Heroes

[Samwise]

She just needs to learn how to draw aggro, and then find a nuker to partner with.

[Venkman]

I thought it was interesting that they FINALLY brought that up. Of course, she's approaching it like a niave teenager, but that seems appropriate. Asking Peter how he used his powers though was funny. But really, she's just a Highlander who'll have otherwise pedestrian human skills, including the ability to hone them for a few thousand years. At least Hiro could jump back to the beginning of his Samurai training every two hours, Groundhog Day piano-lesson style.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Claire can't die.. she also can't do jack all else.

So she's pretty worthless as a hero really. 

Claire is essentially deadpool. She really just needs training, weapons and a witty inner monologue....the first two are probably feasible.

[Evildrider]

Claire can't die.. she also can't do jack all else.

So she's pretty worthless as a hero really. 

Claire is essentially deadpool. She really just needs training, weapons and a witty inner monologue....the first two are probably feasible.

Yeah.. she needs a training montage! 

[Cyrrex]

You all seem to be forgetting that Mohinder could just inject her with some crap (or she could do it to herself).  Ding-gratz!  New abilities at level 2 and stuff.

[Venkman]

That's where I think things are headed, with the foreshadowing of Ando's lightning blast against Hiro in yet-another-future. Claire didn't exhibit anything approaching real power though, but that was from future Peter's yet-another-but-not-the-same-future where mayhap the formula did or didn't exist.

Of course, we don't know what Hiro's formula is yet either, do we?

[Mazakiel]

From what Mohinder said in the premier, the shot triggers you having a power develop, but what that power ends up being is based on blood/genetics.  So, giving that shot to someone who already had a power would likely do nothing.  Hence Claire using a gun. 

Mohinder starting to go all goopy could very well be similar to what killed his sister.  She apparently had a power, but it ended up killing her when she was young.  Which you'd think he'd have realized, but oh well. 

[Lakov_Sanite]

From what Mohinder said in the premier, the shot triggers you having a power develop, but what that power ends up being is based on blood/genetics.  So, giving that shot to someone who already had a power would likely do nothing.  Hence Claire using a gun. 

Mohinder starting to go all goopy could very well be similar to what killed his sister.  She apparently had a power, but it ended up killing her when she was young.  Which you'd think he'd have realized, but oh well. 

Mohinders sister died of the disease that was prominent in season two, the one that only targetted mutants, she didn't die because of her power which they haven't ever revealed.

[Venkman]

I thought she could do something with dreams? Didn't she have some interaction with Parkman or some such?

[Lakov_Sanite]

I thought she could do something with dreams? Didn't she have some interaction with Parkman or some such?

No, mohinders sister died when he was around ten, way before having anything or ever being on the show and parkman would have been 16-20 maybe?. Mohinder did meet a young boy with dream powers that let him see flashbacks though, which may have been where you're getting the idea but as for (ashanti was her name?) they never did explain exactly how she was special.

[Venkman]

Ah ok yea Mohinder meeting that boy is what I was misrememberating.

[Jeff Kelly]

1.) Fake ass reasons to not use powers to solve simple problems.  Hiro - "I won't go into the past ever again."  Fuck, you mean like what you were doing with carefree abandon five minutes ago???  Potential for fucking the world up royally:  Warping back to Feudal Japan = high.  Hiccupping back to thirty seconds ago to stop yourself from acting like a complete moron = fairly low.

It is absolutely believable for Hiro however. The last time he went back to the past he nearly destriyed history and created a villain that tried to wipe out all of human civilization. I'd be a wee bit careful about travelling to the past after that either.

Also the last lesson of his father before he died was 'We have the power of gods, but we aren't gods'. Fate has to be accepted and one should not try to alter it. A lesson that Peter didn't learn apparently.

That's what I like about Heroes by the way. Sometimes the characters might be a bit boring or stupid, but believably so. The same with Maya. She is a simple and a bit naive girl that got a really terrible power that she couldn't control. She killed her entire village, didn't know what had happened with her and thought she was cursed.

That girl was desperate, really desperate to get to the one person she hoped could help her get rid of her 'curse'. The storyline itself maybe didn't amount to much but how the characters in it acted was quite believable (at least in my opinion)

2.) Mohinder and the Unnamed 80's Movie homage.  The homage itself didn't bug () me at all.  It was the almost instant 180 that he did from the rest of the show, where he's trying to help and to control the power in people, now all of a sudden he's "powers for everyone, yay!"  One of the major flaws in this show, and not just this episode, is that the writers are making similar mistakes to the Battlestar ones.  They are making the show entirely plot-driven, to the point that they are making characters do what they normally wouldn't ever do, just for the sake of developing a pet plot point.

