Bad Groups

[Merusk]

I still bitch about Old Kingdom too.  And Halls of Reflection unless I'm running with friends.

OK sucks because of the mandatory 3 mind controls on the end boss.  The packs of elemental death and upper level spiders aren't a problem so long as someone takes charge and makes sure the rest of the group aren't idiots about aggro and interrupts.

[Sjofn]

My main problem with Occulus was actually the bailers more than anything the instance itself did. That said, it is still my least favorite, so I still whine when it pops. 

My only whining and occasional insta-bailing comes in HoR. That place is not fun.

I have a love/hate with HoR. If it's a good group, I enjoy it. If it's not, I want to kill myself. And I hate PUG tanking it because I feel PRESSURE.

[Lantyssa]

The only instances I really hated were Halls of Stone and Lightning.  I didn't mind anything else.

That must have been it. I'm a little...low-geared for heroics. I'm pulling, fully buffed, about 1800 to 1900 DPS. However, fastest way to gear up further is...heroic instances. (Since I get 2 Frost for the first random, then 2 triumphs after that). I kinda went overboard this weekend, insofar as I'm not going to be able to play much for the next week or so unless I can figure out a way to elevate my foot while on my desktop.

Uhhhh.... you're more than fine for heroics.  You actually show concern about being competent, too.  Don't sweat it.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

My main problem with Occulus was actually the bailers more than anything the instance itself did. That said, it is still my least favorite, so I still whine when it pops. 

My only whining and occasional insta-bailing comes in HoR. That place is not fun.

I have a love/hate with HoR. If it's a good group, I enjoy it. If it's not, I want to kill myself. And I hate PUG tanking it because I feel PRESSURE.

A good group tends to make the pains dissipate, eh?

[Sjofn]

Well, I actually like how HoR is structured and such (although I fucking hate Jaina in there because she is a blubbering twit). But it turns all wipey if people are dumb, and that dampens my enthusiasm.

[Ingmar]

With a good group I think it is maybe the most fun instance in the game.

[apocrypha]

The last phase, legging it up the hill away from Mr L. King is awesome. I crank the music up for that bit. Plus, there's extra hilarity if it's a guild group since one of the guild is terrified of it and gibbers with fear the whole way up 

I've never tanked it though, deliberately not handed the quest in in PoS on my DK tank so that I never get it as a random. I will overcome that fear soon I think. Love healing it with my druid, it's harder work with my pally though.

[Zetor]

The last phase, legging it up the hill away from Mr L. King is awesome. I crank Yakety Sax up for that bit.

Fixed!

I get HOR all the time. It's no sweat on my DPS characters (even though some ICC25-geared DK wanted to votekick me one time a because I dared have sub-5000 gearscore... then I outdamaged him  ) or my disc priest (shackle and not-reduced-by-healing-debuff bubbles make things a lot smoother), but tanking it on my feral druid is a freaking chore still, especially if DPS are underperforming.

[Dren]

I still bitch about Old Kingdom too.  And Halls of Reflection unless I'm running with friends.

OK sucks because of the mandatory 3 mind controls on the end boss.  The packs of elemental death and upper level spiders aren't a problem so long as someone takes charge and makes sure the rest of the group aren't idiots about aggro and interrupts.

It is 2 MC's now for OK, but it still is annoying. 

[Dren]

Started doing more random heroics lately after a well needed 2 month break.  Last night we had a healer quit our 4 person guild group because our elemental shaman didn't drop the totem he/she thought he should have dropped (He hit the wrong "call" by accident.)  Well, first he/she just let him die.  I guess it was to "teach him a lesson."

That just blows me away.  It is much easier to me to just heal through everything than to pay attention to how others are playing.  I might start noticing if people are dieing or I'm constantly OOM, but proactively judging people's performance?  I mean this was at the very first pull of the instance of trash!  Our pally switched to healing and we got a DK dps to pop in and finished it up quick.

Teaching people how to do it is one thing.  Letting them die and then bailing the group is another.  I never knew being a healer in WoW could satisfy freaky peoples' sadistic tendencies. 

They need to start counting the number of drops a character does and put those people into each others groups.  Then they should record the chat logs from the group.  Finally, at Blizzcon, have actors do a live reinactment of the "scene" on stage.  Now that would be DRAMA!

[Selby]

Well, first he/she just let him die.  I guess it was to "teach him a lesson."

As a healer I never rely on other people to do my job well.  I would take it as a personal insult if I couldn't heal with the "wrong" totem down.  Your 5th person must have seriously had issues, but then there are a lot of people who do.  I've been kicked from heroics as top DPS because someone didn't like the way I "AoE'd too much" and said "I'm gonna enjoy kicking you, asshole" to me, which I thought was REALLY strange from some other DPS (the tank never lost aggro, the mobs died fast, etc).  What was even stranger was in a group of 5 people all from different servers, the vote to kick me still passed?

