Argent Tournament

[Nevermore]

Yeah, the location is pretty 

Of course, it's not that much different from uprooting the entire city of Dalaran and floating it a stone's throw away from the same Citadel.  I guess so the Kirin Tor mages can glare at Arthas menacingly?

[Ingmar]

The lore pretense is laughable too.  This is some kind of tournament to see who will be best at fighting the Lich King?  .....send EVERYONE.

Oh and I don't think the Lich King is going to come out and JOUST WITH US.

"We have finally broken through to the very gates of Mordo... the Lich King's Citadel! The cleansing of the evil that has plagued our world for so long is at hand! Build... an arena! Right next to the citadel of evil, that should work. I'm sure he'll wait."

Yeah it is a /facepalm of a plot development. I think it exceeds even ToA's "civilization... fading... MUST BUILD OBSTACLE COURSE".

[kildorn]

Yeah, the location is pretty 

Of course, it's not that much different from uprooting the entire city of Dalaran and floating it a stone's throw away from the same Citadel.  I guess so the Kirin Tor mages can glare at Arthas menacingly?

The plan is actually to drop Dalaran from orbit on top of Icecrown.

[WindupAtheist]

Everytime I think I'm going to slog through this, I try and then quit again. I take back what I said about it merely being blah, the jousting is unremittingly terrible. Everyone with these complex strategies must play on servers with no people, because I can't see anything among the crowd of assholes jousting on elephants and have to basically just stare at my icons.

[Simond]

They did crowbar in a lore explanation as to why the AC are holding a tournament - firstly, it's to try and stop King Big McLargeHuge and Brick Shithouse Hellscream from having the Alliance & Horde declaraing open warfare on each other until after the Lich King is dealt with...and secondly, it's to piss Arthas off.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Everytime I think I'm going to slog through this, I try and then quit again. I take back what I said about it merely being blah, the jousting is unremittingly terrible. Everyone with these complex strategies must play on servers with no people, because I can't see anything among the crowd of assholes jousting on elephants and have to basically just stare at my icons.

You mentioned having to wait for lord everblaze to spawn and having him being camped at 3am too. Whenever I go do that quest there's MAYBE one other person there and usually just killed him, he has a 30second respawn.

I think your server is proper fucked.

[WindupAtheist]

I ended up on a Pacific time server even though I'm Eastern, so technically it was only midnight when I got to Everblaze to find one person killing him and another waiting. (And a group of two showing up as I was standing there.) But yeah, still. Camped to shit at midnight server time. I'm just not dealing with this in 2009.

[LK]

Gah, wrong thread.

Lore, lol.

[Ingmar]

I don't know why they didn't make his drop a glowy-everyone-can-click thing like they did for other gated event quest kills in Wrath, but... seriously, arriving to find 2 people there isn't 'camped to shit'.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I don't know why they didn't make his drop a glowy-everyone-can-click thing like they did for other gated event quest kills in Wrath, but... seriously, arriving to find 2 people there isn't 'camped to shit'.

Wow has seriously spoiled people.

[WindupAtheist]

Two to start, five of us standing there at midnight when I went LOL and took off. Am I supposed to feel bad that I'm spoiled? Season 6 is out and there's a bunch of purples to honor grind for (hateful costs less honor than savage did, yay) so thankfully I don't need to concern myself with this crap anymore.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Were any of them your own faction so you could just, group up with them?

[WindupAtheist]

One Alliance killing it, one willing to group, two Horde. If this were fun, or less annoying, or held the potential for some worthwhile reward, I probably wouldn't have given it a second thought. As it was, it was the metaphorical straw breaking the camel's back.

edit: derp spelling

[Lakov_Sanite]

Fair enough, I'm not going to defend the argent tournament on the grounds I think lore-wise it's kinda stupid. If I were a fresh 80 though it is certainly useful since the weapons are actually a lot cheaper than the vanity items and it's decent gold.

I'm doing them personally because I'm a pet whore.  I don't think it's any worse than quel danas which sucked for having overcamped quest mobs(doing the bombing run in the first week was ridiculous) and I think the jousting is quick/easy enough to not bother me but what really gets me is just how blah it is story wise. I simply do NOT care.

[Evil Elvis]

You can do the undead jousting & undead kill dailies for champion and 1 valiant race at the same time.  That's around 84 gold (if you choose the champion gold rewards) for basically 2 quests, which ain't bad.

Unfortunately, the champion daily jousters don't count towards the valiant daily.  Jousting 7 times sucks, even though I barely take damage doing it anymore.

[Sjofn]

I got my little squire today. I taught him about the world by making him do the Heigan dance. His mom is probably so glad he got assigned to the creepy human deathknight that immediately took him to Naxxramas.

[LK]

I started doing the tournament. I was so...

so...

Jesus christ. I give up on WoW lore. If you only pay attention to the big events and consider that canon, it works. But the minutiae will leave you naked and ass-raped in a dark back alley off a city street while people walk by you, point, and laugh.

[WindupAtheist]

I will say this in their favor, the whole vehicle thing has been tightened up in general. I was just doing the "shoot down drakes" Shadow Vault daily for the first time since the patch, and it felt much more solid than before. I can't explain how exactly, it just felt better and it was much easier to be accurate at longer ranges.

