Fallout 3 [spoilers, etc]

[Venkman]

Does Talon Company come after you if you're evil?

I keep forgetting to check my Karma, but I've given enough Purified Water to that guy outside of Megaton and freed enough Super Mutant prisoners you'd think I'd have a halo by now. But I've gotten attacked twice by Talon Company. Both times they've helped me repair armor and weapons, but they still cost me ammo. Ammo! This stuff ain't free!

And what got me to wondering: do you take a Karma hit for merely opening containers deemed red? Or do you only take a Karma hit if you take something from a red-cursor'd container?

And is there some other reason Talon would come after you? Both groups had what amounts to a work order to take me out. They didn't look like how Vault 101 folks would talk though so I'm wondering if it's Enclave. And therefore I'm wondering if being a goody-two-shoes makes just as much of a name myself in the Wastes as being a bad guy would too.

Fake edit: Thanks Riggs. Good to know that, yes, the game is just that deep. I too hope there's an answer there. For now I'm going Enclave.

[schild]

You have to be totally evil to get Jericho. All of the followers are overpowered btw.

Anyway, deep? No. Fallout 3 isn't deep. I've logged somewhere around 40-45 hours on this thing, and deepness is simply not how I'd describe it. It does have breadth though.

Talon company will come at you if you're good or evil afaict.

[Hindenburg]

You do? That's odd. I was good from the start and the dialogue choice still appeared >_>
Might have something to do with having 9 int 9 char.
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And what got me to wondering: do you take a Karma hit for merely opening containers deemed red? Or do you only take a Karma hit if you take something from a red-cursor'd container?

Only for looting, opening is fine, provided no one sees you doing it.

I got the impression that Talon Company is thrown at you by Burke, since he says that there would be repercussions, after popping a cap in Lucas. Since Lucas is alive in my game, and Burke ended on a ditch, I assumed that he had told someone that he hired me, and then, when he didn't report back, people just found out what happened.

Also, Tenpenny isn't evil, he's just batshit insane. Quite a nice guy, even says that he never ordered blowing up Megaton, only that he thought it made the scenery ugly. Burke found a solution.
Tenpenny also doesn't hate ghouls. Heck, he even liked having them in the building, would serve as fresh targets if they tried anything.

[schild]

The dialogue choices appeared and he says flat out that you're not evil enough.

[SnakeCharmer]

I've been killing everyone I meet, after I get what I need from them.  I did most of the quests in Megaton, then went back and mowed everyone down.  Figure I'll blow it up when I get to Tenpenny.  Even killed the droid outside of it.  And the begger.  And the caravan people (after I sold a bunch of stuff to the guy, repaired what I needed repairing, then put a few bullets in him and took all my stuff/caps back  ).

Good fun, other than having to restart it every f00king time I leave a town or building because of a memory leak.

[Lantyssa]

Oh, does anyone know how to bring Walter back?  He's completely disappeared from my game and I have like 100 pieces of scrap to give him.  I don't need it so much now, but I figure it'll be useful if he disappears in other play throughs since the roommie had troubles, too.

[Venkman]

Yea, I was just talking to a buddy about that. I have no idea what happened to him. Something like 12-13 gamedays ago he just stopped showing up. Are the pipes that secure? Was SnakeCharmer's killing spree so wide he capped Walter in my game too?

[Riggswolfe]

Oh, does anyone know how to bring Walter back?  He's completely disappeared from my game and I have like 100 pieces of scrap to give him.  I don't need it so much now, but I figure it'll be useful if he disappears in other play throughs since the roommie had troubles, too.

There is a ghoul in the Underground or whatever they call it that takes scrap metal too.

[Rasix]

Oh, does anyone know how to bring Walter back?  He's completely disappeared from my game and I have like 100 pieces of scrap to give him.  I don't need it so much now, but I figure it'll be useful if he disappears in other play throughs since the roommie had troubles, too.

He walks around some.  I've been turning scrap into him for a long time now.  Sometime it's hard to pin down when he's going to be loitering or actually DOING HIS DAMN JOB.

[LK]

So I managed to finish Replicated Man but I was wondering if there was more to the Android Railroad or if in fact you can't find the place or people at all. I remember the chick who came up to me about it: Victoria Watts. But I haven't found her at all.

There are a bunch of places like Little Lamplight that I haven't investigated further because I was just exploring. Vault 87 is interesting.

Also, I am so not finding many Bobbleheads. But I took a high Int High Skill points playthrough so all my skills are practically 100 now.

[Riggswolfe]

So I managed to finish Replicated Man but I was wondering if there was more to the Android Railroad or if in fact you can't find the place or people at all. I remember the chick who came up to me about it: Victoria Watts. But I haven't found her at all.

