Bad Groups

[WoopeeTuralyon]

Level 70's in Kara gear could do 1k dps, but an 80 in blues and greens can't? Sad.

Weren't people in Kara gear generally hard asses with more macros than they had actual abilities, who spent their cheeto-stained hours wringing every tiny theoretical ounce of DPS they could manage?

Kara was the baby raid!

Yeah... Kara is the easiest BC raid.

[Arrrgh]

Most of the bad tanks I got on my healer were over geared paladins who were too lazy/not paying enough attention to bother picking up adds.

And still people whine about DKs.

Bad tank clues are over geared paladin, human, and accent marks in the name. If you get a human paladin with accent marks as a tank just leave the group.

[Morat20]

Level 70's in Kara gear could do 1k dps, but an 80 in blues and greens can't? Sad.

Weren't people in Kara gear generally hard asses with more macros than they had actual abilities, who spent their cheeto-stained hours wringing every tiny theoretical ounce of DPS they could manage?

Kara was the baby raid!

Oops. :) I didn't raid TBC -- I stopped playing when I had mid-60s. When I reupped a few months ago, I actually had to wander through TBC for awhile. (I actually still have a TBC quest -- it's the one to go fishing to get the +20 pole. My fishing skills are still too low).

I'm almost caught up. I'm about 70% of the way through 79. Not sure what to do once I hit 80, except work on alts. I keep getting these Emblems of something for doing the random dungeons. I should probably figure out where to spend those. And getting heirloom gear would be nice for my alts.

[Nebu]

Not sure what to do once I hit 80, except work on alts.

Grind faction (walrus guys for the pet and the fishing pole, etc.)
Grind emblems
Do Wintergrasp
Grind heirloom gear for alts
Work on achievements/titles
Level alts

There's a lot to do at the endgame.  I just got bored with it and hated pugs.

[Morat20]

Not sure what to do once I hit 80, except work on alts.

Grind faction (walrus guys for the pet and the fishing pole, etc.)
Grind emblems
Do Wintergrasp
Grind heirloom gear for alts
Work on achievements/titles
Level alts

There's a lot to do at the endgame.  I just got bored with it and hated pugs.

Oh yeah. Faction. :) I need a good fishing pole. And heirlooms. And achievements. There's tons of the old world I don't have fully explored, but I thought I'd wait for Cataclysm and the ability to fly there. (That's coming, right? Or am I still stuck on the ground?). I also need to get the top-level riding skill. I can't fly fast enough yet. :)

I've got alt-itis bad. A level 49 mage enchanter/tailor, a 59 Gnome DK herb/inscriber, and a bunch in the 20s. Might do the 25 Druid (still in her shit gear back when feral sucked balls and I stopped playing because I wanted to play feral, and so made a hunter instead). Or my paladin.

[Ginaz]

Not sure what to do once I hit 80, except work on alts.

Grind faction (walrus guys for the pet and the fishing pole, etc.)
Grind emblems
Do Wintergrasp
Grind heirloom gear for alts
Work on achievements/titles
Level alts

There's a lot to do at the endgame.  I just got bored with it and hated pugs.

Oh yeah. Faction. :) I need a good fishing pole. And heirlooms. And achievements. There's tons of the old world I don't have fully explored, but I thought I'd wait for Cataclysm and the ability to fly there. (That's coming, right? Or am I still stuck on the ground?). I also need to get the top-level riding skill. I can't fly fast enough yet. :)

I've got alt-itis bad. A level 49 mage enchanter/tailor, a 59 Gnome DK herb/inscriber, and a bunch in the 20s. Might do the 25 Druid (still in her shit gear back when feral sucked balls and I stopped playing because I wanted to play feral, and so made a hunter instead). Or my paladin.

I've leveled every class in the game to at least 71.

[Rasix]

I've got alt-itis bad. A level 49 mage enchanter/tailor, a 59 Gnome DK herb/inscriber, and a bunch in the 20s. Might do the 25 Druid (still in her shit gear back when feral sucked balls and I stopped playing because I wanted to play feral, and so made a hunter instead). Or my paladin.

That's a very mild case.  Treatable with an OTC cream, I think.

[Morat20]

I've got alt-itis bad. A level 49 mage enchanter/tailor, a 59 Gnome DK herb/inscriber, and a bunch in the 20s. Might do the 25 Druid (still in her shit gear back when feral sucked balls and I stopped playing because I wanted to play feral, and so made a hunter instead). Or my paladin.

That's a very mild case.  Treatable with an OTC cream, I think.

My wife just takes her shirt off. Suddenly. WoW is not that fascinating. Also, cheaper than the cream. However, I'll admit -- part of my problem is I feel there's something unholy about playing when your rest XP runs out.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

I've played all the classes to like... level 12. I only stuck with 5 past then, and 3 of those to 80. I can't imagine leveling every class to 70+. Oh, the drudgery!

