Mass Effect 2 *spoilers around pg 29/30*

[Ratman_tf]

I hesitate to throw out that old Uncanny Valley chestnut, but the graphics look painfully fake when ME2 tries to do human faces.

[Polysorbate80]

[TripleDES]

[Ingmar]

[jakonovski]

After reading through a lot of fan-wank on what Shepard has now gone through, I have come to the conclusion that there is one truly cool way to structure ME3:

[Sjofn]

[TripleDES]

I guess it doesn't sit well with me that you're all Cerberus renegade (more or less by choice depending on the Paragon/Renegade route), just to

[Jeff Kelly]

Discussing all of the inane storytelling and plot holes probably takes longer than the entire DLC.

If there is a single mass portal all of the reapers appear at and blowing it up is a small supernova then I'd do it AFTER they arrive, problem solved.
I never ever would believe anything a reaper artifact would tell me, even if it said that the sky was blue.
This makes the whole "the reapers will arrive in two days" thing highly suspect
Even if they do arrive in two days time I'll have no real confirmation that delaying them will buy me a significant amount of time (the scientist says years but that can't be true if I go with the trailer to ME 3)
Then there's the whole physics thing. The reapers live in darkspace far beyond the rim and the only connection to the galaxy is the mass portal in the citadel. Reaching the nearest system would take centuries or millennia at relativistic speeds not a few days.
The "protagonist is conveniently unconscious for exactly the right amount of time without being killed" trope

I could go on but that DLC was just lazy story telling

[Ingmar]

I never ever would believe anything a reaper artifact would tell me, even if it said that the sky was blue.

Indoctrination does not work that way.

[Sjofn]

Even if they do arrive in two days time I'll have no real confirmation that delaying them will buy me a significant amount of time (the scientist says years but that can't be true if I go with the trailer to ME 3)

Why not? It doesn't say when it's happening, does it? It could be a couple of years from the end of Arrival.

[Ratman_tf]

After reading through a lot of fan-wank on what Shepard has now gone through, I have come to the conclusion that there is one truly cool way to structure ME3:

[Sjofn]

After reading through a lot of fan-wank on what Shepard has now gone through, I have come to the conclusion that there is one truly cool way to structure ME3:

[tmp]

Shepard will become Saren.

I'm fine with this concept as long as you're then ultimately defeated by young, plucky Spectre upstart, first of his/her species to be granted such rank. A volus, maybe? Since the Hanar already have Blasto...

[cironian]

I'm fine with this concept as long as you're then ultimately defeated by young, plucky Spectre upstart, first of his/her species to be granted such rank. A volus, maybe? Since the Hanar already have Blasto...

That might be a fun encounter: While shopping for upgrades you come across a volus carrying a huge arsenal of comically oversized guns on his back.

"Your hour *breath* has finally come, rogue spectre Shepard! I, the first Volus spectre, Notta Klu, *breath* have travelled across 4 worlds, gathering hints to your location *breath* and building up my team. Now, you will pay for--" Renegade interrupt headshot LOL.

[MournelitheCalix]

Then there's the whole physics thing. The reapers live in darkspace far beyond the rim and the only connection to the galaxy is the mass portal in the citadel. Reaching the nearest system would take centuries or millennia at relativistic speeds not a few days.
The "protagonist is conveniently unconscious for exactly the right amount of time without being killed" trope

I could go on but that DLC was just lazy story telling

I agree completely on all the points you have put forth.  This was lazy story telling at best and another sign of the EAing of Bioware at worst.  It is doubly troubling when you consider that other than Bioware who else puts out good RPG's???



Edited Comment:  Also what happened to the council???  You mean to seriously tell us that the council wouldn't have wanted to talk to Shepard either?  I mean some of us actually decided to still be a spectre.  The whole thing smacked of timeline, to get something pushed out the door for cash instead of the good polished story that I have normally gotten out of Bioware and it was really damn disappointing.

[TripleDES]

Edited Comment:  Also what happened to the council???  You mean to seriously tell us that the council wouldn't have wanted to talk to Shepard either?  I mean some of us actually decided to still be a spectre.  The whole thing smacked of timeline, to get something pushed out the door for cash instead of the good polished story that I have normally gotten out of Bioware and it was really damn disappointing.

I thought the council decided for itself, that the Reapers are bullshit?

[Stormwaltz]

Ah yes, "Reapers."

[Sjofn]

Yeah, the Council is not down with your wild Reaper conspiracy theories, even if they let you be a spectre again. More evidence for my Space Jail theory, as they're going to want to scapegoat the shit out of you too. 

[Ratman_tf]

I just finished up Overlord. Bioware's storytelling has gone from sutley comic bookey to blatantly comic bookey.

