Argent Tournament

[K9]

Yup, I had a nice route for the Sunwell dailies that got me all 11 or 12 done in the same time it takes me to do 3 or so of the tournament dailies. Also the idea that you were driving a visible progression and could compare how well your server was doing o others (via 3rd party websites) was cool. There was also more at stake with Sunwell. Pretty much everyone wanted to unlock the new badge vendor, the tournament so far doesn't have anything that feels like that.

[Rendakor]

Yea, the tournament is pretty much a grind for grind's sake. I was kinda sorta interested, then I got my Albino Drake and don't really needs mounts anymore. Meh.

[caladein]

Yup, I had a nice route for the Sunwell dailies that got me all 11 or 12 done in the same time it takes me to do 3 or so of the tournament dailies. Also the idea that you were driving a visible progression and could compare how well your server was doing o others (via 3rd party websites) was cool. There was also more at stake with Sunwell. Pretty much everyone wanted to unlock the new badge vendor, the tournament so far doesn't have anything that feels like that.

The gear is pretty decent, on par with Heroic stuff.  Also,

[WindupAtheist]

Isn't that just a rehue of the Baron mount?

[caladein]

Yeah, it's just a white skin of the epic Forsaken mount, just like Baron Rivendare's mount is a blue skin of the epic Forsaken mount.

It looks a bit like Sir Zeliek's mount, but his is actually a different model.

[K9]

Since the kissing frogs daily is one of the most retarded ever I made this macro

/use Warts-B-Gone Lip Balm
/tar Lake
/kiss

Spamming that makes the whole process a lot quicker and easier.

[Shrike]

Good macro; mine has a /clear target line, though.   

The Sunwell dailys had plenty of suck in them, but at least I got to play my own character. That's my main objection. I don't like vehicle stuff particularly, and I didn't care much for the bombing run(s) either (and, moreover, the Skettis one was pure, unadulterated suck). Also, the environment was a lot more interesting than being stuck on the ass end of a friggin' glacier.

The occasional (emphasis on "occasional") vehicle thingy isn't too bad. It breaks things up. However, it's every other damned thing you do in Northrend and I'm way tired of this shit. Worse, it's in Ulduar. It needs to be put down NOW. I don't want to see another misbegotten vehicle quest or event until the Maelstrom, or whatever tne next expansion is--and maybe not even then.

[Merusk]

Skettis sucked?  That was one of the easiest ones, I thought.  Well, unless you had a standard flyer, then I can see it truly, truly sucking.  Both Outlands bombing runs (orgila and Skettis) were designed with Epic flyers in mind, and normal flyers just got the shit beaten out of them easily.

[K9]

Since Merusk has reminded me, we should probably agree that Ogri'la was the worst implementation of a 'sideshow' faction ever in WoW. At least the Argent Tournament has some interesting rewards.

[Gobbeldygook]

The Sunwell dailys had plenty of suck in them, but at least I got to play my own character.

Let's imagine for a moment you're designing new solo content, such as the Argent Tournament.  Do you balance it on the assumption everyone is in their DPS spec, or do you balance it to be tolerable for healers and tanks too?  Or do you make it a vehicle quest and then know -exactly- how much damage everyone can do and take?

[Rasix]

Or you release it at the same time as dual specs and it becomes mostly a moot point. 

[K9]

Or you release it at the same time as dual specs and it becomes mostly a moot point. 

My priest has dual healing specs 

[Xanthippe]

The Sunwell dailys had plenty of suck in them, but at least I got to play my own character.

Let's imagine for a moment you're designing new solo content, such as the Argent Tournament.  Do you balance it on the assumption everyone is in their DPS spec, or do you balance it to be tolerable for healers and tanks too?  Or do you make it a vehicle quest and then know -exactly- how much damage everyone can do and take?

I don't know what is to come, but the quests I'm on are jousting, kill 10 scourge and then some random 1 of 3 or 4 fetch this, give to that, type quests.

Is it my imagination, or was jousting easier yesterday and harder today?

I really really really hate jousting.

[Merusk]

Or you release it at the same time as dual specs and it becomes mostly a moot point. 

My priest has dual healing specs 

Oh good, I thought I was the only oddball that did that.

[Rasix]

Or you release it at the same time as dual specs and it becomes mostly a moot point. 

My priest has dual healing specs 

HEAL HARDER.

I don't know how they could really make these dailies any more tedious.   I'd rather watch that stupid Hodir ghost wolf run around for 10 minutes.

[Rendakor]

Well instead of each daily sending us across Northrend, they could've sent us back to the old world where the frogs we have to kiss are a 5m flightpath followed by a 10m ground mount run away.

Oh wait, maybe I shouldn't give them ideas.

[Lakov_Sanite]

What worries me is that you get five tokens a day, riight now you use these to rank up but presumably at the final rank you use tokens to buy things. Does this mean we'll only get five tokens a day still? That would make buying those 100 token items ridiculous unless you can do 5 quests per faction eventually.

[Merusk]

What worries me is that you get five tokens a day, riight now you use these to rank up but presumably at the final rank you use tokens to buy things. Does this mean we'll only get five tokens a day still? That would make buying those 100 token items ridiculous unless you can do 5 quests per faction eventually.

