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Reply #1225 on: January 01, 2011, 01:23:19 AM

That's nice to hear Scott, but your tank classes are broken when people want a rogue/tank over a real warrior class tank. You need to fix that asap or you'll have howling masses of unhappy warriors on your hands come retail.

I never felt left behind with my warrior-tanking spec personally (although I didn't try out the rogue tank soul), dps on the other hand felt quite a bit bigger/easier on my Paragon-heavy full dps build compared to a rogue.
Warriors do get plate armour and shields and stuff, at lower levels armour always makes less of a difference, but closer to endgame I'd assume that to give them a big boost in survivability.

Rogues do have more options though, as do Clerics; from what I saw they can both fulfil the 3 major roles quite decently (healing/tanking/dps), while warriors have no serious healing options and I don't think mages have any ways to tank.
Won't that turn them into second class citizens when filling different roles is such a huge selling point for the game?
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Reply #1226 on: January 01, 2011, 01:45:35 AM

I want in the goddamn beta.  angry (And I haven't been interested in a beta in quite a while.)



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Reply #1227 on: January 01, 2011, 03:44:37 AM

Just pulled down a functional VIP-Key from FilePlanet. Linking if anyone is interested.
No subscription needed.

http://www.fileplanet.com/promotions/rift/

This is still active.  My wife just got a VIP key out of it as of this post.
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Reply #1228 on: January 01, 2011, 04:58:21 AM

Rogues do have more options though, as do Clerics; from what I saw they can both fulfil the 3 major roles quite decently (healing/tanking/dps), while warriors have no serious healing options and I don't think mages have any ways to tank.
Won't that turn them into second class citizens when filling different roles is such a huge selling point for the game?

Bards aren't going to be solo healing instances, I don't think. I'm curious about the cleric tanking soul since I didn't even know it existed until I saw references to it.
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Reply #1229 on: January 01, 2011, 06:58:28 AM

Just pulled down a functional VIP-Key from FilePlanet. Linking if anyone is interested.
No subscription needed.

http://www.fileplanet.com/promotions/rift/

This is still active.  My wife just got a VIP key out of it as of this post.

Yep, I just did the same; even though I've been invited to all the events thanks to the plain "Community" one, you never know :)

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Reply #1230 on: January 01, 2011, 08:22:40 AM

The events were awesome. Though, after the beginning zones are no longer populated, I'm having a hard time picturing how anyone will finish the Freemarch one without some sort of mentor system, ability to upgrade orbs of heroism for higher level currencies, or people of higher level just coming down to farm it for friends/guildies.

Also, did anyone do both zones invasions? I was playing defiant this time around and my only experience with the Silverwood event was trying to grief their event by escorting the invasion (by killing Silverwood guards and anyone who flagged). From what I saw though, by comparison, the Silverwood one seems much easier and less tedious with basically only needing to kill two tank n' spank mobs.
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Reply #1231 on: January 01, 2011, 08:36:03 AM

I only did the Defiant, and starting it at level 10 I didn't make it further than King's Retreat and the Kelari Refuge, which suffered heavily through the first invasion I was in.  After it was over two level 20s from Legacy, and a group of their guildies went around cleaning up the footholds.  It wasn't until the final invasion that there were enough people in the area to fight anything during the heaviest of it.

Maybe the invaders wouldn't have been any worse closer to the heart of the event, but getting there for a level 10 is a bit dicey.  I might have gone with the first group, but thought the invasion stuff was over and so went back to questing since the town was finally clear and wanted to fight things I didn't miss seventy-five percent of the time.

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Reply #1232 on: January 01, 2011, 09:31:46 AM

What kind of fps were you guys getting? For the most part (and at max settings) I averaged around 20 fps, and around 8 in the middle of the zerg. Sometimes I'd get in the 30s 40s range, but that was rare.


eta: the reason I ask is that someone in global chat claimed he was getting 60 fps during the raid (and at max settings).
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Reply #1233 on: January 01, 2011, 09:38:08 AM

I don't know the numbers, but mine was holding up well.  Hardly any slowdown, so it must have been higher than 20 fps.

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Reply #1234 on: January 01, 2011, 09:51:31 AM

What kind of fps were you guys getting? For the most part (and at max settings) I averaged around 20 fps, and around 8 in the middle of the zerg. Sometimes I'd get in the 30s 40s range, but that was rare.


eta: the reason I ask is that someone in global chat claimed he was getting 60 fps during the raid (and at max settings).

I was getting around 40-50 the whole time, no decline at all during the event.  Max settings also.  My computer is brand new though.

