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I bought a Chinese adaptor back in 2003 just to use my PS2 controller with FFXI on the PC. It wasn't an option for me, I was hating the game and it screamed of console controller. So I got the adaptor, and it was like 10 times better. Too bad there were so many other unbearable flaws.
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If memory serves, FFXI was designed for the PS2 and ported to PC later on and thus the control scheme was sorta "fixed tot he controller."
Without coming in shouting distance of the NDA, I can say that the UI and Controls are supposedly completely revamped from alpha to beta - revealed at E3 and in a few press releases via ZAM, etc.
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Draegan
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Link the releases pleaz.
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01101010
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Wow, if those links aren't bogus, that's a full three months sooner than I expected it to launch. That's almost too soon to even get properly frothy about it.
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Shatter
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Wow, if those links aren't bogus, that's a full three months sooner than I expected it to launch. That's almost too soon to even get properly frothy about it.
Well except for the PS3 version lol |
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01101010
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You forgot the  Unless you were actually serious. But trusting amazon? really? Unless SE has changed up their timetables for beta which was suggested as at least 4 months - more like 6, then there is no way they hit that date. Beta has not even started.... |
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Beta has not even started....
This video would imply otherwise... |
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01101010
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Beta has not even started....
This video would imply otherwise... I stand by my statement and will say no more. |
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You forgot the Unless you were actually serious. But trusting amazon? really? Unless SE has changed up their timetables for beta which was suggested as at least 4 months - more like 6, then there is no way they hit that date. Beta has not even started.... Most of the news sites are reporting these release dates also. Apparently the Collector's Edition comes out 8 days before the regular version, hence the two different PC release dates. |
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Beta has not even started....
This video would imply otherwise... That combat looks utterly terrible. I've been keeping out of the videos for this game to keep from being spoiled, but that is some craptastic looking combat. I think I fell asleep watching the fight. |
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Draegan
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Beta has not even started....
This video would imply otherwise... That's the beta client, but that doesn't mean that beta testing has begun with the Public. |
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That combat looks utterly terrible. I've been keeping out of the videos for this game to keep from being spoiled, but that is some craptastic looking combat. I think I fell asleep watching the fight.
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This game is doomed.
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LK
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That's really, really soon.
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01101010
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This game is doomed.
As dear as SE is to me for getting me involved in my first MMORPG, I have to say I agree with you. Even if they start closed beta today and run it for two months into the beginning of Sept and then open beta for two weeks, it seems extremely rushed. I would have thought better of them about a beta process. That said, it would not surprise me in the least if SE had already been internally super sekret beta testing the game - and providing "alpha" as their network/server load test, considering the gameplay was less than expected (read: trainwreck in slowmotion). I am hoping its that... but kinda makes me feel duped. Oh well, I stand corrected. Seems we are due yet another rushed release - I really should learn by now. |
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I never played FFXI but the impression I get is it had a pretty shitty ui/interface/controls and that FFXIV is essentially the same. So, just how bad is it? What I read was that you almost have to play with a controller over mouse/keyboard? I'd like to pre-order this and play it come September but this is my one sticking point so any input is appreciated.
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Reg
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I played it on the PC and once I got used to it didn't really have a problem with it.
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01101010
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I never played FFXI but the impression I get is it had a pretty shitty ui/interface/controls and that FFXIV is essentially the same. So, just how bad is it? What I read was that you almost have to play with a controller over mouse/keyboard? I'd like to pre-order this and play it come September but this is my one sticking point so any input is appreciated.
I'll let you know when the NDA falls. |
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Shatter
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I never played FFXI but the impression I get is it had a pretty shitty ui/interface/controls and that FFXIV is essentially the same. So, just how bad is it? What I read was that you almost have to play with a controller over mouse/keyboard? I'd like to pre-order this and play it come September but this is my one sticking point so any input is appreciated.
I'll let you know when the NDA falls. Can still talk about how the FFXI controls are :) |
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01101010
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I never played FFXI but the impression I get is it had a pretty shitty ui/interface/controls and that FFXIV is essentially the same. So, just how bad is it? What I read was that you almost have to play with a controller over mouse/keyboard? I'd like to pre-order this and play it come September but this is my one sticking point so any input is appreciated.
I'll let you know when the NDA falls. Can still talk about how the FFXI controls are :) Those controls are very cumbersome until you become used to them. Not surprisingly given its PS2 beginnings. That said, playing with a controller is much more "comfortable" and the speed of the game itself allows time to scroll throw countless macros and menus to pick the correct action. |
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I never had a problem with the FFXI controls, there were actually parts of it that I found rather helpful. It did, however, require a very different approach and moving from it to anything else was difficult.
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Shatter
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So is it in fact easier to play FFXI with a controller vs a kb/mouse? Also, what controller would be best? I would assume getting a PS3 style controller since it is coming out for PS3 next year?
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I used a 360 controller for FFXI, as unlike PS2 controllers, 360 controllers come with USB connectors and good driver support from MS. I don't own a 360, but definitely have to give them credit for what in my opinion is the best gamepad controller for the PC. Additionally, with all of the games that are co-developed for 360 and PC, most of the PC versions have native support for the 360 controller layout.
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So is it in fact easier to play FFXI with a controller vs a kb/mouse? Also, what controller would be best? I would assume getting a PS3 style controller since it is coming out for PS3 next year?
It's actually easier to play with a keyboard after you install some extra UI software (windower) that allows for macros to help you navigate through menus faster. Essentially you are playing with WASD + IJKL. WASD to move your character, IJKL to control the camera. You then have to set macros for any key to cast spells, other wise you have to maneuver through menus to find abilities like any other FF game. That's the jist of it anyway. I never got far into the game because it was annoying. You never used the mouse. Another pet peeve I had with the game was that you had to go into "combat mode" every time you wanted to attack something and that was another second and a half delay as you waited for your character to unsheath a weapon, stand there, then engage. Made grinding mobs annoying. |
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Numtini
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They key was not to use the mouse. I think you could move the camera to the numpad? It's been a few years. And you had to set up macros for abilities or spells, which from memory were control number keys. Target using tab, then hit the macros.
Since it was a dangerous world for travel with a harsh death penalty, I actually found moving the camera around separate from your direction to be pretty useful as compared to the normal controls of the time. And it was slow paced, so not using a mouse really wasn't a huge issue on moving and turning and all that.
I really don't know how I'll feel about a similar interface X years later. FFXI is really EQ generation, games move a lot faster these days.
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Draegan
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Oh right, the targeting was terrible also. I got frustrated having to cycle through 5 mobs to get to the one I want standing infront of me. Especially in cities and towns. Maybe there was a different way of doing things.
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Rendakor
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I really hope they change all of that for FFXIV; I forgot you couldn't use the mouse for camera control (or anything, really).
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LK
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I'm tempted to buy the Collector's Edition just to give this game a shot. I dunno. The only reason I wouldn't pick this up Day One is overwhelming cynicism for MMOs.
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Reg
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I wonder if they'll make their lowbies dress up in leather bondage gear and a beret like we did in FFXI.
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Draegan
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I'm tempted to buy the Collector's Edition just to give this game a shot. I dunno. The only reason I wouldn't pick this up Day One is overwhelming cynicism for MMOs.
If you didn't like FFXI then I wouldn't buy this day one. I'd wait for reviews. |
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