I disagree. Mohinder always says that he wants to do everything for the sake of mankind but that's a lie he tells himself. All he really wants to do is live up to daddy's expectations and complete the task his father started long ago. Mohinder always was a bit drunk as far as his groundbreaking science was concerned. He even turned sides and worked with the company. Because 'they want to help people' is what he always told everybody but secretly it is because they provide him with the means and the environment in which he can conduct his research. If he were concerned about the well being of the world he wouldn't work for somebody that experiments with people's abilities and viruses that could destroy humanity.

Mohinder is a bit like Linderman in that respect. He actually believes that what he does is benefitting the greater good, he just has a very twisted sense of what that means. He also has serious daddy issues. He could be a really good mengele-type or Jekyll/Hyde character. He basically always doeseverything because of his own ego and the drive for knowledge and discovery and rationalizes it by telling himself it was 'done for the greater good'. A lot of scientists are exactly like that.

I don't mind all of the homages and outright stealing of superhero themed stories. Better well stolen than badly self made.

[HaemishM]

Claire can't die.. she also can't do jack all else.

So she's pretty worthless as a hero really. 

Maybe so, but there wasn't any previous indication that hottie mom knew how to fight either.

[Rishathra]

1.) Fake ass reasons to not use powers to solve simple problems.  Hiro - "I won't go into the past ever again."  Fuck, you mean like what you were doing with carefree abandon five minutes ago???  Potential for fucking the world up royally:  Warping back to Feudal Japan = high.  Hiccupping back to thirty seconds ago to stop yourself from acting like a complete moron = fairly low.

It is absolutely believable for Hiro however. The last time he went back to the past he nearly destroyed history and created a villain that tried to wipe out all of human civilization. I'd be a wee bit careful about travelling to the past after that either.

Also the last lesson of his father before he died was 'We have the power of gods, but we aren't gods'. Fate has to be accepted and one should not try to alter it. A lesson that Peter didn't learn apparently.

That's what I like about Heroes by the way. Sometimes the characters might be a bit boring or stupid, but believably so. The same with Maya. She is a simple and a bit naive girl that got a really terrible power that she couldn't control. She killed her entire village, didn't know what had happened with her and thought she was cursed.

I understand Hiro's reluctance, but again, refer to the bolded point above.

2.) Mohinder and the Unnamed 80's Movie homage.  The homage itself didn't bug () me at all.  It was the almost instant 180 that he did from the rest of the show, where he's trying to help and to control the power in people, now all of a sudden he's "powers for everyone, yay!"  One of the major flaws in this show, and not just this episode, is that the writers are making similar mistakes to the Battlestar ones.  They are making the show entirely plot-driven, to the point that they are making characters do what they normally wouldn't ever do, just for the sake of developing a pet plot point.

I disagree. Mohinder always says that he wants to do everything for the sake of mankind but that's a lie he tells himself. All he really wants to do is live up to daddy's expectations and complete the task his father started long ago. Mohinder always was a bit drunk as far as his groundbreaking science was concerned. He even turned sides and worked with the company. Because 'they want to help people' is what he always told everybody but secretly it is because they provide him with the means and the environment in which he can conduct his research. If he were concerned about the well being of the world he wouldn't work for somebody that experiments with people's abilities and viruses that could destroy humanity.

Mohinder is a bit like Linderman in that respect. He actually believes that what he does is benefitting the greater good, he just has a very twisted sense of what that means. He also has serious daddy issues. He could be a really good mengele-type or Jekyll/Hyde character. He basically always doeseverything because of his own ego and the drive for knowledge and discovery and rationalizes it by telling himself it was 'done for the greater good'. A lot of scientists are exactly like that.

That actually makes a whole lot of sense.  I've changed my mind about Mohinder now.  I still think his 180 (and it is a 180, reasonable or no) is a little too sharp.  It's kind of like the current deal with Sylar, where apparently all it took was Mama Petrelli to say "I'm your mommy and I love you" a few times to get him to behave.  Granted, not that he behaved all that well, but still.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The comment bennet made in the car with sylar was very telling.

HRG-"you know she's playing you, this is all just a game to her."

Sylar-"maybe but aren't you curious to find out what happens?"

This to me makes sylar that much cooler because it shows he's being calculating. Does he think he's her son? at this point I don't think he would care if he was or wasn't. He knows if he plays along he gets more juicy brains so why not? Sylar has no list to follow or was to detect powers in others so using the company makes perfect sense.

[Evildrider]

I'm pretty sure that Sylar knows he's getting fucked with.  He just doesn't care because this puts him where he wants to be, catching and stealing the escapees powers.

