Trent Reznor Gets Disenchanted with the Internet

[Soln]

I'm pretty sick of social networks.  I think Reznor's right. I had to work on this stuff for nearly a decade and it's fundamentally about advertising $$ and not community.  The Well is long long long gone, and so is NWN on AOL.

As AOL was once the onboarding tool for many non-technical people to the InterWebz so now social networks are the tool to widen the net.  Personally, I have a derelict Facebook page with a friends list that exists only because my wife uses her own daily.  I never had a MySpace page.  I've never shared del.icio.us stuff or google reader links or bloody anything.  I have a LinkedIn mostly to help former staff for referrals.  The places I want to visit and bother reading are actual communities like f13.  The rest of that stuff is noise. 

[Mrbloodworth]

I guess i just equate what i have heard from those two bands to be somewhere between full on pop (like the track you posted, that sounds a lot like the styling of one of those Dave grohl bands..., who i loved with killing joke, don't get me wrong) and Disco Volante, with less sense.

I am currently educating myself, go go Pandora. As for Death metal, its my genre of choice, however i am picky in that genre too. I do, however listen to some really odd shit, but some of what i have heard (live) from Fantomas, just didn't hook me.

New GWAR album in August BTW. 

[Amarr HM]

oh, and as for synths, Mike himself plays them full time (plus like a gazzilion mics) in Tomahawk. His voice is also the best it's been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F72MGGpORMM

Hehe ok point, but they aren't quite the same as the 80's drone sounds used by Roddy Bottum I really thought that was adventurous when all the other rock bands of the time were composed of three piece or dual guitars. Not only did it make them sound unique but if you listen to it now the sound hasn't dated a huge amount. FNM was a pretty solid lineup of musicians aswell and afaik they are touring again sans Chris Martin.

[stray]

I guess i just equate what i have heard from those two bands to be somewhere between full on pop (like the track you posted, that sounds a lot like the styling of one of those Dave grohl bands..., who i loved with killing joke, don't get me wrong) and Disco Volante, with less sense.

I am currently educating myself, go go Pandora. As for Death metal, its my genre of choice, however i am picky in that genre too. I do, however listen to some really odd shit, but some of what i have heard (live) from Fantomas, just didn't hook me.

New GWAR album in August BTW.  

When did you equate anything to be somewhere between full on pop? You said Tomahawk is experimental stuff like "Antelope Ceremony" when I said they rocked. Antelope Ceremony is just from the last album. You said Fantomas was just an excuse for Patton to make mouth noises, when he's sung plenty on some of their songs. I've showed you an example. You're not making any sense. Nor does either one of those bands approach anything near Dave Grohl territory (in any of his incarnations). Not that I don't like Grohl. I do. Still makes no sense though.

Anyways, if you like Patton, just buy Mit Gas and be done with it. Put in your car, blast it, and get in a fight. Just not with me. I'm bored now.

[DeathInABottle]

If you're a Patton fan and you haven't listened to his EP with the Dillinger Escape Plan, do yourself a favour and track it down.  It's easily the best work that DEP has put out, and it's Patton at his finest.

[HaemishM]

He's been constantly successful since the 80's without the need for people who identify their cool through music. Even when I thought his work was mediocre, folks were going nuts for him. I'll take that kind of irrelevance. :)

This. You can bag on Reznor all you want because you don't like his music or think he's an overdramatic twerp. But his experiment with social media and new distribution channels has been fucking awesome. He's been part of the music industry that has championed downloadable music and he'd given away entire albums for free over the interwebs. Contrast that with a group of dickbags like Metallica has been lately and it's a lot more relevant than most musicians.

[Broughden]

Except he's been making loads of money, getting a lot of press, and selling out concerts. Or by all means, keep talking out of your ass.

Seeling em out where? The local VFW hall or county fair?

[Amarr HM]

He's probably made a shit-ton off "Hurt" and the collaborations he does with other artists, I too have a huge amount of time for Trent Reznor at least he's not that disillusioned as to not even try in the first place. Plus perfect drug is a very awesome choon.

[stray]

NIN and Jane's Addiction just came into Austin not too long ago and sold out pretty quickly. That's a modest stadium sized show in a city that hosts just about any band there is. The fact that they even have to make their venues that big is hardly irrelevance. I've seen Snoop Dogg play in small outdoor areas behind clubs there.

Why you do guys mistake your own unawareness for someone's irrelevance? That's the real issue here. I mean, don't get me wrong.. Being unaware is not a crime. Some of the stuff you do is more than likely worth paying attention to more than what happens in music.. maybe you work a lot or you're married. But there ya go. You're finally old, ignorant, and domesticated! Weee! No really though, what the hell is relevant then? Jonas Brothers? Or some other Disney band? Or maybe what plays a lot on your local rock station -- which is more than likely about the same 4 Nickelback songs. I don't know about you, but Nickelback is so "irrelevant" that I've literally deleted people off of my FB page for liking them (cute chicks even.. I'm just that kind of equal opportunity asshole). That and Dane Cook fans.

tl;dr... Wait, nevermind.

