Heroes

[Jeff Kelly]

God people, you are so spoiled.

I only slept 3 hours tonight because I made the mistake of buying the Season 1 box set and I watched all of the 23 episodes in a single session. (Glad I am on holiday)

The last time I just couldn't bring myself to stop watching a show was a long time ago. This is great television. Maybe all of you film, tv and comic book geeks are just too jaded to acknowledge that ;)

But seriously, I liked it a lot. If you think that's mediocre than I want to watch what you deem awesome. It has to be baby jesus in DVD form ;)

Well I have the luxury of being just ignorant about comic book stories in general so maybe I just doesn't get where they got inspired by (or simply copied from) so ignorance might be bliss.

I will go out today and buy the Season 2 set and probably don't get much sleep tonight either.

[Merusk]

It's not Nikki, as shown by the power scene.  Instead, it's her sister.  Separated and mind-wiped when she "died."  The Company's done weirder shit.

As to the bitch that "everyone who's watching has seen these stories before."  You're wrong.  If that were all the audience Heroes had, it'd have gone the way of "Firefly" back in S1.  I'm willing to bet MAYBE 1/3 of the audience caught the Magneto reference, and probably 1/2 that knows the actual name of, "That flying dude from the x-men movies."

[Cyrrex]

Seem obvious that it's Jessica, now that you mention it.

I'm a little unsure what to think about these two episodes.  It may have been a bit over-the-top for the start of a season.  I suppose it needs to be viewed as part of the greater collage, however, especially given the writers' tendency to explain everything later via flashbacks and time travel.

[Nevermore]

Some thoughts:

[Hawkbit]

You're wrong. 

No, you are.   

I will go out today and buy the Season 2 set and probably don't get much sleep tonight either.

S1 is a great piece of work.  S2, not so much.  Remember that the writer's strike hit mid-season, so the middle of the storyline just goes fubar as episodes were cut, along with a whole freakin' volume of the story that was supposed to air in the early part of this year. 

They did good work starting this season off trying to tie up the story from last year, though. 

I feel better about the episodes today, but I still am a little peeved that they unabashedly stole from some of the other major stories.  These are writers for NBC, not fan fiction. 

[Rishathra]

I liked this season so far, it has potential, but there were a few things bugging me.

1.) Fake ass reasons to not use powers to solve simple problems.  Hiro - "I won't go into the past ever again."  Fuck, you mean like what you were doing with carefree abandon five minutes ago???  Potential for fucking the world up royally:  Warping back to Feudal Japan = high.  Hiccupping back to thirty seconds ago to stop yourself from acting like a complete moron = fairly low.

2.) Mohinder and the Unnamed 80's Movie homage.  The homage itself didn't bug () me at all.  It was the almost instant 180 that he did from the rest of the show, where he's trying to help and to control the power in people, now all of a sudden he's "powers for everyone, yay!"  One of the major flaws in this show, and not just this episode, is that the writers are making similar mistakes to the Battlestar ones.  They are making the show entirely plot-driven, to the point that they are making characters do what they normally wouldn't ever do, just for the sake of developing a pet plot point.

Mama Petrelli is awesome.  All the fucked up things she does, and I'm still not sure whether she's actually bad or just ruthlessly good.  Scene stealer.

Mmmmmmaya.  Her character is absolute shit, but I DON'T CARE ONE BIT as long as she keeps wearing those string tops.

[Merusk]

Some thoughts:

 

[Cyrrex]

It was Adam's blood, but that was my thought as well.  On the other hand, if that means that the blood of the self-healers will make others immortal after a simple injection, then I don't like where that might lead.

[Ookii]

I love they finally have a part for the head terrorist they cut out of the original pilot, the african guy who hooks up with Peter in the desert.  Hopefully he can do more then paint the future, or else ol' Kringy has been a little short in the creative department.

Also if they keep saving Sylar he better turn into a good badguy aka Magneto in x-Men, I figure the only way they can keep him consistenly in the show is if helps everyone out.

[Evil Elvis]

Didn't really like it.  It's like their response to the criticism of the slow-ass 2nd season was to cram as much as possible into the start of the 3rd.  Instead of creating tension it just felt hectic and random.  I think it's getting bogged down by too many characters and plot lines.  For the love of God, kill wonder sex-twin, Sylar, and Bizarro-Peter.  I wouldn't mind Flyhinder, Parkman, or regular Peter taking a dirt nap either.

Was Flashette the blue-skinned chick from Farscape?  Anyway, I thought the best part of either show was probably watching Sylar do his thing.  Whodathunkit.

[Nevermore]

Was Flashette the blue-skinned chick from Farscape?  Anyway, I thought the best part of either show was probably watching Sylar do his thing.  Whodathunkit.

No.  I don't think you meant the blue chick anyway.

Blue chick = Zhaan = Virginia Hey
Grey/White chick = Chiana = Gigi Edgley
Sassy Flash = Daphne = Brea Grant

[Grimwell]

Maybe I expect less from network television? I definitely see it when they pay homage or rip off existing heroic stuff already out there, but I don't really expect them not to. Plus... are they really supposed to create newfangled powers in ways that the comic book guys haven't already done one way or the other? It didn't bother me a whit to watch it and see the powers in action.

Plus, the show isn't about the powers, it's about the plot and what the powers enable.

