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There also are a LOT of planets, I don't know how much those things take to make, but theres got to be a metric load of art, writing, texturing, whatever.
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Reg
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Hey! It worked for FFXIV didn't it?
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Simond
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For anywhere upwards of 100mil what we are being shown is disappointing. It'll probably be a fun game still but I would have expected more. Such as? |
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Rasix
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Handjobs.
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Surlyboi
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eat a bag of dicks
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You get those with the Collector's Edition.
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Tuned in, immediately get to watch cringey Ubisoft talking head offering her deepest sympathies to the families impacted by the Orlando shooting while flanked by a man in a giraffe suit and some sort of "horrifically garish neon costumes through the ages" exhibit or something. We need to stop this fucking planet right now and sort some shit out. -Kail
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Handjobs.
Aren't these part of the "lrn2rp and DIY" component... |
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Goumindong
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Mocked it for being too much. I think the number we settled on, given better verification, was $200m for development, and another sizable chunk for marketing.
200m for development is ~300 people all of whom work for a full 7 years at an average salary of 100k each. You would have to be amazingly inefficient to have not finished by now if that number was true. Note: Bioware has about 800 people but is also doing dragon age 3 and mass effect 3 right now(all according to wikipedia). |
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Fordel
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I very much doubt everyone is getting 100k a year too.
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and the gate is like I TOO AM CAPABLE OF SPEECH
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Goumindong
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I very much doubt everyone is getting 100k a year too.
Or that the entire team has been working for a full seven years on the project or that the project was started 3 years before it was announced.... [any more than a few people putting together design documents]. The prospect that this has cost 200m is ludicrous. At an average of 50k, 400 people for three years and 200 for two years you get a number of 80m in development. And even that seems like a lot of people working full time. edit: I take that back, 100k is not too unreasonable after all benefits are factored in. |
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Amaron
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I very much doubt everyone is getting 100k a year too.
That's the number for salary + benefits + etc I'm sure. |
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eldaec
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Please don't feed the Goumindong. Yes his post is stupid for a number of obvious reasons, but his 8th followup will miss the point just as badly.
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I'm so glad we're getting away from discussing the actual gameplay. Half of us watched the videos on that leak site but can't talk about them here. The other half are under NDA. So why not wildly speculate on how much shareholder value EA invested in SWTOR? |
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Malakili
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I'm so glad we're getting away from discussing the actual gameplay. Half of us watched the videos on that leak site but can't talk about them here. The other half are under NDA. So why not wildly speculate on how much shareholder value EA invested in SWTOR? This seems like a fairly accurate description of the situation. |
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Lantyssa
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200m for development is ~300 people all of whom work for a full 7 years at an average salary of 100k each.
That was the rumor number. |
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LC
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Without forcing me to read the last 20 pages, do most people still actually believe SWToR will be good?
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« Last Edit: July 15, 2011, 02:35:37 PM by LC »
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Sky
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Without forcing me to read the last 20 pages, do most people still actually believe SWG will be good?
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Rasix
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Without forcing me to read the last 20 pages, do most people still actually believe SWG will be good?
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LC
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Not-So-Ninja Edit.
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Fordel
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Without forcing me to read the last 20 pages, do most people still actually believe SWToR will be good?
I don't think anyone thinks it will be good, they just HOPE it will be. I've said it a few times, if SWTOR is actually WoW in Space, then it will be great. I'm not convinced it will be WoW in space though, I'm still guessing it will be WAR in space instead. Expectations are extremely low, but I hope I am pleasantly surprised. |
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Ingmar
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I think it will be good. I don't know if it will be great.
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The Transcendent One: AH... THE ROGUE CONSTRUCT.
Nordom: Sense of closure: imminent.
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Rasix
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He's not serious, guys.
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Ingmar
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Why would I let that stop me from a chance to argue with Fordel? |
The Transcendent One: AH... THE ROGUE CONSTRUCT.
Nordom: Sense of closure: imminent.
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Fordel
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You have a terrible definition of good though, you liked auto-assault.
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Amaron
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It's going to be good enough that WoW and SWTOR will be forced to compete with each other for some decent chunk of the market. It's going to be good enough that my initial 50 bucks will be worth it.
