Does this game get better as you level?

[Lakov_Sanite]

You sit at a flag until it's captured. ok so it's not traditional "capture the flag" like grabbing it and bringing it back to your base but from what i've seen of rvr and the scenario's it's all some version of "sit here for X amount of time"

[Evildrider]

Well thats pretty much even what real war is.. either protect x from y or attack x and take y from z.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Well thats pretty much even what real war is.. either protect x from y or attack x and take y from z.

Uh...maybe when you boil it down to it's most basic components sure but for some reason I think I was looking for more. No vehicles just stationary dps batteries, no destructible environments just keep doors. All there is in the game(in my limited experience) is sitting on flags or killing a keep lord and sitting in a keep. Yes the actual player vs player part is fun but for a game so highly about pvp i was just expecting a bit more than sitting on flags.

[amiable]

Well thats pretty much even what real war is.. either protect x from y or attack x and take y from z.

Uh...maybe when you boil it down to it's most basic components sure but for some reason I think I was looking for more. No vehicles just stationary dps batteries, no destructible environments just keep doors. All there is in the game(in my limited experience) is sitting on flags or killing a keep lord and sitting in a keep. Yes the actual player vs player part is fun but for a game so highly about pvp i was just expecting a bit more than sitting on flags.

While there is none of what you describe, there is more variation in the higher Tier scenarios, for example: In tier 2 Stone troll crossing the group must capture an item and use it to 3 different locations.  I think the Elder Beta NDA is still up so I can't talk about the level 40 scenarios. 

[Vinadil]

One of my favorite is the one where one team must capture a ball, and then the other has to "take" it from the guy holding it on the other team.  You only really gain points while holding the ball... and if you try to hide out of combat the ball starts killing you.

[tmp]

Quest gear and the opportunity to get low level blues, greens and purples are worth more than the reknown gear.

I started dabbling with scenarios from level 2... then would just queue up for them while doing some random PvE as it's nice change of pace. Hit renown rank 11 together with level 11, renown gear at that rank kinda makes the quest rewards for my level look like vendor food.

But then in the 9 out of 10 or so PQs i tried in early levels i was regularly placed 6th when there's 5 loot bags handed out, and just once got some green gloves that the renown gear put to shame couple scenarios later. So guess that's varying mileage and all that 

[Draegan]

For the first Tier I'm going to quest until the first PQ then sit in the PQ until my influence maxes out and do Scenarios every chance I get.  Because you can queue from anywhere and you get tossed back to where you left after the game I can just sit in the two areas.

Once I outlevel that PQ I'll start questing towards the next one and do the same.  Then when I hit rank 9 or 10 I'll do some open RVR stuff.

[slog]

i recently found out that if you just go to a PQ area and AFK, you still get xp and whatnot.  I'll try that tonight and see how it goes.

[tmp]

For the first Tier I'm going to quest until the first PQ then sit in the PQ until my influence maxes out

Takes doing the PQ 2-3 times to max out the influence, at least the early ones. So not really much sitting in it

[Draegan]

For the first Tier I'm going to quest until the first PQ then sit in the PQ until my influence maxes out

Takes doing the PQ 2-3 times to max out the influence, at least the early ones. So not really much sitting in it

It is if you're doing scenarios every 8 minutes or so.  I did it in the first PW and I took me a while to fill up my influence.  Though it depends on how fast your queue's are hitting.

Edit:
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[tmp]

Ahh; yeah if you take the breaks in the middle of it then can see it. I'd do the PQ couple times without interrupt (so that i'd actually have some chance to get that loot bag) and then did the scenario queue doing the regular solo quests.

[Mrbloodworth]

I just have to say, the past 2 nights i have played, on the server i am on, PQ are dead (the dual sided ones, or ones off the batten path), scenarios take forever to cue up, and the RvR zones are vacant in tier one.

Foreshadowing?

[Arrrgh]

Instead of impeding doom it might be that people aren't bothering to play characters that are going to get wiped tomorrow.

And did you try all 3 Qs? Empire vs Chaos is by far the fastest on Chrace. I've zone hopped to Q all three at once and EvC always pops first.

[Nebu]

I just have to say, the past 2 nights i have played, on the server i am on, PQ are dead (the dual sided ones, or ones off the batten path), scenarios take forever to cue up, and the RvR zones are vacant in tier one.

Foreshadowing?

PQ's get old.  They're better than all the runaround quests, but still only really done for the rewards.  Open RvR in the first tier is all about getting people to overextend, so it's not very exciting either.  I think you'll see people rushing to the endgame in WAR with few lingering in the lower tiers.  The stickiness is all going to hinge on the delivery of the late game PvP.   Since this is really learned MMO behavior, I'm not really saying anything you all don't already know.  

