Star Trek

[Ironwood]

Hey, I was right.

Big who cares.

[stray]

Well, the Mourn episode was funny at least. I forgot about that one. Thanks for mentioning it. DS9 is the funniest series, generally.

[FatuousTwat]

DS9 was the most mature series, for sure. So if you are into mature humor (and I am) it is generally funnier.

[ahoythematey]

DS9 had one of the few episodes where I was nearly bowled over in laughter.  It was that episode where Quark, Rom, and Nog turn out to be the Roswell aliens, and while Quark and Rom are arguing about something Nog had the nurse-chick-whatever rubbing his lobes.  For those that don't know, that's basically a Ferengi-handjob.

Oohh look, more time-travel!

[Samwise]

Most people who dislike DS9 dislike it because the first couple seasons were kinda lame and they stopped watching after that.  Which is a shame because it really picked up after Sisko grew the beard.

[ahoythematey]

The first couple of seasons were quite sterile, even for Star Trek.  Then, however, the cast really grew into their characters and the ensemble clicked so well.

[Reg]

DS9 was by far the best of the Star Treks IMO. My favourite moment was a late night conversation between Quark and Garak talking about how the Federation was more insidious than the Borg with their goodness and niceness and how they were developing a taste for root beer.

[Evildrider]

DS9 is my favorite out of all the different shows.  It seemed to have more character development and less "monster" of the week type deals.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The episode that is narrated by Sisko as a confession to what he had done to ensure that safety of the federation is probably one of the best trek episodes of any series.

[Ratman_tf]

From Wikipedia:

"Latinum, or Gold-Pressed Latinum, used by Ferengi in the Star Trek universe, is a fictional liquid, stored in gold slips, strips, bars and bricks in standardized amounts. Latinum derives its value from being non-replicable by any known existing or predicted replication technology.[1] It should be noted that, as Quark points out in "Who Mourns for Morn?", the gold in Gold-Pressed Latinum is merely a convenient material in which to suspend standardized quantities of Latinum, which, as Rom points out in reply, is somewhat awkward to use as cash due to being a liquid at room temperature and standard pressure. (Compare with events in Venus Equilateral: in one episode, the crew of the titular space station invent similar replication technology, inadvertently creating a solar-system-wide inflation crisis (suddenly anyone can materialize all the cash they want out of thin air at the push of a button), which they then solve in the next episode by developing a substance which cannot be produced by replicators to be used to create non-replicable currency.)"

Which is a total ret-con of the first Ferengi epsiode in TNG where they were interested in Starfleet communicators because they were gold-plated. 

[Venkman]

How? They needed more gold to encase the Latinum.

Which itself is dumb. They're saying that Gold encases Latinum which otherwise would ooze out onto the table? In Gold? You'd think something so valueable in a future tech society would be encased in something a bit more substantial.

So then you could say gold is used as a paint to make it shiny. But then I'd wonder how a galaxy-wide set of civilizations all equate that color with value. Even the theory of the Preservers populating the galaxy happened well before a single uncommon Earth element was used as a means of barter.

Eh. Who was it that coined "mental masturbation"? 

[shiznitz]

Most people who dislike DS9 dislike it because the first couple seasons were kinda lame and they stopped watching after that.  Which is a shame because it really picked up after Sisko grew the beard.

Guilty.

[Abagadro]

After he became Commander Hawk it definitely got better.


(does that ref date me?)

[Morat20]

The episode that is narrated by Sisko as a confession to what he had done to ensure that safety of the federation is probably one of the best trek episodes of any series.

Damn skippy. Especially the ending line.

[LK]

Could you state the name of the episode, please?

[Montague]

In the Pale Moonlight. Season 6, IIRC.

[Ironwood]

The episode that is narrated by Sisko as a confession to what he had done to ensure that safety of the federation is probably one of the best trek episodes of any series.

Damn skippy. Especially the ending line.

Yeah.  Wondrous episode proving the Federation is as morally bankrupt as any system here on Earth.  Yay.

DS9 was total shite.

[Triforcer]

That is the most wrong you have ever been. 

[stray]

I've said it before, but besides the funny, this is the number 1 reason why DS9 isn't shite:




Who, mind you, is also full of the funny himself. But basically, that's the greatest Star Trek villain ever. Perhaps if Khan got as much screen time and attention to character depth as him, I'd say differently -- but as it is, Dukat is the fucking man.

