SWTOR

[Sky]

Here's what we know so far:

1) No combat details
2) No class progression details beyond it being personal story arcs at first/for awhile (implication is AoC Tortage)
3) NPC henchmen are in. You can socialize with them in various forms including furry stuff romance.
4) Graphics are way early but not inspiring. Example 1. Example 2.
5) No idea on schedule.
6) No idea on beta.

After 300 pages....about the same.  

fakedit: aaand, it's over. Vader closes out 300 with a shiner.

[luckton]

Here's what we know so far:

1) No combat details
2) No class progression details beyond it being personal story arcs at first/for awhile (implication is AoC Tortage)
3) NPC henchmen are in. You can socialize with them in various forms including furry stuff romance.
4) Graphics are way early but not inspiring. Example 1. Example 2.
5) No idea on schedule.
6) No idea on beta.

After 300 pages....about the same.  

fakedit: aaand, it's over. Vader closes out 300 with a shiner.

We should seriously post that on the news page and frame it something 

[Lantyssa]

Damn.  Three years and we really don't know that much more.

[DraconianOne]

Damn.  Three years and we really don't know that much more.

That's harsh. We know there's space combat.


Kinda.

[luckton]

Damn.  Three years and we really don't know that much more.

That's harsh. We know there's space combat.


Kinda.

TOR Space Combat

 

[Sky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7_6FWMFgiI

[Kirth]

Onward to 600! 

[luckton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7_6FWMFgiI

Thank you for reminding us just how far we've come.   

[Shatter]

In for 301!!

[Nonentity]

The thread that won't die.

[Ingmar]

Damn.  Three years and we really don't know that much more.

What exactly is left to know, honestly?

[Rasix]

I could say Bio-WoW in space one more time, but I think people are just tuning me out at this point.

[Paelos]

DIALOGUE-WHEEL-RAIDING!

[DraconianOne]

I could say Bio-WoW in space one more time, but I think people are just tuning me out at this point.

What did you say?

[Sky]

DIALOGUE-WHEEL-RAIDING!

How are you pooping:

-Jar
-Sock
-Container? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' CONTAINER!

Renegade interrupt - I'm pooping right now!

[Paelos]

Also, all the Sith Dialogue options end with sandwich-rape.

[Draegan]

Here's what we know so far:

1) No combat details
2) No class progression details beyond it being personal story arcs at first/for awhile (implication is AoC Tortage)
3) NPC henchmen are in. You can socialize with them in various forms including furry stuff romance.
4) Graphics are way early but not inspiring. Example 1. Example 2.
5) No idea on schedule.
6) No idea on beta.

After 300 pages....about the same.  

fakedit: aaand, it's over. Vader closes out 300 with a shiner.

I knoooow you love being snarky, but we know all of this.

1) You have all the combat details you want.  It's been played.  I can tell you anything you want.  It's a DIKU combat with no autoattack.  Abilities have individual cooldowns.

2) Class Progression details are you there with all the information you want on the official homepage.  Full blown info on all Advanced Classes.  We even know a bunch of abilities from conventions.  We just don't have a fully listen ability tree and talents.

3)  Tons of info out there on companions.  What they do, how you can sexorz them, how you can dress them up, how you can interact with them.  Etc.  You know about mission skills, crew skills, crafting, gathering etc. etc.

4)  Graphics have improved slightly, but there are screenshots coming out every week, and there are tons of gameplay footage.  Graphics are subject to personal opinion obviously.  But all that is out there.

5)  We have a much more narrow idea of when the game is launching.

6)  Beta started a while ago.  Weekend beta already had weekend #1, weekend #2 is soon after new build is up and running.


Sooooo.....  

What else do you think we're missing other than a release date?


Edit: I missed page 300!  Damnit!

[Simond]

What else do you think we're missing other than a release date?

LFD. 

[sam, an eggplant]

Sooooo.....  

What else do you think we're missing other than a release date?

