Borderlands

[bhodi]

In case you were thinking of trying to fix your tab out general protection fault issues with video driver upgrade, like me, DON'T.

http://www.gamingnewslink.com/2009/10/26/fixes-for-borderlands-crashes-bugs-freezes-sound-and-install-errors/

Problem #3 [IMPORTANT! ] Borderlands(PC) Nvidia Problem (crash, freeze
or it may not run at all)
Note : Do not update to yur Nvidia drivers 191.xx yet. As of this
posting, the 191.xx drivers released are unstable and rendered some
systems unusable (link). If you need to update your video card to a
later version, make sure that it’s earlier than the 191.xx. (Just in
case i forget to remove this note after Nvidia fixes this issue, check
this post’s creation date >> date posted october 26, 2009)

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winxp_191.07_whql.html

[Venkman]

Played a few hours last night. I loved the opening sequence between the visuals and the song. Game started a bit slow for my though. As everyone mentioned, the UI sucks but it is servicable. I really like the graphics and the humor. I don't know why this couldn't just be post apoc generic-anywhere Earth instead of an alien planet, but that's just a bias for Fallout.

The part I'm still not sure on is the combat. I'm very heavily biased towards actual FPSes at the moment. So I keep wanting an FPS when I'm getting something more akin to L4D. And that didn't hold my interest for long. The weapons and ammo seemed too balanced towards the scripted encounters and level design. For me there is such a thing as too good, because then it feels too contrived.

I still appreciate the idea of a shooter/RPG hybrid, but the type of hybrid I like most is an FPS with levels and unlocks. I'm not sold on twitchy dice rolls, particularly when a headshot doesn't result in a one-shot (though at least Borderlands guarantees a crit), there's no crouch/lean, and no run-and-gunning.

Looking forward to tomorrow night, or whenever a group can get together.

[Rendakor]

Are there respecs?

[AutomaticZen]

I still appreciate the idea of a shooter/RPG hybrid, but the type of hybrid I like most is an FPS with levels and unlocks. I'm not sold on twitchy dice rolls, particularly when a headshot doesn't result in a one-shot (though at least Borderlands guarantees a crit), there's no crouch/lean, and no run-and-gunning.

Get the right gun.  My beautiful revolver and sniper rifle one-shot most enemies on crit.  Bruisers and Badass mobs are outside of this rule.  Those fuckers can take vehicle rockets and keep going, and yet if you nudge them with a vehicle they explode in a shower of bloody confetti.

Crouch is C, though there is no lean.

Are there respecs?

Yes, you can pay for a respec.

[Segoris]

Played a few hours last night. I loved the opening sequence between the visuals and the song.

there's no crouch/lean, and no run-and-gunning.

Yeah, I'm liking the music and am happy Cage the Elephant got on this title as it will be really good for them. Fun band live (band that did the opening scene's song "Ain't No Rest for the Wicked").

Also, C to crouch. Edit: Though with low weapon skill, I don't know if crouching does anything for aim yet (it didn't do much for me when I tried it, maybe it gets better with proficiency).

[Segoris]

Those fuckers can take vehicle rockets and keep going, and yet if you nudge them with a vehicle they explode in a shower of bloody confetti.

I noticed that as well and that kind of bugged me. 5 rocket direct hits? No problem they keep charging! Tap into them while barely moving in the vehicle? ZOMGSPLOSIONS! It made farming in the vehicle a bit easy, yet fun since each mob has a point value already (xp points). Best of all, most are worth more points then senior citizens!

[AcidCat]

  It simply feels like a console game. 

It is!

I know everyone was thinking - FPS, well, naturally it will be better on PC!

The game feels right at home on the 360 played with a controller.

[Murgos]

The weapons and ammo seemed too balanced towards the scripted encounters and level design. For me there is such a thing as too good, because then it feels too contrived.

I haven't played much yet, but I don't see this.  Are you sure you didn't just get a lucky drop from the RNG?  I'm actually having the opposite experience where all my good drops are pistols and sniper rifles when what I want are assault rifles.  I think the RNG does drop ammo according to what you have used recently though.

I'm not sold on twitchy dice rolls, particularly when a headshot doesn't result in a one-shot (though at least Borderlands guarantees a crit), there's no crouch/lean, and no run-and-gunning.

People get shot in the head and live, it does happen.  Crouch is C, and I have no idea what 'no run-and-gunning' means because you can certainly run and shoot at the same time.

[Draegan]

I've gotten to level 8 without seeing one rifle.

[Venkman]

I agree with Hawkbit that this feels like a console game. I just hate playing this kind of game with a controller though.

I got my first rifle from, err, I think one of the crates around nine-toes? I'm the kind of guy that doesn't leave an area until everything is turned over/opened/broken though. Or maybe I just got lucky.

The weapons and ammo seemed too balanced towards the scripted encounters and level design. For me there is such a thing as too good, because then it feels too contrived.

