Star Trek

[Rishathra]

Oh, my bad.  Yeah, actually, he got worse when he started channelling Hawk.   

Seriously, though, I'm only bashing his acting as Sisko.  Hawk was a bad motherfucker.

[DraconianOne]

Though I did enjoy Nemesis as well. Personal taste.

 

Surely that should have been in green.

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

Forutnately, they've gone on to better things. Colm Meaney has always been a solid actor and Alexander Siddig has shown his acting versatility playing a middle eastern prince in Syriana, a suspected Middle Eastern terrorist in Spooks, an actual Middle Eastern terrorist in 24 and a real-life Middle Eastern terrorist in the docudrama "The Hamburg Cell" about 9/11.

[Triforcer]

Though I did enjoy Nemesis as well. Personal taste.

 

Surely that should have been in green.

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

Forutnately, they've gone on to better things. Colm Meaney has always been a solid actor and Alexander Siddig has shown his acting versatility playing a middle eastern prince in Syriana, a suspected Middle Eastern terrorist in Spooks, an actual Middle Eastern terrorist in 24 and a real-life Middle Eastern terrorist in the docudrama "The Hamburg Cell" about 9/11.

Isn't it a bit unfair to label his character that way in Syriana?  I mean, since his character didn't want to give U.S. oil companies everything they wanted, doesn't that make him kind of a terrorist? 

[DraconianOne]

I said he played a Middle Eastern prince. How is that an unfair or inaccurate description?

[Triforcer]

NM, I worded my joke badly and it should all be in green anyway. 

[DraconianOne]

/banghead

You didn't word your joke badly - I just didn't read it right. My excuse is that I have 'flu and am running a temperature you could fry eggs on. Honest.

I'll get my coat.

[Ironwood]

Sorry, I didn't mean to shit up the thread.

That said, if I reply to any of the posts thereafter, I probably will end up doing so.  I didn't like First Contact.  It was 'Aliens' with a Trek theme on the ship and the stuff on the planet fucked so badly with the continuity and was so cheesy, I just switched off.  Also Nemesis.  Well, all I say is I thought that your comment should be in green also.  A Romulan Picard Clone.  With a Big Ship.  Christ, the Clone Wars cartoon has a more convincing Baddy with a masterplan than that.

I pretty much covered Voyager being shite and, yes, though I didn't say it the Chief reason was Frigging Katherine Hepburn in charge of a Starship was waaaayyyyy off.  Also, timeships.  Also, Prime Directive shattered so hard you could hear it in the Alpha Quadrant.  Also, Seven of Nine and her magically rythmic pussy.  Frankly, they should have just renamed the whole fucking thing 'The Doctor' and had Robert Picardo soloing every fucking episode.  He was great.

*looks at long ass post*

Dammit, I did it again.  Sorry.

[Merusk]

Though I did enjoy Nemesis as well. Personal taste.

 

Surely that should have been in green.

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

Forutnately, they've gone on to better things. Colm Meaney has always been a solid actor and Alexander Siddig has shown his acting versatility playing a middle eastern prince in Syriana, a suspected Middle Eastern terrorist in Spooks, an actual Middle Eastern terrorist in 24 and a real-life Middle Eastern terrorist in the docudrama "The Hamburg Cell" about 9/11.

You can't really blame that all on Siddig. Post 9-11 is a shitty time to be a Middle-East-descended actor in Hollywood.  You can probably count on one hand the number of positive characters with that background in the last 7 years.

[Reg]

OK, Ironwood. You hated DS9. You hated Voyager. You hated Enterprise. That's every single Star Trek series since Generations. You did like Generations I hope? You hated all of the movies except for Wrath of Khan.

In fact, as far as I can tell you absolutely despise the great majority of the Star Trek IP.

So when are you going to stop watching? I mean, someone who hates a show and yet keeps religiously watching it might as well be a dedicated fan...

[Ironwood]

I loved TOS and TNG.

Also, the two films.


Also, you're well jumping to conclusions.  Really, really badly.  'Religiously' ?  Where the fuck did you get that from ?

[Reg]

"Religiously" because you write these posts in excruciating detail explaining everything that you hated. I would expect someone that actually despised every single thing to come out of the Star Trek franchise since TNG would have stopped watching long ago or at least not have been paying enough attention to recall a specific hateful episode in painful detail a decade after seeing it.

Do you take notes or something? Are you some kind of masochist? Or is it just the usual Ironwood "I hate everything. It's all shite and you're a cunt." routine? Not that it's become predictable or anything.

[Johny Cee]

Oh, my bad.  Yeah, actually, he got worse when he started channelling Hawk.   

Seriously, though, I'm only bashing his acting as Sisko.  Hawk was a bad motherfucker.

Shut your mouth!