[Wolf]

Some people just don't like aoe i guess. One of my guild's rls has this especalliy bad. He insists on noone using aoe on most trash pulls in icc. Naturally raids are looooong.

His case is not helped by him being an exceptionally bad warrior tank. I've pulled marrowgar and p2 lich king off him :( can't wait for cata and being in a 10m guild again.

[Shrike]

Mostly, I don't pay much attention to the other people in PuGs, unless something isn't going well. Then I look around to see what the cause is. Generally, the only thing I look for is how many hit points the tank has. If they have around 40k, I will assume they are geared enough that they can hold aggro from me reasonably well. If they're 30-39k, I might have to watch Omen some. If they're sub-30K, then I get a queasy feeling and mostly just auto-attack. Other than that, if we're moving along and people (other than mages and/or rogues) aren't dying, then I'm happy.

As for being a shaman, you'll take what totems I give you and that's the way it is. My totems, my way. And whiney, silk-panty-wearing caster-types don't merit any consideration. You get SoE, WF, magma, and whatever water totem strikes my fancy--and you'll damned well like it, smile, and politely ask for more of the same. Period. End of story. I might deign to use other situational totems as circumstances demand--and casters can't demind diddly-squat. In fact, I remember a couple of good arguments with squishy, dress-wearing, self-important assholes in TBC over this very subject. My totems. If I were resto or something, I might actually give a shit what you want...acutally, no, I wouldn't. It's just that our needs would coincide. Lucky you. Since I'm enhancement, sucks to be you. So sorry (not).

[Sjofn]

The last phase, legging it up the hill away from Mr L. King is awesome. I crank Yakety Sax up for that bit.

Fixed!

I get HOR all the time. It's no sweat on my DPS characters (even though some ICC25-geared DK wanted to votekick me one time a because I dared have sub-5000 gearscore... then I outdamaged him  ) or my disc priest (shackle and not-reduced-by-healing-debuff bubbles make things a lot smoother), but tanking it on my feral druid is a freaking chore still, especially if DPS are underperforming.

Yeah, trying to tank that as feral is annoying as fuck. Not impossible or anything, but having no really good way to make the caster mobs stop being assholes can be irritating. Deathgrip and strangulate and whatever the hell my DK's interupt is called have spoiled me. 

[WoopeeTuralyon]

My comp randomly slowed down so much I couldn't play, right as I got into my daily random! I got votekicked of course.  So much for getting it done real quick before going to bed.

[Ashamanchill]

The last phase, legging it up the hill away from Mr L. King is awesome. I crank Yakety Sax up for that bit.

Fixed!

I get HOR all the time. It's no sweat on my DPS characters (even though some ICC25-geared DK wanted to votekick me one time a because I dared have sub-5000 gearscore... then I outdamaged him  ) or my disc priest (shackle and not-reduced-by-healing-debuff bubbles make things a lot smoother), but tanking it on my feral druid is a freaking chore still, especially if DPS are underperforming.

Yeah, trying to tank that as feral is annoying as fuck. Not impossible or anything, but having no really good way to make the caster mobs stop being assholes can be irritating. Deathgrip and strangulate and whatever the hell my DK's interupt is called have spoiled me. 

Its definatley one of the funnier ones to Druid tank though, basically running around like a chicken with it's head cut of spamming your swipe button like your playing an arcade game from the late eighties.

[dd0029]

So, I finally managed to level via BGs to 80.  BGs as a fresh 80 suck.  So, dungeons ho!

First, badges come really, really fast now.  I have been dugeoning all day today, but I have gotten something like 70 badges today.

Anyway, have seen a couple of bad tanks and some other random bads, but this last one was the best.  Doing UP, at the first event boss before Skadi.  Tank says don't click the orb after a warrior already clicked the orb.  So tank goes and sits in the hall ignoring the event.  Party wipes.  Healer and tank get into it.  We start back and tank runs to get the pat in the hall.  Healer decides to not heal the pally tank and click the orb.  Sigh.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

So, I finally managed to level via BGs to 80.  BGs as a fresh 80 suck.  So, dungeons ho!

First, badges come really, really fast now.  I have been dugeoning all day today, but I have gotten something like 70 badges today.

Anyway, have seen a couple of bad tanks and some other random bads, but this last one was the best.  Doing UP, at the first event boss before Skadi.  Tank says don't click the orb after a warrior already clicked the orb.  So tank goes and sits in the hall ignoring the event.  Party wipes.  Healer and tank get into it.  We start back and tank runs to get the pat in the hall.  Healer decides to not heal the pally tank and click the orb.  Sigh.

