"Oh btw, FFXIV Online in 2010"

[Lantyssa]

I wouldn't call it polished so much as pretty.  Polish implies refinement of some systems.

[Segoris]

Maybe it's just me but I still think polished works in this case since the shitty systems and features were actually intended to work how they do and then polished to their state. They weren't systems that simply are not working as intended like we're used to seeing.

Is anyone actually surprised?

Not at all, and yet I still can't hit that cancel button on my preorder knowing what I know and having tried it. I'm weak when it comes to FF titles

[tmp]

Heh, it seems there isn't just 2 day cooldown on the quests for individual professions but also a cap on how many quests total you can take, across multiple professions. My journal is empty but when i try to get another crafting quest i get "You cannot be issued any more local levequests at this time."  Of course, without any additional explanation.

Yo dawg, we heard you like cockblocks... 

[Lantyssa]

Eight leave quests per 48 hours.  Hope you didn't decide to turn in multiple ones to score a higher reward on one of your new ones, 'cause that just counted as one each.

[Mrbloodworth]

I find it extremely stupid that the game doesn't save and auto-equip the actions you had equipped on the last job, and that your forced to do it manually every time. Gear, actions, traits ETC.. Manually, every time. "Instantly switch classes" my ass. and no, I will not use a macro. I'm not sure I have seen a game go from rather fun (intro) to wtf? so fast. I find it a bit disparaging that they will charge a monthly fee and tell you how long you may play for during that month.

Also, Where is any other content other than the main line (that drops off) and Guildleaves?

Anyone? Bueller?

[ghost]

Well, you do get the first month free. 

[Dtrain]

You get to grind on the same 4 mobs (or switch zones and grind on the same 3 mobs, plus 1 new one,) until you reach level 10 in your profession, at which point the game kicks in another meta-quest. If you've made it this far you should be thoroughly lobotomized and all the content you need is to stare at the pretty colors.

It boggles my mind what this game is, compared to what I had hoped it would be. I just... I don't have the words. Does anyone find this fun? Is this the kind of MMO gameplay that sells in Japan maybe? I just can't explain it.

[Velorath]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

[tmp]

In the end, Final Fantasy XIV is a game best appreciated by gaming connoisseurs: those who have a taste for fine quality in the details of their games, to the point where they're willing to overlook the kinds of flaws remaining as trivial in comparison to what is being delivered.

I'm rather curious what he thinks it is that's being delivered.

[Hawkbit]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

I think that defensive tactic is used once one realizes the window for "It's still in beta" is shrinking. 

Stage 2 of the fanboy defense mechanism. 

[Malakili]

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/290005/Ridiculously-Experienced-Gamers-First-Day-1012-hours-Verdict.html

The grind has definite breadth: it does not assume you loathe playing the game.

That really says so much about the current state of the MMO industry.

[Rasix]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

My first thought upon seeing the title of the link, "who the fuck wrote something like that, Geldon?".  

And then I clicked..   Damn you, Vel.

[ghost]

I'm glad I cancelled this.

[Lantyssa]

My first thought upon seeing the title of the link, "who the fuck wrote something like that, Geldon?".  

If that isn't a ringing endorsement to stay as far away as possible I don't know what is.

[Velorath]

My first thought upon seeing the title of the link, "who the fuck wrote something like that, Geldon?".  

If that isn't a ringing endorsement to stay as far away as possible I don't know what is.

Come on, this is practically what he said about Vanguard (in fact if you remove the stuff about the gamepad and Japanese text, replace Final Fantasy XIV with Vanguard and Final Fantasy XI with Everquest, you've pretty much recreated his posts from years back).  That game turned out pretty well, right guys?

[Lakov_Sanite]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

My first thought upon seeing the title of the link, "who the fuck wrote something like that, Geldon?".  

And then I clicked..   Damn you, Vel.

Oh god, I thought you were joking.

[Margalis]

I find it extremely stupid that the game doesn't save and auto-equip the actions you had equipped on the last job, and that your forced to do it manually every time.

Can you set up a macro for it? Just a thought.

[Falconeer]

I canceled my preorder based on UI lag alone. It's disgusting.

[Falwell]

I canceled my pre-order based on self respect.

It's a game that has it's head firmly up the ass of the year 1999 in all the wrong ways. FF die hards and those entranced by, admittedly, fantastic visuals are the only ones who need apply.

[Simond]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

My first thought upon seeing the title of the link, "who the fuck wrote something like that, Geldon?".  

And then I clicked..   Damn you, Vel.

Oh god, I thought you were joking.

Quick, someone who has a muhmorpuhguhdotcom login, post in that thread and ask him how Vanguard is working out for him.

[Mrbloodworth]

I find it extremely stupid that the game doesn't save and auto-equip the actions you had equipped on the last job, and that your forced to do it manually every time.

Can you set up a macro for it? Just a thought.

[Rendakor]

Eight leave quests per 48 hours.  Hope you didn't decide to turn in multiple ones to score a higher reward on one of your new ones, 'cause that just counted as one each.

There actually is* a workaround for that...kinda. The cap is 8 leves in your journal at a time; leves count if they're in progress, failed, completed, whatever. Say you're getting levequests and the guy is offering you 3 for one area. What you do is, accept 2 and turn in as many of your old ones as you can. Go do those two, then pick up the third one and turn in the other 2. This frees up your journal and only leaves one spot taken, instead of 3. Of course this requires more running back and forth, but it's a possibility.

Disclaimer: I haven't played since Beta 2 so no idea if they've fixed/nerfed this yet.

