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Reply #630 on: December 05, 2010, 01:00:31 PM

It's scheduled to happen next week or so if i'm not mistaken.
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Reply #631 on: December 05, 2010, 01:50:30 PM

What is a softwipe? Reset all exp?

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Reply #632 on: December 05, 2010, 01:59:52 PM

Not sure; from how people talk about it that seems to be reset of research you've done but getting the xp you've gained back in the research pool. You also get to keep your credits but lose all your tanks and such (except for the starter tanks)
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Reply #633 on: December 05, 2010, 02:16:05 PM

Do you get a refund for your tanks? Cuz lord knows I have some pricy tanks in my line up that I'll need to sell if they aren't doing some form of refund (even resale value would be fine by me).

FYI, the T-34-58 or whatever its called is a paper tank! Something like 40/40/40 armor all around! Even the Panzer IV has heavier frontal armor. The turret's a bit better, but man. It has a very decent gun, but god help you if you are in a high tier match.

I'm still in love with the IS. I'm having such good games with it I'm actually worried that the IS-3 is going to be a major disappointment by comparison. I probably won't get to the IS3 before the softwipe.

I'm unsure what to get for the softwipe. I think I will not be doing TDs. Although the Ferdy can be satisfying for its ability to hit just about anything hard, the inability to get out of harm's way is probably more nerve wracking than being a spotted SPG. Maybe a top tier US heavy or an IS4.

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Reply #634 on: December 05, 2010, 02:18:24 PM

"Soft wipe when the Euro server-cluster goes online in early-mid December" (i.e. any time now).

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Reply #635 on: December 05, 2010, 03:40:55 PM

I'm still in love with the IS. I'm having such good games with it I'm actually worried that the IS-3 is going to be a major disappointment by comparison. I probably won't get to the IS3 before the softwipe.
IS line is supposedly crazy good all way to tier 10. Russian tanks being better than everything else in a russian-made game, who would've thought?
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Reply #636 on: December 05, 2010, 04:35:41 PM

Do you get a refund for your tanks? Cuz lord knows I have some pricy tanks in my line up that I'll need to sell if they aren't doing some form of refund (even resale value would be fine by me).


If it's the same as last time you'll get a full purchase price refund for any tanks (so don't sell them) and a refund of all modules. So if you have extra cash, now is a good time to try out some modules to see if you like them/can tell a difference. You'll get a gold refund of things like premium tanks and garage/barracks slots.
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Reply #637 on: December 05, 2010, 05:05:13 PM

IS line is supposedly crazy good all way to tier 10. Russian tanks being better than everything else in a russian-made game, who would've thought?


Don't agree US tanks are pretty sweet atm, I used to think the IS-4 was overpowered but I never bounce shots off them anymore now I know where to hit, VK4502s are a lot harder to penetrate for me atm

T29 = Tiger
T32 > IS-3
T23 > T-44
Maus = IS-7
VK4502 = IS-4


Each have their strengths and weaknesses.

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Reply #638 on: December 05, 2010, 06:52:19 PM

Don't agree US tanks are pretty sweet atm, I used to think the IS-4 was overpowered but I never bounce shots off them anymore now I know where to hit, VK4502s are a lot harder to penetrate for me atm

T29 = Tiger
T32 > IS-3
T23 > T-44
Maus = IS-7
VK4502 = IS-4

Each have their strengths and weaknesses.
American heavies tier 7+ have supposedly 20% more armour than stated/intended and that's being "fixed" next patch, IS-4 is getting thicker frontal armour in the same patch. Maus is definitely not on par with IS-7 nor the american tier 10, even one of the devs has acknowledged that.

I have also no idea why you'd have more trouble penetrating VK than IS-4 when IS has 60 mm more armour on the sides and 20 mm more on the back, and it seems quite more sloped on the IS... put it differently, IS-4 is a tank for which i have to break out HE ammo with vk36. vk45 meanwhile eats regular shells like anything else.
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Reply #639 on: December 06, 2010, 01:53:49 AM

T23>T-44? I've seen a lot of complaining that the American mediums are all garbage.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Reply #640 on: December 06, 2010, 06:15:26 AM

I'm still in love with the IS. I'm having such good games with it I'm actually worried that the IS-3 is going to be a major disappointment by comparison. I probably won't get to the IS3 before the softwipe.