There are a bunch of places like Little Lamplight that I haven't investigated further because I was just exploring. Vault 87 is interesting.

Also, I am so not finding many Bobbleheads. But I took a high Int High Skill points playthrough so all my skills are practically 100 now.

Victoria Watts is in the upper level of the Market in Rivet City. After this quest she doesn't do anything except say you can't be seen talking to each other. This android underground sounds like awesome DLC material to me.

Go to gamefaqs. They have a list of bobblehead locations. I had most of them by my teens and picked up the last few after I got the explorer perk.

[Strazos]

Any sort of consensus on what the best weapon types are, or pros/cons? Obviously Heavies will blow the piss out of everything, but what about small arms vs energy?

Going energy at the moment, just wondering if I'd be better off with small arms.


Some really cool moments in this game though, such as :


And damn, I am so tempted to go up to heavier armor, but I love the armored jumpsuit I have that is +5 Small Arms/Energy.

[LK]

I just make it a point not to get hit in the first place. Reilly's Rangers Armor works great (repairable by getting Talon Company suits) for me.

Though Power Armor has the "cool" factor.

[Lantyssa]

He walks around some.  I've been turning scrap into him for a long time now.  Sometime it's hard to pin down when he's going to be loitering or actually DOING HIS DAMN JOB.

No, he is completely gone.  I've been in every building.  Lapped the city multiple times.  Waited in his shack in short intervals for five day spurts.  Vanished, like abducted by aliens.

[Lum]

I've spent... I don't know, 35 hours on the game and the main quest is so uncompelling I'll probably never finish it. I just... couldn't care less. The only reason to do it would seem to be the ability to wear power armor, and even then, you have to dig through the cave at Olney to get the good power armor. /shrug

You have to.

You HAVE to do the main quest.

Why? Two words: LIBERTY PRIME.

No, really. You have to. COMMUNISM IS A LIE!

Totally awesome spoiler video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxA-tUXzMrI

Talon company will come at you if you're good or evil afaict.

Burke puts a hit on you if you turn his offer to blow up Megaton down. He mentions as such when he leaves.

[schild]

Burke puts a hit on you if you turn his offer to blow up Megaton down. He mentions as such when he leaves.

I don't see how that has to do with what I said. Talon Company came after me and I'm evil and blew up Megaton. It's possible, but unlikely that they only started coming after I killed Burke.

[Riggswolfe]

Any sort of consensus on what the best weapon types are, or pros/cons? Obviously Heavies will blow the piss out of everything, but what about small arms vs energy?

Going energy at the moment, just wondering if I'd be better off with small arms.

Towards the end I used the Terrible Shotgun, a massively damaging combat shotgun I got from killing a raider trader in Etton Mills or whatever it's called. Fully repaired it does something like 70ish damage a shot. This was my in-close weapon. I also used a laser rifle, then later a plasma rifle. I noticed that my range with them was long, in fact, I could get headshots in vats from a longer range than I could even with sniper guns, or so it felt to me. I noticed that when I critted with my laser rifle it was pretty much instant death.

Some really cool moments in this game though, such as :

To respond to the above spoiler.

[LK]

Burke puts a hit on you if you turn his offer to blow up Megaton down. He mentions as such when he leaves.

I don't see how that has to do with what I said. Talon Company came after me and I'm evil and blew up Megaton. It's possible, but unlikely that they only started coming after I killed Burke.

Yeah, if it was Burke that sent Talon Company after me, I find it a bug that he was able to after I took his fucking head off for killing Simms.

[rattran]

If you're Evil the Regulators come after you. With nifty trenchcoats and energy weapons. And whereas energy weapons suck early in the game, with proper perks (50% crit bonus, sniper, more AP, commando, and VATS refills on VATS kill) you become an unstoppable 1-shot killer. Nothing like 5 headshot kills in one VATS, and still having full AP.

Also, the sat towers in the upper northwest? Control bases for launchable nukes. Which are still viable. I went from 'Paragon of Humanity' to totally evil in one click. On the down side, there seems to be more radiation on the map now, and Fawkes keeps telling me I'm evil.  That said, I'm pretty close to done until mods come out for the game.

[Riggswolfe]

So you were actually able to launch the nukes??

[Warskull]

On Mr. Burke:

On the ending:

[schild]

I highly recommend raiding the Outcast fort. They'll start coming after you when you do that also :)

Basically, you don't have to go to Tesla and Power Armor, it'll come to you.

[Hindenburg]

Yeah, if it was Burke that sent Talon Company after me, I find it a bug that he was able to after I took his fucking head off for killing Simms.

Eh, it isn't a huge stretch to imagine that Tenpenny sent someone to investigate why Burke was M.I.A, and that chap asked around Megaton, thus learning the story and placing the hit.

