Where's the "This Game Sucks" thread?

[rk47]

My advice would be to try it now, the major problem I see long term is population at low levels.  If you play order at the minute you will get the low level scenarios to pop virtually instantly.

I think this is going to become a serious issue. Hell, I only missed about a week of play time, and already I was having problems last night finishing a low level PQ. There just weren't enough people my level in the Empire area working on two of the three PQ's for that area. I banged on one almost solo through the first stage and then died in the second stage because I couldn't solo three champion mobs. That will only get worse, and it will cascade into the lower PVP scenarios and RVR areas as the population levels up.

Having cross-server PVP like they added in DAoC would help the PVP scenario problem. But really, those areas are going to be barren six months from now and new players are going to be stuck PVE'ing with quests and grinding to get to a level where they can enjoy the game. DAoC had this problem with battlegrounds and PVE the last time I was back, big time. They did add the free levels and such to get over it, but it is going to be a huge problem long-term.

Public quest isn't about soloing stuff. Let's keep it in perspective. I also had to contend with soloing public quests during off-peak hours cause I live in Asia, but I didn't mind cause even when I couldn't finish it, I still get influence. Advanced and Elite rewards are quite comparable with Reknown gears and outclasses most random drop loot of the same level. It's still win-win. If you hit a champion stage, definitely ask a guildmate to help out if you want the reward badly, if not move on to other PQ in the zone and work on it. Suck it up, it's public quest.

[Tarami]

Usually you get a choice - look pretty or look mean, but that doesn't play out well in WAR because everyone is fucken ugly. Give the elves some manicure, bring on the cyb0rers and make them all roll tanks!

[schild]

Here's what it comes down to:

This game is about rewards and alliances. I would not hesitate to help anyone on either list if they wanted a PQ reward badly. We can make groups big enough to take keeps in a matter of minutes during peak and even some offpeak hours. We can always get enough people to at least contend in scenarios. Honestly, This game will survive based on guilds not falling apart. Part of the reason I chose to play opposite TSM was because they'd stick it out. The goons and other groups are too volatile and regular uberguilds are too capable of moving from one place to another. Basically, this situation is good for Bat Country (and by extension, the Circus) and from that comes enjoyment that would not be reaped by most players.

As a solo game, it's dog shit but since it was never ever designed to be played solo, that doesn't matter.

PQs aren't about being antisocial and they also aren't antisocial - rather they're just not about Making New Friends. If not making new friends is antisocial, I don't know what to tell you as I don't see it that way. I have 150 friends I can call on at the drop of a hat. And PQs are there for the farming and socialness in said farming.

[Draegan]

Just say'in here that my Warrior Priest looks badass.

[HaemishM]

Public quest isn't about soloing stuff.

Of course. But 1 month in, will there be ANYONE in the zone to help you with the PQ? I have no problem joining a group to do a PQ, but if there's just no one around in that tier because everyone has leveled up, I can't complete the quest. I like completing the quest. Yes, you do still get rewards with influence, and they are good rewards, so it's not a total loss. But new players 1) may not know that, and 2) when you start a quest, you usually like to finish it.

[Nebu]

Of course. But 1 month in, will there be ANYONE in the zone to help you with the PQ? I have no problem joining a group to do a PQ, but if there's just no one around in that tier because everyone has leveled up, I can't complete the quest. I like completing the quest. Yes, you do still get rewards with influence, and they are good rewards, so it's not a total loss. But new players 1) may not know that, and 2) when you start a quest, you usually like to finish it.

I used to have concerns about this as well, but think about other games.  In the 6 year history of DAoC I could always find low level players.  The same existed in WoW.  Yes, you won't find the large groups of low level players like you did at release, but a single group can complete the first two stages if not all of any PQ. 

The key is to create an open group and see who joins you.  If I remember correctly, you could even form an open group of yourself in beta just by right-clicking on your name icon.  Many people will join groups just to see who is at a given PQ. 

It does have the potential for problems, but I think that there are many ways around these.  Hell, I did a PQ last night with 2 other people (one of them being level 18 on a tier 2 PQ).  So higher level people can help you finish for influence and rewards. 

[Khaldun]

You know, the argument made by some people in beta that gear wasn't a big deal, level not a big deal, that RvR would come down to skill and yay, the catassers will no longer dominate?