Why was David trussed up like the guy from Clockwork Orange? I know, it's to give his suffering a visual cue. But goddam, I half expected a hammer on a swing arm to be conking him on the head in that contraption. "Ow! Ow! Cerberus is mean!"

[UnSub]

Ah yes, "Reapers."

If only Shepherd had a mobile phone video camera to record even part of what s/he'd seen. Or some kind of ships logs with sensor recordings. 

Also I find it amusing that despite the Council not believing Shepherd, they are still happy to give someone who may just be mentally imbalanced a security rating of Carte Blanche.

[Sjofn]

They'd just say it was photoshopped or whatever. 

[UnSub]

They'd just say it was photoshopped or whatever. 

All it would take is the small revelation that the Council is under slight indoctrination effects due to their life on the Citadel and this particular plot point would make more sense.

... and then players could take the option to kill the indoctrinated Council, and ME gamers everywhere would cheer.

[Jeff Kelly]

Hmmm... I think you're on to something here UnSub.

I don't suppose that Bioware actually thought about something like that but why shouldn't that work. Civilizations that just happen to stumble upon the Citadel. Nobody is actually tearing that thing apart to see how it works, nobody is curious about the Keepers.

Also since every Reaper artifact we've encountered so far has some sort of indoctrination effect why shouldn't the Citadel also? Just keep the prey content and subtly quell their curiosity until the trap springs.

[Fordel]

I think people have tried to rip apart the citadel to see how it works, but those little bug janitors keep putting it back together.

[Sjofn]

Also I think the keepers self-destruct or some shit when you fuck with 'em, which is why you're not supposed to mess with them. The guys you do the scanning for in ME1 say they're the first people to really be able to measure anything about them.

[Lantyssa]

I'm with the indoctrination.  They fight you at every turn and they still don't believe you even after space sushi tries to eat them.

[TripleDES]

Ah yes, "Reapers."

If only Shepherd had a mobile phone video camera to record even part of what s/he'd seen. Or some kind of ships logs with sensor recordings.  

Or a whole goddamn Reaper spread across the council's front lawn. Which there was. Seeing how Reaper artifacts are all voodoo like, anyway, and that their tech shouldn't be anything recognizable, there's no excuse that the council is reacting that way, apart from cheap story's sake.

--edit: I guess indoctrination then. There better be a considerable plot thread about this in ME3. Like you're being put up in a sham trial, the council being more irritating like usual, you're being "what the fuck" and these Salarians from ME1 will be contacting you with their findings about the keepers and beyond. Or something.

[jakonovski]

Mordin leads a crack team of Salarian commandos in a daring rescue. However, before they can reach Shepard, he is surrounded by a dozen indoctrinated Spectres. That's when Thane surfs in with an intergalactic hoverboard.

[TripleDES]

And then you blow up the citadel.

[Shrike]

Well, the salarian you dealt with in ME1 (can't remember his name) sends you an email detailing his findings, which pretty much echo what Vigil told you. So info is out there, just all back-channel stuff.

Also, from the Shadowbroker files, you know something very out of the ordinary is up with keeper#20. Expect revelations from that direction. My guess is we'll see some of the bowels of the Citadel in ME3. One can hope, anyway.

[UnSub]

Mordin leads a crack team of Salarian commandos in a daring rescue. However, before they can reach Shepard, he is surrounded by a dozen indoctrinated Spectres. That's when Thane surfs in with an intergalactic hoverboard.

You forgot Miranda in a bikini doing cartwheels with guns akimbo.

[MournelitheCalix]

Edited Comment:  Also what happened to the council???  You mean to seriously tell us that the council wouldn't have wanted to talk to Shepard either?  I mean some of us actually decided to still be a spectre.  The whole thing smacked of timeline, to get something pushed out the door for cash instead of the good polished story that I have normally gotten out of Bioware and it was really damn disappointing.

I thought the council decided for itself, that the Reapers are bullshit?

Exactly so, so if they don't buy the reaper excuse what possible justification could shepard have for his action.  Either way, I can't believe they didn't have anything to say to their Spectre who just annihilated 300k souls and took out a relay.

[Sjofn]

Space jail, people. Accept it.

[TripleDES]

Exactly so, so if they don't buy the reaper excuse what possible justification could shepard have for his action.  Either way, I can't believe they didn't have anything to say to their Spectre who just annihilated 300k souls and took out a relay.

I thought this mission was under wraps? The council should be none the wiser right now. I figure in ME3, you'll show up back in council space and they'll be all over you, when you'll start with the Reaper shtick again. Because you accidentally mention that incident with the gate.

[rk47]

Asari Councilor: Commander Shepard, we received reports of..

RENEGADE INTERRUPT *Blam*

Turian Councilor: SHEPARD! Explain your-

RENEGADE INTERRUPT *Blam*

Salari Councilor: pleasetheresnoneedfor..

RENEGADE INTERRUPT *Blam*

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