[Azaroth]

No, YOU like Britney Spears.



Really. Come on, guys.

I don't give a shit about Trent Reznor or anything he does. That's why I made the comments I did (actually, I was mainly trolling, but..). That, and, you know, what he wrote was dumb as fuck and I felt like making fun of it.

But defend him by saying you like his music, or that his ideas are great. That's fine. Going into a tirade about how I must listen to The Jonas Brothers is pretty stupid though.

Maybe I AM old. Although I specifically remember Trent Reznor being around ten or fifteen years ago, and I thought he sucked cocks then. I've had no desire to go looking him up in 2009.

"Boy, I wonder if Dave Grohl has made any really great music lately?!"

See, not really.

[HaemishM]

So what you should have said is he's irrelevant TO YOU?

And then fucked right off and not posted in the thread because if there was one more thing most of us needed, it was another troll post.

[Azaroth]

You know what?

I don't like you internet people. You're anonymous and hurtful.

[HaemishM]

No, you. 

[WindupAtheist]

NIN devolved into self-parody eons ago. Neil Diamond sells out a lot of shows too.

[stray]

No, YOU like Britney Spears.

I didn't say you liked Britney Spears, nor was that a tirade. It was a question (albeit an extended one). I'm just asking what is relevant to you? I can't wrap my head around that. He qualifies as "relevant" in most ways a musician can anymore.

His comment wasn't stupid because here you are proving him correct. You admittedly chose to just be a troll. It's not like you have to suck our dicks or anything.. But the least you could do is find better ways to entertain yourself than fuck other people's discussions up.

[Amarr HM]

IDIOTS RULE 

[stray]

Not until we see Tubgirl. 

[Merusk]

The third album was Tomahawk finally playing up to their namesake. Which is still something special...

Special? It's goddamn awesome, but then I've always loved fusion music. Traditional tribal rhythms + rock? Yes please.  It was great when FNM used some as a basis for tracks on Angel Dust and I love the Tomahawk album even more.  Ghost Dance, Antelope Ceremony, Red Fox and Crow Dance roxxorz my boxxorz.

[stray]

Yeah, I don't mean to play it down. He just seemed to be saying it was their defining sound or something. But it's a departure from the band's typical sound.

I mean it's special though in the sense that it might be the first worthwhile fusion between Indian tribal songs and rock. Most indian bands just play the blues or some shit and say "CHEEEEROKEEE PEOPLE!!"

[Mattemeo]

Threads like this make me stop wishing there was a Music board on F13.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

Trent Reznor irrelevant?
Fantomas/Tomahawk better than FNM/Mr Bungle?

 

[Tannhauser]

Another Mike P. fan here.  I like his Mr. Bungle work, some Fantomas, haven't tried Tomahawk.  I even bought his 'voice' album.  Very glad to hear FNM is back, hopefully with a new album?  I need to scour the interwebs.

[Amarr HM]

I think Stray likes being controversial or is just getting caught up in the moment. No way in hell are either of those bands better than FNM in fact even without Mike Patton FNM were p good (Introduce Yourself). I never followed the Mr Bungle bandwagon far too pseudo intellectual for my liking.

[Sky]

Trent should start posting here. Does he really not realize most longer-lasting internet communities have basically been vetted? Go to harmony central and most people know each other there. You don't weed out the posers, but you know when a geezer member is posting and can just skip the newbs.

Lots of people use real pics and have band links in their sigs.

Patton is a lot of wasted talent. I admit I haven't heard recent stuff, but early Fantomas and Tomahawk was pretty uneven imo. I get that he's pushing things and being a non-traditional artist, and once in a blue moon that's cool. But when listening to music, I want to listen to music, not an aural art experiment. It's where bands like Mars Volta fall down, too. Some amazingly good tunes sandwiched between a lot of nonsense that's not listenable unless you're stoned or tripping.

I guess I'm glad I got out of music when I did, we would probably have ended up in that vein, since we started as thrash and moved into more progmetal type stuff.

[rattran]

Some amazingly good tunes sandwiched between a lot of nonsense that's not listenable unless you're stoned or tripping.

I didn't know Sky was my Grandad!

[stray]

No, I'm not being controversial. Yes, I like Tomahawk and Fantomas more than the older bands. Big deal. And it's not like I don't like bungle and FNM, so I don't see what anyone's bemoaning in the first place. You question my taste in music, yet I like the same bands? What is that? Anyhow, I'm just a little older than you Mattemeo (31) and just a little younger than Sky, so many of us probably grew up with similar music.

