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[Shrike]

She shouldn't be around long enough to MC you... 

Actually, I remember doing this place with a friend of mine to get him up to speed in this expansion. I was using my protection warrior to squire him around and everything was going smoothly until Baroness. Yep, MC. Beat the living daylights out of him. I told him to just use repentence, but I guess the non-stop stuns kinda monkey-wrenched that. I remember that hang dog tone on Skype, "But I couldn't do anything!" Have to remind him of it periodically when he starts getting froggy on his ret pally.

[Simond]

Cool. I might start doing that shortly for some downtime fun.

You need to keep a running tally of Baron kills and post them here, somewhere. 

And Baron is fun as hell as a DK: "Hm. Skeleton army" *casts AotD* "My ghouls can beat up your skeletons"

[Dren]

She shouldn't be around long enough to MC you... 

Actually, I remember doing this place with a friend of mine to get him up to speed in this expansion. I was using my protection warrior to squire him around and everything was going smoothly until Baroness. Yep, MC. Beat the living daylights out of him. I told him to just use repentence, but I guess the non-stop stuns kinda monkey-wrenched that. I remember that hang dog tone on Skype, "But I couldn't do anything!" Have to remind him of it periodically when he starts getting froggy on his ret pally.

We did this a lot back in the day.  Just have the others stand out of range and nobody will get MC'ed.  They can't help, but you probably don't need it! ;)

[Chimpy]

She shouldn't be around long enough to MC you... 

Actually, I remember doing this place with a friend of mine to get him up to speed in this expansion. I was using my protection warrior to squire him around and everything was going smoothly until Baroness. Yep, MC. Beat the living daylights out of him. I told him to just use repentence, but I guess the non-stop stuns kinda monkey-wrenched that. I remember that hang dog tone on Skype, "But I couldn't do anything!" Have to remind him of it periodically when he starts getting froggy on his ret pally.

Her MC is done at a specific health point, not time.

[Lantyssa]

My first time through was on my 80 DK with an 80 Fury Warrior.  I didn't know she mind controlled.  Since I was a fairly high damage single-target spec, I destroyed the Warrior when I got MC'd.  It was a bit of WTF with a lot of laughs.  I did hurt her feelings though with how quickly I tore through her.

[fuser]

I just want to be able to solo Moroes on my Rogue so I can get that damn Mongoose recipe already.... without respeccing from mutilate to a "doge/evasion" thing :P (which is possible)

It's a 100% drop rate now, just ask a friend or two.

[Xuri]

I could do that. But I could also respec to a combat/subtley spec based on ghoststrike, dodge and preparation, buy a new set of glyphs to support the new spec, enchant both my weapons with Lifeward, invite a level 14 random player in westfall so I could convert my group to a raid and then proceed to try solo him. But that would be stupid without a near full set of 264lvl items, of course. So I won't try that again.

The main problem is that I'm now playing on an European server from Montreal, which means there's a -6 hour time difference between when I'm playing and when my friends/guildies back in Norway are playing. Though it's not as huge a problem during the weekends, so maybe I will harass one of them to accompany me.

[fuser]

So H:PoS group comes up tonight, I'm paired with healer/tank combo who proceed to berate the group with their broken english lingo "HAI FATTYS XD", and MT demands that he wants certain loot. First pull is weird and they skip the pat to head up on the right, needless to say the healer aggros the pat and it proceeds to turn into a cluster fsck. I end up dying due to rolling dots on the first mobs pulled as the tank turned all aggro onto the mobs the healer pulled, during the fight the healer is like run.

I ask the healer for a rez, as the group survives and he says run. I say WTF and ask again for rez as they are out of combat. The healer jumps down with the tank to pull more and responds run lazy. Top DPS ret pally drops group and I start the run back as theirs no way for them to heal me. I'm not even back in the instance when they requeue and I hit no. Tank says ok 4man, healer says that I'm leaving, and the tank responds good.

Needless to say I'm pretty ticked as I threw a soulstone on the healer and did a ritual of souls for the group so its not like I'm a dink on shards or helping the group. I don't mind running back if a group wipes but hey all bets are off now. I say "no im just going to keep hitting no to you kick me". Healer responds wait and stay there. Spidey sense predicts incoming wipe, and I teleport out.

