Estiah

[sidereal]

You sure you want to put any progress toward the building?  We just started it.  I'd rather just put nothing into it, since it sounds like they destroy some proportion of the building progress, and if the progress is none, then that would be none.

[FatuousTwat]

So, should I stack support for my guild deck, or stick with my 100% offense?

[Lantyssa]

You sure you want to put any progress toward the building?  We just started it.  I'd rather just put nothing into it, since it sounds like they destroy some proportion of the building progress, and if the progress is none, then that would be none.

There's already progress, and they'll get some gold.  If everyone who hasn't committed progress does so before the reset tomorrow, and everyone does it after, then it's finished and there isn't anything to lose.  Even if we don't succeed, the worst they can do is knock us below what we're at, in which case they would have been able to knock us to zero should we do nothing.

The only way I can see that plan being bad is if they get an amount of gold based on how much progress we've put in.  Then it's a case of risking our ability to finish against leaving it at a quarter complete.

So, should I stack support for my guild deck, or stick with my 100% offense?

I would say offense with maybe some focus cards thrown in.  That's based on my limited colliseum experience and that offensive decks seem to work out better for me.  Sidereal had some siege suggestions in an earlier post.

[ezrast]

There's guild warfare and land destruction and shit? I didn't even know. What level do I have to be to contribute anything meaningful? Szephit is 10 right now.

[sidereal]

You can always contribute, especially build points :)

[ezrast]

Well we just got stomped. I forgot to set up a guild gear and contributed a whopping 15 damage to the war effort. Not that it mattered; I didn't stand much of a chance anyway. Heh.

[sidereal]

Yeah, it was nice of you to join and then get gangbanged in a 4 on 1.

The penalty for losing was pretty slight, except for my ego.

Need a lot more Focus in guild decks.  A lot more.  I had a few in mine but never got one out (died first).  Neither did anyone else in my group.

[ezrast]

I volunteer to be a focus bitch once I actually get the charms for it. Also we should organize groups by damage type for maximum defense crushingness.

[Severian]

Whoops, it already happened? I didn't even set up a guild deck 

[Lantyssa]

We didn't stand much chance, even with well-coordinated decks.  Our first string second rounders won though.

[FatuousTwat]

I had some focus items on, but was the first killed.

[Delmania]

We didn't stand much chance, even with well-coordinated decks.  Our first string second rounders won though.

Damn it, I need to setup a better guild deck. I didn't even have all my slots filled...

[Lantyssa]

I need two more deck slots.  I have a melee deck, a magic deck, a spirit deck, and an empower deck at the moment.  I want a guild deck, a sap deck, and a couple of others.

[sidereal]

Hm.  I have  PVP deck, a base PVE deck, a skillup deck that I rotate cards around with depending on which skills are close, a Burn deck designed to max out damage in 10-15 rounds to kill off particular bosses, a Turtle deck designed to stall enemies to exhaustion, a Guild deck, a pure Magic deck, and a pure Phys deck.  Obviously I don't have this many slots, so I keep having to rebuild them from scratch according to need.

[Delmania]

http://www.estiah.com/user/donate

$9 for more slots.  I am thinking about this, I've been having enough fun to warrant throwing them some support.

[sidereal]

Forge is building.  What's queued up next?  Shakanite smelter?  Sanctuary?  I have no idea what Seals do, but it sounds fun.

Edit: Aha.  I found a wiki

[Azuredream]

Forge is building.  What's queued up next?  Shakanite smelter?  Sanctuary?  I have no idea what Seals do, but it sounds fun.

Edit: Aha.  I found a wiki

"Seals require a gold upkeep to be paid for their activation and at every action point reset. When active, a Seal will apply its effect at the beginning of each fight during guild battles and siege defenses. However, players that do not meet the level requirement of the seal will not be affected by its powers. "

Seems like a good building to do next.

[Ghambit]

I like this game better than "The West."
I'm in, named "Ghambit"

[Delmania]

I've been using that Wiki heavily from some time when I go to sell items in my invventory.  It also has some use ideas for decking building for various fights.

[Severian]

I'm in, named "Ghambit"

Did you create your character with a Mentor? Either by typing in their name during registration or by using one of the URLs at the beginning of this thread? It's not a big deal, but it will offer a minor ongoing benefit to whoever you name, so might as well do it with a new character.


