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[WoopeeTuralyon]

I bought my first 232 armor...the shoulders. :) Wiped out all but 3 of my emblems of truimph. But I'm trying to gear up so I can do heroics, so I can send heirlooms to my alts..:)

Hmmm, I'd get all the gear you need from triumph emblems before downgrading them to get heirlooms. But it's your account, and if you like alts heirlooms certainly make leveling faster and easier.

[Morat20]

I am planning to gear up before buying alt stuff. If nothing else, I need to get the minimum gearscores to hit the daily heroics.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

I am planning to gear up before buying alt stuff. If nothing else, I need to get the minimum gearscores to hit the daily heroics.

Oh yeah, super annoying when you first hit 80 being unable to queue for heroics. And my phone is really staarting to get on my nerves! I press a single button and it puts in two or three of that letter, or it doesn't put in a letter at all.

[Lantyssa]

If you get far enough in the Argent Tournament you can get heirlooms there, too.

[Morat20]

If you get far enough in the Argent Tournament you can get heirlooms there, too.

I have 10/15 of those stupid signet things you have to get just to keep advancing through the quest chain. Three days of dailies. I'm also trying Winterspring, but unforunately our Alliance side is full idiot. I'm not sure how Winterspring is SUPPOSED to work, but I'm pretty sure us all spawning in at the same graveyard surrounded by 20+ seige engines when on OFFENSE is probably not right.

[Fordel]

Wintergrasp.


Winterspring is a level 55-60 zone.


Your issue doesn't sound like idiots, it sounds like population imbalance.

[Rendakor]

I am planning to gear up before buying alt stuff. If nothing else, I need to get the minimum gearscores to hit the daily heroics.

Oh yeah, super annoying when you first hit 80 being unable to queue for heroics. And my phone is really staarting to get on my nerves! I press a single button and it puts in two or three of that letter, or it doesn't put in a letter at all.

It's only annoying until you get into one of those ICC heroics with an undergeared tank or healer. And then you'll be cursing the gods, wishing that the GS requirement to get in was HIGHER.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Wintergrasp.


Winterspring is a level 55-60 zone.


Your issue doesn't sound like idiots, it sounds like population imbalance.

O' abandoned Winterspring, how I miss thy fair white landscape. Haha, I remember my warrior's days there in vanilla, going in a cave and finding a random elite dragon or two. Or falling in a ravine filled with elite giants.

And yes, the GS requirement should be higher for the ICC heroics, particularly HoR, where bad dps makes it impossible.

[Morat20]

Wintergrasp.


Winterspring is a level 55-60 zone.


Your issue doesn't sound like idiots, it sounds like population imbalance.

Yeah, I always mix those up. :)Possibly, although I thought Alliance outnumbered Horde rather savegly. Oh well. I'm collecting emblems, have started on heroics, and need to figure out where to get a better gun/crossbow/bow -- although given my crossbow skill is 1/400, maybe avoid that.

I think at 450 I can craft one. I also got a Jeeves schematic today.

[Rendakor]

There's a 219 Gun from the Black Knight in H ToC5, as well as one from Tyrannus in Reg PoS. The LK event in Reg HoR drops a 219 bow.

Krick and Ick in H PoS drop a 232 Xbow.

[Fordel]

Yeah, I always mix those up. :)Possibly, although I thought Alliance outnumbered Horde rather savegly. Oh well. I'm collecting emblems, have started on heroics, and need to figure out where to get a better gun/crossbow/bow -- although given my crossbow skill is 1/400, maybe avoid that.

It depends on the server. Some servers are heavily Alliance weighted, others are Horde.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

On lots of servers Alliance outnumber Horde. Like 8:1. But I guess that's not every server.

[Rendakor]

Andorhal is Horde-dominated; WG is frequently 20-5 or so. Our whole battlegroup (Stormstrike) seems to have more Horde than Alliance, as our PVP queues in almost all brackets are very long (20m+).

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Andorhal is Horde-dominated; WG is frequently 20-5 or so. Our whole battlegroup (Stormstrike) seems to have more Horde than Alliance, as our PVP queues in almost all brackets are very long (20m+).

Rendakor is in my battlegroup! What are your characters' names? I might've seen you in a random or two.

[Rendakor]

Aryx, Aryshtarix, Xaryn, Ary, Zankoku, and Yhbt are my 80s. Karox and Azhala are my lower level toons. All horde side.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Aryx, Aryshtarix, Xaryn, Ary, Zankoku, and Yhbt are my 80s. Karox and Azhala are my lower level toons. All horde side.