I wander off for a drink and watch some TV passing by every once and a while to not AFK. The the next 20mins is the healer/tank spamming me in messages, berating my spec, dps, that I need to l2play, and my dick  

They wipe on Garfrost then the group later splits.

[Shrike]

Well, since you brought up HPoS, here's mine:

Saturday evening. I'm on my DK for my frosties. As luck would have it, it's HPoS. Joy.

There's a variety of low level stupidity apparent from the getgo. Someone is whining about loot. Someone aggros a couple of trash groups. Couple of DPS die on Garfrost (Um, don't follow the DK; I can heal myself through a 10 stack, you can't). More whining about repair bills. Then we hit the mother load. The tank, who up to this point has seemed relatively sane, suddenly decides to skip the ramp without telling anyone. This is a huge pet peeve of mine. If you're going to attempt this idiocy, at least say something. Of course, he doesn't. Aggros a bazillion mobs, group is split, wipe unsues (though I did manage to kill the first two casters). After everyone eventually wanders back, the facts of life are laid out and it's round two. We lose dumbass dps pally on the way up (actually, this guy manages to die on every pull but the last one, which amused me greatly). Apparantly, no one aside from me has heard of interupts. I have AMS, IBF, and 32k hps; I can eat those shadowbolts--you can't. Shaman healer fails to drop cleansing and he and the mage expire to the DoT after the fight. I smile quietly to myself. More whining about repair bills. The rest of the run goes pretty smoothly, other than the dumbass mage bugging the last boss, which ensures even more whining about repair bills.

This is really about par for the course for PoS. I don't really like dumping instances, but this one is rapidly approaching a zero tolerance policy for me. Really, the place isn't that hard, but it does not reward stupidity at all. Kinda makes you wonder how some of these folks are going to fare come Cataclysm.

[Sheepherder]

 

[Ironwood]

Am I missing something ?   

[Rendakor]

Looks like some huntard ragequit a group right before the final boss because they didn't get the pally buff they wanted.

[apocrypha]

So.. why wouldn't your brother give the hunter the buff he wanted? Was he just being an arse?

[Ingmar]

You see a lot of lazy pallies who won't be bothered to put anything but kings up on people, even if something else would be a better choice. I don't know why that is.

[Wolf]

I would quit your brother's group and hope he gets some slacker so he can spend half an hour more in there :)

[Selby]

Was he just being an arse?

Probably.  Most people in this game are total dicks.

[Shrike]

A lot of people don't know what they want, but will still argue about it. I had an enhance shaman the other day that insisted on might, when kings is significantly better for them. Whatever.

I don't argue about it, much. Blessings are usually a one time thing in daily stuffs. Now totems, those I'll get pissy about.

[Morat20]

So.. why wouldn't your brother give the hunter the buff he wanted? Was he just being an arse?

Wasn't pulling his weight in DPS either.

Had a fucking nightmare of a HHoR run. Fucking die on trash, no one bothers to rez me. (I got caught in some fucking AoE. I don't think the healer noticed anyone but the tank. No, I didn't screw up and no I didn't have aggro. Just three back-to-back crits as I was moving to get a shot in). I run back in, miss getting credit for the second boss while listening to them fucking wonder why this boss is taking forever to kill. Maybe it was one of your DPS you didn't bother to fucking REZ after the trash and before the boss, or the second DPS you lost mid-fight. Whatever.

Get back as they're moving down the hallway, start running. Manage the first two walls, die on the third -- just not enough DPS. Not sure what happened. Rez, try it again. Jaina bugs on the second wall -- she won't bring the wall down, so we just stand there waiting for the Lich King to walk up and kill us.

Third run went okay.

Came back later, did Heroic -- the one with Bran -- Hall of Stone?. Fucking tank goes AFK mid goddamn fight while defending Bran. I am not fucking joking. Not a DC, he actually types "AFK -- Back in a bit" a minute into the fight. We, of course, wipe. He gets back says "Oh, hey, what happened? We wiped" and someone tells him "Yes, because you fucking went AFK" and he responds with "Oh, I forgot your gear sucks".

We kick his ass, get another tank, and finish up nicely. Ironically, he had the lowest GS of the group. Got a guild invite from one of the guys we were grouped with as we waited on another tank, and the guild seems like a good fit so far.

[Shrike]

You guys are pushing all sorts of bad memory buttons.