I didn't fully upgrade the IS,  I only added the 122mm before upgrading to the IS-3 as I had a lot of free xp. However, the IS-3 is significantly better than my previous IS. In fact, it was the only tank I've had so far that kicked arse with the default version, it's even quite fast. There's been a few games where Ive been the highest tier in a match, and shells were plinking off me like rain off a verandah roof.  It's great.
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Reply #641 on: December 06, 2010, 03:51:26 PM

^^ This
IS-3 is worlds better than IS, and when you finally get the BL-9 it's just sweet, sweet love.

But Amarr.....seriously. Even mentioning the Maus and IS-7 together is......it's just wrong. One is a giant rolling pillbox, the other is a deadly fast, killing machone of ultimate death and destruction.
And the vk45 is a joke, UNLESS you meet it face on. Which is really easy to avoid since the poor thing has its turret on the back of the hull. Smart move Engies....good call there.  swamp poop
Yes, it has a decent enough gun for a German tank, but not quite good enough. 20 less damage than IS-4's, .01 more precise and faster aim. RoF about the same. But it doesn't really matter cause you HAVE to expose the whole bloody thing when "peaking" around corners....unless you back out....which isn't quite smart. Not gonna go past Tiger II ever as long as IS' are as good as they are.

Soft wipe, if done same way as last time, will refund your tanks fully. Meaning , you get buy-price back for them, modules included. All XP is reset as free-xp for you to play with  awesome, for real

The t34-85 is indeed made of paper. T-43 doesn't feel much better, i'll tell you that much. Think i've dinged like two incoming shots in 56 matches.

Not sure what to do for soft-wipe myself. Not gonna go russian since i have that covered on RU-account. Finally got the ISU-152, and let me tell you. 18 deg/sec traverse on stock-tracks is a royal pain. Thank god i had top engine researched already from IS-3. Probably gonna go US-tanks. Assuming all xp prior to first soft-wipe is included i should have about 1.2mill xp to toy around with. Might get a JagdTiger just for the hell of it. <- TD-whore
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Reply #642 on: December 06, 2010, 09:35:52 PM

I'm most likely going American heavy tree, but might go Russian, not sure.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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Reply #643 on: December 07, 2010, 06:26:13 PM

American heavies tier 7+ have supposedly 20% more armour than stated/intended and that's being "fixed" next patch, IS-4 is getting thicker frontal armour in the same patch. Maus is definitely not on par with IS-7 nor the american tier 10, even one of the devs has acknowledged that.

I have also no idea why you'd have more trouble penetrating VK than IS-4 when IS has 60 mm more armour on the sides and 20 mm more on the back, and it seems quite more sloped on the IS... put it differently, IS-4 is a tank for which i have to break out HE ammo with vk36. vk45 meanwhile eats regular shells like anything else.

I'm basing a lot of this on raw stats, I'm aware all the 7+ US heavies are way OP for their class as it stands I'm bouncing more shots off a T29 than an IS-4 atm, but post patch T29 looks as good as an IS/Tiger. IS-4 getting thicker frontal armour is a farce.

No way man Maus can be devastating if driven well, rarely goes on fire, can't be tracked, a lot of the time chosen as a secondary target if they're careful & they always have support cause other players just flock to them, IS-7 can find itself fighting alone a lot of the time, gets tracked it dies and believe me HE on it's turret can defy the laws of physics & track you. Also 60mm rear armour means you get flanked you're boned.  IS-7 versus Maus 1 v 1 Maus will win most times if players are of equal skill.

T23>T-44? I've seen a lot of complaining that the American mediums are all garbage.

Probably cause all mediums are garbage as of right now, the T23 looks at least as good as a T-44  if not better based on raw stats. It's a quicker, zippier T-44 with a slightly better gun. Less traversal which could even things, I'd have to test it to proof my theory. Admittedly it is a theory and stats can be misleading in this game.


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Reply #644 on: December 07, 2010, 06:38:14 PM

IS-7 versus Maus 1 v 1 Maus will win most times if players are of equal skill.