You get different tokens at the final rank. Check the vendors and you'll see that you get "Champion's Marks" eventually, no idea how many you can get per day, though.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Exactly, the tokens change each rank but the amount per day doesn't seem to change. You get five tokens a day as an aspirant and as a valiant.

[Rendakor]

IIRC from the PTR you still get 5 tokens per day as a Champion.

[Evil Elvis]

It's actually worse.   When you hit champ, there's 3 dailies that give 1 seal, and one that gives 2... but it's a 3-man group daily.  There is a 1-time quest that gives 10 champ seals (actually, this might be repeatable for each of the 4 factions), so it shouldn't take long to get a 25 seal weapon or whatnot.  But yeah, you won't be seeing many people flying around with the argent hippogryph anytime soon.

I actually got an extra quest the other day, so I was able to get 7 seals.  I don't know if it was a glitch, or if there's a random chance of it occurring or what.

At least when you hit champ, you get rep rewards for that faction, or an extra 10g.

[Paelos]

Rep rewards or gold? You mean those reps we've maxxed out over the last 7 months? Good lord.

[Kail]

You mean those reps we've maxxed out over the last 7 months? Good lord.

Of course not, don't be silly.

They're for the for reps you've maxxed over the last four years.

[WindupAtheist]

It's actually worse.   When you hit champ, there's 3 dailies that give 1 seal, and one that gives 2... but it's a 3-man group daily.

And they want forty of these for a vanity pet? Fifty for a fucking tabard? Bahahaha. I know there are OCD types out there (and in this thread) who'll go ahead and grind that while cursing their miserable existences because they just can't help themselves, but come on.

The Sunwell dailies were decent because they were all pretty straightforward killfests, but didn't require you to kill an obscene number of any single thing. They kept you moving between targets without requiring a lot of tedious travel. This tournament crap is nothing but tedium.

[Ironwood]

I think this whole patch has jumped the shark.

[K9]

I'd rather watch that stupid Hodir ghost wolf run around for 10 minutes.

I detest that stupid wolf.

[Fordel]

Summon the wolf while mounted, fun times.

[Evil Elvis]

Rep rewards or gold? You mean those reps we've maxxed out over the last 7 months? Good lord.

Sunreaver + Argent Crusade, and an optional faction/gold.

They're for the for reps you've maxxed over the last four years.

Even with runecloth turn-ins, it's a pain to raise your racial factions.  It's not bad having another way.


These quests suck, especially the champion ones, but complaining about the rep rewards is dumb.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The only way I could see the tokens not being a total cockblock is if they let you do dailies for each faction as a champion but getting 25 tokens a day doesn't seem like something they'd do.

[Shrike]

The only reason I'm doing this...stuff...on my shaman is for that damned hippogryph (he is cool looking). It's like questing Purgatory. 250 seals...5 a day...I'm going to be hating virtual life. Worse than grinding CC faction back in Silithus. Yeah, considering how bad that grind was, a 50 day grind for a flying mount seems typically Blizzard. Gah.

As for Uduar, well, admittedly, the flame leviathan fight was a hoot. We all had a pretty good time with that (as opposed to the PitA that Ignis was...). Just so long as it STAYS with the leviathan and doesn't appear constantly in every new raid instance.

[Evil Elvis]

The only way I could see the tokens not being a total cockblock is if they let you do dailies for each faction as a champion but getting 25 tokens a day doesn't seem like something they'd do.

You get the champion quests from the argent npc's in the neutral tent, so yeah, max of 5 per day.  However, some of them overlap with the valiant quests (undead kill quest, undead jousting, argent jousting), so it might be possible to do the champion quests along with one racial's valiant dailies at the same time. 

If that's the case, it's an extra 750 rep and 36 gold without doing any extra work.  I'll know tomorrow when my valiant dailies reset.

[Xanthippe]

The only reason I'm doing this...stuff...on my shaman is for that damned hippogryph (he is cool looking).

You could get the Cenarion Expedition hippogryph instead.  CE exalted rep, buy from vendor in Zangarmarsh. 

I'm a vanity pet junkie, but I'm not sure I care enough to continue jousting.  I really hate it.

[Rasix]

I'm a vanity pet junkie, but I'm not sure I care enough to continue jousting.  I really hate it.

I'm doing all except the jousting. It's only one seal. It'll take longer, but I'll keep my sanity.

[Sjofn]

See, I would be happier if I could do JUST the jousting. I don't have the intense hate for vehicle quests other people do, though.

It's the Go Get Me a Weapon quests I fucking hate. Fuck you, asshole, get your own goddamn weapon.

What I am hoping is that in Phase Two of this thing, they add more ways to get champion seals. Five a day is ridiculous considering the prices they have on the pets and such.

[K9]

To complete the circle, it's the quest to kill mobs under Icecrown Citadel which annoys me the most. Jousting is dead easy now, and is conveniently close to the quest giver. Sword quests aren't too bad with an epic mount.

The vanity pets aren't soulbound, so they'll probably end up on the AH sooner or later.