[Ironwood]

"Religiously" because you write these posts in excruciating detail explaining everything that you hated. I would expect someone that actually despised every single thing to come out of the Star Trek franchise since TNG would have stopped watching long ago or at least not have been paying enough attention to recall a specific hateful episode in painful detail a decade after seeing it.

Do you take notes or something? Are you some kind of masochist? Or is it just the usual Ironwood "I hate everything. It's all shite and you're a cunt." routine? Not that it's become predictable or anything.

He.  God Forbid anyone around here becomes predictable.

Your familiarity is clearly breeding contempt.  I would recommend not reading my posts.  At all.  I'll honestly thank you for it.

[Sir T]

I liked Nemesis because it had Romulans in it. No other reason really. If it didn't it would have completely sucked for me. But I have a large soft spot in my heart for the Romulans.

What interested me though (aside from everything else) was the quasi religious nature of what went on around that film. People literally were convinced that it was going to be a good Trek film, it had to be a good trek film... because it had an even number in the title. That's the reason. I saw over and over and OVER people saying totally seriously that it would be good because ever trek with an odd number was terrible and every trek with a even number was good. It was completely ludicrous and me mentioning that that was utter bollox would start multi page flame wars. It was modern superstition in action.

First Contact? I hated it. Utterly hated it. For one thing, me dragging the love of my life to it basically started the whole process of us breaking up, because I forced her take her to such a terrible film that gave her nightmares. Later I came out with the impression that the borg were controlled by the internet with every ounce of porn in total control (see the borg Nymphomaniac Queen). It was a bad bad BAD zombie film, crossed with Moby Dick and a bit of the Wizard of OZ. And the horrid revelation that the great hero of the federation was a drunk that did it for the money, oh come on. Why the hell does Holywood have to make every one of its heroes hard drinking alcoholics?

And as for why people watched trek.. well guess what for a long time there was nothing else remotely decent in Sci-Fi on TV. There was BAB 5, but the whispering campaign against that was pretty horrendous from the trek fandom. I only started watching because I saw it at a Book convention. What people liked about the DS9 really started because DS9 Started basically ripping off B5 left and right. The Shadows appear, the Dominion turn up. The White Star? Shit we need a small supership of our own. A bit of B5 gets blown off? 3 Episodes later a bit of DS9 Gets blown off... Thing is the Dominion just hung around for 2 seasons because (and I have a friend who knows someone that worked in paramount at the time) they made up the Dominion and suddenly were foxed as they had no bloody idea what to do with them. If they invaded, the Federation was dead. But everything they made up about the Dominion showed that they should be attacking the second they were aware of the Federation. So they spent a season in a half in panic mode.

And as for Quark. He was Rick Berman's Hubris. He was originally supposed to be a big organized crime character, as Berman made up the Ferangi and he always was pushing them as a real threat race. But they were always comic relief, and people said they should be dropped. But he insisted on an evil Ferangi in the show. And Quark became comic relief.

I'm just telling you all this to show how little planning there went into DS9. Yes some of the actors were good in the show. But when you look back at it it was the odd space battle followed by 12 boring episodes of "character development" where nothing much happened. It was all stalling for time. Even this huge battle where they went all out against the Dominion was basically the actors reciting "The charge of the light Brigade" By Tenneson and long scenes of Gul DuKat philosophizing on the real meaning of victory. ANYTHING to eat up screen time in this double episode. And 20 seconds of total combat footage with them bouncing around the set a lot. It was mind boggling.

And at the end the First Ones turned up to save the day. Yey.

[Venkman]

And the horrid revelation that the great hero of the federation was a drunk that did it for the money, oh come on. Why the hell does Holywood have to make every one of its heroes hard drinking alcoholics?

This isn't far fetched. There's a lot of people who would be utterly shocked to find out how our forefathers carried themselves. We see it all the time even with the false idols in Hollywood.

I enjoyed First Contact. It wasn't really Star Trek, but that's ok because even at that point what was Star Trek wasn't carrying it well. I mostly enjoyed all of the movies to a degree, even parts of Final Frontier, which otherwise was a complete travesty that became the second movie for which much apology was needed and therefore the trend that followed through Generations and that silly provincial rescue-the-native-Americans one. People would not have hated on Search for Spock if it wasn't for Final Frontier. And I have a lot of forgiveness for Motion Picture simply because it was first and trying to revive an IP that only geeks and conventions help limp through the 70s.

I'm the person who gave up on DS9 before it purportedly got good. And nowadays I would rather rewatch Firefly's one season than attempt to like a period and setting of an IP we'll probably never see in that form every again. If the upcoming movie is successful, it's an IP reset anyway. If it fails, no more movies and probably no more IP outside of the occasional game and geek conventions.

[Teleku]

I thought DS9 was easily the last good series.   

Everything that came after was complete shit, both story and acting wise.