[K9]

Seven dailes for 125g is nice. You can double up some of the valiant and champion dailies, so if you're doing the killing scourge dailies for champion seals pick up the same quest from a 2nd faction for the valiant seals and earn more cash.

The commander mobs at the melee with 250K health are still a pain to kill. My best strategy is to wait for someone else to accidentally aggro one and then get a couple of charges in why they follow their initial target; the aggro on those mobs is really screwy.

[Phred]

The grind cockblocks seem entirely there for the reason of preventing people from just sitting their asses down and grinding for 12 hours straight. It's essentially the game telling you to do something else now, and come back tomorrow.

It's grating in an "I want my shiney thing NOW" sense, but probably a bit healthier. I think I'd allow you to store 3 days of dailies for them though, to allow for a few days off without thinking you messed up your deadline.

I really don't care about the time limiting they are doing. Hell, they've done it since the first BC content patch when they added dailies. But, the sheer mind numbing boringness of these quests pisses me off completely. I think the Netherwing/Ogrila and especially Sunwell quest designs were all totally superior to this crap. The sword quests have retardedly long time sinks built into the travel time, and the jousting sucks for all the reasons everyone has mentioned. This is definitely C team output.

[Phred]

I ended up on a Pacific time server even though I'm Eastern, so technically it was only midnight when I got to Everblaze to find one person killing him and another waiting. (And a group of two showing up as I was standing there.) But yeah, still. Camped to shit at midnight server time. I'm just not dealing with this in 2009.

Assuming they all weren't the opposite faction, why not just spam invites. If they are grouped, just say Invite? That's what I and everyone else on my server does and it works fine. You join a group, kill the mob, loot, say thanks and leave. Not a big deal and saves waiting 1 min or so for respawns.

[Phred]

I will say this in their favor, the whole vehicle thing has been tightened up in general. I was just doing the "shoot down drakes" Shadow Vault daily for the first time since the patch, and it felt much more solid than before. I can't explain how exactly, it just felt better and it was much easier to be accurate at longer ranges.

Ya I noticed the Shoot-em-Up quest had been fixed again. It seemed to me they lowered the hp of the drakes or upped the dmg on the cannons is all. Stuff died much faster than it used to.

Edit. I did it again today,  and tried to pay more attention to it, and not only have they upped the dmg on the guns considerably (3 hits kills a drake compared to 6+ before) but they also fixed the huge tracking lag the guns used to have. Now it doesn't take 10 seconds for the shells to catch up to the aiming circle when you move the gun around.

[Sjofn]

I will say, fuck whoever it was that decided to fucking have a fucking group quest daily. If it's not a dungeon daily, I don't want to fucking group for it unless I feel like it, assholes.

[kildorn]

I will say, fuck whoever it was that decided to fucking have a fucking group quest daily. If it's not a dungeon daily, I don't want to fucking group for it unless I feel like it, assholes.

What lame DK can't solo a group[3]. <3 

[Lakov_Sanite]

I just did that quiest today. it's a lot easier when you realize that the cuiltists that spawn leave bombs on the ground, avoid the bombs and the rest of the attacks don't do much dmg.

[Sjofn]

I will say, fuck whoever it was that decided to fucking have a fucking group quest daily. If it's not a dungeon daily, I don't want to fucking group for it unless I feel like it, assholes.

What lame DK can't solo a group[3]. <3 

I probably can, it just pisses me off in principle.

[K9]

I will say, fuck whoever it was that decided to fucking have a fucking group quest daily. If it's not a dungeon daily, I don't want to fucking group for it unless I feel like it, assholes.

[Merusk]

I will say, fuck whoever it was that decided to fucking have a fucking group quest daily. If it's not a dungeon daily, I don't want to fucking group for it unless I feel like it, assholes.

What lame DK can't solo a group[3]. <3 

That dragon's breath fucking hurts,  I had to duo the quest and I'm decked out in nearly all 25-man Naxx gear.   Then again, I started fighting him at 2/3 health and didn't know about the bombs.. Hrmm..

[Sjofn]

Update: Why no, no I cannot solo that quest. 

[Lantyssa]

Lern2DK

[kildorn]

Man, you sucked it up on a group[3] IN FRONT OF YOUR SQUIRE!?

Seriously, that poor kid's image of you is SHATTERED. And after we took him to naxx :(

[Ingmar]

Man, you sucked it up on a group[3] IN FRONT OF YOUR SQUIRE!?

Seriously, that poor kid's image of you is SHATTERED. And after we took him to naxx :(

He saw us go 0 for 10 on Maly last night too. 

[kildorn]

Ack, I logged at like, 12:30 assuming you didn't need me at that point for any OHGODFUCKIT WE'LL DO IT LIVE WITH TWO DKS

[Nevermore]

I think they didn't ask because they didn't have the heart to tell me I'd be the one kicked to get you in.  If they were smart they'd have subbed you in that one time I disconnected.

[kildorn]

fighting giant space dragons is obviously not the work of kitties.