Not quite. Maus has one HUGE disadvantage in that matchup. If an IS-7 literally hugs the side of a Maus it is completely fucked. It can only hit the IS-7 turret and bounces most of the time at that angle. IS-7 on the otherhand, has no problem killing the Maus from that spot. At range what you are saying is true. But if the IS-7 knows to just get close, Maus dies without harming the the IS-7. Seen this happen several times.

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Reply #645 on: December 07, 2010, 06:57:21 PM

Don't know about that, from experience hugging the side means you are either shooting his turret or angling shots off his side and literally wasting shells. I would much rather have a few feet to shoot down on his sides so I can penetrate and even track him the odd time (if you know where to hit). Good Maus driver rarely bounces shells off the front of an IS-7 so this isn't really relevant what way you are facing though you can negate damage obviously.

100% HP IS-7 versus 100% HP Maus, Maus will win more often than not, IS-7 has the choice to run away though Maus doesn't if things go bad.

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Reply #646 on: December 07, 2010, 07:47:35 PM

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Reply #647 on: December 14, 2010, 10:03:36 AM

The ISU-152 kinda changed after i finally researched and mounted the BL-10 gun.  My hit-rate is plummeting. With its 0.36 accuracy it really shouldn't be that bad, but it feels more like the 152mm LOL-cannon.
And tracks..........i hit the track of a A-20 3 shots in a row on that desert map at 400 meters.........the tank ionly fills half the reticule, and i hit the god damn tracks? What? Nothing like tracking someone when it costs you 1600 creds a pop
and you have a 15+sec reload  ACK!   and let's not forget bouncing pzIII's  Ohhhhh, I see.   yeah,yeah....angles........
1-shotting KV's and 2 shotting IS-4's make up for it though.
Adding 4 tons of cannon made me a armored snail also. If i get damaged suspension now, i might as well go make some coffee til it's turned the way i need to be.
Still fun as hell. Nothing quite like seeing some smug IS-4 driver run for his life after the first shot takes 50% of his health    Heart
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Reply #648 on: December 14, 2010, 10:13:48 AM

That T29 armor needs some serious nerfing. 9 shots with a Ferdy and only one didn't bounce. Fucker got the Steel Wall award that fight.

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Reply #649 on: December 14, 2010, 12:33:54 PM

Getting fixed though. A T-29 with it's hull hidden is bouncaliscious at the moment. Their hull is very weak though.
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Reply #650 on: December 14, 2010, 01:23:57 PM

In that particular fight with my Ferdy, I had to autoaim because I was getting hammered by at least 4 tanks at once.  Danged tank was shaking about like the bang bus at a vegas porn convention and I could not possibly manually aim.

Being a ferdy, I still had lots of time to shoot, but with autoaim on a T29, it was dumb. So, basically you're saying that if I don't shoot the turret, the t29 is pretty weak?

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Reply #651 on: December 14, 2010, 01:34:30 PM

Yeah. The T-29's turret-front is listed at 178mm of steel. Add the 20% armor-bug and it's very, very sturdy at the moment.
It only got 102mm of hull-steel at the front though, so most everything will rough it up IF , and that's a big if, you can get to it. But with 4 tanks firing at you, not gonna happen as you noticed.
I've ditched auto-aim all together, not even using it at extreme distances anymore. Caused me a few deaths though, thanks to the rocking around when hit.
Well, that and my lousy 1010 hp  why so serious?
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Reply #652 on: December 14, 2010, 01:58:58 PM

Holy cow are people are nerd raging on the forums about there being a soft wipe delay! I don't know how you guys feel, if you had done a bunch of purchasing and xp grinding on a premium tank in anticipation of the soft wipe or what, but honestly, regardless of what tank you have to drive in this game, you should be having some fun each battle. There are some exceptions, I guess. Getting stuck in a hetzer in the Tier 10 battle has to blow goats, but you will soon be in a StugIII which can do decent damage to 70% of tanks even in a top tier game.

People that are grinding their rears off hating every moment of it till they can simply get into an IS-4 at softwipe are the same detestable idiots that pharmed the shit out of EQ spawn point for keys to Luclin_dungeon_of_l33tness_32. BLEARGH. Devote that time to your grades or your career plz, keep that attitude out of my fun park thnkxbye.

