Argent Tournament

[Xanthippe]

I'm a little disappointed.  3 or 4 days just to get to where I can do something besides train?

I hope it gets more interesting.

[Valmorian]

I'm a little disappointed.  3 or 4 days just to get to where I can do something besides train?

I hope it gets more interesting.

I LOVE it.  Of course, I'm a fan of Arthurian legend and always play a Paladin for that reason.  Mounted combat in a tournament setting is making me go Wheeee!

[Merusk]

Yeah the run-up is a bit disappointing, but it caters to the folks who can't login every day.  If I only got to play on the weekends and missed all of the building of the arena I might be a bit miffed.  

I'm more miffed that the dailies require even more running around to a few different zones.  Hopefuly the last stage ones won't take as long and the stone/ wood ones will go away.

Anyone else getting folks who drop a duel challenge on them then run and hide in a mass of other players so you can't target them until the duel starts and you can see them again?  That's a bit of a nuisance as they get the first throw/ charge in while you're wondering where the hell they're at.

[Hindenburg]

ahm, /tar playername?

[Merusk]

When I know all the Ascii codes by heart that'll work just great, I'm sure.  Until then I have to click on Hi(accentgrave)tmeharde(umlat)r and Kiile(umlat)rsquid and the like.

 

[Hindenburg]

if there's no one around with a similar name, you can just do a /tar hi and /tar kiile.

Also, besides P and shift+6, by abnt 2 rules.

[Evil Elvis]

There's really no reason to do the stone/wood dalies.  They're a pita, and they don't give you anything for the tournament.

[Ingmar]

This isn't a staged thing like the island was, so unless you want the money there's no reason to do the goblin ones.

[WindupAtheist]

I liked the bit where I found out the Black Knight was an agent of the Lich King, recovered the weapons used to murder innocent competitors, and found a copy of his orders from the Scourge. I hand these in to the woman in charge, and she's like "Come back when you are a champion and we will find a way to defeat him!"

Um, hello! Murder weapon in our possession! Copy of his orders from the Lich King! Just fucking arrest him!

[Khaldun]

Yeah, or let me kill him. Why do I have to fight him in the Arena given that we've got the goods on him? I'd rather the quest have ended with some ambiguous evidence, and the lady saying, "I know he's guilty, but we can't quite prove it. The only way to stop him is to challenge him as a champion!"

Plus, I need a skeleton femur to conk some guy over the head? What have I been sapping people with for the last five years?

[kildorn]

I liked the bit where I found out the Black Knight was an agent of the Lich King, recovered the weapons used to murder innocent competitors, and found a copy of his orders from the Scourge. I hand these in to the woman in charge, and she's like "Come back when you are a champion and we will find a way to defeat him!"

Um, hello! Murder weapon in our possession! Copy of his orders from the Lich King! Just fucking arrest him!

Arrest? He's fucking Scourge. Since when did we need a search and seizure warrant to take the shadow vault?

[Soulflame]

Shadow Vault was taken using Eminent Domain.

[WindupAtheist]

Well, I'd assumed in my little disbelief-suspending RPer's mind that he'd be arrested, publicly condemned with the evidence, and then promptly executed. I had forgotten that this is Azeroth, where justice comes in the form of adventurers stabbing you while you drink your tea. 

[Sjofn]

So REALLY, the Black Knight offing those dudes shouldn't even be considered any big thing!

[kildorn]

So REALLY, the Black Knight offing those dudes shouldn't even be considered any big thing!

Well it's a little odd that they didn't rez after a quick ghost run.

[WindupAtheist]

I was hoping this would keep me occupied since there's basically no reason to PVP until the next season starts, but it's a glorified three daily quests. Plus two stupid goblin dailies nobody does.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I do the goblin dailies, they're super quick at least for me. It sucks that there isn't much to do as an aspirant but it's only three days worth of dailies to rank up. I already see people doing the valiant stuff, whatever that is.

[Kail]

Pretty much the same as the Aspirant stuff, except there's four dailies instead of three.

-Duel (and win) against three of the Valiant NPCs
-Fetch me a weapon (same as the Aspirant one)
-Kill ten scourge in Icecrown (same as Aspirant one, except you're killing two more so it'll take like ten more seconds)
-Fight a bunch of scourge guys with the jousting vehicles (fun, for me, anyway)

Doing this nets five tokens per day, need 25 to rank up.

Personally, I'm liking the Tournament, but I can see why some people would be underwhelmed.  It seems a bit less interesting than the Sunwell stuff.

[Fordel]

The Sunwell stuff had the added attraction of the poopsock meter.

[WindupAtheist]

Got up to where I could joust some NPC. It's just a couple of daily quests, inordinately heavy on the Dumb Vehicle Shit. Yawn.

[WindupAtheist]

Oh yeah, the trick to easily defeating any NPC jouster? Remain stationary except for rotating to maintain facing, and never charge.

 

[Lakov_Sanite]

Oh yeah, the trick to easily defeating any NPC jouster? Remain stationary except for rotating to maintain facing, and never charge.