I use the wiki heavily too. I'm finding myself wanting/needing to invest increasing amounts of time in research and planning as the battle tactics have opened up in the late teens and 20s, and as my two characters have started to diverge. And that's just for charm acquisition, I haven't begun studying the course of my actual PvP battles yet.

[Severian]

"Black Berets requested a guild battle".


Edit: I'm up for it, let's get some practice at this.

[sidereal]

I'm inclined to accept

[Delmania]

Yeah I'd like to accept as well.  More fights mean we can shake our decks and our setups down.

[sidereal]

Accepted.  Apparently it's hardcoded at 3 squads?  Not sure how those get setup.  Lantyssa already set up some squads, so I'll leave squad selection to her.

[Lantyssa]

I simply set up the squads to distribute our levels a bit so the last battle wasn't completely random.  Still playing, but I'm rather distracted at the moment so y'all are welcome to tinker with it.

[Severian]

The battle begins 4hrs 0min from the time of this post. The squads are viewable here: http://www.estiah.com/guild/squad

Based on Samprimary's post quoted below, I'd say the ideal contribution of lower level members of each squad is heavy use of focus cards in their guild decks, to create focused fire of the all-nuke decks of the higher levels in the squad. I would also recommend that players with multiple characters in the guild get their characters placed on the same squad, allowing some direct coordination.

I'd be curious to see how a single squad based on spirit attacks would fare. Normally I would think it would be a terrible tactic for groups, as opposed to duels where there is a single card stack to destroy, but if all four decks were spirit attack (both my chars have them) it might be very effective.

In each team of four, you want to do one of two things:

Option One:

- Three players use 100% damage and powerup cards, no armor or ward
- One player uses 100% focus cards

Option Two:

- Two players use 100% damage and powerup cards, no armor or ward
- One player uses 100% combination protect and armor/ward cards
- One player uses 100% focus cards

[Lantyssa]

Since we don't have much time to prepare, I rearranged squads into more closely level-aligned groups.  If they do the same we'll have a little advantage in my squad, but otherwise the groups will be fairly evenly matched.

Someone is still welcome to redo it though.

[FatuousTwat]

THE STUDENT BECOMES THE MASTER!

Hurion (L.13)

Your mentor is [X]  Szephit (L.12)

[sidereal]

That's some quality mentoring

[Severian]

I've put five focus cards on each on my chars to make sure some are in play, although that's still only one card in six of my decks. But they're old cards and not too potent otherwise.

Another apporach to squads would be to create one for melee and one for magic. Concentrate the damage types to minimize the opponent's damage mitigation. Assuming they even bother with armor/ward for guild battles, they may not. If that is in fact the way these go - with nobody bothering with armor - then boosts, armor destruction, and penetrations don't matter, it's all about raw amounts.

Also, DoTs should outlive you. If you find your character not lasting long in these guild battles, they are the gifts that keep on giving.

[grebo]

Hello all.  I'm a mighty fearsome level 5 but I would love to join the club if you'll have me.  This game seems very nice and I think I'll be playing for a good while.  I'm Grebo in the game as well.

One question tho, where the heck do I go to make charms out of my rat skin?  Is there a page on the wiki or somewhere that gives the low down on crafting?  I couldn't seem to find it.

[Lantyssa]

Boosts are worth it if they give more than what another card could do.  I still like destruction because a lot of cards add a bit of armor here and there and it'll strip that out, usually at not much loss of overall damage.

To craft charms go to the city market.  Orange shops mean craftable.  Gold means craftable with PvP gems.  Each city has its own assortment, so you'll have to figure out what you can get from where.  Google "Estiah Wiki" and you'll get the main wiki as the first hit.  Lots of raw data, but not a lot of guides that I have seen.

[Pezzle]

In case no one noticed I have been inactive, mostly.  Game became meh.  I may start up again.  My decks are set up for offense in groups.  The building continues.  If you need space for others I can remove characters from the guild. 

[ezrast]

THE STUDENT BECOMES THE MASTER!

Hurion (L.13)

Your mentor is [X]  Szephit (L.12)

Now hurry up and level 22 more times so I can get 5 extra hit points. Anyway, *my* mentor is still level 9 so feh to you good sir!

[grebo]

To craft charms go to the city market.  Orange shops mean craftable.  Gold means craftable with PvP gems.  Each city has its own assortment, so you'll have to figure out what you can get from where.  Google "Estiah Wiki" and you'll get the main wiki as the first hit.  Lots of raw data, but not a lot of guides that I have seen.

Oh, well that's easy.  Thx.