SWTOR

[Outlawedprod]

11-20 BGs are bad crazy, sure. But what about 80-85? We're talking a shift of HP bordering nearly 100k difference in those 5 levels for some classes. One hundred fucking thousand HP. The inflation is pants-on-head clownshoes titty twisting insane. For me, that was the straw that broke the decrepit PvP Camel's back in WoW.

75-79 bracket is where the real imbalances can happen.  Short lived twinks because of xp levelling but they can sure have fun for awhile.
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/medivh/healbot/advanced

[Fordel]

All the sub-cap BGs are broken, they fucked up non-cap scaling amazingly with Cata.


My Prot Paladin has been a immortal god of war it's entire lowbie BG experience.

[Shrike]

My Prot Paladin has been a immortal god of war it's entire lowbie BG experience.

Live the dream!

I just made a hunter twink for bracket PvP and it's...almost not fair. Fun as hell, but I almost feel sorry for the hordies.

That's a lie of course, but hey...it's payback.

[Sheepherder]

That's not unique to 4.0.  Hunters have been absurd since early WotLK and in the interim Blizzard has seemed really hesitant to nerf them too hard.

[Merusk]

I look at it as them trying to make up for hunters continued under representation in Arena play.  They've also dipped below being the the most popular class for the first time in ages, something Blizz had said does determine how hard they nerf a class. (Although that doesn't explain the continued uberness of druids.)

In fact, they're #3 at 85, only slightly ahead of DKs who've (apparently) had all sorts of raiding and mechanics issues that have caused their numbers to drop off.

[apocrypha]

See, now you're talking about WoW pvp in the SWTOR thread.

Getting to 300 pages that way doesn't count!   

[Malakili]

See, now you're talking about WoW pvp in the SWTOR thread.

Getting to 300 pages that way doesn't count!   

We've all seen the leaked stuff, we can't talk about the game anymore as we are all walking NDA violations.  Seriously though, if we have to feign ignorance about what SWTOR is like in practice, then we may as well go full on theoretical anyway.

[Kirth]

See, now you're talking about WoW pvp in the SWTOR thread.

Getting to 300 pages that way doesn't count!   

We've all seen the leaked stuff, we can't talk about the game anymore as we are all walking NDA violations.  Seriously though, if we have to feign ignorance about what SWTOR is like in practice, then we may as well go full on theoretical anyway.

I theorize that there will be lightsabers...and blasters...and someone will have a bad feeling about something. I'm not in the beta and don't pay attention to leak sites so my viewpoints are fresh and untainted.

[Crumbs]

I watched Insidious the other night.  Had really low expectations, but it turned out to be pretty good.  Recommended.

[eldaec]

Further back this thread includes a page and a half on the subject of whether superman would beat the hulk in a fight.

WoW "pvp" is practically on topic in the grand scheme of things.

Btw, which are better, tanks or mechs?

[Mattemeo]

Btw, which are better, tanks or mechs?

That question is highly dependant on knowing what sort of terrain is involved.

[Sky]

Jedi mechs with giant lightsabers. And shoulderpads.

[Evildrider]

Just as an fyi, it looks like they are going to be doing guild betas in the next testing phase.  If the guild leader gets an invite, all the members get in as well.

[Lantyssa]

No pressure, Sky.  No pressure.

[Malakili]

If Bat Country gets selected we can see how firm people stay on their stance that they don't want to beta a game with a story focus.

[Reg]

It would certainly save a lot time given that F13 guilds rarely last more than a month.

[01101010]

It would certainly save a lot time given that F13 guilds rarely last more than a month.

 

Christ, if we get a guild invite I'd be hard pressed to pass on it since it would have the bulk of the client already downloaded for release... And I could fuck around with a class I do not intend to play at all come release and thus I could at least see some of the story elements for that class. Am I doing it right?

[Merusk]

That'd be my plan.

[Lantyssa]

Sadly, I only want in beta at this point to see if I will change my stance of not buying it until it's on for a cheap sale.

