Finally saw this last night (thanks, Netflix!). I was surprised at how much I liked it. I didn't hear much buzz about it while it was in the theatres, so  anticipated it being tepid. Not so at all. I didn't recognize Sam Rockwell until he took off his glasses- that little fucker is a chameleon! And as noted above, was doing his best Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder impression. I am pissed I didn't sit through the credits and had to go look up the scene on the 'net, which seems to be bootlegs of it.

I am probably in the minority, but I am glad Mickey Rourke had limited screen time. His character was ok, but have loathed Mickey Rourke the douchebag and actor since the 1980s, and anything to limit my exposure to him was all good with me.

Almost felt sorry for Gwynyth Paltrow a couple of times- it has to be galling to be getting to her age and have to share the screen with ScarJo. Paltrow can actually act a bit, but godDAMN Scarlett is just so so so hot.

[Mattemeo]

It's a movie that seems to be getting an unfair ammount of revile after the fact. It doesn't even feel that much like a backlash; about the most coherently damning thing I ever hear anyone say about it is that it's 'more of the same'. And considering how much of a breath of fresh air the first movie was, I struggle mightily to see why that's a bad thing, in retrospect or otherwise. I think there's a better movie to come, perhaps, and I hear tell of too much Marvel meddling in the creation of the movie, but I can happily look past all the Avengers references and enjoy it as another delicious RDJ-as-Tony Stark character piece.

[Ratman_tf]

It's a movie that seems to be getting an unfair ammount of revile after the fact. It doesn't even feel that much like a backlash; about the most coherently damning thing I ever hear anyone say about it is that it's 'more of the same'. And considering how much of a breath of fresh air the first movie was, I struggle mightily to see why that's a bad thing, in retrospect or otherwise.

I don't think 2 was as good as the first one, but I still liked it a lot, so I'm not gonna complain. The first one is hard to top. 

[Velorath]

It's a movie that seems to be getting an unfair ammount of revile after the fact. It doesn't even feel that much like a backlash; about the most coherently damning thing I ever hear anyone say about it is that it's 'more of the same'. And considering how much of a breath of fresh air the first movie was, I struggle mightily to see why that's a bad thing, in retrospect or otherwise. I think there's a better movie to come, perhaps, and I hear tell of too much Marvel meddling in the creation of the movie, but I can happily look past all the Avengers references and enjoy it as another delicious RDJ-as-Tony Stark character piece.

With Favreau walking away, it's up in the air how good the next movie will be.  I thought 2 was ok, but Stark had a much better character arc in the first movie.  A self-centered arms manufacturer who experiences first hand what his technology does to people and subsequently tries to change his ways is a much better story than him acting drunk and stupid because he thinks he's dying.  Iron Man was one of the few super-hero origin movies where I thought the origin was entertaining in it's own right rather than something the series has to slog through in order to set up subsequent movies.

[Ironwood]

It doesn't even feel that much like a backlash;

 

[Margalis]

The second movie had some bad structural problems. For most of the movie there is no villain, at least that Iron Man is a aware of.

The first movie was similar in that regard but it was an origin story and there was other stuff going on.

[UnSub]

There are various rumours that both Downey and Favreau were unhappy with having to fit in a set-up to the Avengers movie that takes up a lot of screen time. Nick Fury showing up is fun, but it is a giant stop sign to progressing the movie. If you cut those bits out, you miss practically nothing and the film is tighter.

Also: I'm going to be a total prick of a dad to my kids, but record them a message that they may see 30 years later about how I still love them and they have the potential to be great. And you know what? They'll still hate me because I was a prick to them. As they should. 

[Khaldun]

I thought IM2 was ok--I saw it well after it was in theaters. But it definitely had issues with a sloppy story and a less-involving character arc.

[Ironwood]

There are various rumours that both Downey and Favreau were unhappy with having to fit in a set-up to the Avengers movie that takes up a lot of screen time. Nick Fury showing up is fun, but it is a giant stop sign to progressing the movie. If you cut those bits out, you miss practically nothing and the film is tighter.

Also: I'm going to be a total prick of a dad to my kids, but record them a message that they may see 30 years later about how I still love them and they have the potential to be great. And you know what? They'll still hate me because I was a prick to them. As they should. 

Well, sure, but I think I'd be a little more well-disposed to my dad if that video contained information in how to cure my fatal heavy-metal poisoning...

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A note would have been fine, rather than, "I've designed my entire park around a new element that requires very specific circumstances for you to see it, just in case you have a massive physical injury that requires you to insert a mini arc reactor into your body".