[Ironwood]

I don't know if that would stop me playing.  Send your wife round and we'll find out.

[Sjofn]

The only classes I haven't hit 70 with now are mage and warlock (the other hold out, rogue, I hit 70 with just this week!). Warlock is languishing at 50, and my mage recordholder is 26 or so. I don't DO cloth casters, I guess.

[Rendakor]

Only 3 classes I don't have at 80 are Lock, Hunter and Priest. My lock is 72, Hunter was my Vanilla main but I'm rerolling a gobbo one in Cata, and priest...meh. Stalled in the 30s doing STV for the 9001th time.

[Selby]

Try having leveled everything but a hunter to 80 and geared them up for raiding at the current tier.  I really have too much time on my hands...

[Nebu]

Try having leveled everything but a hunter to 80 and geared them up for raiding at the current tier.  I really have too much time on my hands...

I imagine that wouldn't take all that long with a good group of friends to play and shoot-the-shit with.

[Rendakor]

Try having leveled everything but a hunter to 80 and geared them up for raiding at the current tier.  I really have too much time on my hands...

I hear that; all mine are 5.5k+ GS.

[Selby]

I imagine that wouldn't take all that long with a good group of friends to play and shoot-the-shit with.

The DPS were painful.  The tanks and healers went by really fast.  And I did have a few friends in the guild who were on most of the time, sadly most have restricted their online time to "right before raid" and "just after the raid" and aren't on in between now.  And since there has been a recruitment drive there's a bunch of new people who don't know me and offend me with their inane drivel ;-)

[Morat20]

I don't know if that would stop me playing.  Send your wife round and we'll find out.

She says she refuses to kneel before Zod, sorry.

[Morat20]

Also, I hit 80. Now I guess I'll go get a life.


Just kidding. I need to find out what to do with emblems of triumph!

[Shrike]

Also, I hit 80. Now I guess I'll go get a life.


Just kidding. I need to find out what to do with emblems of triumph!

Buy T9 stuff and run heroics. Hit the ICC dailys... 

And now my bad group for the week (I hope it's the only one this week): clueless healer! Pulled CoS last night on my paladin. I like this one, other than the being forced to be a human part. This one started off innocently enough, but started to go bad on the second pull when I still have yet to see a heal. Yep, one of those. Dumbass would let me get to about 15% before bothering to heal. My pally is pretty tough, but some of that stuff hits hard and it seriously threw off my pulling tactics and rotation. I swear I never had Gift of the Naroo off cooldown. Or LoH. Or my engine healing pots. This sort of excitement I can do without. Was a vast relief to finish the instance.

[apocrypha]

I've got everything except a hunter (64) and rogue (61) at 70+. Last few weeks I've started levelling all the 70's, using up rested XP, so at the moment I'm inching a resto druid (75, already got an 80 but this one is alliance), a prot warrior (71), an afflic lock (75) and a disc priest (72) towards 80.

The rogue gets a play every now and again but I don't like him very much. I like him more since I turned him from a nelf into a dwarf, but rogues are shitty to level. The hunter will only ever get levelled if I run out of rested XP on *all* the rest, which is unlikely.

Thing is if I get bored with the levelling game at some point I can swap back to the 80 game, with 5 80s to play with, ranging from 4.8k to 5.8k GS, there's just so many choices of what to do.

[Morat20]

I have 30 Triumph emblems. I need...75 I think, for any actual gear. I'll have to start finding other ways to earn them. I might actually have enough leftover honor for some PvP gear. :)\

I had a shitty group for Blackrock. Fuckers managed to trigger the bar fight without warning ANYONE. Then when we wiped, of the five of us two hadn't ever been to BRD before, and I ended up getting killed by a respawn patrol trying to get to them. And I get fucking bitched at for dying, when the two fuckers who started the fight and wiped us hadn't waited at the instance, hadn't told the new guys shit, and had gotten us all killed.

On the bright side, I got the key quest since I was dead.

[Shrike]

I believe it's 30 each for the T9 gloves and shoulders, and 50 each for the rest. It's pretty easy to gear up with T9 these days. The 245 pieces though are much more, as are the 232 PvP set. I think 75 for 245 hat and/or...ummm...chest? PvP is 50/75.

[Morat20]

I believe it's 30 each for the T9 gloves and shoulders, and 50 each for the rest. It's pretty easy to gear up with T9 these days. The 245 pieces though are much more, as are the 232 PvP set. I think 75 for 245 hat and/or...ummm...chest? PvP is 50/75.

I'll have to check closer then. I have 30 at the moment. I was checking the vender in Dalaran, under the assumption that they both had the same things.