Oh, all mine are Alliance 

Except my troll DK on Stormrage, but that's not even my account, I just leveled the char.

[Rendakor]

I don't do enough PVP to pretend I might've seen you in one.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Oh naw, I haven't PvPed on my main since 49... wouldn't have seen you there.

[Morat20]

Alliance just sucks at PvP all across my server. All there is to it. :) Back in the single-server days, Alliance only ever won AV. WSG and AB was just constant Horde rolling over the Alliance. I did manage to hang around at a win on Strand, though. :)

Hey, instance question -- I was doing heroic Culling of Strat -- the tank said something about how long it had taken us to get there (first tank had started, quit, we had to wait, etc) and was worried about taking the final boss down.

Is there some connection between how long it takes you to get there and how strong the boss is?

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Alliance just sucks at PvP all across my server. All there is to it. :) Back in the single-server days, Alliance only ever won AV. WSG and AB was just constant Horde rolling over the Alliance. I did manage to hang around at a win on Strand, though. :)

Hey, instance question -- I was doing heroic Culling of Strat -- the tank said something about how long it had taken us to get there (first tank had started, quit, we had to wait, etc) and was worried about taking the final boss down.

Is there some connection between how long it takes you to get there and how strong the boss is?

Are you sure he was talking about the last boss? You get an extra emblem and a bronze drake if you beat the. 25 minute timer and kill the Infinite Corruptor or whatever he's called, right before the last boss. As far as I know, Mal'ganis doesn't get stronger if you take longer.

[Rendakor]

Woopee's probably right and he meant the Infinite Corruptor; if you don't get there within 25m you miss out on a badge and a mount.

[Morat20]

Woopee's probably right and he meant the Infinite Corruptor; if you don't get there within 25m you miss out on a badge and a mount.

That must have been it. I'm a little...low-geared for heroics. I'm pulling, fully buffed, about 1800 to 1900 DPS. However, fastest way to gear up further is...heroic instances. (Since I get 2 Frost for the first random, then 2 triumphs after that). I kinda went overboard this weekend, insofar as I'm not going to be able to play much for the next week or so unless I can figure out a way to elevate my foot while on my desktop.

I managed to snag a decent stat-stick off of...something. Blue staff, of all things, that had massive bonuses to agility, stamina, and AP. It was pretty obviously a hunter weapon (no, not a joke. It was all +attack, +agility. No +spell, no +mana regen, nothing) but I don't think I'd ever seen a staff setup for a hunter. My hunter's skill was 1/400 (I'm just glad I made sure to buy all the weapon training) and has risen to...46/400. I need to go wang things in Zul'Farrak (still farming mageweave, plus the Mojo that drops there sells well) and get it up.

I think it was a heroic where I got it, not sure. I also managed to get a BoE purple plate something that'll go to much needed cash. I have the feeling making Jeeves is going to be expensive.

I'm enjoying the heroics. Loken as a hunter in heroic is a fucking bitch. There's something to that fight I'm missing, other than getting as close as possible to shoot.

[Dren]

Anything above 1500 is fine for heroics.  The rest of the team will typically make up the difference.  You'll get flack for the low DPS, but don't let it bother you.

Loken is hard if you don't have a good healer to mass heal everyone or bubble, etc.  Pally tanks should be soaking that damage up with their cooldown.  That's what I do anyway.  If the group DPS is decent, he should only get maybe one or two of those AOE blasts off before he dies.  If it is taking longing than that, then you will definitely have people dieing without a good healer.

[Rendakor]

There are a couple of Staves with Agi on them out there; they're designed for Hunters and Feral druids.

[Shrike]

Is there some connection between how long it takes you to get there and how strong the boss is?

No, but there is a correlation between how much the community thinks a certain instance sucks and how long it can take to get a group there (if you're running a specific dungeon). I've noted that Occulus (which I detest and bail on regularly), CoS, OK, HoR (heh), and ToC all have a lot of negative vibes around them. I happen to love CoS, but I've joined a lot of "group in progess" there in my paladin tank. A LOT. And my group usually seems really relieved when CoS goes smoothly. Even the sub-900dps wankers.

Just saw the comment about making Jeeves. You have no idea. Jeeves is a royal pain to make. It's totally worth it, though. I have four miners, so I had a lot of material laying about (/coughkhorium/cough). If you've got to mine that up from scratch...weeeeeeelll...might be easier to farm gold and buy from the AH.