I haven't played much yet, but I don't see this.  Are you sure you didn't just get a lucky drop from the RNG?  I'm actually having the opposite experience where all my good drops are pistols and sniper rifles when what I want are assault rifles.  I think the RNG does drop ammo according to what you have used recently though.

To clarify: the quote you extracted was from my impression of L4D. I haven't seen this in Borderlands either. It doesn't feel nearly as contrived.

I'm not sold on twitchy dice rolls, particularly when a headshot doesn't result in a one-shot (though at least Borderlands guarantees a crit), there's no crouch/lean, and no run-and-gunning.

People get shot in the head and live, it does happen.  Crouch is C, and I have no idea what 'no run-and-gunning' means because you can certainly run and shoot at the same time.

With the sniper rifle I've been able to one shot some of the younger skag things. Can't do the humans though I do always crit. My basis of comparison is CoD4. If I've got a solid beed on someone's head, unless they've got some crazy bulletproof cowl, they're dead. And yea, I crouch all the time. I'm embarassed by the number of people who thought I wouldn't be doing that. Total MMO typecasting

I can run and gun, but I haven't seen that this has any benefit. So far I've had just as much success (sometimes more) just shooting them down before they do me. This was just my first impression though from a few hours in. I imagine that's not going to work later on (and certainly didn't work the first time I tried nine-toes and his two dogs)

[OcellotJenkins]

Since I've just been solo so far, I'm curious how the looting is working out for you guys in multiplayer (particularly in public games with none of your buddies).  It seems to me, with so much crap on the ground to pick up that this would be a haven for loot whores.  This would be especially bad for people standing back playing support roles, as they might never even see guns on the ground before their picked up.  How is that working out?

[sigil]

  It simply feels like a console game. 

It is!

I know everyone was thinking - FPS, well, naturally it will be better on PC!

The game feels right at home on the 360 played with a controller.

pc with 360 controller works really well for me

[Malakili]

  It simply feels like a console game. 

It is!

I know everyone was thinking - FPS, well, naturally it will be better on PC!

The game feels right at home on the 360 played with a controller.

The game might feel at home with a 360 controller, but I feel like I'm in a foreign country that speaks a language I've never even heard spoken before.

[Le0]

This game looks the shit, but I've already pre-ordered Torchlight that is going to be playable tomorow so I guess I'll take this later on.

[AutomaticZen]

I can run and gun, but I haven't seen that this has any benefit. So far I've had just as much success (sometimes more) just shooting them down before they do me. This was just my first impression though from a few hours in. I imagine that's not going to work later on (and certainly didn't work the first time I tried nine-toes and his two dogs)

Badass mobs will teach you some respect!

Since I've just been solo so far, I'm curious how the looting is working out for you guys in multiplayer (particularly in public games with none of your buddies).  It seems to me, with so much crap on the ground to pick up that this would be a haven for loot whores.  This would be especially bad for people standing back playing support roles, as they might never even see guns on the ground before their picked up.  How is that working out?

In our game, Hat was picking up guns and shit like it was no tomorrow (they really need to add the ability to drop ammo, btw) but he was also very good about dropping it if it was an upgrade or someone else's primary weapon.  The inventory is also limited.

Best bet:  Only multiplayer with people you know.  Not that I have a choice.  Opening the 'Join Game' menu freezes the game.

[Jherad]

Get torn up by the bigger groups of dog things more than the badass humanoids, but yeah - definitely can't kill everything before it gets to me now. I tend to start with my scoped combat rifle, then change to my shotty or SMG while strafing around my turret. Annoyingly, repeated jumping helps against the largest of the charging dogs 

[MrHat]

So glad I'm not the only one who felt the mouse was a bit wonky.

I'll throw that .ini smoothing thing on this afternoon and try again.

Impressions: Damn fun, but doesn't run well on a MacBook w/ 9400M.  Just a heads up :)

[fuser]

Played in a sitting with a friend for about 7hrs last night on a personal vent. No crashes, no slowdowns, no glitches, no disconnections, no huge memory leaks. The *only* issue we encountered was one car getting stuck in geometry and a gamespy warning "you have been logged in at a different location" but didn't effect gameplay. Played using gamespy matchup and both port forwarded and had zero network issues, it just worked. Saying that not using upnp is silly. Console menus are horrible. I find it really concerning that they lock out "wasd" while at a quest and expect you to use it for menu choices when you have a perfectly good dpad or mouse. Having to tweek the ini files is just silly, turning vsync on got rid of huge amounts of screen issues and FOV change (playing at 90) is so needed for play. The animation effects of phasewalk and run seem to be off tho due to the new FOV which is bad  

Oh well the menus and other minor gripes the co-op gameplay makes up for it, well worth the 4pack price.

[OcellotJenkins]

Impressions: Damn fun, but doesn't run well on a MacBook w/ 9400M.  Just a heads up :)

Can you elaborate on what problems you are having?  I'm running it on a MacBook Pro w/ 9600M (Win7/64) and it is smooth with the exception of occasional horizontal lines that move vertically up the screen.  I was hoping maybe the vsync twink would fix that but haven't tried it yet.

