Does this game get better as you level?

[Fraeg]

Did anyone seriously believe for one second respeccing would be free?

hey allow me my naive illusions

[zubey]

They definitely need to bolster people to the highest level of the tier...the loot advantage (and having more spells/tactics/whatever) is easily enough for the higher level players.  Also, consider putting a ton of awesome PQs in the lower part of the tier with nice to loot to help out the lower levels.  It's still never going to be good.  Joining a scenario before level 7 definitely ain't fun, and I can imagine it's just as bad at level 12 against level 20s.

I brought up this issue today on the warhammer alliance boards.  Seemingly most people are against it.  I think I got L2Ped a few times too.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81607

I think some people just really like the playstyle of "You get pwned until you're max level.  Then, YOU get to do the pwning."  I don't, though.

[Draegan]

I don't know, just keep playing and leveling a long the way and then you get to be the badass for a while.  It's not like you can camp and twink in a tier range for long since you level out of it eventually.

I don't understand the crying.  Everyone hits the level cap eventually.

[Ingmar]

The "crying" is because the PVP could be even better with more robust bolstering, that's why.

[zubey]

I don't know, just keep playing and leveling a long the way and then you get to be the badass for a while.  It's not like you can camp and twink in a tier range for long since you level out of it eventually.

I don't understand the crying.  Everyone hits the level cap eventually.

That's true, but I think its bad for the game.  I think many new players' first impression of scenarios will be very unpleasant.  First impressions mean so much in a new MMO.  Heck, Age of Conan would have fallen flat on its face at launch if it weren't for how compelling newbie island was.

[slog]

I don't know, just keep playing and leveling a long the way and then you get to be the badass for a while.  It's not like you can camp and twink in a tier range for long since you level out of it eventually.

I don't understand the crying.  Everyone hits the level cap eventually.

That's true, but I think its bad for the game.  I think many new players' first impression of scenarios will be very unpleasant.  First impressions mean so much in a new MMO.  Heck, Age of Conan would have fallen flat on its face at launch if it weren't for how compelling newbie island was.

or, why should I play Mythic's copy of the WoW battlegroup and get stomped on as a newb when I can play the World of Warcraft version with my maxed out character? 

[tazelbain]

I disagree strongly that there is no fun in going to scenarios under level 10.  I would suggest most should wait to level 3 unless you are a vet. But that takes like 20mins.  You are going to have learn to play against stiff opposition sooner or later.  Learn to take your beatings like a dwarf.  That said I would wholly agree that the scaling should do more in T1 so it isn't quite the uphill battle it is now. It's fine in T2.

[schild]

I've found that questing until the first warcamp, hitting level 7 and then going to RvR is the way I'm gonna go at live.

[Ingmar]

Its worth getting rank 2 before you do that I think schild, just so you have the option to grab the very first set of renown gear.

[Evildrider]

I've found that questing until the first warcamp, hitting level 7 and then going to RvR is the way I'm gonna go at live.

This is pretty much what I do.. RvR and then do Scenarios.  Keep retaking the Kill 10 in RvR quests that gives like 1000 xp a pop and like 6.5 silver.

[schild]

Its worth getting rank 2 before you do that I think schild, just so you have the option to grab the very first set of renown gear.

Quest gear and the opportunity to get low level blues, greens and purples are worth more than the reknown gear.

[Ingmar]

Yeah but it takes all of like 5 minutes to get rank 2, I find that I almost always have a gap or two that it can fill.

[Threash]

I did just fine joining scenarios as level 1 fresh of character creation.  You wont be able to solo anyone but if you follow the crowd theres no reason you can't contribute meaningfully.  You'll also be about lvl 3 after one scenario.

[Nebu]

or, why should I play Mythic's copy of the WoW battlegroup and get stomped on as a newb when I can play the World of Warcraft version with my maxed out character? 

If you enjoy WoW, play WoW.  Those of us that found WoW pvp unfun and unbalanced, may find WAR a better fit.  More options mean that we all win. 

[Nebu]

I've found that questing until the first warcamp, hitting level 7 and then going to RvR is the way I'm gonna go at live.

