Dollhouse

[Trippy]

Series Premiere is this Friday, 2/13.

[Signe]

I never heard of it but I'll watch it because you bothered to make a whole thread about a show that no one has seen yet so it must be really good, right?  I'm counting on you!  Don't disappoint me! 

[Triforcer]

Gone after two episodes. 

[JWIV]

This looks fucking awful.  What will be awesome is that once it's cancelled, the slobbering Wheddonites will fall over themselves to blame Fox as opposed to the show being retarded.

[schild]

Nothing on TV pisses me off more than the fact Whedon got a show with this premise and was allowed to cast Eliza Fucking Dushku as a lead role. God, she eats such ass. Unfortunately, not mine.

Edit: /rimshot

Edit 2: That didn't help.

[stray]

What do you think is wrong with her?

She's fucking hot... and seems like she can kick the majority of dude's, let alone women's asses. Cool with me.


So it's actually canceled already? I didn't even know it aired yet.

[schild]

What do you think is wrong with her?

She's fucking hot... and seems like she can kick the majority of dude's, let alone women's asses. Cool with me.

She's a terrible actress. I have no problem with her being in Maxim, etc.

[stray]

I haven't seen her in much unfortunately.. But I thought she stood out, in a good way, in Buffy and Angel. In fact, if it came down to it, I wouldn't have minded any other characters getting killed off, except Spike and Faith.

[Tannhauser]

This looks fucking awful.  What will be awesome is that once it's cancelled, the slobbering Wheddonites will fall over themselves to blame Fox as opposed to the show being retarded.

Well, at least you gave it a chance.

(Green cause I'm old skool)

[AngryGumball]

What do you think is wrong with her?

She's fucking hot... and seems like she can kick the majority of dude's, let alone women's asses. Cool with me.

She's a terrible actress. I have no problem with her being in Maxim, etc.

*closes eyes and ears chanting naananaaanaaaa* to avoid What Schild wrote.

[schild]

I haven't seen her in much unfortunately.. But I thought she stood out, in a good way, in Buffy and Angel.

It was not hard to stand out in a good way on Buffy and Angel. She's truly, truly terrible. She's hot, no doubt, but she sucks. Worth banishing to playboy imo.

[Velorath]

What do you think is wrong with her?

She's fucking hot... and seems like she can kick the majority of dude's, let alone women's asses. Cool with me.


So it's actually canceled already? I didn't even know it aired yet.

Show isn't canceled yet, and no it hasn't aired yet.

In addition to Dushku, they've also brought in Amy Acker as part of the main cast.

[schild]

In addition to Dushku, they've also brought in Amy Acker as part of the main cast.

Oh this show is definitely going places. It's a shame the legion of Whedonites may actually be big enough to keep this shit on the air.

[Velorath]

In addition to Dushku, they've also brought in Amy Acker as part of the main cast.

Oh this show is definitely going places. It's a shame the legion of Whedonites may actually be big enough to keep this shit on the air.

Cry more?  Maybe they'll give Terminator (which is the lead-in show to Dollhouse's timeslot) a much needed ratings boost as well.  You know, considering how without Whedon and Firefly, Summer Glau probably would never have been cast as Cameron.

[schild]

You know, considering how without Whedon and Firefly, Summer Glau probably would never have been cast as Cameron.

I don't owe that campy shitbag a goddamn thing.

In fact, I'd be willing to give up terminator if it meant Whedon never got another gig in Hollywood for TV or Movies.

[Velorath]

You know, considering how without Whedon and Firefly, Summer Glau probably would never have been cast as Cameron.

I don't owe that campy shitbag a goddamn thing.

In fact, I'd be willing to give up terminator if it meant Whedon never got another gig in Hollywood for TV or Movies.

I'm sorry you have an irrational hatred for programming that other people enjoy and which nobody is forcing you to watch.

[schild]

You know, considering how without Whedon and Firefly, Summer Glau probably would never have been cast as Cameron.

I don't owe that campy shitbag a goddamn thing.

In fact, I'd be willing to give up terminator if it meant Whedon never got another gig in Hollywood for TV or Movies.

I'm sorry you have an irrational hatred for programming that other people enjoy and which nobody is forcing you to watch.