[Mrbloodworth]

Instead of impeding doom it might be that people aren't bothering to play characters that are going to get wiped tomorrow.

And did you try all 3 Qs? Empire vs Chaos is by far the fastest on Chrace. I've zone hopped to Q all three at once and EvC always pops first.

Yes.

[cevik]

PQ's get old.  They're better than all the runaround quests, but still only really done for the rewards.  Open RvR in the first tier is all about getting people to overextend, so it's not very exciting either.  I think you'll see people rushing to the endgame in WAR with few lingering in the lower tiers.  The stickiness is all going to hinge on the delivery of the late game PvP.   Since this is really learned MMO behavior, I'm not really saying anything you all don't already know.  

Does it frighten anyone else that the late game is still under NDA?

I know, I know.. I'm just a hater.

[Nebu]

Does it frighten anyone else that the late game is still under NDA?

I know, I know.. I'm just a hater.

I don't think it makes you a hater at all.  Looking at past history, the biggest knock against the release of DAoC was the lack of content at the endgame.  That alone would give any experienced gamer cause for at least a little hesitancy. 

[kildorn]

Please, the DAOC endgame was complete, balanced, and fun! And the dragons later were a well tuned challenge that made everyone happy. And if you couldn't kill it you just sucked, FORDEL.

[slog]

PQ's get old.  They're better than all the runaround quests, but still only really done for the rewards.  Open RvR in the first tier is all about getting people to overextend, so it's not very exciting either.  I think you'll see people rushing to the endgame in WAR with few lingering in the lower tiers.  The stickiness is all going to hinge on the delivery of the late game PvP.   Since this is really learned MMO behavior, I'm not really saying anything you all don't already know.  

Does it frighten anyone else that the late game is still under NDA?

I know, I know.. I'm just a hater.

It's the main reason I'm not buying.  I don't like the newbie game (obviously) and the end game is under NDA the DAY BEFORE RELEASE.

According to the Mark Jacobs scale, that means trouble.   


Note: This doesn't mean I'm not buying the game EVAH!!.  I'm just going to wait a month or 2 and see how things play out.

[Merusk]

Wait, what? The endgame is still under NDA? I need to re-read that 'we dropped it' statement.

I'll go so far as to say it was all tested, and what I saw was the same as the first 2 tiers.. just different/ more abilities to play with and some classs balances shifted.  If you don't like the first 20 levels, don't even think of buying.  The game doesn't get any different.

[Fraeg]

Yeah I hate that one. It's like being dumped into a box only just big enough to fit us all in. It especially sucks as a runepriest. I go straight to the human lands when I want to do scenarios now.

Barracks, Fortress, Lighthouse ftw!

You can completely win this map without even taking the barracks or lighthouse, but by simply just holding the Fort.  Unless they up the amount of points you get for the barracks and lighthouse.

they tweaked it.  It used to be that simply holding on to the fort was an auto win.  Now the point accumulation is effected more heavily by the numbers of people your side is killing.  If you just hold up in the fort while the other team has lighthouse and barracks, and picks your people off as they run up to fort you will lose.

[kildorn]

Wait, what? The endgame is still under NDA? I need to re-read that 'we dropped it' statement.

I'll go so far as to say it was all tested, and what I saw was the same as the first 2 tiers.. just different/ more abilities to play with and some classs balances shifted.  If you don't like the first 20 levels, don't even think of buying.  The game doesn't get any different.

They dropped it except for content only seen on the elder servers (the NDA'd from the rest of the beta crew)

The only people who have seen city raids and the overall realm war mechanism in action are in that category. I will happily forum spam when they lift that. A month after release or something. 

[cevik]

I'll go so far as to say it was all tested, and what I saw was the same as the first 2 tiers.. just different/ more abilities to play with and some classs balances shifted.  If you don't like the first 20 levels, don't even think of buying.  The game doesn't get any different.

May be.  But nothing quite screams "We have something to hide!" like, well, hiding stuff does.

[amiable]

I'll go so far as to say it was all tested, and what I saw was the same as the first 2 tiers.. just different/ more abilities to play with and some classs balances shifted.  If you don't like the first 20 levels, don't even think of buying.  The game doesn't get any different.

May be.  But nothing quite screams "We have something to hide!" like, well, hiding stuff does.

While I have enjoyed the game thus far, and been optimistic, this weeks shenanigans have moved me more toward the "fail" column.  Between the European Beta issues and annoying bugs they assured us would be fixed but are still omnipresent, the general feeling I get is "this is rushed."  Folks like me who enjoy the gameplay will join, but I can't imagine it appealing to the broader community in its current state.

