SWTOR

[Murgos]

I'd just like to be the first to predict the upcoming lightbows and lightarrows.  

Laser guns and lasers seem to already fit that description...

[01101010]

I'd just like to be the first to predict the upcoming lightbows and lightarrows.  

Laser guns and lasers seem to already fit that description...

I was always a fan of Chewy's crossbow.

[Tyrnan]

I'd just like to be the first to predict the upcoming lightbows and lightarrows.  

Why not? Tabula Rasa has Laser Shotguns 

[Surlyboi]

Had 

[tmp]

I'd just like to be the first to predict the upcoming lightbows and lightarrows.  

They will just throw these lighsabers really, really often

edit: i stand corrected; there's apparently no idea bad enough that wasn't made part of Star Wars already.

[Furiously]

I'd just like to be the first to predict the upcoming lightbows and lightarrows.  

Laser guns and lasers seem to already fit that description...

I was always a fan of Chewy's crossbow.

It's called a bowcaster....

[Sky]

Can we discuss class roles without "like x in wow" as if we're mentally handicapped and unable to understand the difference between ranged dps and melee dps? Trying to shoehorn mmo discussion into one shitty (yet popular) mmo's shoes is GETTING FUCKING OLD.

[Tyrnan]

Had 

Oops, yeah that was what I meant to type. I think I'll go reminisce about how much fun defending CPs was, and how many times I one-shotted myself trying to backstab Linkers on my Spy.

[Crumbs]

I used to wonder if my love for eps 4-6 and hate for eps 1-3 was based on my age.  Then one day I rewatched TPM and this scene made it crystal clear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddpTlzzgtrA

Not only is that SO not how even a jedi should react to almost being eaten by a huge monster, but what happens not thirty seconds later?  THEY ARE CHASED BY ANOTHER LARGE CREATURE THAT IS EATEN BY A LARGER CREATURE.  FFFFUUUUUUUUUUU

Ah, much better 

[Paelos]

Can we discuss class roles without "like x in wow" as if we're mentally handicapped and unable to understand the difference between ranged dps and melee dps? Trying to shoehorn mmo discussion into one shitty (yet popular) mmo's shoes is GETTING FUCKING OLD.

Unlikely. When something redefines a genre for the masses, the nomenclature gets used. Sorry.

[Sky]

So...because the "masses" had the genre redefined, we all have to use baby-talk here, too?

Because I know what a ranged dps is without 'you know, like a hunter'.

[Draegan]

It's really hard to use ranged dps vs. melee dps?  Everyone I know uses those terms. 

Edit:
Then again Paelos is obsessed with WOW; given all those "Why I quit Today" posts for over 3 months of stalking.

[Pezzle]

Ranged damage is perfectly viable in ToR.  You can be force or Dakka and even tank! 

[Fordel]

Saying something is Ranged DPS or Melee DPS isn't saying very much though.


An Shadow Priest and a Elemental Shaman are both ranged DPS, but they don't play anything like each other for example.

[Pezzle]

Those comments do not exist in a vacuum.  We are not talking about theory or alpha builds.  Significant information exists on the various classes and functions.  At this stage, smuggler or commando should be clear enough that using simple expressions is adequate enough.  Going further is going to be NDA though, right? 

[eldaec]

If you are going to limit yourself to wow vocabulary you are going to a hard time discussing anything that happened in the genre post EQ.

But whatever, this easily the most retarded derail in 340 pages.

I heard troopers suck because how can a stormtrooper be as cool as a jedi?

[Murgos]

Saying something is Ranged DPS or Melee DPS isn't saying very much though.


An Shadow Priest and a Elemental Shaman are both ranged DPS, but they don't play anything like each other for example.

Yeah, because everything can be clearly defined in terms of what it most resembles in wow.  Because WoW created all the canonical forms and thus everything can only be variation on the type.

Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break. From. This. Myopic. Bullshit.

[Lucas]

So, - 50 days to release.

[UnSub]

So, - 50 days to release.

And 57 pages to 400. A page or more a day folks - that's what we're aiming for.

[Mrbloodworth]

Why do you guys bemoan "Standard" MMORPG classes/designs, but then bitch there is no "Pure" <insert class spec here>...?

[Nebu]

Why do you guys bemoan "Standard" MMORPG classes/designs, but then bitch there is no "Pure" <insert class spec here>...?

Welcome to f13.  Are you new here? 