PQ's to level 8, then PvP scenarios.  If I'm sick of PQ's, I'll open RvR while I wait for my PvP scenario queue.

Anyone else hate the greenskin pvp scenario as much as I do?  (The one with the flags on 2 levels of a brokwn fortress).

[Mrbloodworth]

I've found that questing until the first warcamp, hitting level 7 and then going to RvR is the way I'm gonna go at live.

PQ's to level 8, then PvP scenarios.  If I'm sick of PQ's, I'll open RvR while I wait for my PvP scenario queue.

Anyone else hate the greenskin pvp scenario as much as I do?  (The one with the flags on 2 levels of a brokwn fortress).

You talking about "The gate"?

[Tarami]

or, why should I play Mythic's copy of the WoW battlegroup and get stomped on as a newb when I can play the World of Warcraft version with my maxed out character?  

If you enjoy WoW, play WoW.  Those of us that found WoW pvp unfun and unbalanced, may find WAR a better fit.  More options mean that we all win.  

I think he meant that it would be the thinking of WoW PvPers arriving in WAR - why play something that's similar to what you already like, but get owned instead. Which I can't answer, because I've not played WAR yet. Or PvP'ed in WoW. So.

[kildorn]

Yeah but it takes all of like 5 minutes to get rank 2, I find that I almost always have a gap or two that it can fill.

I hit RR 2.5 doing the cannon pve quest in empire.

Ah, I love that the game bugs out randomly and gives you reknown in pve.

[Ingmar]

Yeah but it takes all of like 5 minutes to get rank 2, I find that I almost always have a gap or two that it can fill.

I hit RR 2.5 doing the cannon pve quest in empire.

Ah, I love that the game bugs out randomly and gives you reknown in pve.

I've noticed it occasionally giving me a bit of renown (no k, people) when healing in PVE if I'm flagged.

[Abelian75]

You sure you didn't just get renown because your realm conquered the zone?  Cuz that happens.

[cevik]

You sure you didn't just get renown because your realm conquered the zone?  Cuz that happens.

This.

If you realm conquers the zone you get a significant amount of Renown no matter what you are doing.  My first character, at level 2ish (maybe 3) went from 0 RR to 2.5 RR because the zone was conquered.

My second character (a squig herder) never had the zone captured, and thus was at 0 RR when I started attempting to pvp with it (around level 10ish).

[veredus]

I did just fine joining scenarios as level 1 fresh of character creation.  You wont be able to solo anyone but if you follow the crowd theres no reason you can't contribute meaningfully.  You'll also be about lvl 3 after one scenario.

I started doing scenarios at level 4. I did just fine as long as stayed with a group. Also most times been in scenarios there seems to be a few 11's then a good mix of other levels. But on that note I couldn't do squat against the 11's if there was a healer with em so just switched targets or ran away when saw em coming.

[Ingmar]

I'm sure about my thing. It was the normal trickle of 1-2 RPs that you get from healing, not the YOU WIN +200 thing. Kildy's, yeah, that was probably it. He's not the most observant guy anyway.  

[Evildrider]

Yeah but it takes all of like 5 minutes to get rank 2, I find that I almost always have a gap or two that it can fill.

I hit RR 2.5 doing the cannon pve quest in empire.

Ah, I love that the game bugs out randomly and gives you reknown in pve.

I've noticed it occasionally giving me a bit of renown (no k, people) when healing in PVE if I'm flagged.

Could you have been healing someone that engaged in PvP with the enemy?  I was doing a PQ the other night and some Destruction guys would come in when people were distracted and get them to attack them or go for RvR flagged people.

[Ingmar]

My recollection is that it happened when I was flagged, not my target. I think it was a random little glitch, most of the time, it doesn't happen.

[Nebu]

or, why should I play Mythic's copy of the WoW battlegroup and get stomped on as a newb when I can play the World of Warcraft version with my maxed out character?  

If you enjoy WoW, play WoW.  Those of us that found WoW pvp unfun and unbalanced, may find WAR a better fit.  More options mean that we all win.  