[Ironwood]

This is the same Dukat that got rid of his makeup and became the sidekick to a silly bitch with delusions of Godhood at the end ?

Yeah.  Fine.  Whatever.

Look, you took DS9 and decided that you would throw the turmoils most felt in your country into the storylines.  Bully for you.  I'm sure it resonated.

But you know what ?  The BIG OLE DOMINION WAR wasn't interesting.  The ZOMG THERE ARE RELIGIOUS FREAKS IN CHARGE OF THE NOSE PEOPLE wasn't even remotely interesting.  The TERRORISTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND THEREFORE GOOD aspect was so fucking overdone as to be not funny.

I'm not even going to go into the whole SISKO TURNED INTO A BADASS WITH A BEARD WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY JUST A WHINY PUSSY WHO HAD A DEAD WIFE stuff.  And Jake.  Jake.  For Fuck's Sake, Jake.

Even the episode where he was an old man and his Dad was caught out of time couldn't save Jake.  What a punky little whiny cunt.  Intrepid War Reporter to THE RESCUE !!!

The Ferengi were good.  Quark was good.  Garak was Good.  Those were the Good episodes.  I've never laughed so much when the Ferengi made that Dead Dominion chap come to life and wander around.  Many giggles.

But, hey, whatever.  You want to say that DS9 is the best Trek ? Go for it.  I don't agree, but go for it.  Voyager was fucking mince, most of the films sucked with the exception of Khan and Country, Enterprise was a fucking joke with anti-rad oil thrown in and, frankly, this new film kinda looks to me like that Episode of SG1 (the 200th one) where they float the idea of reworking SG1 with 'younger hipper cast'. 

Trek Died.  It Died very very badly.

I'm ready to let it go.

[stray]

Holy shit! This comes just after I praised you for a one-word awesome post. 


Anyways, I'm not praising for it the storyline so much as the characters. Like you, I thought Quark, Garak, and all that shit was great too. Dukat though -- or you know, Caradassians in general.. cuz Garak had this too -- this guy's proclivity to bullshit people is just legendary. Oh, and the swagger too. Khan didn't have the swagger. Heh

[Reg]

Wow Ironwood. Such passion. You obviously feel very strongly about DS9.  Did you miss a single episode of this much hated Star Trek series? Do you own the complete set of DVDs?

[Merusk]

He's not wrong.

Much  , 'wood.

[Sir T]

No he's not wrong. At all.

Though I did enjoy Nemesis as well. Personal taste.

[Reg]

Oh come on now. You two obviously didn't really hate DS9. If you did you'd be able to quote long passages of dialogue from it that you'd memorized while watching each episode multiple times. 

[Ratman_tf]

This is the same Dukat that got rid of his makeup and became the sidekick to a silly bitch with delusions of Godhood at the end ?

Yeah.  Fine.  Whatever.

Look, you took DS9 and decided that you would throw the turmoils most felt in your country into the storylines.  Bully for you.  I'm sure it resonated.

But you know what ?  The BIG OLE DOMINION WAR wasn't interesting.  The ZOMG THERE ARE RELIGIOUS FREAKS IN CHARGE OF THE NOSE PEOPLE wasn't even remotely interesting.  The TERRORISTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY FREEDOM FIGHTERS AND THEREFORE GOOD aspect was so fucking overdone as to be not funny.

I'm not even going to go into the whole SISKO TURNED INTO A BADASS WITH A BEARD WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY JUST A WHINY PUSSY WHO HAD A DEAD WIFE stuff.  And Jake.  Jake.  For Fuck's Sake, Jake.

Even the episode where he was an old man and his Dad was caught out of time couldn't save Jake.  What a punky little whiny cunt.  Intrepid War Reporter to THE RESCUE !!!

The Ferengi were good.  Quark was good.  Garak was Good.  Those were the Good episodes.  I've never laughed so much when the Ferengi made that Dead Dominion chap come to life and wander around.  Many giggles.