What the hell! Stupid stupid people 

[Rendakor]

Finally got my lock to 80, and two awful attempts at heroics. First one is CoS; tank leaves immediately. 10 minutes go by, no new tank so I bail.

Next we get AN, which is usually nice and quick. Our tank pulls the first two groups, the stops for a sec and says "fuk". Then stands there afk for 2 minutes, before pulling all 3 of the Watchers. He barely survives, we down the first boss easily. As we're walking down the ramp to the second boss, the tank says "i cant play like this" and leaves group.   5 minute wait on a new tank, who pulls Hadronox while the spiders are still coming, and our dps is awful (two of us really badly geared), so of course we can't kill him before the healer dies, and leaves.

Edit to add: Just got H UK. At 4.6k GS I'm the best geared person in the group. Our tank pulls the first 2 mobs, goes afk for a min, then pulls the whole next room without a "back" or "inc". Wipe #1. He then proceeds to clear the entire circle in the forge area, losing hate left and right to me and the 4k GS hunter. We finally get into the room with the protodrakes, where he gets knocked into adds. Wipe #2, healer leaves, tank leaves, and I still haven't gotten my Frost badges.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Finally got my lock to 80, and two awful attempts at heroics. First one is CoS; tank leaves immediately. 10 minutes go by, no new tank so I bail.

Next we get AN, which is usually nice and quick. Our tank pulls the first two groups, the stops for a sec and says "fuk". Then stands there afk for 2 minutes, before pulling all 3 of the Watchers. He barely survives, we down the first boss easily. As we're walking down the ramp to the second boss, the tank says "i cant play like this" and leaves group.   5 minute wait on a new tank, who pulls Hadronox while the spiders are still coming, and our dps is awful (two of us really badly geared), so of course we can't kill him before the healer dies, and leaves.

Edit to add: Just got H UK. At 4.6k GS I'm the best geared person in the group. Our tank pulls the first 2 mobs, goes afk for a min, then pulls the whole next room without a "back" or "inc". Wipe #1. He then proceeds to clear the entire circle in the forge area, losing hate left and right to me and the 4k GS hunter. We finally get into the room with the protodrakes, where he gets knocked into adds. Wipe #2, healer leaves, tank leaves, and I still haven't gotten my Frost badges.

That AN tank must've been spilling food all over himself or something... or maybe the lighting of his basement was not to his liking  but why would you insta-leave CoS? You can pretty much finish it in the time you'd have to wait to re-queue...

[Wolf]

90% of tanks don't realise you can skip the RP nowadays. I can relate to be honest.

"For every Horde soldier that you killed, for every Alliance dog that fell, the Lich King's armies grew. Even now the valkyr work to raise your fallen as Scourge."   
*someone fails on the first add wave*

[apocrypha]

Some people just bail on dungeons they don't like. CoS, HoS, Occulus and HoR being the most common ones. If you've got an alt you just go do a dungeon on the alt and by the time you're done the random dungeon cooldown is done on your 1st char and you get an instant queue as tank.

[Paelos]

I'd bail on HoR in a PuG. There's just too many unknowns as a tank in that one to really bother with it if you're only trying to get one done for frost badges during the day. Occulus, I'd only bail on if somebody made it clearly evident that they had no idea how to get from point to point in the place. Some people cannot function in the Z axis on the basest of levels.

[Shrike]

Ahh, the joys of AN. I got to play crappy tank here last night.

I'm still not sure exactly what happened, but--as mentioned a bit earlier--I got 2/3 of the watchers and the boss in one pull. I saw the boss aggro and start moving with his posse, so I got back to wall and laid down the AoEs. I saw ardent defender pop up, but the healer was on the ball and the situation stabilized and we managed to finish it. Good healer. DPS was even paying attention (sorta--only lost one, probably to a skirmisher).

After the dust settled, the healer pipes up, "That was pretty cool!" I'm thinking, yeah, it was, wasn't it. Or it would have been if it'd be intentional. Still not sure why it went down the way it did, but I suspect maybe being a touch too close to the middle watcher group. Still, I saw the boss moving first, so it might have been dps tab-targetting issues. I've done that sort of thing before on my shaman, so it does happen.

[dd0029]

So, I finally managed to level via BGs to 80.  BGs as a fresh 80 suck.  So, dungeons ho!

First, badges come really, really fast now.  I have been dugeoning all day today, but I have gotten something like 70 badges today.

Anyway, have seen a couple of bad tanks and some other random bads, but this last one was the best.  Doing UP, at the first event boss before Skadi.  Tank says don't click the orb after a warrior already clicked the orb.  So tank goes and sits in the hall ignoring the event.  Party wipes.  Healer and tank get into it.  We start back and tank runs to get the pat in the hall.  Healer decides to not heal the pally tank and click the orb.  Sigh.

