Does this game get better as you level?

[slog]

LOL.

I'm just appling MJ's own rules about NDAs here.  Myabe he shouldn't have posted items that he now regrets stating.

[amiable]

LOL.

I'm just appling MJ's own rules about NDAs here.  Myabe he shouldn't have posted items that he now regrets stating.

I get it, but at this point, is it worth engaging in this debate?  I would wager that the endgame experience is a good deal similar to the beggining experience.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you like the PvP style/experience in Tiers 1 and 2, you will most likely like it in Tiers 3/4 and the same if you dislike it.

[EWSpider]

The Elder NDA is in place so that people can't post spoilers and guides on high level content.

[Draegan]

The Elder NDA is in place so that people can't post spoilers and guides on high level content.

Doesn't matter how many times you tell people this, they still won't believe it.

[HaemishM]

Me? Shit, I'm broke as fuck. The last new game I bought for myself was FIFA 08 for the Wii. And that was a disaster of shitty shit shit shit. I either buy used or wait until that shit goes down in price.

Ok, change that to last 5 games that you bought that were released within the last few years.

Let me think on that:

FIFA 08 (Wii - and then the PS2 version because the Wii version sucked so bad - is that 1 or 2?)
Madden 08 Wii
Battlefield 2
Battlefield 2142
Medieval: Total War 2

What do I win?

[Azaroth]

Refunds?

[Nija]

The Elder NDA is in place so that people can't post spoilers and guides on high level content.

What high level content?

[croaker69]

The Elder NDA is in place so that people can't post spoilers and guides on high level content.

What high level content?

You know, the stuff Mythic is desperately trying to create right now.

[Triforcer]

I take back what I said about scenario pvp.  Nordenwatch is MUCH, MUCH better than Ekrund.  I think the problem in Ekrund was that dwarfs/greenskins have no MDPS and that damn ledge faceoff- combined, it made for the no-dying healer/tank showdown I explained earlier.  Nordenwatch is much more fun, people try to mess up healers, and its possible to kill people (having a nice lvl 1 Morale- point-blank- doesn't hurt either). 

[EWSpider]

I can only assume one of two things about the people that keep whining about the Elder NDA:

1.  You're Mentally Handicapped
2.  You're trying to bait any Elders lurking here into breaking the NDA

[slog]

I can only assume one of two things about the people that keep whining about the Elder NDA:

1.  You're Mentally Handicapped
2.  You're trying to bait any Elders lurking here into breaking the NDA

Gimmick account or Fanboi refugee?

[EWSpider]

I can only assume one of two things about the people that keep whining about the Elder NDA:

1.  You're Mentally Handicapped
2.  You're trying to bait any Elders lurking here into breaking the NDA

Gimmick account or Fanboi refugee?

Neither, I've actually played with you slog quite extensively in Shadowbane with Masquers.  I suppose that doesn't rule out that I could be a fanboi, but whatever.  I'm sure you and others will assume I'm a fanboi no matter what I say, just like you'll continue to assume the Elder NDA is hiding something other than a content rich end game.

[FatuousTwat]

And why would they need to hide that?

[EWSpider]

And why would they need to hide that?

I already stated the reason.

[FatuousTwat]

Excuse me.

And why would they need to hide that?

[EWSpider]

Excuse me.

And why would they need to hide that?

Your question doesn't make sense given the context of my original statement.  Are you asking why they don't want spoilers and encounter guides posted on the Internet before the game even releases?

[FatuousTwat]

I'm just kidding. That statement was meant to agree with Croaker's post above, sorry if no one got it.

[EWSpider]

I'm just kidding. That statement was meant to agree with Croaker's post above, sorry if no one got it.

I'm not unsettled, in fact your use of green text soothed me in a minty sort of way.

[FatuousTwat]

I really prefer the lime green over the plain green.

[Draegan]

If someone describes something as Cucumber Green, are you to take that as the color of the inside or outside of the cucumber?

[slog]

I can only assume one of two things about the people that keep whining about the Elder NDA:

1.  You're Mentally Handicapped
2.  You're trying to bait any Elders lurking here into breaking the NDA

Gimmick account or Fanboi refugee?

Neither, I've actually played with you slog quite extensively in Shadowbane with Masquers.  I suppose that doesn't rule out that I could be a fanboi, but whatever.  I'm sure you and others will assume I'm a fanboi no matter what I say, just like you'll continue to assume the Elder NDA is hiding something other than a content rich end game.

Masquers! fun times!!

Mostly we are talking about NDA because Mark Jacobs made a post WAY BACK WHEN about how having an NDA this late means that players should be suspicious about the game.  Now he has to eat his own words. 