[Velorath]

[tazelbain]

[Mazakiel]

For something they had all this time to write and put together, the premiere seemed much more like something that got thrown together last minute.  Just one big freaking mess. 

[Abagadro]

This show is seriously testing my patience and making me think it has sucked all along and I'm just now realizing it.

[HaemishM]

Mmmmmmaya.  Her character is absolute shit, but I DON'T CARE ONE BIT as long as she keeps wearing those string tops.

QFT. She was not this hot last season, was she? The light of those glorious funbags in that shirt has made me completely forget.

[Grimwell]

[tazelbain]

[Ookii]

[Nevermore]

[MrHat]

I like this.  It's easy to understand too so they could use it!

[Nevermore]

I like this.  It's easy to understand too so they could use it!

[CmdrSlack]

Then I fully expect him to introduce rock and roll to the 1950s while his hands fade away.

[Ookii]

Anyway Peter should go rescue the Irish girl stuck in the future, she's gotta be a little pissy about the whole situation right about now.

[Tebonas]

I think since they changed that future she doesn't exist there anymore.

[Venkman]

She exists and is probably a terrorist, but she wouldn't know present day nor future Peter.

Peter is still just pissing me off, almost as much as these spoiler tags  It's page 2. If you got this far, you are looking for spoilers, or watched the show already.

Err, yea, anyway: Peter: Go the hell back in time and put present day Peter on ice somewhere instead of suppressing his powers and dumping his soul into someone else. And I immediately thought his powers were suppressed. No way he couldn't have teleported/time-shifted/fireball'd his way out of that cell.

Forgot about Nikki the ice queen trick. Interesting stuff.

And I agree on everyone's thoughts with timeshifting and Hiro not wanting to do it. He's not stopping all of time in the infinite universe. He's keeping himself in stasis in a moment in time, which means time is already progressing around him, which means he's already in the past.

But I agree with whoever said this is becoming like BSG. It's plot points for the "let's see where this takes us" stretch goal rather than clean narrative. And that's always accompanied by superpowers becoming annoyingly underutilized to support a much slower pace that extends the product integration and other marketing advertisement methods.

[MrHat]

I figured Future-Peter used that glamor spell.  Since he's been using it on himself the entire episode.  Used that glamor thingy on present-Peter, and tossed him in the cell.

[Quinton]

I got bored with season two not seeming to go anywhere, retreading stuff we saw in S1, and some of the new characters being pretty uninteresting.  I gave up maybe 6 or 7 episodes in.

I really liked season one.  It was clunky in places but overall a lot of fun and had some incredibly good episodes like Company Man.

So... is it worth grabbing a DVD box set and catching up on S2?  Should I just pretend S2 didn't happen and dive into S3?  Should I give up and watch something else?  Advice?

- Q

[Mazakiel]

Season 2 was rather lackluster overall, and only started getting good again an episode or two after you gave up.  Which was basically when they decided to ditch most of the new things they tried at the beginning of the season.  And Season 3 is looking rather sad so far.  They have another episode or two to win me back over before I give up on it and move on. 

[Tale]

The time travel stuff keeps weakening the plot. Events are no longer shocking, because they are all just part of the altered future, and we know the solution already: fix what future Peter broke.

The bizarre changes in characters, the impact of villains on the world ... it all lacks punch because none of it has any consequences, it's just a temporary future, so why should I care about Claire's pain receptors or what's growing under temporary-Mohinder's skin?

[Tale]

So... is it worth grabbing a DVD box set and catching up on S2?  Should I just pretend S2 didn't happen and dive into S3?  Should I give up and watch something else?  Advice?

I think it's best to have watched S2 before S3. Various characters were developed far beyond what they were in S1 and are now playing big roles in S3.

[Venkman]

The time travel stuff keeps weakening the plot. Events are no longer shocking, because they are all just part of the altered future, and we know the solution already: fix what future Peter broke.

The bizarre changes in characters, the impact of villains on the world ... it all lacks punch because none of it has any consequences, it's just a temporary future, so why should I care about Claire's pain receptors or what's growing under temporary-Mohinder's skin?

I agree. I think they front-loaded Peter's powers too much. Or maybe they should have put some sort of diminishing returns or decay timer on his powers. Since he absorbs them through proximity, perhaps they dissappate.

Of course, it's too late for that now.

What I don't get is when Peter was around Molly, why doesn't he just combine his GPS and teleporter abilities to go to get whatever he needs. Add that to time travel and future Peter could do stuff and then undo it, finally learning that altering history is not a good thing to do.

Instead they'll gimp his powers while taking 21 more episodes to continue showing why altering history is not a good thing.

[KallDrexx]

What I don't get is when Peter was around Molly, why doesn't he just combine his GPS and teleporter abilities to go to get whatever he needs. Add that to time travel and future Peter could do stuff and then undo it, finally learning that altering history is not a good thing to do.

Instead they'll gimp his powers while taking 21 more episodes to continue showing why altering history is not a good thing.

Um maybe I am just bizarro for not disliking the S3 so far as everyone else here seems to do, but it seems they took a lot of ideas from the butterfly effect movie besides the proverb.  The whole talks to Peter from his mother was all about how you can't play god, and you can't just go into the past to create a Utopia.  Anything Peter does in the past to try and fix something will fuck something else up just as bad, if not worse.

It looked to me like that was the point and future peter was getting that when he was told about Clair.

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