[rattran]

So you were actually able to launch the nukes??

Yep, from one of the sat towers (launch code on the ghoul scientist) and from Fort Constantine, but those were ICBM's so I'm not sure just who I nuked with those. Damnit, If I can't have a home in the game, I'll try to blow up everyone.

[Riggswolfe]

Damn, now I have to play it again!

[Warskull]

So you were actually able to launch the nukes??

Yep, from one of the sat towers (launch code on the ghoul scientist) and from Fort Constantine, but those were ICBM's so I'm not sure just who I nuked with those. Damnit, If I can't have a home in the game, I'll try to blow up everyone.

If you check the computer again it says something about a launch error.

[Venkman]

He walks around some.  I've been turning scrap into him for a long time now.  Sometime it's hard to pin down when he's going to be loitering or actually DOING HIS DAMN JOB.

No, he is completely gone.  I've been in every building.  Lapped the city multiple times.  Waited in his shack in short intervals for five day spurts.  Vanished, like abducted by aliens.

Same. There is a "Megaton Settler" that looks a bit like what I think Walter looked liked. And I've seen Leo Stahl skulking in the Water Treatment room. But no Walter.

Maybe the Vampires of Merisetti got him.

Speaking of which, I like those guys. Yea, sure, they drink blood and were cannibals. But that's what the emergent culture did in one of those asteroids-hitting-Earth books from Arthur C Clark (Hammer of God maybe?), and their reasoning made the same sense it did with The Family. Shows loyality but in a group of relatively honorable people. Of course, that only makes sense in a lawless land ;-)

[rattran]

So you were actually able to launch the nukes??

Yep, from one of the sat towers (launch code on the ghoul scientist) and from Fort Constantine, but those were ICBM's so I'm not sure just who I nuked with those. Damnit, If I can't have a home in the game, I'll try to blow up everyone.

If you check the computer again it says something about a launch error.

Fort Constantine they may have gone off in the tubes, as the whole place rumbled and shook and lit up for a few minutes, but the silo ones launched. Blew the hell out of several Enclave outposts.

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Also, if you want to act evil, and stay good, take the lawbringer perk. Nuked Megaton while neutral and became the Scourge of Humanity? 43 finger turn-ins will fix it. Killed and Robbed everyone, then nuked Megaton, then killed everyone in Rivet city via a stack of stealth boys and putting plasma mines in their pants, then shot up and robbed all the wandering traders? 60 fingers covers it.

[rk47]

Mister Crowley quest turned into a funny adventure for my playthrough. I couldn't convince him to tell me where the Fort Constantine is, so I decided to turn the keys over to him. Then he started to make a move, a thought came over me, maybe I should follow him?

I did. For a good 15 minutes he walked from Underworld, tagging radscorpions, supermutants, enclave with me and Jericho backing him up. There was one point he ran out of ammo, stabbed an Raider with his switchblade and took the fallen Raider's Flamer,....and put it on. Hilarious. A long trek later, we reached Fort Constantine and I said good bye to the partnership with a sniper round to his head. Took the keys and went to loot the Fort. Good times. Except Jericho had to die along the way. 

[Sky]

Mister Crowley quest turned into a funny adventure for my playthrough. I couldn't convince him to tell me where the Fort Constantine is, so I decided to turn the keys over to him. Then he started to make a move, a thought came over me, maybe I should follow him?

I did. For a good 15 minutes he walked from Underworld, tagging radscorpions, supermutants, enclave with me and Jericho backing him up. There was one point he ran out of ammo, stabbed an Raider with his switchblade and took the fallen Raider's Flamer,....and put it on. Hilarious. A long trek later, we reached Fort Constantine and I said good bye to the partnership with a sniper round to his head. Took the keys and went to loot the Fort. Good times. Except Jericho had to die along the way. 

That's fucking awesome.

[rk47]

Yeah the coolest part was when he flamed a radscorpion to death and muttered 'Good enough' and pulled out a cigarette to smoke on his right hand.

[Sky]

I had my first hit squad try to gank me last night. I dropped a couple mines and tore off into a pack of dogs, jumped on an old car over a fence, dogs pathed back into the hit squad and started tearing them up while I lobbed grenades over the fence. I love emergent stuff, makes games so much more interesting.

[Riggswolfe]

About the Vault 101 adult quest:

[Rishathra]

So I found Dogmeat.  I'm too scared to bring him along with me on my treks.  Is he actually useful?  Is it a pain to keep him alive?  Or is his benefit mainly just "holy crap it's a dog named Dogmeat!!!"

[Ragnoros]

I have not used him, but my brother says he kicks ass. Not a liability at all.