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Reply #1235 on: January 01, 2011, 10:02:18 AM

I had a level 10 cleric running as a Cabalist/Warden/Druid when the first Defiant event took place during Beta 3. Made 6 levels following the big raid groups spot healing and just AOE nuking everything and was a ton of fun.

I was really pleasantly surprised about the performance in this last Beta since in Beta 1 it slowed to a crawl. I missed any Beta 2 events so not sure how they were but both of the ones I did in Beta 3 had almost no slowdowns at all. Was really impressive. I wasn't max settings but it was at the same settings I was already running around at. My computer is also fairly new though too.
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Reply #1236 on: January 01, 2011, 10:34:22 AM

What kind of fps were you guys getting? For the most part (and at max settings) I averaged around 20 fps, and around 8 in the middle of the zerg. Sometimes I'd get in the 30s 40s range, but that was rare.


eta: the reason I ask is that someone in global chat claimed he was getting 60 fps during the raid (and at max settings).

I was getting around 40-50 the whole time, no decline at all during the event.  Max settings also.  My computer is brand new though.

Mine is relatively new. I'll make a post in the "build me a pc" thread so someone can help me be less lame :/

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Reply #1237 on: January 01, 2011, 12:43:39 PM

Our lowest computer spec person was running on a Core2Duo 2.2 GHZ I believe, and they would get between 15-30 FPS depending on what was going on in the game.  I did find that turning shadows off and reducing drawing distance to the minimum (55) would increase almost everyone's FPS by about 10 regardless of the system or vid card they had. 

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Reply #1238 on: January 03, 2011, 06:07:16 AM

Beta 4 Starts this Friday.

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    As conflict grows increasingly brutal, the Warfronts of Telara call for champions to take arms and stain the earth with enemy blood. Will you join the Guardians and follow the will of the Vigil to salvation, or fight as a Defiant to usher in an age of techno-magical dominance?

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Reply #1239 on: January 03, 2011, 06:15:02 AM

That sounds like pvp testing time.

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Reply #1240 on: January 03, 2011, 07:30:11 AM

Still wish there was a Defiant Technomancer soul. Or really a faction-specific soul at all. Paladins, the atheist warrior!
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Reply #1241 on: January 03, 2011, 07:38:28 AM

Speaking of PvP.  What fun is there to be had rolling with your faction invasions into enemy territory?? (on a pve server)
I assume it's just mostly "griefing" in the form of killing their NPCs?

Lately though, I've been giving serious thought to trying out Rift on a PvP server, mostly because of the invasion/rift mechanics.  I'm normally a PvE guy, but PvP in such a game intrigues me.

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Reply #1242 on: January 03, 2011, 07:51:16 AM

A couple Guardians rolled into the Battle for Freemarch and really hampered things a bit.  Nothing too crazy because there were only a few of them, but I could see that if you get a solid enough group together you could have a lot of fun when the opposite faction is being invaded.

I, too, am strongly considering rolling PvP for the added change. 
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Reply #1243 on: January 03, 2011, 08:07:16 AM

Warfronts are cool, but how much can really be determined by trying to test them with level 25 characters is my question.

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Reply #1244 on: January 03, 2011, 08:12:16 AM

Warfronts are cool, but how much can really be determined by trying to test them with level 25 characters is my question.

That the mechanisms work when stressed?  Which is what they should be testing at this point.

Top end balance issues that can't been seen by the in house testers probably have to be expected to not be found until it can get really hammered by extended playing by large amounts of people anyway.  I.e. after launch.

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Reply #1245 on: January 03, 2011, 08:28:32 AM

Warfront tests basically test how balanced the map is and finding all the exploit spots I guess.

I'm sure there are tons of back end testing too; also group making or testing the queuing system.  Even the rate of gain of favor and other rewards.
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Reply #1246 on: January 03, 2011, 09:21:41 AM

If I picked up one of the FilePlanet VIP codes will I be able to access Beta 4 on Friday?

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Reply #1247 on: January 03, 2011, 09:41:36 AM

If I picked up one of the FilePlanet VIP codes will I be able to access Beta 4 on Friday?

You should, although i haven't gotten an email yet.

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Reply #1248 on: January 03, 2011, 09:45:37 AM

A couple Guardians rolled into the Battle for Freemarch and really hampered things a bit.  Nothing too crazy because there were only a few of them, but I could see that if you get a solid enough group together you could have a lot of fun when the opposite faction is being invaded.

I, too, am strongly considering rolling PvP for the added change.  