[Ingmar]

I'm with you on bugs but the Euro Beta issue is a classic contractor failure. I would think that GOA is likely in extremely hot water right now and can't afford much in the way of mistakes if they want any more future business from Mythic.

[cevik]

I'm with you on bugs but the Euro Beta issue is a classic contractor failure. I would think that GOA is likely in extremely hot water right now and can't afford much in the way of mistakes if they want any more future business from Mythic.

Didn't Mythic use GOA for DAoC and have similar results?

[Ingmar]

I can't think of any single events that were meltdowns on this scale - there was a fairly constant level of complaining from the Euros about this and that but I don't think it was more than the usual level of complaint that customers have about any given MMO service provider. I don't have direct experience with them though.

[Merusk]

I'm with you on bugs but the Euro Beta issue is a classic contractor failure. I would think that GOA is likely in extremely hot water right now and can't afford much in the way of mistakes if they want any more future business from Mythic.

Didn't Mythic use GOA for DAoC and have similar results?

Yes.  However, the deal was signed with GOA before EA bought up Mythic.  I'd be surprised if daddy EA allows such a thing to happen again.  If Mythic beats History and lasts long enough to do another project, that is.

[Merusk]

I'll go so far as to say it was all tested, and what I saw was the same as the first 2 tiers.. just different/ more abilities to play with and some classs balances shifted.  If you don't like the first 20 levels, don't even think of buying.  The game doesn't get any different.

May be.  But nothing quite screams "We have something to hide!" like, well, hiding stuff does.

Ah, you're worried about game breaking bugs and stuff.  That I can't speak on, as I didn't do enough of the City vs City stuff to break the NDA on anyway.  The game had gotten stale for me by then as it's incredibly shallow.

[cevik]

I can't think of any single events that were meltdowns on this scale - there was a fairly constant level of complaining from the Euros about this and that but I don't think it was more than the usual level of complaint that customers have about any given MMO service provider. I don't have direct experience with them though.

All I remember is that when I hear GOA I think "isn't that that company that all the euros bitched and moaned about in DAoC?"

Which is really kinda sad, because I should probably think of India.  Or trance music.

[cevik]

I'll go so far as to say it was all tested, and what I saw was the same as the first 2 tiers.. just different/ more abilities to play with and some classs balances shifted.  If you don't like the first 20 levels, don't even think of buying.  The game doesn't get any different.

May be.  But nothing quite screams "We have something to hide!" like, well, hiding stuff does.

Ah, you're worried about game breaking bugs and stuff.  That I can't speak on, as I didn't do enough of the City vs City stuff to break the NDA on anyway.  The game had gotten stale for me by then as it's incredibly shallow.

No, I'm thinking that despite all the praise of Mythic's beta process, very few people have been handed the game at level 1 and told "okay, go for it, play the full thing from 1 to 40 and see if it's fun".  And of those people, Mythic has decided for some reason to gag them.

[Merusk]

No reason to worry about it.  Like I said, I did it and if you like 1-20, 20-40 is more of the same.  It just takes longer.  I can't say HOW much longer for certain, but I don't think it's horrible.

Whether or not it's fun is subjective.  I find the PvE really, really boring.  We're talking DAoC levels of boring.  However, since you can PVP frequently to break that up AND level doing it, perhaps it's not so bad.  I preferred to play WoW to repetitively grind dailies and battleground over the WAR beta if I wanted to get my MMO on.  Others think I'm crazy for doing so.

[Miasma]

Why must they piss me off at the beginning of every play session by making scroll down, click a box, then click a button?  Twice.  I hated that in DAoC and I'm not happy it's here too.

[Sjofn]

Why must they piss me off at the beginning of every play session by making scroll down, click a box, then click a button?  Twice.  I hated that in DAoC and I'm not happy it's here too.

Woo, it's not just me that hates that!

[Phred]

Is it me or did they up the levelling requirements bigtime? my chosen feels like he's been 10 a looong time now and the quests already dried up in the level 11-12 area.

The xp from mob grinding and all pvp xp was fairly heavily nerfed, the xp from quests was increased slightly.

Uggh. Sounds like they are aiming at their loyalist supporters. My friend has been in beta for almost a year an loved levellining off pvp. If they nerf that he's gonna freak cause he's already burned out on the pve quests and refuses to do them.

This is so feeling like Daoc2. At least then they didnt nerf exp gain until they'd sold a lot of boxes. I guess they have more confidence in predicting people will stay around this time.

Oh ya, my friend also mentioned in passing you can get repeatable quests that you can do in the open pvp areas as well. Probably a bit difficult to complete most of them even with the auto leveling to 8 though.