[Morat20]

I've got a lot of crap sitting around, but I know I'm low on Khorium. (Only like 5 bars of it). However, I have absolutely no problems with taking some empty bags and spending a weekend flying around TBC zones gathering materials. Whatever's not needed for Jeeves I can sell to buy what I need.

Now that I'm doing instances again, I've noticed some patterns with bad groups.

Fucking tanks who bail. It's always the fucking tank. Maybe he's pissy about repair costs, maybe he just wasn't likeing the speed of the run, maybe the priest's strange obsession with his mana levels just pisses him off. But he bails. And if he's a REAL fucking dick, he'll run around and aggro everyone then bail. I zoned INTO that, when everyone in creation was attacking us. I got the "the tank aggroed everyone" thing. How he got out, I'm not sure. Bubble-hearthed? Can you even teleport out in combat? Who knows. Maybe he just suicided knowing we'd all be fucked.

People going AFK all the fucking time, for lengthy periods of time. I felt bad because I asked for a 2 minute break because I had to answer the door. That's nothing compared to folks who go AFK for 5 or 10 minutes, with no warning. (On the other hand, I had a nice group who actually kept me in the group despite me getting booted from the server. I logged back in and zoned right in. On the other hand, they were so insanely overgeared they didn't need 5 people for a heroic).

People who don't know where they're going. Admittedly, this is mostly sunken temple. I bailed on a group whose tank told me that no, you didn't have to do all the upper tier bosses, then got himself killed by jumping down and aggoring everying in the middle.

Also, I feel kinda lame as hunter DPS. I switch to my 50 mage and I'm doing some 40% or more of the total damage. Of course, that's all frost-specced blizzard. I'm so in love with the frost spec that I'm regretting the points I put in arcane to get clearcasting.

Still, I have noticed my DPS has significantly improved now that I added an addon to notify me to move out of viper when I'm topped up. (It's annoying as shit when I have viper on and get on, say, a Dragon on Occulus though) and misdirection is a lot more useful than a thought. Misdirect onto tank, arcane shot, then volley the group. Lots of instant aggro.

[Xuri]

Occulus used to be a bitch, and was at the top of my list of "most hated heroic instances" - but recently it's been pretty straightforward. People generally have some idea of what to do, and as long as the tank knows where to go it's actually a short and sweet instance.

[Morat20]

Occulus used to be a bitch, and was at the top of my list of "most hated heroic instances" - but recently it's been pretty straightforward. People generally have some idea of what to do, and as long as the tank knows where to go it's actually a short and sweet instance.

I've had pretty good luck with it. It was close the first time I went through on heroic, but mostly because the guy taking over as leader didn't bother with making sure he had the right mix of dragons or setting up a time stop rotation.

Also, I nearly fucking died because I didn't know Heroic had some weird ass summon. Luckily I noticed everyone else moving away and followed. It seems heroics add in more elements of positioning. (I consider a group a 'good group' if someone, ANYONE, asks before aggroing a boss if "Everyone knows how to do this fight?" and actually waits for an answer).

[Selby]

Occulus used to be a bitch, and was at the top of my list of "most hated heroic instances" - but recently it's been pretty straightforward. People generally have some idea of what to do, and as long as the tank knows where to go it's actually a short and sweet instance.

The biggest problem with the old way it was done was that your drakes didn't scale at all with your gear.  So the n00b in all greens and 219'd out elite raider all did the same damage and had the same health pool.  This was frustrating because the mobs sometimes hit hard and if all of the healing and tanking wasn't on the ball (in a role you'd never seen before until you did this instance) then a wipe was almost guaranteed.  The same way with Malygos too, which is why people never do that raid unless they want the title.

Once they made the above mentioned changes (gear scaling and semi-reduced damage from certain mobs) it became MUCH easier, but people still complain and instantly bail on it.  I personally like Oculus.

[Xuri]

Ah, wasn't aware of the scaling with gear-stuff. That certainly explains why it's so much easier nowadays :P

[Rendakor]

I don't hate Occulus, but I don't bail on it instantly anymore either.

[Ironwood]

Nor me.  Extra badges and, frankly, it's a piece of piss these days.  Win/Win.

[Sjofn]

My main problem with Occulus was actually the bailers more than anything the instance itself did. That said, it is still my least favorite, so I still whine when it pops. 

[Selby]

I still bitch about Old Kingdom too.  And Halls of Reflection unless I'm running with friends.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

My main problem with Occulus was actually the bailers more than anything the instance itself did. That said, it is still my least favorite, so I still whine when it pops. 

My only whining and occasional insta-bailing comes in HoR. That place is not fun.