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Merusk
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I'm so glad we're getting away from discussing the actual gameplay. Half of us watched the videos on that leak site but can't talk about them here. The other half are under NDA. So why not wildly speculate on how much shareholder value EA invested in SWTOR? What about the half that don't know what fucking leak site.  I've really let this one slide because obsessing just gets me in trouble. |
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Margalis
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I'm so glad we're getting away from discussing the actual gameplay.
For better or for worse everyone seems to agree that the moment-to-moment gameplay is pretty much just WoW. What exactly is there to discuss? |
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Sky
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Margalis
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I'm not even trying to be dismissive. It's just that there isn't much to discuss gameplay-wise that I'm aware of.
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vampirehipi23: I would enjoy a book written by a monkey and turned into a movie rather than this.
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WindupAtheist
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I don't even especially want to play this, I just want to see it come out and see what it does against WoW. Either it flops harder than anything has ever flopped, or Blizzard gets some comeuppance. It's win/win.
I mean, I know I get painted as That Star Wars Guy because I actually liked those prequels everyone the internet hated, but I've only ever bought like four Star Wars games and didn't like two of them. (And I mean ever, in history. One of them was Tie Fighter, that's how far back I'm talking.) Plus I still have this two-month WoW card I got for Christmas just sitting here gathering dust while I fuck around with Baldur's Gate for the billionth time. I can't even be bothered to play this sort of game for free.
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Rasix
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I mean, I know I get painted as That Star Wars Guy because I actually liked those prequels everyone the internet hated,
We don't think that (at least I don't). You're a professional internet forum troll. Your weapons of choice are George Lucas and lore. At least you're not a complete dickhead like douchematic. So, you got that going for you. I've liked four Star Wars games offhand and 3 of them I don't even consider that good. KOTOR is good. KOTOR2 is typical LOL-Obsidian fare. Rebellion and SWG were amusing for what they were, but essentially crappy where it counts. The rest? Didn't do much for me. This coming from a guy that named his work machines after Star Wars planets and has the imperial march as his ringtone. Yah, I'm a catch. I'm not sure how I wouldn't like this game, unless it's just REALLY bad. I like(d) WoW . I still like DIKU since playing Rift currently. I adore Bioware. Even their less than stellar efforts manage to entertain me greatly. If they had something nitpicky for me like LOTRO's combat pace; I'd have issues, but likely still get through it. Will it succeed? I really can't find it within myself to care. I'd like it not to shut down while I'm playing, and I don't think that'll be a possibility (unless it's REALLY, REALLY bad). |
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WindupAtheist
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We don't think that (at least I don't). You're a professional internet forum troll. Your weapons of choice are George Lucas and lore. At least you're not a complete dickhead like douchematic. So, you got that going for you. Actually, my WoW lore ranting was almost all legit and straightfaced. Yes I know that makes it worse than just trolling.  |
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Lakov_Sanite
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WUA - worse than trolling
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eldaec
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I'm so glad we're getting away from discussing the actual gameplay. Half of us watched the videos on that leak site but can't talk about them here. The other half are under NDA. So why not wildly speculate on how much shareholder value EA invested in SWTOR? There is nothing on those videos you can't get from the official ones. The game has well presented combat but mechanics are ultimately as shallow as WOW. It has bioware story content of indeterminate quantity but seemingly similar style/quality to Mass Effect. You can pretty much decide if you are likely to enjoy the game on that basis. Personally I think it stands a good chance of being fun until the content runs out, so long as you don't have a philosophical problem with paying subs for a bioware rpg. |
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UnSub
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Regarding SWOR's budget - it would include other things, like those licensing royalties, toolset development / licenses (BioWare had tapped Perpetual Studios toolset as their MMO engine before moving at least in part to the Hero Engine) and possibly a ton of prototyping. If the impression was given that SWOR was so important that money was no object, it would be very possible for budgets to be blown wide open on a title that is (allegedly) filled with enough content for 8 games. |
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LC
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I'm not sure how I wouldn't like this game, unless it's just REALLY bad. I like(d) WoW . I still like DIKU since playing Rift currently. I adore Bioware. Even their less than stellar efforts manage to entertain me greatly. If they had something nitpicky for me like LOTRO's combat pace; I'd have issues, but likely still get through it.
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