Anyways, I will especially make the case for Tomahawk. Duane Denison is already one of my favorite guitarists. Search my post history and you'll find I've mentioned him and the Lizard probably going back years here. If there's a music thread, I've mentioned the Jesus Lizard. Except in Tomahawk's case, he's got an amazing singer in Patton. David Yow was awesome, but he was also a clown. So to me, it's like having the Jesus Lizard with an even more talented clown.

[Mattemeo]

I don't know what it is, but besides loving Patton's vocals, Tomahawk just don't do enough for me - more sanitized than FNM, less idiosyncratic than Mr Bungle. I don't dislike them as a band, I just can't feel the swell of victory I can when I hear his earlier work.

That said, of the more recent Patton projects, the one I think he needs to return to with utmost urgency (besides FNM) is Lovage, his collaboration with Dan the Automator and Jennifer Charles. 'Music to Make Love to Your Old Lady By' is one of the cleverest, funniest and well put together hip-hop/trip-hop records ever made. I was hoping Peeping Tom would be somewhere in the same vein, but sadly that was some neat ideas thrown to the winds of celebrity.

[stray]

I liked Lovage when it came out, but now I've only kept around one track, and it's more Jennifer Charles' tune.

Re: Tomahawk.. I don't know what to say. To each his own. I don't know, I drive a lot.. Mit Gas is a kick ass driving album, I'll just say that.

[Amarr HM]

Well I amn't questioning your taste in music bro I really like Tomahawk too, though they sound like Aphex Twin with raucous guitars. It's probably Patton's most exciting work since Angel Dust you're entitled to your opinion but I just think you are getting a bit carried away by saying they are better than FNM but then I'm entitled to my opinion there too, it's all subjective anyway and maybe I've got rose tinted glasses when it comes to FNM.

[stray]

It has nothing to do with being carried away. You seem to think I have to be a fan of Patton simply because of Faith No More or something. Like that's the pinnacle. When it's never necessarily been the case. I've always liked him, and his older bands, but the people he works with nowadays were always more up my alley. Melvins, the Jesus Lizard, Helmet, Slayer. That's the little circle of musicians that Fantomas and Tomahawk revolves around. Not only do I like Tomahawk and Fantomas more than FNM and Bungle - I already liked the Melvins, Lizard, Helmet, and Slayer more than FNM and Bungle too. That Patton now colloborates with them is like having my cake and eating it too.

[Amarr HM]

I'd take FNM over all of those bands put together but then I have a preference for music with strong melodies so as I said it's all subjective, what I like about Tomahawk is they are tight as fuck and still have a raw energy. The carried away remark was in reference to how these bands particular lineups excite you. But great lineups don't always make great music some bands just have a good chemistry, I know this as I'm a musician myself (albeit a washed up one).

[stray]

I like melody too, but I always wished I could hear a really tight, abrasive band like Lizard or Big Black/Rapeman -- But with a properly skilled singer and slicker production. Let alone make a band like that. The minute I heard Tomahawk, I realized that's what they pulled off. I've always like rock more with that kind of attack.. although most were blues tinged (like early Danzig or AC/DC).

[Grimwell]

You do realize that this entire Patton tangent is likely a contributing factor in Trent wanting to take the anonymous out of his internet.

Which really isn't all that horrible of an idea. I'm not so sure it's disenchantment and not just enhancement.

[stray]

I'm not following...? There's nothing anonymous about me. My name is Ken. Nice to meet you.  

[Merusk]

Following Trent's whinging, it sounds like he's saying you're not qualified to derail us like this.  Get back on topic, Ken and stop being a googlethority.   Or something like that.

Which I expect. After all, Trent's kind of "non-anonymity" means F13, as a site, would be purposeless.  Instead it would be replaced by the Halcyon days of Mud_Dev where only 'Rednames' squak at each other about how brilliant/ stupid they are.   The rest of us simply don't have the credentials and can be ignored entirely.

 

[stray]

For the record, I never derailed it. You did! You mentioned Patton! You! ^_^


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Anyhow, to "rerail" it back.. The bulk of his post is more about trolls and spammers. That's what got him disenchanted, I think. Morfiend only quoted the bottom end of his post. But I don't blame him either. The guy reaches out to the internet world, and is just met with tubgirl and bullshitters. And from what I gather, he couldn't stop them. It sounded like some of the same people kept bothering him, no matter how much he tried deleting them. They apparently have nothing better to do. That, and I think because he's fell in love, is a different guy in his 40's, that some fans want to dictate who he is supposed to be, instead of he himself. Like he's supposed to always be Pretty Hate Machine instead of a simple guy enjoying life. I can imagine that he got messages everyday from some anonymous shit calling him a "sell out" or something along those lines. That shit would make me give up too. I'm not even a celebrity, but that kind of projecting and authority shit, just on a normal everyday joe level, is guaranteed to get me dropping "friends" and such. If I had to see it at his level, I'd do my best to get away from the things that contribute to it too. In his case, his social networking pages.