I think he meant that it would be the thinking of WoW PvPers arriving in WAR - why play something that's similar to what you already like, but get owned instead. Which I can't answer, because I've not played WAR yet. Or PvP'ed in WoW. So.

If that's the case, I think the statement is still valid.  People that enjoy WoW should play WoW.  I think WAR's target audience will be people that aren't enjoying WoW anymore or in my case, never really enjoyed the focus of WoW pvp at all.  I apologize to slog if my comment slighted him in any way.  It wasn't my intention. 

[Slyfeind]

What about going PvP-lite? I mean, I want to participate in RvR, but I don't want to roll up my sleeves and get psyched up for a ROCKIN NIGHT OF ASS WHUPPING WAAAAURGH!!! If I could contribute economically, that would be more my speed. But could I, say, make a character that just kinda hangs out in a keep and heals people or buffs them?

[Calantus]

I've found that questing until the first warcamp, hitting level 7 and then going to RvR is the way I'm gonna go at live.

PQ's to level 8, then PvP scenarios.  If I'm sick of PQ's, I'll open RvR while I wait for my PvP scenario queue.

Anyone else hate the greenskin pvp scenario as much as I do?  (The one with the flags on 2 levels of a brokwn fortress).

Yeah I hate that one. It's like being dumped into a box only just big enough to fit us all in. It especially sucks as a runepriest. I go straight to the human lands when I want to do scenarios now.

[slog]

or, why should I play Mythic's copy of the WoW battlegroup and get stomped on as a newb when I can play the World of Warcraft version with my maxed out character?  

If you enjoy WoW, play WoW.  Those of us that found WoW pvp unfun and unbalanced, may find WAR a better fit.  More options mean that we all win.  

I think he meant that it would be the thinking of WoW PvPers arriving in WAR - why play something that's similar to what you already like, but get owned instead. Which I can't answer, because I've not played WAR yet. Or PvP'ed in WoW. So.

If that's the case, I think the statement is still valid.  People that enjoy WoW should play WoW.  I think WAR's target audience will be people that aren't enjoying WoW anymore or in my case, never really enjoyed the focus of WoW pvp at all.  I apologize to slog if my comment slighted him in any way.  It wasn't my intention. 

Not insulted.

But that audience you described is me exactly.  I cancelled my WoW sub a few months ago after one too many losses to Warrior/Druid in the 2v2 bracket.

[Nebu]

Yeah I hate that one. It's like being dumped into a box only just big enough to fit us all in. It especially sucks as a runepriest. I go straight to the human lands when I want to do scenarios now.

Barracks, Fortress, Lighthouse ftw!

[Evildrider]

Yeah I hate that one. It's like being dumped into a box only just big enough to fit us all in. It especially sucks as a runepriest. I go straight to the human lands when I want to do scenarios now.

Barracks, Fortress, Lighthouse ftw!

You can completely win this map without even taking the barracks or lighthouse, but by simply just holding the Fort.  Unless they up the amount of points you get for the barracks and lighthouse.

[trias_e]

Yeah I hate that one. It's like being dumped into a box only just big enough to fit us all in. It especially sucks as a runepriest. I go straight to the human lands when I want to do scenarios now.

Heh, that's the one I like.  I hate the one you like...it's alot of running around and doing nothing, then two zergs eventually run into each other.  I find it to be a painfully inferior version of arathi basin.  The gates of ekrund on the other hand is made of tons of action and win.

[Lakov_Sanite]

is every iteration of pvp in this game some form of capture the flag?

[schild]

Uhm, none of them are really Capture the Flag...

Unless you play it differently.

[rattran]

Actually had two huge groups fighting over Mandred's Hold (Troll Country Keep) With about even numbers. Great fun, gained a level and 2 realm ranks in about an hour. Keep guards/Lord have been substantially buffed, making taking keeps a much harder undertaking. Pretty much if it's defended, you're fucked.

Destro made it to the second level once, and got smoked. It was fairly even in skill between the sides, though once there were more than 100 people it became a laggy mess.