SWTOR

[Malakili]

I avoid these problems by having an understanding SO who is perfectly happy to veg out with her favorite TV show while I game, and by having no close by relatives or social life 

[tmp]

Disappointing diary.  He described every other crafting system in existence.  "You take gathered, vendor, and rare resources and make an item!"  I'm awed.

Well, having to literally kiss up to your NPC companions for crafting speed bonus is pretty unique.

[Koyasha]

What would be nice would be if they make it so our companions can hear what we're saying to each other, so that we can't go around doing and saying things specifically to please each companion, without other companions being aware as well.  That is to say, make it so the companions will see through any transparent ploy to tell them exactly what they want to hear, without having our actions match our words.

[Cyrrex]

I'm operating under the assumption that we'll have a large, friendly and highly active Bat Country guild to help maximize our fun.

[Reg]

Hah, yeah. For about a week.

[Surlyboi]

Oh ye of little faith.

Two weeks.

[eldaec]

Though for two years after that there will be a very active group of ex-players on hand to explain how the game sucks monkey balls. So that'll be nice.

[Kageru]

I consider that an advantage. If you join an F13 guild you can comfortably stop playing in a month with a statement like "Well it's a standard diku mechanic with poor stickyness due to mechanic X" and they'll nod, understand and have expected it.

Some of the guilds you join are actually waaay too determined to sacrifice their life to it and intolerant of any criticism. Just see some of the high level people on the FFXIV forums still defending the game.

[Reg]

On the other hand the bitter and jaded old MMO vet routine we get into so much here gets a little old after a while too.  Sometimes it's more fun to be around cute and adorable little puppy people who haven't been completely burned out on the the whole genre yet.

[Nebu]

On the other hand the bitter and jaded old MMO vet routine we get into so much here gets a little old after a while too.  Sometimes it's more fun to be around cute and adorable little puppy people who haven't been completely burned out on the the whole genre yet.

I find that blind adoration wears on me even faster than jaded curmudgeons do. 

[Lantyssa]

By cute you mean insufferably deluded or ignorant, right?

(Hah!  Nebu posted the nice version while I was typing.)

[tmp]

Sometimes it's more fun to be around cute and adorable little puppy people who haven't been completely burned out on the the whole genre yet.

[Sky]

TOR BC is going to be different. Fucking be there. I will be penning the new raid attendance policy and our charter.

 

[Sheepherder]

I'm not entirely clear on what that means, so by all means, don't tell me.

[DraconianOne]

I'm not entirely clear on what that means, so by all means, don't tell me.

I think it means, "I'm about to renact the octopus eating scene from Oldboy and will post the resulting video here as proof".

On the other hand, hieroglyphics were never my strong point.

[Reg]

I find that blind adoration wears on me even faster than jaded curmudgeons do. 

Of course the best are the players who cycle unpredictably between the two extremes.  Lotro seems to bring that out in some people 

[Nebu]

Of course the best are the players who cycle unpredictably between the two extremes.  Lotro seems to bring that out in some people  

There's a huge difference between enjoying a game and blind adoration of a game.  Don't you think?  

[Reg]

Well of course. And there's a huge difference between blind adoration of a game and wanting to give it a chance before predicting and taking pleasure in its failure.

[Nebu]

Well of course. And there's a huge difference between blind adoration of a game and wanting to give it a chance before predicting and taking pleasure in its failure.

Oh, I'm going to buy this game and play it for a month.  If I last longer than that, I'll be pleasantly surprised.  I seriously doubt that any new MMO can hold me longer than a month anymore. 

[Cyrrex]

Well of course. And there's a huge difference between blind adoration of a game and wanting to give it a chance before predicting and taking pleasure in its failure.

Oh, I'm going to buy this game and play it for a month.  If I last longer than that, I'll be pleasantly surprised.  I seriously doubt that any new MMO can hold me longer than a month anymore. 

This.  If I can get a month worth of KOTOR-like RPG gaming out of this, I'll be happy to pay the cover price.  Anything else is bonus.

[Reg]

I'm hoping for more than a month but I doubt I'll get more than three or four.  That's about as long as WoW can hold me after an expansion.  I'm just not much into the standard raiding end game.

But who knows? Maybe they'll pull an FFXIV and self destruct during their open beta and I'll end up not playing at all. Square Enix managed to totally surprise me with their incompetence and it's not like EA has the best of reputations.

[Sky]

I could get into raiding, if I just kill my fiancee and quit my job.