[WoopeeTuralyon]

It's 45/75 for 245 gear. 50 for the trinket and 25(?) for the relic(totem, etc.). Save up those frost emblem you get from a daily heroic and weekly raid, and buy T10! Don't buy the non-set 264 pieces!


Edit: What class are you playing, again? The T9 vendor is separate from the triumph vendor. Not even in the same room, in fact.

[Sjofn]

I believe it's 30 each for the T9 gloves and shoulders, and 50 each for the rest. It's pretty easy to gear up with T9 these days. The 245 pieces though are much more, as are the 232 PvP set. I think 75 for 245 hat and/or...ummm...chest? PvP is 50/75.

I'll have to check closer then. I have 30 at the moment. I was checking the vender in Dalaran, under the assumption that they both had the same things.

No, for some stupid fucking reason T9 is on seperate vendors in a completely not obvious way.

[Ginaz]

Looks like I was the bad tank today.  Forgot to put Righteous Fury up after returning from a wipe.  Luckily, only 2 people died on that pull (HPos Skeleton dudes before the tunnel).  I've done this a few times but this was the first time people were killed because of it.

[Rendakor]

I had the opposite problem in H AN today; it took the Retnoob 3 near-death experiences to realize he had his Righteous Fury on. Of course, I just so happened to misplace my taunt button... 

[apocrypha]

I forget to put Frost Presence on so often that I have had to hide the button for Unholy Presence just to stop myself from switching to it 

[Lantyssa]

I'll have to check closer then. I have 30 at the moment. I was checking the vender in Dalaran, under the assumption that they both had the same things.

Do Wintergrasp a few times a week, making sure to grab the weekly quests.  It's a cheap way to get some decent gear while you're working on emblems.  My DK's dps set when I left consisted of my two tanking T9, one piece of T10, and almost everything else being PvP gear.  While the itemization may not be the best for dungeons, it all replaced much, much lower level stuff so it still helped.

[Shrike]

If you have a lot of honor built up, some of the 245/264 PvP pieces are pretty good for a dps DK. Mine still uses a few, but she's pretty limited in her ability to get frost tokens. Just another resource for upgrades and an easy one.

The PuG environment on WW is very bad these days. PvP gear is a viable alternative to the mendaciousness of the gearscore-driven stupidity that is rampant in PuG raiding these days.

[Ingmar]

I personally wouldn't emphasize the pvp stuff. There are one or two pieces that can fill a gap for you but even those 251 shoulders from WG are worse than the 232 badge ones for pve purposes for almost everyone.

The 264 bracers might be worth getting if you can't afford crafted bracers, possibly the pvp belt or boots or one of the battlemaster's trinkets. Otherwise you're better off just keeping at the heroics, especially once you can get into the ICC ones.

[Zetor]

IMO the 264 pvp cloaks / necks are good investments; sure, you can get better cloaks from frost emblems, but you'll probably want to spend those on tier10 gear instead. If you don't raid, your not-insanely-expensive-off-the-AH alternatives are 226 necks [232 for casters and non-str-based damage dealers if you get lucky in the icc heroics] by downgrading your emblems to conquest and 219 capes from normal icc dungeons (you could get 232 capes from ahune, but that's not available anymore).

Of course on a non-druid tank you'll want to use normal tanking gear no matter what.

[Ingmar]

The pvp necks don't have str on them either so that's not an advantage as far as picking one up as a str class.

Let's compare to the 232 and 226 necks, though:

PVP neck has 181 AP, 60 rating in either hit, crit, or ArPen, your choice, plus irrelevant stamina and resilience.

232 neck has 99 AP, 39 crit, 48 haste, 67 agility (which is a decent amount of crit even for people who don't get AP from agi), plus some irrelevant stamina

226 neck has 65 str, 45 hit rating, 36 crit rating, and some irrelevant stamina

The 232 is clearly better for anyone, and a LOT better for AP/agi dps, unless you happen to be a couple very specific specs and need the armor pen to hit your magic number maybe. The 226 is basically a wash assuming you aren't wasting the hit, given that the 65 str will scale way better with buffs and talents for str classes. Actually the 226 str one might beat the 232 for them, probably.

Once you factor in that time you spend grinding honor could be spent farming badges for the other stuff instead anyway I'm not sure the pvp stuff makes a really attractive goal. If you're going to be assembling a PVP suit anyway though absolutely use it for filler in the PVE suit, but I wouldn't be going out of my way to farm it up just to replace it with PVE stuff if I wasn't going to be PVPing otherwise.

[Rendakor]

It's not worth going out of your way for, but doing WG once a week combined with any honor earned leveling up makes them relatively easy to obtain, particularly if you don't win your 232.

[Morat20]

I bought my first 232 armor...the shoulders. :) Wiped out all but 3 of my emblems of truimph. But I'm trying to gear up so I can do heroics, so I can send heirlooms to my alts..:)