We had a tank in HHoS get an attitude and camp out at Brann. I was on my shaman at the time and said, screw it, we're doing the event. So it was old school shaman tanking with a 4 man (wolves when the going gets tough and a LOT of dps). Only lost the mage (the true sign of a successful run) and we did finish it. Kicked the tank at that point (was still /afk), and got another just before I was going to try and tank the last boss. Now that would have been interesting...

[Dren]

We kick his ass, get another tank, and finish up nicely. Ironically, he had the lowest GS of the group...

Really, tanks do not need super great gear for heroic 5m tanking.  It is more about player skill than anything.  Grabbing agro, getting them bunched up together, grabbing agro that you lose, etc.  Know the pulls and non-pulls.  Understand whether your healer can handle your pace and if not, adjust.  All those things are about the player, not the gear.  You can mostly just take your quested blues and enchant/gem to a point of being competent.  If you don't have the quested blues, most of what you need can be made or purchased on the AH.  Get your 540 def to avoid crushing blows and you're pretty much golden.

[Ingmar]

I had an enhance shaman the other day that insisted on might, when kings is significantly better for them. Whatever.

Messing around with Rawr, actually, if you can only have one, imp. might appears to be better than kings, starting from a self-buffed-only spot. I used a guy I know who is mostly in 264 gear (only has 2 pc t10 though). Once you kick in a bunch of other raid buffs kings will pass it, but you probably don't have all that in a heroic.

And for a shaman in crappy starter gear might should be MUCH better.

[Morat20]

Really, tanks do not need super great gear for heroic 5m tanking. 

I've never cared about GS. However, my point was the fucking tank goes AFK mid boss fight, leave a hunter, a 'lock, a shadow priest and a healing shaman (forgot the spec) to deal with it.

When he comes back to the wipe, he proceeds to blame our fucking gear for the wipe. Not the "sudden absense of a tank that, you know, moves and shit".

[Sheepherder]

So.. why wouldn't your brother give the hunter the buff he wanted? Was he just being an arse?

You see a lot of lazy pallies who won't be bothered to put anything but kings up on people, even if something else would be a better choice. I don't know why that is.

As I recall they wanted Wisdom and had been bitching about it the entire time.

Kings is the better choice when dealing with people who may rate highly on the derpaderp scale.  It's a health/mana buff by <10%, it's a regen buff by ~15%, it's DPS contribution is roughly 196 DPS less than Might at most (14 AP = 1 DPS via auto-attack, assume AA = nominally 25% of total character DPS :. 550 / 14 * 4 = 196).

Get your 540 def to avoid crushing blows critical strikes and you're pretty much golden.

Crushes are not mitigated by defense rating.  They're mitigated by being level 79 in a world where the highest level NPC is 82 or Boss.

[Shrike]

535 def to get crits off the table vs. lvl82 bosses. 540 to push crits off the table for lvl83 bosses (raiding).

Also, I wouldn't rely on Rawr for good numbers with enhance. Rawr's main utility is to make gear/gem/enchant changes easy for export to enhsim to see what your real dps will be. Although now I"m kind of curious. Might have to fire up enhsim to see what the difference is. Only problem is I'm a full T10 shaman--most I run into in instances are T9 at best. I might still have my old gear files, though...hmmm...

[Fordel]

People toss Kings onto everyone because it's universal. It's a fine 'default' to fall back onto. Now why you wouldn't give someone a different blessing if they asked for it? /shrug.

[Sheepherder]

People toss Kings onto everyone because it's universal. It's a fine 'default' to fall back onto. Now why you wouldn't give someone a different blessing if they asked for it? /shrug.

For the lulz.

[SurfD]

I have been tempted to throw my DK's "tank" set on and queue for heroics just to see what kind of reaction i get.  My tank set being a mix of 4piece 245 t9, a few 200 dungeon epics, a few heroic icc 10 pieces, and a bunch of blue rings and trinkets, all of it completely un-gemmed and un-enchanted.   I am like 1 point over 540 defense, with about 30k hp self buffed.

I guarantee i would probably be better then half the tanks i pug with, and the laughs i would get from the people bitching about my lack of gems and enchants would still probably be worth it.

[Zetor]

Yeah, I don't have a tank spec on my DK (or much of a tank set, it's all unenchanted / badly gemmed blues with a few i200 and i219 epics, just over def cap with the gargoyle runeforge), I kept it around purely as a DPS character for 95% of its lifetime. I get enough tankage on my druid and warrior!