[Venkman]

If you're sitting here looking at this thread 9 minutes before the end of the episode, you deserve whatever spoilers follow 

Why can Peter use his powers in Level 5 but nobody else can?

[Lakov_Sanite]

If you're sitting here looking at this thread 9 minutes before the end of the episode, you deserve whatever spoilers follow 

Why can Peter use his powers in Level 5 but nobody else can?

I assume they usually kept the other prisoners drugged.

[schild]

FUTURE SYLER IS AWESOME.

[fuser]

As abysmal as season 2 was, deep down I was kinda hoping season 3 would recover.

[Nevermore]

You know who else is awesome?  Matt's new buddy Usutu (That's what his wiki entry says his name is, though I don't remember it being said in the show).  That guy is hilarious.  "You don't read much."

There were so many inconsistencies in that whole Costa Verde scene I'm not even sure where to begin.

Edit:

[Jeff Kelly]

Why? Hiro said 'save the cheerleader, save the world'. Which they did. Never ever was it even hinted at that Claire would die. Just that they wouldn't have any way of defeating Sylar and stopping the destruction of New York if he got Claire's power. Isaac's pictures are very misleading in that respect. We saw what we thought was a dead Claire but look at her father. Isaac's picture depicted him as being dead but he got healed by Mohinder with Claire's blood.

It is also not entirely correct that she can't die. Several people already hinted at a headshot or severed head being the only way in which such a person can be killed. It's just that Sylar and Claire didn't know that at that point in time. It's basically like being a highlander you can survive anything but chop off the head and all is over.

[Bunk]

Even then, I get the impression that if they stuck her head up to her neck it would reattach. Remeber, she recovered from having a two by four in her brain, once they pulled it out.

And I agree, the point of season one wasn't keeping Clair from dieing, it was keeping Clair safe from Sylar.

[kaid]

I don't think a head shot or decapitation would truly kill her. It will make it appear that she is dead but if the pieces are ever brought together or the object in her head is removed everything will grow back together and she will come alive again.

[Merusk]

Destroy the brain.  Not just a headshot, pulp everything.

[Samwise]

YAY KENSAI IS BACK!   

[schild]

You mean Stark!

[Hawkbit]

Destroy the brain.  Not just a headshot, pulp everything.

Didn't you see Terminator 2, dude?  Even that don't work.  

[voodoolily]

I don't think a head shot or decapitation would truly kill her. It will make it appear that she is dead but if the pieces are ever brought together or the object in her head is removed everything will grow back together and she will come alive again.

But Peter, being an empath, has her self-healing ability and  What's different this time?

[Nevermore]

I don't think a head shot or decapitation would truly kill her. It will make it appear that she is dead but if the pieces are ever brought together or the object in her head is removed everything will grow back together and she will come alive again.

But Peter, being an empath, has her self-healing ability and  What's different this time?

[voodoolily]

That's because the other, non-scarface version was still running around somewhere/sometime.
Edit: Wait, isn't this a spoiler thread? Am I allowed to just freely discuss episodes without hiding everything?

[Tebonas]

I either don't get this or the writers are hacks.

How did they justify changing Sylars basic motivation from "I want to be the most special person ever" to "The hunger made me do it"?

Looks like a cheap ploy to me to transfer his problems to Peter and redeem him because it wasn't his fault.

I call bullshit on that.

The worst thing is they had the perfect out. Just let future Sylar say "Everyone has superpowers now. I'm special for not using them anymore. Yay me!"

[Samwise]

I say that the day after the episode airs is completely fair game for spoilers.  If you haven't seen it by then you must not care that much.

I can sort of buy Sylar's change.  "I want to be special" could have just been one way of expressing "the hunger" before he was able to get it under control.  Eh.  I'm not going to rely on a gibbering psychopath to be perfectly accurate in expressing why he's doing what he's doing.

I should probably be more annoyed that they're taking all of the last season's bad guys and making them into antiheroes, since it's kind of cliche, but I like them well enough that I think I'm okay with it.  This show is all about having fun with superhero cliches anyway.

[Tebonas]

Hmm, maybe.

Since thats the only thing that bugged me and this season is leaps and bounds better than the last one I'll let it slide.

I like the new additions, hope African spirit guide can snark on some other heroes as well. Plenty of work for him there! 

[voodoolily]

How did they justify changing Sylars basic motivation from "I want to be the most special person ever" to "The hunger made me do it"?

Well, he wanted to be #1 Special Guy before Angela Petrelli reenters his life as the doting birth-mother his peasant adopted mom could never be. I assume that between Sylar's capture/conversion to team player and Gabriel's paternal waffle-making, Angela had time to heal him emotionally and psychically.