If Shadowbane taught me anything, it's "NEVER BUY A GAME AT RELEASE"  You would think AOC reinforced that decision.

[EWSpider]

I'm sure if he read this thread he'd want to update his original statement to say something like "general" NDA or some other such nomenclature.

[cevik]

I'm sure if he read this thread he'd want to update his original statement to say something like "general" NDA or some other such nomenclature.

If only he knew he wouldn't be able to lift the NDA before launch he would have not ever made that statement..

Yeah, uhh.. that's kinda obvious.

[EWSpider]

He made a post somewhere that he was content with when the NDA was lifted and how it fit into his original statement.

[tazelbain]

Especially since DAoC has always had a NDA in one form or another.

[cevik]

He made a post somewhere that he was content with when the NDA was lifted and how it fit into his original statement.

CEO of company makes a statement that spins positively for his product, news at 11?

[EWSpider]

He made a post somewhere that he was content with when the NDA was lifted and how it fit into his original statement.

CEO of company makes a statement that spins positively for his product, news at 11?

Fair enough.

[FatuousTwat]

If someone describes something as Cucumber Green, are you to take that as the color of the inside or outside of the cucumber?

I think the inside.

[Ingmar]

Excuse me.

And why would they need to hide that?

Your question doesn't make sense given the context of my original statement.  Are you asking why they don't want spoilers and encounter guides posted on the Internet before the game even releases?

Actually yeah I would question that, if I didn't know the answer. It is the same reason that everything in TOA was a secret, to the point where CSRs weren't even allowed to tell you which things were bugs and which weren't at first - in the sunshine-and-rainbows-filled imagination of Mark Jacobs, people will have great fun figuring out encounters and finding things out for themselves. Smell the roses!

...except it is clearly demonstrable that most people who focus on PVP, which is probably the prime customer segment for an RVR game, don't want to spend any more time in PVE than the game forces them too. I like exploring and such things myself, but I'm under no illusions that most people share that desire, and it isn't like having that information out there makes it impossible for me to do so. I can just *not read* those sites.

I will never really understand why Mythic is so paranoid about all this sort of thing. But I guess we can look at all the damage being open about everything has done to Blizzard - hmmm....

[cevik]

...It is the same reason that everything in TOA was a secret...

Now that's a frightening statement.

[EWSpider]

There's no *cough* "glory" in completing a PvE encounter after all the guides have been posted on teh interweb.  Even if you claim not to have read them no one will believe you.  I could care less about such things as I'm one of the rvr people that will be waiting for those very guides before I attempt any of the encounters.  However, when I say spoilers I don't just mean guides.  There's more than one "whoa that was fucking cool" moments to be had, and if people were already posting screenshots and movies those moments would lose some of their cool factor.  I understand a very small minority will get to experience and do these things first hand before the spoilers go up, but at least those people that enjoy being the first to do such things and figure things out on their own will have that opportunity instead of having it ruined before the game even releases.

[Lakov_Sanite]

There's no *cough* "glory" in completing a PvE encounter after all the guides have been posted on teh interweb.  Even if you claim not to have read them no one will believe you.  I could care less about such things as I'm one of the rvr people that will be waiting for those very guides before I attempt any of the encounters.  However, when I say spoilers I don't just mean guides.  There's more than one "whoa that was fucking cool" moments to be had, and if people were already posting screenshots and movies those moments would lose some of their cool factor.  I understand a very small minority will get to experience and do these things first hand before the spoilers go up, but at least those people that enjoy being the first to do such things and figure things out on their own will have that opportunity instead of having it ruined before the game even releases.

My guild wasn't the first to kill illidan or even the 100th so I read spoilers and even watched movies but when we finally did kill him....it felt pretty awesome to me.

[EWSpider]

personal satisfaction != glory

But you have a point, there's still some accomplishment in defeating a difficult encounter even with spoilers as they still typically require a ridiculous amount of coordination.

[Lakov_Sanite]

I'm not just gushing on wow either, that's been my experience in many online games. Oh sure it can feel good to be the most advanced guild on your server but the satisfaction of doing something for that first time if it's truly difficult isn't diminished by spoilers.

To compre online games to real life ( ) it's one thing to read about a place, it's another to actually go there.



edit: so yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this preserving the endgame stuff, I seriously doubt that whatever is there is finished/polished the way mythic wants it to be.

[tkinnun0]

personal satisfaction != glory

But you have a point, there's still some accomplishment in defeating a difficult encounter even with spoilers as they still typically require a ridiculous amount of coordination.

You put the penis in the vagina and then you move it around.. Oh wait, did I just spoil sex for you?