That said, when the Frost Lord event was going on, I went 'tank' (read: switched to frost presence in my dps spec with my barely-defcapped ghetto tank set) to get shorter queues. Little did I know that Ahune's adds were immune to Icy Touch (and therefore the biggest DK snap aggro ability), ffffuuuuuuuu... not that it mattered, though.

[Morat20]

I don't even bother checking people's gear unless they're utterly failing at their job, or are doing awesome at it (especially if it's another hunter).

Otherwise, I figure they know their class until they show they don't. I've got so much freakin' gold it's not like repair costs matter. Then again, feign death is my friend....

[Dren]

Really, tanks do not need super great gear for heroic 5m tanking. 

I've never cared about GS. However, my point was the fucking tank goes AFK mid boss fight, leave a hunter, a 'lock, a shadow priest and a healing shaman (forgot the spec) to deal with it.

When he comes back to the wipe, he proceeds to blame our fucking gear for the wipe. Not the "sudden absense of a tank that, you know, moves and shit".

Yeah, that was crappy.  I was just commenting on what you said about his replacement.  I'm not surprised he did well even with the lowest GS in the group.  As long as they are competent tank players, the gear is secondary (to a point.)  Of course, an asshole with a GS of 6800 will still fail like in your first tank's case.  Yet, they will make it all about the "rest of you" and your crappy GS!

[Dren]

I have been tempted to throw my DK's "tank" set on and queue for heroics just to see what kind of reaction i get.  My tank set being a mix of 4piece 245 t9, a few 200 dungeon epics, a few heroic icc 10 pieces, and a bunch of blue rings and trinkets, all of it completely un-gemmed and un-enchanted.   I am like 1 point over 540 defense, with about 30k hp self buffed.

I guarantee i would probably be better then half the tanks i pug with, and the laughs i would get from the people bitching about my lack of gems and enchants would still probably be worth it.

That gear is enough.  I suggest you just start doing it and learn.  Ignore comments and keep at it.  0 queue time, yo.  Get your 2 frosties a day, and all the Triumph you can stand and use.  There are plenty of adequate healers that will cover your initial mistakes.

[Lantyssa]

I have been tempted to throw my DK's "tank" set on and queue for heroics just to see what kind of reaction i get.  My tank set being a mix of 4piece 245 t9, a few 200 dungeon epics, a few heroic icc 10 pieces, and a bunch of blue rings and trinkets, all of it completely un-gemmed and un-enchanted.   I am like 1 point over 540 defense, with about 30k hp self buffed.

You'd be more than fine as long as your healer was semi-competent.  I tanked with less on everything through H:FoS.  (Okay, we died on the final boss my first time, but I didn't know the fight from a tank's perspective and my gear was even worse.  Even then I'd have survived if I hadn't taken a 25k hit towards the end.)

[Morat20]

You know, my 20ish pally is looking more and more likely to be turned into a tank. It seems a forgiving time to learn how to tank, at least. And a forgiving class.

Might wait until I get the BoA stuff for it, though.

I agree with Dren -- do heroic randoms. You can practically get a piece of T9 or heirloom gear just playing on a Saturday. My weekday play is literally "Go to Outland. Look for khorium and farm all the fel iron, adamante, and motes while waiting for heroics to pop". I tend play an hour or two, and come out of it with 2 frost badges, 10 or so triumphs, and two hundred or so gold in materials. Sometimes I'll do argent dawn and Kala'uk dailies instead, or before.

Fucking khorium. Expensive, hard to fucking find, and I need a ton of it.

Speaking of -- what the hell is primal wind used for? It sells for a fucking ton on the AH. I realize it's a bit hard to acquire (I tend to find enough for one or two primals when flying around Nagrand for khorium - -since I also manage two or three stacks of adamante and fel iron doing that, that's not much).

[SurfD]

Speaking of -- what the hell is primal wind used for? It sells for a fucking ton on the AH. I realize it's a bit hard to acquire (I tend to find enough for one or two primals when flying around Nagrand for khorium - -since I also manage two or three stacks of adamante and fel iron doing that, that's not much).

Primal Air is used in most of the TBC agility enchants, The DPS type Leg Armor Kits, And almost all of the levle 70 Epic Crafted DPS gear.

[WindupAtheist]

I can't sell khorium for shit on my server.