What wrong choices have they made, from the stance of a poster on these boards (an old hand)? How does it compare to WoW/LOTRO/Rift? How much content is there, really? What is the endgame? Is PvP meaningful? How will it perform on my computer? How's the UI? What's broken? How polished is it, and are some areas more polished than others?

You may think you can answer those questions, but even if you religiously absorbed every leak, you really can't without playing the game and reading the beta forums. You've only got the broad strokes.

[Sjofn]

Fuck meaningful PvP.

There, I said it!

[Malakili]

Agreed.  I like meaningful PvP in my MMOs, but don't bother even trying to tack it on to a game like this.  Shit, just re-release star wars battle front with a persistent galaxy map or something if you need to make a meaningful star wars PvP MMO.

[sam, an eggplant]

I personally don't care about PvP at all. I never PvP.

The obvious question, of course, is if PvP isn't meaningful or rewarding (and I'm not saying it is or isn't in SWTOR, just raising the question), why have it? Because WoW does?

Anyway that was just one example question that nobody can answer due to NDA.

[Nebu]

I personally don't care about PvP at all. I never PvP. The obvious question is if PvP isn't meaningful or rewarding (and I'm not saying it is or isn't in SWTOR, just raising the question), why have it? Because WoW does?

Because it's something for solo players to do when there's nothing else to do.  Broken or not, it still offers an alternate advancement pathway.  It's usually enough to get another $15 from me in an MMO.  

[sam, an eggplant]

it still offers an alternate advancement pathway.

Does it, though? And if so, is it worth doing?

[Nebu]

it still offers an alternate advancement pathway.

Does it, though? And if so, is it worth doing?

In WoW there was gear and an arena rating advancement path.  In Rift there was a gear and ability path (pvp soul).  If you enjoy fighting against players, you can find fun.  You just have to go in with the understanding that it will likely be a horribly flawed system. 

[sam, an eggplant]

I don't think you're following. What I'm trying to say is that you're making assumptions about SWTOR that may not necessarily be correct, because the game is under NDA. If you read half a page up, Draegan was saying that the NDA didn't matter because he already knew everything about the game. That is not the case.

[Nebu]

I was referring to MMO pvp in general.  I wasn't speaking about TOR at all.  I know nothing about TOR.  

Sorry about that.

[Fordel]

Fuck meaningful PvP.

There, I said it!

What do you think DaoC was? 

[Nebu]

What do you think DaoC was? 

An evil demon that sucked 5 years of my life away!   

[luckton]

With as much talk as DAoC gets for having a PvP system that just 'worked', it's a wonder why they don't have as many people playing today as they did at their peak 

DAoC set out from the beginning to offer a MMO PVP experience.  Because they paired it along with a strong PvE element, it gave it enough weight to hold people on for a long time.  Because let's face it, we 'need' PvE to offset mind PvP, and vice-versa.  If we can get both in the same game at a good quality, so much the better.

Warhammer tried to recapture that lightning that DAoC had and failed miserably, and I blame that mostly on it being both half-baked at launch and not having the same strength as DAoC had.

Seriously, besides Darkfall, what other MMO set in the vein of DIKU-style gameplay said that it was going to offer meaningful PvP from the start?

[Nebu]

Seriously, besides Darkfall, what other MMO set in the vein of DIKU-style gameplay said that it was going to offer meaningful PvP from the start?

Lineage, Aion, and Shadowbane come to mind.

[Fordel]

Warhammer tried to capture WoW's BG centric PvP then realized in the last month of their development that everyone actually wanted DaoC 2.0.

DaoC PvE was anything but strong. 

[Ingmar]

Because they paired it along with a strong PvE element

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

[Nebu]

Mythic's attempt to add meaningful PvE (Trials of Atlantis) nearly killed DAoC.   Mythic really never had a handle on what good PvE was. 

[tazelbain]

Maybe people around here wanted DAoC 2, but we're hardly the MMO market.