[Morat20]

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

Didn't the two actors admit they spent a lot of time trying to push that vibe as far as humanly possible?

Haha did they? I'd love to see a link if you can remember where you heard that.

I was wrong -- it was Garak/Bashir that the actors claimed to have deliberately played it up (and it was later "put a stop to" by Paramount), and it was in the Ho Ya and Heterosexual Life Partners tropes from TV Tropes.

Also, if you're not reading TV Tropes, you're wrong. At least the Crowning Moment of Awesomes.

[Reg]

He.  God Forbid anyone around here becomes predictable.

Your familiarity is clearly breeding contempt.  I would recommend not reading my posts.  At all.  I'll honestly thank you for it.

Ha, I'm sorry. We all have our own little routines. Haemish is indignant. Angrybob is angry. Signe hungers for human flesh. Only I remain as fresh as the first spring day in May.

[Evil Elvis]

Nemesis is undefendable.  They fucking killed Data.  May a swarm of crotch locus descend upon Rick Berman.

[Rishathra]

Nemesis is undefendable.  They fucking killed Data.  May a swarm of crotch locus descend upon Rick Berman.

Which is bad enough by itself.  Then they went and replaced him with a retarded clone.

[Reg]

Oh c'mon they didn't really kill Data. You just know his retarded little twin will end up with all of the memories.

[Rishathra]

Bah.  This is what happens when you let fucking boomers write scripts. 

[ahoythematey]

Hah.  Here's some fuel for the fire: the drowsiest, lousiest fucking review I've watched in a long time.

[DraconianOne]

Hah.  Here's some fuel for the fire: the drowsiest, lousiest fucking review I've watched in a long time.

Fuck you. I did not need that in my life.

[Reg]

I didn't get the constant "Matthew is confused" cartoon. Should I have heard of this guy or something?

[Merusk]

I saw "part 1 of 2" and that was all I needed to know.  If you can't review a movie like Nemisis in less time than your average youtube clip, you've failed horribly and don't deserve my viewing time.

[Rishathra]

Hah.  Here's some fuel for the fire: the drowsiest, lousiest fucking review I've watched in a long time.

Ho.  Lee.  Crap.  That thing was fifteen fucking minutes long.  Not because he had much to say,    he    just    took    forever    to    say    it.  He even has the gall to end it with "So that, in a nutshell..."

He made a few decent points, though, but fuck if I'll ever watch another one of those.  Who the fuck is Matthew and why should I care that he gets randomly confused throughout his reviews?

[ahoythematey]

I don't remember exactly how I found those reviews, but I do know that the ones of his I have watched make me think I'd rather endure water-boarding than go through another.  It really is one of the most terribad things on the internet I've stumbled upon.

[Ratman_tf]

What interested me though (aside from everything else) was the quasi religious nature of what went on around that film. People literally were convinced that it was going to be a good Trek film, it had to be a good trek film... because it had an even number in the title. That's the reason. I saw over and over and OVER people saying totally seriously that it would be good because ever trek with an odd number was terrible and every trek with a even number was good. It was completely ludicrous and me mentioning that that was utter bollox would start multi page flame wars. It was modern superstition in action.

I liked III so the even number rule never came home for me anyway.

[Montague]

OK, Ironwood. You hated DS9. You hated Voyager. You hated Enterprise. That's every single Star Trek series since Generations. You did like Generations I hope? You hated all of the movies except for Wrath of Khan.

In fact, as far as I can tell you absolutely despise the great majority of the Star Trek IP.

So when are you going to stop watching?

Probably when all of us who bitch about MMO's stop playing them.

[Riggswolfe]

Nemesis is undefendable.  They fucking killed Data.  May a swarm of crotch locus descend upon Rick Berman.

Which is bad enough by itself.  Then they went and replaced him with a retarded clone.

That was what pissed me off. If they wanted to kill Data everyone involved in the movie should have been forced to watch Wrath of Khan until they got it. If you're killing a character, that is absolutely the template to follow.

[Merusk]

Nemesis is on AMC as I type this. It's the last 14 mins, and it's godawful for just this smidgen, too.  I'd kind of blocked it from my mind and now I remember why.

[Velorath]

Upon reading that time travel is an important plot point in the upcoming movie, I am somewhat less enthusiastic.

[Reg]

Oh I don't know. It sounds like they're just using time travel to justify a reset that lets them start retelling the story from the beginning with a few updates and changes. If it's done well I don't object to it.

[Velorath]

Oh I don't know. It sounds like they're just using time travel to justify a reset that lets them start retelling the story from the beginning with a few updates and changes. If it's done well I don't object to it.

Making a good movie should be the only justification they need.  If they want to reboot the franchise they should have just rebooted it instead of building this movie around a time travel plot so they could explain away why it doesn't fit in with continuity.  You can't really have it both ways.