Ok, maybe not on the scale as some MMOs, but both level and gear are emerging as major factors, especially in world RvR. Tonight at a Tier 2 keep siege, I saw a level 21 warrior priest who had pretty much the best gear sets he could have and a big group of Destruction players in the 15-17 level range could not make a dent in him with max focus fire on him and no additional healers in range. It took a long time to get him anywhere below 75% health. We were in a warband of about 12 players, fairly well-coordinated, a bit light on DPS--tanks and healers mostly. But still.

Moreover, collision detection functions very poorly, so it was impossible to block him off or otherwise contain him even with a wall of tanks trying to hem him in. He'd just keep moving and eventually he'd "skip" through one of us no matter how tightly we packed together.

What's really funny is that the guy is clearly trying to avoid levelling, because he didn't go after squishies or healers, just kept flitting around being a nuisance.

I am guessing this is only the tip of the iceberg: as people figure out how to work the RvR system, it's still going to come down to catasses of some flavor or another driving more and more players towards effectively "mandatory" grinds of some kind required to be able to play with parity in RvR scenarios. If a few people find that when  you push a system to its limits, it creates a very measurable difference between players, then eventually almost everyone is going to feel the impact of that.

[Paelos]

Collision is sucking. I say that as a tank trying to put my ass in your face.

[amiable]

Collision is sucking. I say that as a tank trying to put my ass in your face.

Seems to work pretty welll when 3 Black Orcs pin me to a corner in morkain Temple...

[Numtini]

Having watched a few tanks block a stairway in a keep siege, no, collision does not suck.

[Nebu]

Collision is sucking. I say that as a tank trying to put my ass in your face.

As someone that plays a runepriest, collision is a beautiful thing.  Every tank that I can think of has a snare or stun.  Without the ability to peel tanks off me by using objects/players, I'd be an easy kill every time. 

[Khaldun]

I'm just finding that it's horribly inconsistent--that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's not so much "I can tactically use my toon's body in predictable ways to hem in another player", it's more like "I'm in a very fast bumper car with a blindfold over my face driving around in a circle and bumping violently off of other bumper cars in ways that are sometimes good and sometimes not good".

[Mrbloodworth]

Collision is this game is badly implemented, and means jack all when people with horrible connections pop all over the place.

Anyone tried ye-old- pull out your net connection trick yet? lol. 

[Nebu]

Anyone tried ye-old- pull out your net connection trick yet? lol. 

No, but circle strafing does keep damage from positional melee down.  This concerns me.  Those adept at circle strafing while window dragging are, again, being rewarded for being douchebags. 

[Paelos]

Collision sucks because you think you have it, then the game blips and your target is 10 yards down the road.

[TheWall]

I'll be trying to join Bat just as soon as I get my buddy to quit WoW. Its probably going to take him wasting $40 on WOTLK to see its the same game again. But we will get there eventually. I'd go without him, but we have been playing MMOs together for the last 7 years. UO, DAOC, COH, EvE, WoW...

Dang...I have pissed away a lot of my free time. 

[Rasix]

Heh, in a similar situation with my MMO buddy (RL friend from college), but I know he'll be staying with WoW so I've just jumped to WAR.   His PC runs WoW fine, but during his time in the WAR beta he couldn't get it to run well at all with people on the same screen.

It's a shame too, his brother and he were long time DAoC players and are pretty kick ass pvpers.  They just haven't upgraded their PCs in forever.

[Azaroth]

I never thought I'd say this, but I'll probably hit WOTLK.

And that's ONLY because WAR runs like absolute shit on my computer.

Hopefully something else comes out around the time I realize that I'm playing a really shitty game again.

Edit: Although I'm sure 70-80 will be a pretty good gaming experience.

[bhodikhan]

As a healer I just played with the 'ol window dragging trick I learned in DAOC. Amazing. I can pop all over and those tanks run all over like blind people. I can't believe that Mythic didn't fix that. If you tried that in WOW you would be looking at the character selection screen real fast. This leads me to believe that a lot of code was reused from DAOC.

[Fordel]

It's the same engine is my understanding.