My very next run, the same thing happened.  But the tank and the tree say, fuck it, we can do 'em both.  So we did.

[proudft]

My wife & I were the bad group last night.  She is a new-to-tanking-bear, and I am the holy paladin and we're both like, two pieces of badge gear into 80.  We get Nexus, and we get to that part with the frozen dudes in the hallway.  That first solo guy dies fine.  Then the fun begins.

Through a combination of not-pulling-the-subsequent groups quiiiiite far enough back, and some odd wandering by the dps DK, we get the next set added in.   Then someone gets flung into the boss pack by that flinging thing they do.

I quickly lose the warlock.  My mana is fine but people are standing in whirlwinds.  We're in the loser pool, so people have like 13-15k health, and it's basically boss spin, hit once, second hit kills them.  About 30 seconds later I lose the mage.  I know they are thinking OH GOD THIS TANK IS HORRIBLE, but honestly, people, you standing up in front is not helping.

Now that we're down to three players, there is no way we can die, because apparently holy paladins are fucking broken.  My mana is going UP at this point.  Then the DK gets feared AGAIN and he has the damn run speed buff so he wanders merrily into a FOURTH group and instantly dies out of los.

So it's me and the bear versus about six dudes and the boss.  And we are doing fine.  Though it is clearly going to take forever, my mana is still high and we are clearly going to win.  Eventually.

However, our companions get so bored they release and start running back.  We are still fighting when they get back and then the warlock blunders into yet another whirlwind and dies again.  Oh well.  My initial feelings of guilt and/or sympathy at the poor placement in the beginning are now long gone.

So we win, and not one word was said by anyone.  Tee hee.

P.S. Holy paladins are fucking broken.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

I am utterly incapable of outhealing a geared holy pally on a boss fight. They can spam Holy Light for an ENTIRE boss fight, even long ones! That likely won't be the case in Cata though  us healers are going to have to pay more attention to our mana! Noes!

[Ingmar]

We healers.

[Xuri]

Waiting 15 minutes as DPS to get a tank for a random heroic is fun. Even more fun is when said tank leaves the group without a word after the first boss we slay (without any problems whatsoever) doesn't drop whatever loot he was after and we have to wait another 5-10 minutes for a replacement tank. -_-

[Merusk]

The solution is to play a class that can dps AND tank.   Throw on tank gear, farm heroics quickly and easily.

[Paelos]

The solution is to play a class that can dps AND tank.   Throw on tank gear, farm heroics quickly and easily.

No, no. Don't you get it? People love bitching about tanks that are arrogant/leave/bitch/suck. There are no obvious solutions to that. None.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that the grammer poolice were on patrol this evening.

[Sjofn]

The solution is to play a class that can dps AND tank.   Throw on tank gear, farm heroics quickly and easily.

No, no. Don't you get it? People love bitching about tanks that are arrogant/leave/bitch/suck. There are no obvious solutions to that. None.

C'mon, it IS obnoxious when some asshole does that. I can't begrudge people thinking tanks are assholes for ditching for no good reason.

I'm a saint, I'll even stay to tank when Ingmar accidently queues for the wrong instance and wants to ditch. 

[Rendakor]

I was just in H ToC5 on my lock. First boss goes smooth. Second, we get Eadic and the whole group eats every radiance except me, which means I get aggro. Soul-shattered the first one, died the second time, brezzed, got him down. On the Black Knight the tank, melee dps, and hunter all stood in the exploding ghoul pack and died. Me and the healer followed shortly thereafter. We run back, rebuff, and I die on pull. I click the pally tank, whoops, no Righteous Fury. RRRAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEE! Wipe again, then we down him. I can't wait 'til I don't need anything from these goddamn zones.

[Paelos]

The solution is to play a class that can dps AND tank.   Throw on tank gear, farm heroics quickly and easily.

No, no. Don't you get it? People love bitching about tanks that are arrogant/leave/bitch/suck. There are no obvious solutions to that. None.

C'mon, it IS obnoxious when some asshole does that. I can't begrudge people thinking tanks are assholes for ditching for no good reason.

I'm a saint, I'll even stay to tank when Ingmar accidently queues for the wrong instance and wants to ditch.  

I'll stick for almost anything except rampant stupidity or HoR. The problem is that tanks are the Judge/Jury/Executioner on whether a PuG is worthy of their time. It's the legions of dps queuing up that gave the assholes the power. My advice is always to be part of the solution if you don't like being bailed on. Or if it really pisses you off you can be part of the problem by rolling a tank and acting like a complete douchebag.

Either way shorter queues, yall!