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Reply #653 on: December 14, 2010, 02:18:07 PM

Agree. Haven't logged into the beta in a couple of weeks. I've kept my fat ass on the russian version. Not understanding a single word of the chat is really, really great at times.
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Reply #654 on: December 14, 2010, 03:53:09 PM

So, basically you're saying that if I don't shoot the turret, the t29 is pretty weak?

Ya what snowwy said. But also to add the bug is on the hull only. Turrets won't change. Even with the 20% armor bug I have been killed plenty of times by tier 4 to 6 tanks in my T29. It's like any other tier 7 heavy, one on one it can take on anything it's tier or lower but if it gets swarmed it's dead. After driving a T29 quite a bit the only thing that makes it a bit OP is the gun.
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Reply #655 on: December 14, 2010, 04:43:29 PM

wait, so which is it, the hull or the turret that's borked and needs nerfing? 102 hull armor for a Tier 7 tank seems reasonable. Or are you saying that the bug only affects the hull so its a 120 something mm hull rather than a 102 mm hull? That actually would explain the bounces.

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Reply #656 on: December 14, 2010, 06:54:28 PM

Ya the bug only effects the hull. So ya it has roughly 120mm instead of the listed 102mm. The T34 and T30 will be even more screwed then they were considering they share the same hull as the T29.

On another note I drive mostly my T29 and T32 now and while the turret is awesome on them both exposing only the turret is very situational and you don't get that opportunity every battle or for very long.
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Reply #657 on: December 15, 2010, 08:37:18 AM

The turret on those things are huge, it's hard to hit anything else unless you are quite close.

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Reply #658 on: December 15, 2010, 08:54:53 AM

I noticed an inordinate amount of t29s last night  Ohhhhh, I see.

What I'm not so thrilled about is the changes to SPGs since the last big patch. The aim seems a lot more flaky than before. Its sort of annoying, because when you play arty, there's an unspoken assumption that you're going to be doing a lot of the heavy lifting in the game.

Not related to the aim issue, I got chewed out in one game for not taking out a VK on my own while he destroyed half the team from the safety of a protected cliff face. I'm like, dudes, if you know there's a hidden VK there, don't worry about it, don't scout him, he has to come out eventually. The bugger got 7 kills and I got yelled at for not travelling across the map to get an angle on him, which would have been pretty much impossible since by that time any real movement on my part would have exposed me to the enemy. In the end I caved and moved just enough to get a green line to the VK, and I lasted about 3 seconds due to hidden TDs spotting me.

I'd still hit the VK 2 times, but apparently, when there's a Tier 9/10 tank out there, its just assumed that the rest of the team is sorta off the hook and can just fart about with the other tanks.

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Reply #659 on: December 15, 2010, 02:19:40 PM

My bad on the armor-bug. Guess i should read up on shit before commenting  Ohhhhh, I see.
Can't say i ever had any problems with any of the US T-'s. Then again i don't drive much of anything below tier 8 these days besides the t-43, and that thing have problems with anything with a gun attached.
A bit surprised you'd have such problems in a Ferdie though. Stock 88?

edit: more or less parked my SU-8 atm. Glad they fixed the insane precision on arty, but now i'm happy if my shell even lands inside the aim-circle. Still get some good rounds though..
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Reply #660 on: December 20, 2010, 09:12:10 AM

They're increasingly daily income from 150 to 500 gold as a holiday gift. Lasts until January 2nd.

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Reply #661 on: December 20, 2010, 09:31:25 AM

wooters!

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Reply #662 on: December 20, 2010, 11:07:42 AM

I can't help but wonder if all the gold isn't a way to get people used to having it so they can up their sales. As a very casual player, I have a virtually endless supply. That's going to be hard to deal with losing and I'll bet I spend quite a bit.

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Reply #663 on: December 20, 2010, 01:49:38 PM

Eh, I think it'll boil down to 15 bucks a month or so to keep you in premium month-to-month. I may occasionally spend more to be able to jack a tank team up to 100% or power level a boring tank with xp from a fun tank. Like, say, getting an SU51 from the KV without having to actually grind a KV, which is at first a challenge and then comedic and then finally exasperating.

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Reply #664 on: December 20, 2010, 04:42:46 PM

Actually, I could play infinitely long for free with the AT-1. I've yet to find anything as much OP for its level fun.

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