SWTOR

[eldaec]

And as I said, my view is from outside beta so only based on how these things are being publicly presented.

[Numtini]

I've also found that in PUGs, the tank is always expected to lead.

[eldaec]

In most cases tanks have to pull, from that comes leading.

I don't mind doing it occaisionally, but it gets tiring. And I am lazy.

[Amaron]

I was healing for about a half hour as a consular, which has no healing bullets at all ( )

Hopefully it's not too late for them to patch in healing fuel tanks for the jedi to toss around...

I played consular up to like 17 and I never saw a fuel tank once.   I guess they fixed that.   The only jarring thing I saw pulled up was rocks when I was on a space ship.

[Dewdrop]

I've also found that in PUGs, the tank is always expected to lead.

I tanked (in the capacity of 'main' tank) in WoW from Vanilla through TBC before burning completely the fuck out and wanting to gouge my eyes from my skull (Sunwell killed my soul a little). There is a tacit expectation that the tank will lead the group. I can't think of a single time that I wasnt expected to be the leader, even if I had never been to a certain zone, from pug dungeons through guild raids. Not only that but heaven forbid I show up to a new content raid without having studied boss mechanics and trash pitfalls. It's exhausting, if you let it get to you. Makes you really appreciate those time you play in a small group of friends who all know each other well and communicate well, those were the times when I got to actually look around and see what the zone looked like.

On the plus side I got to reallyfine tune my sardonic side when I agreed to do a pug run.

[tmp]

I played consular up to like 17 and I never saw a fuel tank once.   I guess they fixed that.

Well that's a frickin' shame, i was so looking forward to them

[Simond]

They've said that all the tanks and healers are on even ground.

Every dev for every MMO ever has said that. It doesn't mean it's true.

[Fordel]

They've said that all the tanks and healers are on even ground.

Every dev for every MMO ever has said that. It doesn't mean it's true.

Most dev's don't actually say that come to think of it. It's usually forced upon them after the fact as the playerbase bitches at them because only Warriors can actually tank and why the fuck does my Paladin have a protection tree if it's not supposed to tank and rabble rabble 

[Phunked]

They've said that all the tanks and healers are on even ground.

Every dev for every MMO ever has said that. It doesn't mean it's true.

Most dev's don't actually say that come to think of it. It's usually forced upon them after the fact as the playerbase bitches at them because only Warriors can actually tank and why the fuck does my Paladin have a protection tree if it's not supposed to tank and rabble rabble 

I think you're about five years too late on that point.

[Fordel]

Maybe the fucking Rift devs said that too on release, I dunno.

[Lucas]

"Conspiracy" time :P : the official website has been down for an hour or so now. Mantenaince has been already done, no twitter posts about it, so: 1. Hacked ; 2. New (launch?) website incoming ; 3. unexpected downtime.

Yeah, back to Skyrim now :P

[Fordel]

I'm gonna go with the millions of people constantly checking for the new test weekend or whatever. There is also a new build today, I'm sure that isn't helping.

[luckton]

There is also a new build today, I'm sure that isn't helping.

Ding!

[Lucas]

There is also a new build today, I'm sure that isn't helping.

Ding!

Yep, read the patch notes on another seekret website. They look juicy :D (everything back to normal, now)

[Montague]

That's no patch, that's a space station.

[Sjofn]

On the tank thing, yeah, you're expected to lead. I assume it's basically because you're in front. Logic!

[Paelos]

On the tank thing, yeah, you're expected to lead. I assume it's basically because you're in front. Logic!

People don't want to lead. They want to pew-pew.

[Tyrnan]

I've always wanted to give tanking a go in an MMO but the expectation that you will lead the group and know the ins and out of every instance and boss fight has always put me off. I'm tempted to try a tank at launch since I'd have a good excuse for not knowing. Then again, I imagine a frighteningly high percentage of people will still expect the tank to know it all on the 15th

[Lantyssa]

On the tank thing, yeah, you're expected to lead. I assume it's basically because you're in front. Logic!

How does that work for ranged tanks that fight from the back?

[Fordel]

Spoilers:

[Ratman_tf]

I'm gonna go with the millions of people constantly checking for the new test weekend or whatever. And then the website was suddenly silenced.

[luckton]

Spoilers:

Fixed

[Fordel]

That really is the jist of it, you'll be shooting stuff from point plank range most of the time as a 'ranged' tank. It was the only way they could balance the tanks without having 1/3rd of them being utterly immune to melee mobs.

[tmp]

Shooting from point blank sounds fine. Especially if it involves some minigun sort of a thing.

(not to mention dual-wielding miniguns but i expect that'd make all the Sith feel too threatened in their masculinity and whatnot)

[Fordel]

Mini-gun using Troopers are Commando's, which are the Healer/DPS advanced class.

Vanguards use normal blaster rifles. They are the tank tree. It really DOES look like my favorite GIF there pretty much, including using the butt of the rifle as a blunt object.

[Lantyssa]

You took me entirely too seriously when I asked that.

[01101010]

Nothing is off limits on the quest for 400.

[Fordel]

You don't believe in page 400.

-fake edit- beaten!

[Sjofn]

I believe, baby. I always believe.

[Viin]

I heard a rumor that they were going to force everyone to pvp as the end-game.

[UnSub]

I heard a rumor that they were going to force everyone to pvp Huttball as the end-game.

... and healing bullets are hilarious.

[Fordel]

There is a big RvR planet at 50.

[Sjofn]

I will shoot the fuck out of people with my healing bullets. Which is honestly even more reason I should make my consular shadow but ... I was kinda digging the sage.

[Nevermore]

There is a big RvR planet at 50.

Is it more like DAoC frontier RvR planet?  Or just another battleground type thing?

[Montague]

Looks like everyone who preordered from EA Origin is getting two beta codes to use or give to friends by tomorrow. Stephen Reid also tweeted an "interesting" announcement tomorrow, so I'm guessing NDA drop incoming.