[3.1] Ulduar Preview - NOW WITH PATCH NOTES

[Soulflame]

It's got to be a short flight to Undercity for Horde.  I can see the Alliance complaining about that 6 min flight to IF, but I just afk or tab-out and read forums. Win-win!

Still, I'd rather have astral recall so I can wind-up where *I* want to, not my class' home base.

UC is on the other continent.  The two options for an AH from Moonglade are TB or Org.  Neither of which is terribly far from Moonglade.

[Ingmar]

It's got to be a short flight to Undercity for Horde.  I can see the Alliance complaining about that 6 min flight to IF, but I just afk or tab-out and read forums. Win-win!

Still, I'd rather have astral recall so I can wind-up where *I* want to, not my class' home base.

UC is on the other continent.  The two options for an AH from Moonglade are TB or Org.  Neither of which is terribly far from Moonglade.

I think Merusk was talking about the death knight port, not the druid one.

[Nevermore]

It's got to be a short flight to Undercity for Horde.  I can see the Alliance complaining about that 6 min flight to IF, but I just afk or tab-out and read forums. Win-win!

Still, I'd rather have astral recall so I can wind-up where *I* want to, not my class' home base.

UC is on the other continent.  The two options for an AH from Moonglade are TB or Org.  Neither of which is terribly far from Moonglade.

They were talking about Acherus.

[Lantyssa]

UC is on the other continent.  The two options for an AH from Moonglade are TB or Org.  Neither of which is terribly far from Moonglade.

They're far enough to be annoying.  Moonglade to Ashenvale or Stonetalon is far enough to make me bored.

[Sjofn]

And I bet the grapes there are sour, too! 

You do know I have a druid too, right. 

[Merusk]

And I bet the grapes there are sour, too! 

Of course they are. Everything's dead or rotten in Acherus.

They were talking about Acherus.

Yes.

[Nevermore]

And I bet the grapes there are sour, too! 

You do know I have a druid too, right. 

I do!  But you don't play him nearly as much.

And I bet the grapes there are sour, too! 

Of course they are. Everything's dead or rotten in Acherus.

Now we're talking about Moonglade again.  Keep up!

[Merusk]

First Base!

[Xerapis]

Who's on first?

[Lantyssa]

That's right.

[Soulflame]

I don't know how I missed the switch from Moonglade to Archerus.   

[Fordel]

Which begs the next question: Why not just reduce the CD on the damn things already.  Shaman get 5 hearths in an hour, why can't the rest of us be as fortunate?

Update: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15416781541&sid=1&pageNo=22#439

Alright, all -- we're going to make the cooldown on hearthstones 30 minutes when 3.1.0 releases. Enjoy your sweet victory.

Thanks to those who provided feedback constructively.

[Soulflame]

Hm, misread that.  For some reason, I thought I had heard blizzard had upped the timer on shaman recalls, and I mixed that up with reducing the cooldown on hearthstones.

Kind of makes me sad in a way, since I spent 8k gold on a ring so I could hearth every half an hour.  Ah well.

[El Gallo]

I want an engineering transporter to *somewhere* in WOTLK-land.  When I rebind in Booty Bay every sunday to lose the fishing tournament it's a pain to fly all the way back to UC, take the zep to howling fjord, and fly all the way back to Dalaran to rebind.

Also, please to be adding a portal from Shattrath to Dalaran.  Or else move the fishing dailies to Northrend. 

[Merusk]

I don't think the tone was meant to be condecending or ironic.  Just a "hey, you guys won, enjoy it!"  I understand with all the bad companies out there it's hard to take any comments from any devs as anything but a cynical mocking of the playerbase.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Hm, misread that.  For some reason, I thought I had heard blizzard had upped the timer on shaman recalls, and I mixed that up with reducing the cooldown on hearthstones.

Kind of makes me sad in a way, since I spent 8k gold on a ring so I could hearth every half an hour.  Ah well.

you didn't wait until you were exalted to buy it?

[Merusk]

Oh sure Soul.. edit your post right before I'm done replying to it.

You bastard!

[Soulflame]

Lakov - I bought it at revered.  Stupid, I know, but I figured why the hell not.  I wanted the second hearth enough to do it.  Plus, you know, the achievement whoring.

Merusk - /victory   

[Nevermore]

So the other shoe dropped on DKs, this time landing on the DK tanks. 

Edit: Though if I'm reading the notes correctly, it looks like they unnerfed a couple of the nicer DW talents, Blood Caked Blades and Necrosis.

[Rasix]

Some odd changes there.  Seems like they want dual wield (for DKs) to make a reappearance in some form.

[Lantyssa]

Good, since I like dual wielding.

[Rasix]

Roll a shaman, warrior, hunter, or rogue.

Edit: I really wanted it to die off and eventually just go away. Ohh well.

[Sjofn]

Roll a shaman, warrior, hunter, or rogue.

Or you know, roll a fucking death knight. They have the ability. Blizzard is perfectly happy to let DKs DW if they want. Get over it already.

I'm glad they unnerfed DW to the point where you'll still see it. Having it be THE way to DPS was bad, but nerfing it as hard as they initially did was also bad. On the other hand ... my beautiful, beautiful frost tank spec. I really don't know where I am going to be left at the end of all this. 

[Nevermore]

Good, since I like dual wielding.