[Malakili]

Sadly, I only want in beta at this point to see if I will change my stance of not buying it until it's on for a cheap sale.

I don't know that actually playing an MMO has ever made me more excited about it than I was before hand.

[Sjofn]

WoW's beta did, and CoX's beta was a pleasant surprise and made me go from "City of What?" to "sure, I'll buy it."

[Sky]

No pressure, Sky.  No pressure.

As someone firmly in the 'not going to beta' camp, I'll sign up for beta (if offered, obviously) so those that wish to check it out, can. Also wondering if the retail will patch the beta client or be a full download. My money is on full download, given past experiences.

[Threash]

There are more than enough classes that i know i wouldn't be ruining anything by playing a beta.

[Miasma]

I've already preordered a CE so the only reason I'd want in the beta is to find out what the republican scum is up to on their happy little worlds.

[Surlyboi]

Plotting to kill your imperial punk asses.

[Evildrider]

There are more than enough classes that i know i wouldn't be ruining anything by playing a beta.

Yeah I'm going Sith, so I'm playing Republic side to get a feel for the game.

[Sky]

Plotting to kill your imperial punk asses.

If you only knew the power of the dark side, Shirley Bob.

[Ginaz]

With some analysts predicting 3 million in sales the first year for TOR and BF3 expected to sell even more, if I had the money, I would be investing a lot in EA right now.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-08-11-analysts-predict-3-million-sales-for-swtor

http://news.yahoo.com/electronic-arts-time-play-cowen-upgrades-outperform-121954457.html

[Azuredream]

I was going to say that sounds insane until I read "in the first year," which sounds pretty plausible to me.

[eldaec]

Btw, which are better, tanks or mechs?

That question is highly dependant on knowing what sort of terrain is involved.

Interestingly, the Hulk/Superman debate drew the same conclusion.

[palmer_eldritch]

The one beta I'm delighted I got into was Warhammer, because it was a brilliant, fun game in beta.

You have to be careful with these "who would win" debates because it always seemed like a no-brainer that Superman could beat Batman, but when they fought it was actually Batman that won.

[Malakili]

The one beta I'm delighted I got into was Warhammer, because it was a brilliant, fun game in beta.

You have to be careful with these "who would win" debates because it always seemed like a no-brainer that Superman could beat Batman, but when they fought it was actually Batman that won.

I think MMO can be fun precisely BECAUSE of the impending character wipe.  People just do the parts they enjoy when they know they can't keep stuff anyway.  WAR suffered heavily from this.  Non stop RvR in tier 1 and 2 beta I was convinced they had hit the nail on the head with the game, but as soon as release hit it was mostly only scenarios because it was more efficient for leveling.   

[01101010]

The one beta I'm delighted I got into was Warhammer, because it was a brilliant, fun game in beta.

I think MMO can be fun precisely BECAUSE of the impending character wipe.  People just do the parts they enjoy when they know they can't keep stuff anyway.  WAR suffered heavily from this.  Non stop RvR in tier 1 and 2 beta I was convinced they had hit the nail on the head with the game, but as soon as release hit it was mostly only scenarios because it was more efficient for leveling.   

That is the caveat though. How to make your game as much fun as the "what-the-fuck-ever it's beta play for the sake of being fun" and the "time to get serious now release play" in which people have to find and unlock the easiest/most efficient leveling track while forgetting about the game. Not sure how you even do something like that given the "persistence" factor of an MMO and the population that plays the game.

[eldaec]

Non stop RvR in tier 1 and 2 beta I was convinced they had hit the nail on the head with the game, but as soon as release hit it was mostly only scenarios because it was more efficient for leveling.   

Mythic had openly said they felt they had to make scenarios more popular in order to avoid having the popular and interesting endgame of their prior title. You can imagine the catastrophe that would have been.

[Amaron]

You can imagine the catastrophe that would have been.

Considering how badly that client performed in big RvR fights I think catastrophe is the right word for it.