Actually, Whedon programming is probably the most commonly inflicted programming I have no desire to see and yet is constantly forced on me. Apparently geeks are supposed to like it or some shit.

Firefly was watchable to me. Due mostly to folks I liked prior to Firefly. But Buffy, Angel, and no doubt Dollhouse, comeon! COMEON! Nobody can like that shit as much as people say they like that shit. And I mean nobody.

[Velorath]

You know, considering how without Whedon and Firefly, Summer Glau probably would never have been cast as Cameron.

I don't owe that campy shitbag a goddamn thing.

In fact, I'd be willing to give up terminator if it meant Whedon never got another gig in Hollywood for TV or Movies.

I'm sorry you have an irrational hatred for programming that other people enjoy and which nobody is forcing you to watch.

Actually, Whedon programming is probably the most commonly inflicted programming I have no desire to see and yet is constantly forced on me. Apparently geeks are supposed to like it or some shit.

Firefly was watchable to me. Due mostly to folks I liked prior to Firefly. But Buffy, Angel, and no doubt Dollhouse, comeon! COMEON! Nobody can like that shit as much as people say they like that shit. And I mean nobody.

I like seasons 1-3 of Buffy and the last season of Angel.  The other seasons has some good episodes but the overall story arcs weren't all that good (well I can't really say that in regards to Angel because I only started watching it regularly during Season 3).  I'm sure it's not coincidence that the stuff I didn't like as much was when Whedon was dividing his attention between two shows.  I also loved Firefly.

[stray]

I watched them both, after much avoidance mind you, on a little torrent marathon last year. It could get pretty laborious, I admit, but between the general subject matter and the few characters I really liked, I can't complain. I don't seem to like the show for the reasons that so called Whedon fans do though. Sarah Michelle Gellar is not the main attraction for me. Nor is the redhead. Hell, I'd probably watch a show with just Giles over them. Some characters get much cooler over time though, like Wesley.

[MrHat]

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[Riggswolfe]

Buffy was pretty good, but uneven. Angel and Firefly were great with a few bad episodes in Angel's case. Sorry if you have a sandy vagina about Whedon Schild. I feel the same way about shit like Lost that people rant about and don't see the big deal about JJ Abrams myself.

[Reg]

Dollhouse is going to be awesome. I plan to purchase a lifetime subscription.

[schild]

Buffy was pretty good, but uneven. Angel and Firefly were great with a few bad episodes in Angel's case. Sorry if you have a sandy vagina about Whedon Schild. I feel the same way about shit like Lost that people rant about and don't see the big deal about JJ Abrams myself.

I feel the same way about Lost. JJ Abrams just makes shit up as he goes along. He did it for Alias, but that was worth watching for two of the characters. Fringe is middling. But Lost, Lost makes me Hulk Smash angry.

[stray]

I gave up on Lost. Didn't know he was involved with and haven't seen Alias. I have Season 1 laying around and planned to get to it. I'm a fair man. I'll watch Eliza Dushku simply because she's hot... Will do the same for Jennifer Garner as well. [edit] ETA on someone saying Garner looks "manly" and I call them a faggot?

[LanTheWarder]

The show will be lucky to last one season. It's on FOX and it's been banished to Friday nights.

Who wants to start a pool on how many episodes will air?

[Prospero]

I'm actually curious to see if Hulu can keep it alive. I think Firefly might have lived if Hulu had been around then; my general experience is Whedon fans are fairly tech savvy.

[Big Gulp]

I like seasons 1-3 of Buffy and the last season of Angel.

I forget which season it was, but their last year of high school was good.  The mayor was a hoot.  Once they got to college and opened up that stupid frankenstein storyline?  All downhill from there.  And Angel always sucked.

Firefly I'm meh on.  I wouldn't turn it off, but I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it either.  But yeah, Whedon is vastly overrated.

[Merusk]

I gave up on Lost. Didn't know he was involved with and haven't seen Alias. I have Season 1 laying around and planned to get to it. I'm a fair man. I'll watch Eliza Dushku simply because she's hot... Will do the same for Jennifer Garner as well. [edit] ETA on someone saying Garner looks "manly" and I call them a faggot?

She DOES look like a man.  If you call me a faggot I'll make another incest joke at your expense.   

Angel > Buffy but even then it was hit or miss.  It's not something I'd seek out or want to own, but it was decent enough to watch when it was on TNT and I was home looking for a new job back in '05.

