F13 in EvE: Band of Brothers headshotted! Come help us in Delve!

[nizar]

Got pointed over to #GFHelp if anyone else is lurking and in a similar situation.

[Slayerik]

Spy.

[Gets]

[amiable]

Endie, is this offer still open?  I have a 20 million sp ceptor pilot I could bring back.  Of course all my crap is still in 9YU I believe, hopefully the system is friendly or my dozen ceptors are most likely useless.

Also I haven't played in a year and most likely suck, but the thought of hearing your dulcet tones curse at me with a Scottish accent for some reason seems alluring.

[Slayerik]

[Endie]

Endie, is this offer still open?  I have a 20 million sp ceptor pilot I could bring back.  Of course all my crap is still in 9YU I believe, hopefully the system is friendly or my dozen ceptors are most likely useless.

Also I haven't played in a year and most likely suck, but the thought of hearing your dulcet tones curse at me with a Scottish accent for some reason seems alluring.

Do you still have access to the subforums where we can talk about this with Samson?  This will need discussion, but I suspect that there may be a way.

[Yoru]

Joke is not funny any more. Let it die.

[Le0]

You guys are for sure pationate about EVE. I read much of the thread and it sure seems interesting.

I never tried this particular MMO and I might give it a try, but I'm pretty sure I'll end up alone and bored because I'm no one on this board and I'm from a different timezone (Europe). Do I have any chance to find a suitable corp, or are most of them closed because of paranoia?

[Reg]

There are lots of open corps recruiting all the time. You're right, you won't get into one of the big exclusive 0.0 corps right off the bat but you don't need to be in one of those right off the bat either.

If you decide to try it out join the F13 channel and we'll at least answer your newbie questions and keep you company and help you out with a little starting up cash.

[Fordel]

Being in the Euro TimeZone won't be an issue for EVE. It's truly global in it's player base. There are probably more Europeans then folks from the America's playing.

[Comstar]

[Prospero]

K, I want to play, but your recruitment ad there has words I've never seen before in the english language. Please to be noobifying. Cynoed?

[Phildo]

Cynoed?

Shot great distances across space in an instant to rain fire upon an unsuspecting enemy fleet.  Or just to move your shit around.

[MahrinSkel]

K, I want to play, but your recruitment ad there has words I've never seen before in the english language. Please to be noobifying. Cynoed?

Capital ships cannot use standard stargates, they have to have another ship create a "Cynosaural Field" in the destination system for them to jump to.  "Failure Cascading" refers to what Clausewitz would have called "Friction", the way that small defeats and obstacles mount up until doing the simplest thing can become impossibly difficult.  "Titan" is the largest class of ship in the game, capable of destroying entire fleets with one blast under the right conditions, and costing an amount equivalent to the entire economic output of an alliance of 1000 for several weeks.  "Pointed" means that a warp scrambling device has rendered it incapable of escaping.  "Hictor" refers to the cruiser-grade version of a ship that exists to create large bubbles of space in which warp or cyno travel in impossible (shortened form for "Heavy Interdictor").

Not quite as good as the original version of that poster, because a Hictor requires a long time to train into.

--Dave

[Phildo]

It's the same guy from the first poster proving that he's still, and always will be, an invaluable contributor to the swarm.

[schild]

I sure hope they mean cascade failure or cascading failure, because "failure cascading" isn't a real phrase. Unless it's just an evebortion of a phrase (which, according to google, it is), in which case, carry one.

[Arthur_Parker]

Goonswarm is all about evebortions.  Last night was epic and I don't even play any more.

[MahrinSkel]

I sure hope they mean cascade failure or cascading failure, because "failure cascading" isn't a real phrase. Unless it's just an evebortion of a phrase (which, according to google, it is), in which case, carry one.

In it's original Eve usage, it referred to the sudden collapse of ASCN as a "cascade failure", which became the model for future sudden defeats that were a long time in the making.  Goonswarm doesn't consider itself bound by such petty concerns as the proper use of terms.

--Dave

[Draegan]

So can I play EVE on my Android yet?

[eldaec]

Boom, headshot.

[Nefar]

Hello,

An old friend of mine, Morphiend, told me to give this thread a look over since I have been trying out Eve again.  Great recruitment post but seems I arrived to late as hiring is now closed.   I'm mostly interested in learning the 50+ mill an hour mining and market manipulation spoken about in the recruitment post ;)  I was curious if anyone could give advice on another corp that would have similar capability. 

[palmer_eldritch]

K, I want to play, but your recruitment ad there has words I've never seen before in the english language. Please to be noobifying. Cynoed?

Never mind the game mechanics.

What's happening right now in this game is potentially the most historic moment in the long-running space opera which is Eve.

The most powerful and feared alliance the game has seen, formerly known as Band of Brothers and now re-named KenZoku, is on course for a crushing defeat at the hands of an alliance of alliances led by the self-styled simpering retards of Eve, Goonswarm.

Alternatively, they might, just possibly, recover from a devastating blow, defy the odds and emerge as the bloody, victorious and unchallenged masters of the universe.

It's going to play out over the next few months and the outcome could be decided by you.*

* kinda

[Phildo]

Hello,

An old friend of mine, Morphiend, told me to give this thread a look over since I have been trying out Eve again.  Great recruitment post but seems I arrived to late as hiring is now closed.   I'm mostly interested in learning the 50+ mill an hour mining and market manipulation spoken about in the recruitment post ;)  I was curious if anyone could give advice on another corp that would have similar capability. 