[Sky]

And 57 pages to 400. A page or more a day folks - that's what we're aiming for.

Doing my best  

But whatever, this easily the most retarded derail in 340 pages.

WINNING

[Mrbloodworth]

Why do you guys bemoan "Standard" MMORPG classes/designs, but then bitch there is no "Pure" <insert class spec here>...?

Welcome to f13.  Are you new here? 

Occasionally I wake up.

[Draegan]

Saying something is Ranged DPS or Melee DPS isn't saying very much though.


An Shadow Priest and a Elemental Shaman are both ranged DPS, but they don't play anything like each other for example.

That's just a silly thing to say.  When you're talking about video games, Ranged/Melee is perfectly fine.  When talking about WOW you're allowed to qualify.  If we're not talking about WOW, no one gives a shit.

[Paelos]

Here's a shocker, you old farts: not everyone who played MMOGs knows about D&D, UO, EQ, DAOC, or whatever. They know WoW and that was their introduction to the whole damn thing. They don't care about RPG "roots" or have ever seen a monster manual or class sheet.

It's not baby-talk or insulting to use those terms when describing rehashed class mechanics with sci-fi skins. Get over yourselves.

[Surlyboi]

It is here.

If you're on f13 and don't know anything other than WoW, either educate yourself or GTFO.

[Draegan]

Here's a shocker, you old farts: not everyone who played MMOGs knows about D&D, UO, EQ, DAOC, or whatever. They know WoW and that was their introduction to the whole damn thing. They don't care about RPG "roots" or have ever seen a monster manual or class sheet.

It's not baby-talk or insulting to use those terms when describing rehashed class mechanics with sci-fi skins. Get over yourselves.

That's just retarded.  Even in WOW speak different specs mean different things depending on when you last played.  So it's stupid anyway.

It is here.

If you're on f13 and don't know anything other than WoW, either educate yourself or GTFO.

Also this.  If you're too retarded to understand what Ranged DPS and Melee DPS mean then fuck off. 

[Paelos]

It is here.

If you're on f13 and don't know anything other than WoW, either educate yourself or GTFO.

Educate yourself on what? The glory of things before? Point me in the direction of those games please.

[luckton]

If you're on f13 and don't know anything other than WoW, either educate yourself or GTFO.

Also this.  If you're too retarded to understand what Ranged DPS and Melee DPS mean then fuck off. 

Perhaps we should establish some 'guidelines' and sticky them? 

[Surlyboi]

It is here.

If you're on f13 and don't know anything other than WoW, either educate yourself or GTFO.

Educate yourself on what? The glory of things before? Point me in the direction of those games please.

Educate yourself on the fact that WoW did not invent any of that shit. It took it all and dumbed it down for the fucktarded masses. All of us "old farts" know that and so do you.

[Mrbloodworth]

Its still rather complicated for anyone who did not grow up on DnD. Hell, its still complicated for anyone.

[Paelos]

Educate yourself on the fact that WoW did not invent any of that shit. It took it all and dumbed it down for the fucktarded masses. All of us "old farts" know that and so do you.

I find that comment especially hilarious from a man with a Steve Jobs avatar.

[Sky]

If anything, I'd couch things in Rift terms if we really need to add a layer of example to the raw terms. It's at least modern and varied.

I used shoehorning quite intentionally, since I've seen a lot of 'well, it's kinda like a shadow priest but also with a dildo mage' (I don't play wow, I don't know the jive). How about 'it's a ranged tank with some cc and a heat buildup mechanism that also excels at taunting at close range'. You know, the game we're actually discussing.

I do love the irony of using a 7 yr old game as an example of not knowing about older games. Your info, sehr modern!

[Paelos]

I'm using the game that had millions of players as the example.

Sorta like how people compare compact cars to the Camry. Or how people compare phone features to the Iphone. Or how people compare baseball teams to the Yankees. Or how compare operating systems to Windows. Or how people compare investors to Warren Buffett.

[Surlyboi]

Educate yourself on the fact that WoW did not invent any of that shit. It took it all and dumbed it down for the fucktarded masses. All of us "old farts" know that and so do you.

I find that comment especially hilarious from a man with a Steve Jobs avatar.

You would, but then again, you apparently can't tell the difference between inspired usability and specifically made-for-the-unwashed-masses mediocrity, so go figure.

Still, I don't blame you for your Stockholm syndrome.