[Soln]

As a healer I just played with the 'ol window dragging trick I learned in DAOC. Amazing. I can pop all over and those tanks run all over like blind people. I can't believe that Mythic didn't fix that. If you tried that in WOW you would be looking at the character selection screen real fast. This leads me to believe that a lot of code was reused from DAOC.

eh?  modem pull? 

[Sjofn]

I'm just finding that it's horribly inconsistent--that sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It's not so much "I can tactically use my toon's body in predictable ways to hem in another player", it's more like "I'm in a very fast bumper car with a blindfold over my face driving around in a circle and bumping violently off of other bumper cars in ways that are sometimes good and sometimes not good".

That's pretty much how I play anyway, so I have that going for me. :D

[Hawkbit]

As a healer I just played with the 'ol window dragging trick I learned in DAOC. Amazing. I can pop all over and those tanks run all over like blind people. I can't believe that Mythic didn't fix that. If you tried that in WOW you would be looking at the character selection screen real fast. This leads me to believe that a lot of code was reused from DAOC.

eh?  modem pull? 

Ever notice the player that seems to blink forward out of range real fast?  yeah... that.  I notice DOKs do it a lot for whatever reason... might be because they're in melee so much.  I first thought that Mythic would need to get the servers a little better in sync to have real pvp... but then I found out it's simply asshat mouthbreating cheaters who can't just play the game the way it was intended.  It's only a few douchebags that are doing it, but it's there. 

[Miasma]

My current problem with the game is that all of the PvE and PQs are completely pointless once you get out of tier one.  All you do is sit at a warcamp for the best min/max scenario, get the kill and complete quests, and do them over and over.  That completely crushes trying to get xp in any other way.  I really like the PvE, I think the quests are pretty good and I enjoy the zones but there are just no rewards.  You can get some blues for doing PQ's but very few are getting done and to farm all that infamy yourself would take hours per chapter.  The best loot is the PvP loot which you need renown for so if you are doing the PvE you are being punished by losing out on the best stuff.

They need to seriously boost the xp and gear rewards from the PvE quests.  I want to get to twenty today and the best way to do it is to sit in marsh of madness and Mourkain temple over and over again.  PvE is not only slower but it gimps me since I get no renown.

[Threash]

My current problem with the game is that all of the PvE and PQs are completely pointless once you get out of tier one.  All you do is sit at a warcamp for the best min/max scenario, get the kill and complete quests, and do them over and over.  That completely crushes trying to get xp in any other way.  I really like the PvE, I think the quests are pretty good and I enjoy the zones but there are just no rewards.  You can get some blues for doing PQ's but very few are getting done and to farm all that infamy yourself would take hours per chapter.  The best loot is the PvP loot which you need renown for so if you are doing the PvE you are being punished by losing out on the best stuff.

They need to seriously boost the xp and gear rewards from the PvE quests.  I want to get to twenty today and the best way to do it is to sit in marsh of madness and Mourkain temple over and over again.  PvE is not only slower but it gimps me since I get no renown.

I havent found it to be that way at all.  Leveling through pvp is viable but it is definitely slower than questing.  I get about 2-3 quests worth of exp per 15 min bg, time enough to do 4-5 quests, of course PQ grinding is slower than either but those are mostly about loot rather than exp.

[HaemishM]

They need to seriously boost the xp and gear rewards from the PvE quests. 

At the risk of sounding like THAT GUY...

You're doing it wrong. 

[Hawkbit]

Here's how it works... 

You do the quests in a chapter and they give you story and will lead you to the PQ locations.  Almost every one of them does it.  Do all that shit solo in your spare time. 

Get a guild group together and go do some PQs.  Completing each PQ in a chapter nets you additional XP for it being new in your ToK. 

At the same time you're doing the guild PQ shit, also be signing up for the local scenario as a group.  That way you're getting rr too. 

The trick is.... and here it comes.... you gotta be social!!  Make people hang out with you.  Doing stuff with other people in this game makes it worth playing.

[Arthur_Parker]

My current problem with the game is that all of the PvE and PQs are completely pointless once you get out of tier one.  All you do is sit at a warcamp for the best min/max scenario, get the kill and complete quests, and do them over and over.  That completely crushes trying to get xp in any other way. 

I understand why you'd do it but I found that's a fairly boring way to go about playing.  I find I have an idea of what I want to do and then end up getting sucked into something more fun. 