[Nebu]

I could get into raiding, if I just kill my fiancee and quit my job.

You don't need to kill her.  Just start digging a pit in your basement. 

[Malakili]

I could get into raiding, if I just kill my fiancee and quit my job.

You don't need to kill her.  Just start digging a pit in your basement. 

Is the what were calling getting our SOs into MMOGs now?

[Sky]

Ah, put her in the pit with a computer and have her grind raids for me. Genius!

[Draegan]

Poopsocking for raids is oldhat.  Most raiders play a few hours a night 2-3 days a week.

[Sky]

Go ahead and point me to the mature, competent, non-uptight guild that raids 2-3 nights a week without an attendance requirement, mostly wed/thurs, sometimes tues; from 11am until 1am sharp. Because yeah. Otherwise I'm all about rl, thanks. I might be on other times, but I cannot predict or commit to it. You've really got to be into gaming to be in a raid guild, if you don't think so, you're really into gaming :p

[Draegan]

I don't know, I haven't played WOW in a year, but they are out there.  Many of the hardcore guilds raid every night, but many of those nights are alt-raids for fun etc.

When was the last time you tried to get involved with it?  I'm thinking you got a bad stereotype working for you.

[Ingmar]

Go ahead and point me to the mature, competent, non-uptight guild that raids 2-3 nights a week without an attendance requirement, mostly wed/thurs, sometimes tues; from 11am until 1am sharp. Because yeah. Otherwise I'm all about rl, thanks. I might be on other times, but I cannot predict or commit to it. You've really got to be into gaming to be in a raid guild, if you don't think so, you're really into gaming :p

Raiding isn't really like that anymore, at least in WoW. My impression is that LotRO is more or less similar. Unless you're doing the bleeding edge hard mode stuff maybe. The couple guys that we have in our guild that try to run every raid every week complain that they finish in a couple days and have nothing to do.  

EDIT: The issue is always just going to be finding the group that exactly matches your needs. I guarantee they exist, there are in fact probably hundreds of guilds that more or less match what you're saying, down to the schedule, everything. The catch is that those groups generally aren't also advertising 'hey we want players' so finding that group that is the Perfect Jesus Raid Fun Group for your exact needs is going to be daunting.

[Azuredream]

Echoing what other people are saying, the WoW raiding scene is mostly made up of what you described, although for some of them you might have to cut out the competent part.

[Kageru]

Go ahead and point me to the mature, competent, non-uptight guild that raids 2-3 nights a week without an attendance requirement, mostly wed/thurs, sometimes tues; from 11am until 1am sharp. Because yeah. Otherwise I'm all about rl, thanks. I might be on other times, but I cannot predict or commit to it. You've really got to be into gaming to be in a raid guild, if you don't think so, you're really into gaming :p

The WoW community is huge, and in that community you'll find a wide variety of approaches to raiding. However there is no game that supports casual raiding and advanced raiding in the same game (10/25 man, optional hard-modes, stupidly difficult achievement challenges, good balance on challenge, "bonus" effects late in content life-cycle, good flexibility in raid composition, not to mention actually having content worth raiding) better than WoW. And my guild (Australian timezone though) has no problem supporting very casual raiders.

I wait in rapt anticipation to see how SWTOR aims to structure theirs and keep people busy at the endgame.

[SnakeCharmer]

I might be smoking crack, but didn't they say that their 'raids' were geared towards 4 man (plus companions) groups?

[DraconianOne]

Go ahead and point me to the mature, competent, non-uptight guild that raids 2-3 nights a week without an attendance requirement, mostly wed/thurs, sometimes tues; from 11am until 1am sharp. Because yeah. Otherwise I'm all about rl, thanks. I might be on other times, but I cannot predict or commit to it. You've really got to be into gaming to be in a raid guild, if you don't think so, you're really into gaming :p

Pretty much describes the guild I just joined. They raid twice a week, no attendance requirements, second raid usually a (more) casual/alt affair on tues and thurs. They don't quite fit my timings as they're mostly all on CET so start at 9pm their time and I rarely get on before 9pm my time. But within a week of joining, I'd run the first wing of ICC with them and I never raid.

[Surlyboi]

Ah, put her in the pit with a computer and have her grind raids for me. Genius!

It puts the epic on its' toon or else it gets the hose real soon.

[Draegan]

Ah, put her in the pit with a computer and have her grind raids for me. Genius!

It puts the epic on its' toon or else it gets the hose real soon.

Well done sir.