[Segoris]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

The comments are equally awesome. Stereotypical Geldon posts (straw man arguments, being arrogant and insulting followed by attempting to back track and convince people he wasn't being arrogant and insulting while he is still being arrogant and insulting in his backtracking, etc) only this time he's finally found the one set of forums that are dumb enough (for the most part of the responses there) to  actually listen and agree with him.

[Velorath]

We just aren't sophisticated enough to enjoy this game.

The comments are equally awesome. Stereotypical Geldon posts (straw man arguments, being arrogant and insulting followed by attempting to back track and convince people he wasn't being arrogant and insulting while he is still being arrogant and insulting in his backtracking, etc) only this time he's finally found the one set of forums that are dumb enough (for the most part of the responses there) to  actually listen and agree with him.

I think that has to do more with the FF name and Square than it does with the forums.  I've seen some pretty big defenders of FFXIV on multiple forums, and I'm sure the ones at MMORPG.com are just backing Geldon simply because he likes the game.  Mind you, very few of them can actually express what they find so good about the game, aside from the "Santa Claus is real guys!" comments about how Square isn't like other MMO devs and they're holding back all kindsa super sekret content which I'm sure will work perfectly without any testing.  Most can only explain why the numerous problems with the game aren't really as bad as we all think they are.

[Mrbloodworth]

It goes from zero to cockblock faster than any game ever, has a horrible UI, they won’t enable hardware mouse for some reason, even though it just needs to be set to true. There is no content in the game other than 8 daily mob kill quests that are on a 48 hour timer. Crafting is ok, but ill be dammed if ill play a game in 2010 that will not even tell you the recipes you already know. You have to re-equip every item of gear, abilities, traits and talents if you switch classes “Instantly” (what a joke). A game in 2010 that requires macros to remove or overcome horrible horrible time wasting GUI’s or lack or a sensible class switching system is just plain clownshoes.

This is not a hardcore game; this is a badly designed grind fest where the fun stops as soon as you leave the city gate.

Unless something drastic changes before OB ends... This one goes on my very short list of "No redeeming value".

[tmp]

just plain clownshoes.

That's unfair, i think. They put enough effort in crafting their cockblocks to make it a pair of clownshoes +1, at least.

(most current example, retainers. You can hire NPC to act as personal shop to peddle your goods. Once you set it up though, you cannot check the state of your retainer remotely beyond a small reminded where you put them. You can't even summon the retainer to any of (few) designed places where it's possible. You have to go in person to the spot you set it up, and manually cancel the vendor function. Same for retrieving the money gained, or to restock, etc. Oh yeah, that reminds me, doesn't seem to be a mail system anywhere, too?)

[Mrbloodworth]

Its pretty, its Final Fantasy. That's about it. I would have expected so much more from this series. Especially as this is round two for them.

Also, EQ2 Graphic techniques FTW.

[Numtini]

When I gave up on figuring out how to kill the dogs, I went back to play World of Tanks and it occurs to me that both of these are in beta. One feels modern, well functioning, and complete. The other looks like a bad alpha that I should come back to and test in six months when it's playable.

The notion that this game ships in two weeks makes me want to break out laughing. It's some kind of joke.

[Ingmar]

Even Bloodworth hates this game, and Bloodworth can find something to like about just about *any* MMO. That says a lot I think.

[tmp]

Can't help but notice game missed golden opportunity for one another step on the balls; there's obvious lack of server cap on available amount of catgirls.

[koro]

... they won’t enable hardware mouse for some reason...

Not just that, but fanpatches that enable hardware mouse get broken every time Square updates.

But yeah, I tried this for about four hours over the span of last night and this afternoon. The UI is bloated, confusing, laggy, and labyrinthine at times. Status effect icons are lifted directly from FFXI without even a graphical pass, so they're large and blurry. Combat is incredibly boring, and the controls, while passable with a gamepad are pretty awful with KBAM. There is little to no context help anywhere that gives you a hint as to what anything does, which is inex-fucking-cusable in a game where you must manually raise your attributes with a limited pool of points (and as a hint, information being buried in a .pdf manual which is itself buried somewhere in a beta site is not an adequate solution). Plus it runs like dogshit, even with everything set to low and my resolution at 1152x864; on a PC that can run Crysis at medium-high settings at 40+ FPS, this is also inexcusable. And then it crashes every 15-20 minutes, guaranteed. I haven't even tried the gathering/crafting classes due to the game not even attempting to give me any real incentive to, not to mention the lack of a readily-accessible guide on how to change classes.

There are very few MMOs I am unable to find any fun in whatsoever (I even had a good time during the fucking horrendous Horizons beta for chrissakes). This is one of those few.

That's right, I think this game is worse than Horizons.

[tmp]

not to mention the lack of a readily-accessible guide on how to change classes.

Well, this is one thing that they made relatively simple. You buy a tool associated with the class (starter tools are available from various vendors) and equip it and that's it, your class is changed.

Of course, just equipping an item requires navigation through something like three different menus but that's another story.

[Shatter]

Even Bloodworth hates this game, and Bloodworth can find something to like about just about *any* MMO. That says a lot I think.

Yes, and sometimes he likes a game too much *APB FACE PUNCH*

but we lubs him

[Rasix]

Even Bloodworth hates this game, and Bloodworth can find something to like about just about *any* MMO. That says a lot I think.

Yes, but does it pass the "Cheddar" test?

[Lantyssa]

Well, this is one thing that they made relatively simple. You buy a tool associated with the class (starter tools are available from various vendors) and equip it and that's it, your class is changed.

Of course, just equipping an item requires navigation through something like three different menus but that's another story.

Also hope it's not a profession that uses an item in the off hand.