Last night I wanted to do some quests in the other realms, toyed with the idea of starting at chapter 1 and advancing upwards but stumbled into chapter 12 or 13 Elf land, found lots of quests there.  Ended up doing RVR quests, thought I'm not going to be able to do this kill 5 enemy players one, so looked for an open RVR warband.  Joined the warband going and then spent the next 30-40 minutes capturing the couple of outstanding battlefield objectives we had in T3 there.  Killed a few enemy players, finished all the RVR quests, including one that had me killing a level 31 mob at level 23 (Noticed a big leap in equipment quality at rank 23, also equipment is starting to look really cool, coloured cloak etc).  Also it's really nice capturing an objective and then getting a few hundred realm points just for defending it for a couple of minutes.  Noticed I was getting realm points even when I wasn't in pvp due to zone control changing back and forth but it seems to max out at 99% of your level, I think I need to do some pvp when at 99% to push to the next level so I'll then be able to take advantage of this type of passive realm point gain again.

After that I backtracked to Elf chapter 10 and found a shit load of quests, lots of annoying running back and forth but before I know it I'm almost rank 24.  I'm going to avoid scenarios for now as they are pretty good if you are winning but really frustrating if you are on the losing side and trying to use them to level up, instead of just for an occasional change of pace.

I'm still loving the game, but there's a 20 second delay on sending mail in-game, probably to stop spammers, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION IF MAILING AN ALT ON THE SAME ACCOUNT, it's very very annoying.

Top tips, if you are stuck on a quest, right click everything in your quest backpack, sometimes it triggers the next part.  If a mob is meant to spawn on a quest and doesn't, abandon the quest and start it again.

[Righ]

As a healer I just played with the 'ol window dragging trick I learned in DAOC. Amazing. I can pop all over and those tanks run all over like blind people. I can't believe that Mythic didn't fix that. If you tried that in WOW you would be looking at the character selection screen real fast. This leads me to believe that a lot of code was reused from DAOC.

Mythic's response in DAOC was something along the lines of "we can't penalize it because it could be real lag".

However, its pretty easy to take away the most commonly exploited tools - windowed mode and UI window resizing while engaged in combat. Actually don't do that - fix the CTD associated with alt-tab, then, whenever the game window or UI windows are resized or whenever somebody switches task, just root the character for 15 seconds and put all their abilities on 15s cooldown if they are available or on a shorter cooldown.

But for the love of all that's WAAAGH fix the CTDs first.

[Sjofn]

I'm still loving the game, but there's a 20 second delay on sending mail in-game, probably to stop spammers, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION IF MAILING AN ALT ON THE SAME ACCOUNT, it's very very annoying.

I would settle for letting me mail multiple things with one shot (like in WoW). But yeah, the mail thing totally blows it right out the ass.

[Fordel]

What if you try to sell yourself gold? THEN WHAT?

[amiable]

I'm still loving the game, but there's a 20 second delay on sending mail in-game, probably to stop spammers, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD REMOVE THAT RESTRICTION IF MAILING AN ALT ON THE SAME ACCOUNT, it's very very annoying.

I would settle for letting me mail multiple things with one shot (like in WoW). But yeah, the mail thing totally blows it right out the ass.

Seriously, the mail system is all kinds of retarded. Something needs to be done.

[Righ]

I haven't yet installed any addons (the game is already unstable enough for my liking) but this is the one that's tempted me most:

http://war.curse.com/downloads/war-addons/details/sendstuff.aspx

[Oz]

Ever notice the player that seems to blink forward out of range real fast?  yeah... that.  I notice DOKs do it a lot for whatever reason... might be because they're in melee so much.  I first thought that Mythic would need to get the servers a little better in sync to have real pvp... but then I found out it's simply asshat mouthbreating cheaters who can't just play the game the way it was intended.  It's only a few douchebags that are doing it, but it's there.

I see this way, way too much currently.

[Nebu]

Played a scenario last night where the enemy's zealots did nothing but circle strafe and window drag.  If this continues, it's going to be a deal breaker.  DAoC suffered this kind of crap for years and I'm really tired of the lame asses call this type of thing "skill".  If you're so damn skilled, just play the game straight and see how you do.