Will be trying it on a 3 year old iMac tonight.   

[Nija]

I'm enjoying this so far. I've skillfully avoided all the issues that seem to be common so far.

Level 20 support soldier - GSID is Nijasan

[schild]

When I left my game last night I had like 30 messages asking me for my gamespy ID.

I'll say it here since I didn't respond to everyone:

I do not remember and do not care to look up or find my gamespy ID. Not having 4 player MP is not going to hamper my enjoyment of the game even one tiny bit. When Gearbox gets off their ass and shoehorns in some reasonable multiplayer system, I will then consider playing 4 player online.

[Nija]

schild you're the nerdy gamer version of a militant lesbian.

[schild]

I'm trying to parse what the hell that means but I don't get it. It seems like a pretty cut and dry way of saying "Gamespy sucks and I'm not using it."

[Hoax]

I'm enjoying this so far. I've skillfully avoided all the issues that seem to be common so far.

Level 20 support soldier - GSID is Nijasan

Finally someone who posts a GSID!

[Nija]

You have your issues and you really care about about them and you think others should care about them but they don't.

All black and white, 100% or 0%, no middle ground.

[schild]

You have your issues and you really care about about them and you think others should care about them but they don't.

All black and white, 100% or 0%, no middle ground.

Where did I say I think other people should care about it?

Did you read between the lines and find somewhere that I was asking people to start some sort of protest about Gamespy because it's an issue I care about or something? Because I wasn't, and you're crazy.

[Segoris]

I'm enjoying this so far. I've skillfully avoided all the issues that seem to be common so far.

Level 20 support soldier - GSID is Nijasan

Finally someone who posts a GSID!

I think there were a few more previously posted in the last page or two as well as in the Pandora's gun thread. Anyways, throwing mine into the bag. GSID = Segoris

[caladein]

Quick multiplayer notes:

Ammo not auto-splitting or having some "filtering" kinda sucks.  It's not much of a problem when everyone goes "I am using this gun/ammo type only." but if there's any overlap I think you'll run into problems.  (This came up when I was playing with Hoax for a bit and he ran out of sniper ammo since we were both using it.)

Inviting Hoax into a game just "worked".  I didn't have to do anything special with my router or sacrifice a baby.  Once you're past the initial "what's your Gamespy ID?" phase with your friends, it's all gravy.

Also, I should see about getting one of these guns 3D printed and using it on the people that forget that turning on too many kitchen appliances makes my room's power go boom .  (Sorry Hoax, and thanks for the guns.)

[WayAbvPar]

GSID- wayabvpar

Have a 12 soldier and a hunter around the same (I was so tired when I finally went to bed last night I honestly can't remember what level I was!). Will try out berserker and siren today. Always up for MP, so invites are welcome; if I don't join it is because I am already in a MP game.

schild, I loathe gamespy as much as the next guy, but for private games it is pretty much invisible.

[schild]

I just really wish that Valve had the muscle to say "If your AAA multiplayer game is going to be on Steam, you MUST use our tech for MP, it's fucking free and better than everything else."

[Yegolev]

Editing My Documents > MyGames> Borderlands > WillowGame > WillowEngine.ini

And changed the section FullScreenMovie to:

[FullScreenMovie]
SkippableMovies=2K_logo
SkippableMovies=Gearbox_logo
SkippableMovies=Attract
SkippableMovies=NVidia

To get rid of all the stupid movies

I O U 1 BEER

[AutomaticZen]

I'm pretty sure I posted mine before for just to reiterate:

GSID: Automaticzen

I'll be playing tonight.  If I don't answer an invite, it's because I'm in a game already.

[Yegolev]

Are there respecs?

You buy them with monies at the place where you change your colors.

I have played the 360 version and the PC version.  The executive summary is that I prefer the PC version by a long shot because the gameplay is better.  I can't hit shit using the gamepad, but I only got to about lv 4 on the 360.

Now, the menus work on the 360 while the PC menus are worse than Dead Space, but I don't spend enough time in the menus to develop a hatred.  Scoped pistol + mouse = headshot on PC, which is pretty much what anyone expected.  I think this game is great and I believe I made the right platform choice.

I'll still be getting Torchlight.  I mean... really.

There was a sniper rifle in Fatty Roman's store as soon as it opened by the grenade-quest.  Let's not get into that tired old "the random number generator is broken" discussion.  I bought a nice pistol instead.

[Draegan]

I get messages that store inventories have been updated.  Which I thought was nice.

[rattran]

GSID is Rattran, I have a 19 soldier, and will be starting up a hunter to see how that goes.

Shotguns with a decent accuracy are the best thing I've found in the game, 38x11 at 72% acc blows up alpha dogs with a head shot. Also, the vehicles runover damage scales with you level, but still allows you to continually bump guys 8 levels over you. Nice for assploding level 15s for massive xp and drops at 7.

And explosive sniper rifles a just fun.