 

That takes forever, you can kill them quickest by waiting for them to walk away and charge, turn and break their shield. then melee until they try to get distance again. I'm not saying the programs still are rudimentary AI but it's a lot quicker to defeat them. Also, I'm assuming they do get harder when you rank up.

[WindupAtheist]

The stationary method works a lot better when you're in the middle of a sea of people all doing their own jousts in a ten yard square area and you can barely track what's going on. In any case, I already chucked my lance and went back to doing skybreaker dailies.

[Phred]

As you said. another terrible vehicle implimentation. Do you remember where they mentioned the defend move in the tutorial and told you how to use it? I don't either. But, if you put yourself in defend mode the npc appearantly trys to get range on you for a shield breaker, that's when you charge and then your horse jumps around him like a bunny hopper and you can sheild break him  at that time. Add some server lag and it's horrible.

Someone needs to remind them about those mistakes Tigole said they made when they released this expansion cause they keep making them, it appears.

I'm just glad that the first vehicle fight in Uldaur manages to not suck terribly badly.

[WindupAtheist]

All you do is apply 3 stacks of defense before initiating the fight, and reapply it whenever the opponent knocks it down. Spam thrusts when they're close, and shield breakers when they're not. Bam, that's it. There may be faster ways, but that's all you really need to do.

EDIT:  It's not terrible, it's just very blah. The combat isn't horrible or broken, it's just sort of clunky and simple. The non-jousting quests aren't horrible cockstabs, they just expect you to go much further out of your way than some others. The rewards I've seen listed as forthcoming aren't garbage, they're just hard to get excited about.

[Sjofn]

As you said. another terrible vehicle implimentation. Do you remember where they mentioned the defend move in the tutorial and told you how to use it? I don't either. But, if you put yourself in defend mode the npc appearantly trys to get range on you for a shield breaker, that's when you charge and then your horse jumps around him like a bunny hopper and you can sheild break him  at that time. Add some server lag and it's horrible.

They tell you about the defend move in the melee tutorial.

[K9]

EDIT:  It's not terrible, it's just very blah. The combat isn't horrible or broken, it's just sort of clunky and simple. The non-jousting quests aren't horrible cockstabs, they just expect you to go much further out of your way than some others. The rewards I've seen listed as forthcoming aren't garbage, they're just hard to get excited about.

This pretty much sums it up, after trying to get excited about the tournament this is how I feel. Even the "trample minions of Arthas' dread legion on your argent steed" daily is a lot less fun than other quests where you get to mindlessly blow stuff up.

It's not so unbearable that I won't stick with it for a couple of titles, achievements and vanity pets, but it's really not that interesting.

[Merusk]

The snarky part of me wants to make a comment about the B or C team being on this game, while the A team has moved on to the Next MMO.   I agree it's all pretty uninspiring, even comparing it to the other vehicle quests.  Comparing it to the Sunwell run-up it's a yawn fest.

[Xanthippe]

I really hate the interface.  It's clumsy.

Sunwell was so much better.

[K9]

The snarky part of me wants to make a comment about the B or C team being on this game, while the A team has moved on to the Next MMO.   I agree it's all pretty uninspiring, even comparing it to the other vehicle quests.  Comparing it to the Sunwell run-up it's a yawn fest.

To me it seems like most of this stuff was probably well along the pipeline prior to the release of WoTLK, and it's a relic of an idea that didn't pan out so well.

[Paelos]

I agree that most of these vehicle things were probably way into the pipeline before they figured out that people hate them. Personally, I don't think they will put another vehicle thing into a raid since they are far enough along that they can shift things.

[Shrike]

I started these things last night. They suck. Period.

I"m already thorougly sick and tired of vehicle crap. It was amusing for about 10 minutes after I installed the expansion, but, for the love of God, quit with this misbegotten thing already! I like my character. I want to play my character, not some half-assed vehicle horseshit. This is the main reason I miss the Sunwell dailly hub: I got to play my own character. Imagine that! Yeah, it got tedious from time to time, but it was great for experimentation with new gear and fun to watch others screw up doing the quests.

I'll probably stick with it now (since I don't really have a whole lot better to do) just to score a few pets. My warrior might stay with it (God help me...) for a few minor upgrades. Other than that, I never want to see this part of Icecrown again.

Blizzard! No. More. Vehicle. Shit. Ever.

[Paelos]

I haven't done it. I'm probably not gonna do it. I just won't support content releases that are primarily based around vehicles anymore.

[Fordel]

I think some of you are remembering the sun well dailies a little to fondly. The only quest out of the whole bunch that was actually 'haha awesome' was the demon bombing run and even that lost some of it's awesome after the 45th time. Otherwise it was Kill these bastards, collect these items, use those items on those other bastards.

[Merusk]

Yeah, but it didn't involve fucking vehicles AND they were all clustered in a nice, tight little circuit about 1/4 the size of Icecrown you could do efficiently and then bug off to do other shit.  To do the 4 tournament dailies at the second level you have to fly across to the other side of Icecrown, anywhere else in Icecrown with undead, Crystalsong and Grizzly Hills or Howling Fjord.  Even with a fast flyer that's a good 20 mins of flying.  I can't imagine the 3rd and 4th levels will reduce this any.