But, hey, whatever.  You want to say that DS9 is the best Trek ? Go for it.  I don't agree, but go for it.  Voyager was fucking mince, most of the films sucked with the exception of Khan and Country, Enterprise was a fucking joke with anti-rad oil thrown in and, frankly, this new film kinda looks to me like that Episode of SG1 (the 200th one) where they float the idea of reworking SG1 with 'younger hipper cast'. 

Trek Died.  It Died very very badly.

I'm ready to let it go.

* out of *****. I'm sorry, but I'm just not feeling the vibe. Started out kinda good with the dig on the very shitty end of Dukat's story, and totally agree that the new Trek reeks of "teen pregnant" bullshit, but everything in the middle lacks inspiration. It reads like a random post from SomethingAwful.

 

[Johny Cee]

After he became Commander Hawk it definitely got better.


(does that ref date me?)

  Spencer for Hire


Shit,  I watched the short-lived Hawk spinoff because I loved the character so much.

[stray]

Oh come on now. You two obviously didn't really hate DS9. If you did you'd be able to quote long passages of dialogue from it that you'd memorized while watching each episode multiple times. 

For real. I can't even quote it, and I liked it.


I'll be honest though.. The guy who plays Sisko is a pretty hammy, overly dramatic actor. Turned me off at first.

On the flipside, it's perfectly in the spirit of Shatner, I guess.

As for good acting, Chief O'Brien is Ace. All the time. He did have one particular episode though where he worked undercover in the Orion Syndicate or something. The story was inspired by Donnie Brasco, and worked suprisingly well in a Star Trek context.

[Reg]

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

[Riggswolfe]

But, hey, whatever.  You want to say that DS9 is the best Trek ? Go for it.  I don't agree, but go for it.  Voyager was fucking mince, most of the films sucked with the exception of Khan and Country, Enterprise was a fucking joke with anti-rad oil thrown in and, frankly, this new film kinda looks to me like that Episode of SG1 (the 200th one) where they float the idea of reworking SG1 with 'younger hipper cast'. 

Trek Died.  It Died very very badly.

I'm ready to let it go.

First, DS9 is shit. I've never understood the love for that show. Even the Defiant was "oh shit, we have a space show where noone can go anywhere!" Sisko? Worst Captain. Period. Worse than Archer. Worse than Janeway.

I do disagree slightly with your films comment though. Khan and Country were the best TOS films. Hands down. In fact, Khan is the only Trek I own. That said, First Contact was also pretty good. So, out of 10(?) movies, they had 3 great ones. The rest ranged from eye-gougingly terrible to so-so.

[Morat20]

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

Didn't the two actors admit they spent a lot of time trying to push that vibe as far as humanly possible?

[Ratman_tf]

First, DS9 is shit. I've never understood the love for that show. Even the Defiant was "oh shit, we have a space show where noone can go anywhere!" Sisko? Worst Captain. Period. Worse than Archer. Worse than Janeway.

Man, I'm totally tempted to go comic book guy over that shit. It's impossible to have a worse captain than Janeway. Like Carrot Top would be a better captain impossible.

[Rishathra]

I don't disagree with anything Ironwood said, really, but I still have a lot of respect for DS9, even if it wasn't totally all the time.  They were at least trying to do something a little different with the Trek universe.  That whole shiny happy people vibe gets old after a while.

Also, Janeway is the worst captain decision-making wise.  Sisko is the worst acting wise.  He was like an unholy combination of Shatner, Calculon from Futurama (incredible ACTING TALENT), and David Caruso.  He did improve a bit when he reverted to Hawk mode.

[Reg]

I'll always regret that Chief O'Brien and Doctor Bashir never got around to coming out of the closet and proclaiming their love for each other.

Didn't the two actors admit they spent a lot of time trying to push that vibe as far as humanly possible?

Haha did they? I'd love to see a link if you can remember where you heard that.

[Johny Cee]

I don't disagree with anything Ironwood said, really, but I still have a lot of respect for DS9, even if it wasn't totally all the time.  They were at least trying to do something a little different with the Trek universe.  That whole shiny happy people vibe gets old after a while.

Also, Janeway is the worst captain decision-making wise.  Sisko is the worst acting wise.  He was like an unholy combination of Shatner, Calculon from Futurama (incredible ACTING TALENT), and David Caruso.  He did improve a bit when he reverted to Hawk mode.

You take that shit back about Hawk,  right fucking now.