Likewise.  DW was a perfectly acceptable choice when I made my DK and I shouldn't have to delete and reroll another character because the whole idea of dual wielding gets some people all bent out of shape.

[Lantyssa]

I have a bazillion hunters, I mostly solo, and I'm not a raider.  What does it matter?

Do weaponsmasters teach me to use a shield?  'cause I don't see much difference between me dual wielding and using a two-hander since I'm not picking up either weapon-specific talent.

[Paelos]

I like the Deathknights to DW. Nobody else wants any of the 1h weapons in Naxx on my run otherwise. Warriors are now exclusively 2h in DPS.

[Hindenburg]

DK's can't use shields.

[Sjofn]

Really, I don't understand the bitching about letting DKs DW but NOT bitching about how we all fucking have to use maces 98% of the time in the endgame raiding world if we use a 2h. I got Kel'thuzad's axe last night (yay), so at least I have a runeBLADED weapon instead of a runeLUMP weapon. That drives me WAY CRAZIER.

I wish to fucking God they had left the 2h tank swords in, or would at least have the decency to add some nice crafted axes and swords to BS. They could be EXACTLY THE SAME as the 2h mace, even. It's idiotic to give a bunch of races expertise in various weapons and then have so many goddamn maces lying about. It's extra rude to the Horde.

[Rasix]

DK's can't use shields.

I never understood why they did this.  Didn't they originally give dual wield to DKs to offset the lack of shields?  Well, I guess we look different while tanking. 

[Delmania]

I never understood why they did this.  Didn't they originally give dual wield to DKs to offset the lack of shields?  Well, I guess we look different while tanking. 

Offensive parry tanks.  You've got a defensive shield tank (paladin), defensive parry tank (druid), offensive shield tank (warrior), so an offensive parry tank (death knight) just made sense. 

[Rasix]

Really, I don't understand the bitching about letting DKs DW but NOT bitching about how we all fucking have to use maces 98% of the time in the endgame raiding world if we use a 2h. I got Kel'thuzad's axe last night (yay), so at least I have a runeBLADED weapon instead of a runeLUMP weapon. That drives me WAY CRAZIER.

I wish to fucking God they had left the 2h tank swords in, or would at least have the decency to add some nice crafted axes and swords to BS. They could be EXACTLY THE SAME as the 2h mace, even. It's idiotic to give a bunch of races expertise in various weapons and then have so many goddamn maces lying about. It's extra rude to the Horde.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying seeing almost every DK holding a Titansteel Destroyer along with every ret pallie and in every other hand of a DPS warrior.  It's even more annoying being one of them.  I've seen a two handed weapon drop once (it was the axe) and it went to the DK tank.  I'd pay double the material costs just for a different weapon model.

Or hell, how about adding them to the hero badge vendor (along with a goddamn unholy dps sigil) and some other useful gear. 

I just want an axe. It doesn't even have to be that axe.  Well, it would be nice if it didn't have armor penetration on it.  I DON'T NEED THAT SHIT.

[Paelos]

DK's can't use shields.

I never understood why they did this.  Didn't they originally give dual wield to DKs to offset the lack of shields?  Well, I guess we look different while tanking. 

I would guess that having 3 classes that all use plate, 1hers, and shield as tanks would pretty much make one of them overpowered and another completely useless. In that respect, I think it would be warriors who would become obsolete because of their inability to regularly deal with magic damage spikes.

[Ingmar]

Really, I don't understand the bitching about letting DKs DW but NOT bitching about how we all fucking have to use maces 98% of the time in the endgame raiding world if we use a 2h. I got Kel'thuzad's axe last night (yay), so at least I have a runeBLADED weapon instead of a runeLUMP weapon. That drives me WAY CRAZIER.

I wish to fucking God they had left the 2h tank swords in, or would at least have the decency to add some nice crafted axes and swords to BS. They could be EXACTLY THE SAME as the 2h mace, even. It's idiotic to give a bunch of races expertise in various weapons and then have so many goddamn maces lying about. It's extra rude to the Horde.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying seeing almost every DK holding a Titansteel Destroyer along with every ret pallie and in every other hand of a DPS warrior.  It's even more annoying being one of them.  I've seen a two handed weapon drop once (it was the axe) and it went to the DK tank.  I'd pay double the material costs just for a different weapon model.

Or hell, how about adding them to the hero badge vendor (along with a goddamn unholy dps sigil) and some other useful gear. 

I just want an axe. It doesn't even have to be that axe.  Well, it would be nice if it didn't have armor penetration on it.  I DON'T NEED THAT SHIT.

Run heroic Halls of Lightning til you get a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37852, that is probably the most accessible epic axe.

[Hindenburg]

Or just look at it this way: if you could use shields, odds are good they'd be mandatory.

[Rasix]

Or just look at it this way: if you could use shields, odds are good they'd be mandatory.

True.  But I'd feel a lot more like my old Shadow Knight from EQ.    Heh, I'll have practical feedback on real DK tanking come 3.1.  Dual speccing is going to have me replacing a lot of the hapless speedbumps in my guild, when all I want to do is DPS. 

Ewww, haste. Almost as bad as amor pen.  Still, over the hit cap now by a large margin, so it'd be worth it.  Now I just have to convince people to run heroic HOL.