This show, though? I can't even be assed to watch one episode. Maybe if it lasts more than a few weeks I'll pick it up but the entire premise doesn't interest me and the characters just give me a 'slimy/ creepy' vibe from the few commercials I've caught. 

[stray]

She DOES look like a man.  If you call me a faggot I'll make another incest joke at your expense.  

Actually, it's not worth bothering. I'd actually have to get mad or something to argue about it. I don't think she's merely good looking. She's one of hottest actresses I've ever seen.

[Righ]

Firefly was decent because it was the Traveller RPG and the novels of A Bertram Chandler made into cheap TV. Of course it didn't live up to those and Whedon never credited them because he's dishonest. I've never really liked anything else Whedon has done.

Eliza Dushku is an unbelievably bad actress. Signe put some movie (The Alphabet Killer) on our rental list because it had a a decent cast in it. Decent other than the fact that the starring role was filled by Dushku, she got most of the camera time and was completely wooden. It was so dreadful we didn't get past 20 minutes, and by that point I was reading out the hilarious reviews of the film online, most of which agreed with us.

She should definitely be taking her clothes off for a living. Or holding a briefcase on Deal Or No Deal.

[stray]

Eh, put a lot of chicks in dreck like that and they come off worse than they should. Not saying she's a great actress, just a normal one. Shannyn Sossamon is another gorgeous woman who's been relegated to lame horrors and thrillers as well. She's not a great actress either, but she should be playing more quirky stuff. While Eliza Dushku probably stands out well playing tough chick roles.

[schild]

Eh, put a lot of chicks in dreck like that and they come off worse than they should. Not saying she's a great actress, just a normal one. Shannyn Sossamon is another gorgeous woman who's been relegated to lame horrors and thrillers as well. She should be playing more quirky stuff. While Eliza Dushku probably stand out well playing tough chick roles.

Don't compare Dushku to Sossamon. The latter is watchable. You ONLY find Dushku tolerable because you have a huge crush on her. Fact of the matter is she's probably one of the worst actresses in modern Hollywood. And this isn't like some kind of grudge against her, I found her completely watchable in Bring it On, but mostly because it's a guilty pleasure, not because anyone is notably good in it. God, she is just awful.

Edit: Admittedly, I find Sossamon super, super hot. But I'm not going to go out of my way to call her a GOOD actress (or hell, even better than mediocre). But she doesn't make me wretch, that's for sure.

[Samwise]

Don't compare Dushku to Sossamon. The latter is watchable.

Dude... naw.  Naw, dude.

They're both wretched.

[stray]

Don't compare Dushku to Sossamon. The latter is watchable. You ONLY find Dushku tolerable because you have a huge crush on her.

Yeah, I think she's hot. But I thought she was pretty good as Faith. You're wrong about Sossamon though. I'd rather see her more.. in better parts, that is. She could be doing so many cooler things than she does. And I done told you she looks like she could be a relative or something. So in an odd way, I identify with her. Sounds silly and all that, but if people complain about not seeing Latinos or Blacks enough in media, I'd say the same thing for my own mutt kind. :P

[naum]

Driving the other day, I caught Whedon being interviewed by NPR about the show…

In the new show's premise, Dushku's character, Echo, is an "active" — someone who has volunteered to have her personality erased. Every week, the Dollhouse installs a new personality into her and sends her out on "engagements" that involve sex, violence and, often, both.

It's a surprising show from someone who, in a 2006 acceptance speech for an award he was given from the women's human rights group Equality Now, said, "The misogyny that is in every culture is not a true part of the human condition. It is life out of balance, and that imbalance is sucking something out of the soul of every man and woman who's confronted with it."

Jacki Lyden asks Whedon to explain how a show starring a young female character who has no free will isn't the ultimate misogynistic male fantasy.

"I won't necessarily say that it isn't that," Whedon says. "The fact of the matter is that, in the wrong hands, it is a completely misogynist thing, except it's happening to men as well — but what we're trying to do is take someone's identity away in order to discuss the concept of her identity."

…Friday nights are typically the death knell for shows, but Whedon has enough fanbois, who knows…

…and while it really doesn't appeal to me, you can't say this one has been done on TV before ;)