The market manipulation stuff is available to you even now.  If you join the F13 channel in-game there are several wealthy marketeers that can help you out, and you're actually better off being in an empire corp to do this.  However, for the high-end mining you do need access to 0.0 and if you want to do that with us it will take a little while before we can open up recruiting again.

Have Morfiend send me a PM to verify that you're buddies and keep hanging out in the F13 channel, we'll help you out some more in there.

[Endie]

I sure hope they mean cascade failure or cascading failure, because "failure cascading" isn't a real phrase. Unless it's just an evebortion of a phrase (which, according to google, it is), in which case, carry one.

I sure hope you mean "carry on" because "carry one" means something to do with arithmetic or the movement of items and makes no sense there.  Unless it's a Schildbortion of a phrase...

"Failure cascade," for those who actually want to know rather than just perversely choose to troll their own forums, are network effects and the term seems to have been invented by The Mittani: "A failure cascade is a 'tipping point.' Once the point has been reached, failures by an organization cause stresses that lead to more failure, at an ever-increasing pace."  It's a good phrase, very descriptive and instincively understood, and a better gaming phrase to be associated with than, say, "lol twitch".  To know more, you can read this article by Joel Gonzales at the Escapist, which is cited in The Guardian.  Schild could have done so too, if he wasn't quite so incapable of using the same google he so proudly flaunts above.

The order of events in failure cascades is fairly well understood, though - like many social dynamics - sufficient leadership and a degree of luck can occasionally reverse the process.

PS anyone who joins us is guaranteed months of Schold shitposting in our private subforums.  This is - and I am quite serious here - a source of great amusement but a touch of weariness to the denizens, very much along the lines of having some fundie spend great swathes of their time posting on the forums of a homosexual community site about just how much they don't understand what the attraction is, with suspicious amounts of detail.

[UnSub]

The Mittani may have done many things, but inventing the term failure cascade isn't one of them. Applying it to a social situation in EVE is a slightly new context for it though.

[Soulflame]

Ah, I see someone already commented on the "carry one".  Nevermind then!

[Phildo]

The Mittani may have done many things, but inventing the term failure cascade isn't one of them. Applying it to a social situation in EVE is a slightly new context for it though.

What we have here is an apparently superficial argument over whether Failure Cascade is the same thing as Cascading Failure.  It's silly to be having it, although I will point out that the wikipedia entry you linked does not once use the term "Failure Cascade."

[Zira]

[Endie]

The Mittani may have done many things, but inventing the term failure cascade isn't one of them. Applying it to a social situation in EVE is a slightly new context for it though.

Perhaps you would like to move on and prove that "Homecoming" is not an American tradition because someone else used "coming home" beforehand?  Is this limited to swapping words around or can I use anagrams to prove that all most words in English were actually invented by the Pawnee tribe?

[UnSub]

The Mittani may have done many things, but inventing the term failure cascade isn't one of them. Applying it to a social situation in EVE is a slightly new context for it though.

Perhaps you would like to move on and prove that "Homecoming" is not an American tradition because someone else used "coming home" beforehand?  Is this limited to swapping words around or can I use anagrams to prove that all most words in English were actually invented by the Pawnee tribe?

Here's failure cascade in a paper from 2004. Someone else flipped cascading failure before the Mittani.

Here's something from 2003.

EDIT: unnecessary.

[Endie]

The Mittani may have done many things, but inventing the term failure cascade isn't one of them. Applying it to a social situation in EVE is a slightly new context for it though.

Perhaps you would like to move on and prove that "Homecoming" is not an American tradition because someone else used "coming home" beforehand?  Is this limited to swapping words around or can I use anagrams to prove that all most words in English were actually invented by the Pawnee tribe?

Here's failure cascade in a paper from 2004. Someone else flipped cascading failure before the Mittani.

Here's something from 2003.

If you wish to suck Mittani's dick for EVE points, feel free, but do it somewhere he'll see you.

Well done, you found two words in the same order in a different context with a different meaning and where the word "cascade" is attached as a qualifier to the word "paths" not the word "failure".  Etymology is not really your thing, is it?  And while I am impressed by your uncritical use of "http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22failure+cascade%22&meta=", gratified by your need to resort to poor-quality dick-sucking burns in order to maintain your (let's be generous and call it an) "argument", and impressed by the deep admiration for Schild that forces you to white knight so gallantly for him (or, to translate down to your level "sucking his dick"), you look dumb doing it. hth

edit: your second example, about cascading power failure, is even worse.

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Now, in an attempt to get past the trollery and get back on topic, at this very moment some of us in F13 are currently racing around from system to system with a massive, fuck-off fleet, others are camping the enemy into a single station, while our resident producer just docked a war-affecting amount of logistical and production capability right in the belly of the beast.  A great thing about what we're doing in Eve right now is that you can log in and do stuff somewhere at any point of the clock.  We've even had two members FCing large combined-alliance fleets, including capitals, in combat.

[UnSub]

The fact I edited the post before you posted your oh-so-witty response meant I was over the pissing contest but congrats on posting it anyway. Don't quite know where I came in blowing Schild in this little exchange, but whatever. My own fault for being tempted into a semantic definition troll, especially involving EVE.

[Amarr HM]

Failure cascade works on so many levels.

[Draegan]

I just resubbed due to boredom.  Anyone feel like helping me in game with a little direction?  I have no idea what to do but I wanna try to have the fun you guys are talking about, especially since I don't have a lot of free time these days, and this seems like the game to play casually.

I have a 2.5m SP character though I'm not sure if that's good or not.

[palmer_eldritch]

We laugh in the face of skillpoints.

First off, join the F13 channel in-game. Second, wait for someone who knows me than more to tell you what to do third. Or they'll probably reply here. But I know we like newbies.