Yah, the more I think on it the more I'm starting to realize that this may be a bit of a diamond in the rough for Rift.  Their server-side control coupled with rift/invasions in an OpenWorld, seamless map PvP environment is just too   DRILLING AND MANLINESS  for me to ignore.

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Reply #1249 on: January 03, 2011, 09:51:05 AM

Go for it on a pvp server if you want, Ghambit. It's not like BC is going to happen.
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Reply #1250 on: January 03, 2011, 10:24:52 AM

PVP servers just aren't what they should be. They need to at minimum forcefully turn off the pvp flag once you leave the newbie area. Optimally, there needs to be a FFA server.
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Reply #1251 on: January 03, 2011, 11:21:18 AM

Wha? They're just like WoW PvP servers, so far as I know. You're force flagged once you leave noob zones, right?
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Reply #1252 on: January 03, 2011, 11:56:09 AM

Go for it on a pvp server if you want, Ghambit. It's not like BC is going to happen.

Meh, I gotta learn more about pvp first.  They've been pretty tight-lipped about how exactly things are gonna work out.  This weekend will be the decider and regardless, I'll have toons on both servers.  Most likely I'll get frustrated and just stick PvE and have fun griefing NPCs.

What's the theory on why BC never happens btw??
Always seems like people scatter like roaches during release-time instead of conglomerating.  Kind of... odd.

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Reply #1253 on: January 03, 2011, 12:03:54 PM

What's the theory on why BC never happens btw??

Because most of f13.net is populated by antisocial gamers.  I've been in quite a few f13 guilds and I see the same thing in all of them: a bunch of closet catasses that refuse to type anything in guild chat while insisting on being a guild leader. 

I should write a social science journal article on this stuff. 

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Reply #1254 on: January 03, 2011, 12:09:50 PM

We usually all pick different servers and hang out with different groups of friends, in addition to keeping different hours and having a wide assortment of playing styles.

What we need is a single server and something which allows you to join multiple guilds.  CoH kind of worked this way when they added the cross server chat channels, because we could all join a custom channel regardless of where we were.

New Reply: Nebu may have a point.  I'm not sure we all want to be guild leader so much as whomever gets in first gets stuck with the job, though.  I'm chatty, but I need people to give me stuff to talk about, lest I find myself babbling then shutting up to keep from annoying everyone.

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Reply #1255 on: January 03, 2011, 12:16:52 PM

I'm definitely going to play Rifts (either in beta or at release) and would love to hear chatter in guild chat.  I don't care if I never group with guild folks, I just like the distraction of chat to keep the mundane quest grind from driving me nuts.  I still treat MMOs as a chat room with a 3D graphical interface. 

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Reply #1256 on: January 03, 2011, 01:03:20 PM

Ghambit and I talked a bit, was it Ard that was in the guardian one with us?

This last event was very meh for me, which doesn't bode well, I guess. I didn't feel like doing all that content over again for an alt and there was nothing but repetitive rift chasing to do at level 20, though I guess I could have done the repetitive IT in case there were a couple items I didn't get the first bunch of times I did it. The most fun I had in beta event 3 was the pvp clash, but I'm certainly not going to roll on a pvp server in an mmo.

I was mostly hoping to group with f13ers, didn't work that way and I got pretty burnt on the game. Soul system is a lot of fun, but not if there's not fun stuff to do with it.
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Reply #1257 on: January 03, 2011, 01:22:09 PM

Yeah, it was me.  I wasn't home for the holidays so I missed the last event completely.  I was all  0.0 DPS over it.  I'm super curious about the things I've been hearing about the dungeons.

I'm still not even sure if I want to keep doing these beta events at this point personally though.  I know I'm going to buy it at this point, and even though I'm giving a ton of feedback, I'm at the point where I want to cut myself off so I can experience most of it for the first time fresh once it's in retail.  I'm actually at odds with myself on this one, especially since it does seem like it might get repetitive doing the same starting areas over.
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Reply #1258 on: January 03, 2011, 01:26:28 PM

It's an awful release date for me. I generally try not to game after mid-April until October, and this year with finances where they are, we're considering turning off cable entirely for the summer, and possibly thereafter. I also wish SWTOR would launch in October, but then maybe a spring launch for these guys is good, get the rush out of the way and some patches applied.
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Reply #1259 on: January 03, 2011, 01:27:53 PM

Repeating the same lowbie content over and over again will get old pretty fast, this doesn't mean i won't enjoy the rest of it.  This beta weekend has pvp, that's something new.

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