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Reply #980 on: July 08, 2009, 08:24:36 AM

The hanging at BIOS suggests that the motherboard is struggling with hardware.

You should be able to disable the BIOS flash screen from within BIOS. Poke about in there and you should find it.

Try booting without the new HD. Try booting with only one memory stick, then the other. If any of those relieve the hang, do it again, at least 2 more times, to be sure you've nailed the offending hardware.

NTLDR reported as missing suggests somethings' amiss with the new hard drive, but it may also be something wrong with RAM. The inability for a system to load stuff into RAM can sometimes manifest itself as 'missing' or 'corrupt' files, when in fact the files are just fine on the hard drive, its their transport to bad RAM that  makes them look missing or corrupt. The system just doesn't know how to tell you that.

Lastly, burn a copy of Ultimate Boot CD and do mem tests and HD tests if any of the above is inconclusive.

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Reply #981 on: July 08, 2009, 10:08:18 AM

Did you install on a new hard drive but leave the old one in?  It's using the old one for the boot record if you didn't physically redorder the bad drives or pull the suspect one.

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #982 on: July 08, 2009, 11:10:40 PM

Oh, btw, thanks to the folks who helped me a while back with Dreamweaver SFTP and ssh config on FreeBSD. Your direction was correct; PAM doesn't work with Dreamweaver 8, and you need to manually tell sshd to do password authentication.

I should get back to nature, too.  You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer.  Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached.  Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe

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Reply #983 on: July 09, 2009, 03:06:06 PM

Question: Co-worker just got a Dell Precision M4400 laptop. Thing has 4gb of RAM in it but is running WinXP SP3 32-bit. The machine only registers 3.45gb, but that it recognized even that much surprised me. I thought the 32bit OSes wouldn't go over 2gb? At least, that's what I thought from a few months back when I tried to put 4gb on my then-mobo with WinXP (was Asus A7N266C now Asus (P5N-T Deluxe).

So, running WinXP 32bit, could I now be running almost 3.5gb?

But your right, the Razer software absolutely blows ass. 

I agree. So I don't use them. I have the Razer keyboard and mouse. I like them both for performance and really don't care at all what the software has. The computer just sees them as a keyboard and mouse, never asked me to install special drivers, and so after wiping the drive, I never bother. They work just as a keyboard and mouse.
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Reply #984 on: July 09, 2009, 04:06:19 PM

The 2 gig limitation is about WinXP SP1 and below and initial installation before patching, which often freaked out if you had more than 2 gig.

After patching to SP2,  you can put in more ram, up to 4 gigs in 32 bit OS.

4 gigl total for 32. 512 or so is reserved for windows OS and devices, plus video card memory is subtracted from the total, hence you only see 3.45. From somewhere else, in nerdish:
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Registers in x86 PCs are limited to 32 bits, which means the biggest number that can be stored in that register is 2^32, or 4,294,967,296; which means that the CPU can access up to "ADDRESS 4,294,967,296" which is the 4th GB of data.

The problem is that the CPU also access I/O devices (printer, USB, keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc.) by assigning them an address as well. So it reserves half a GB or so of the memory addresses to talk to the I/O devices... So you have 4GB - ~0.5GB -> 3.5 GB (on Windows it is 3.2GB).


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Reply #985 on: July 09, 2009, 07:00:05 PM

Ah! Ok so if I ever wipe the drive again, I need to remove the extra sticks, reinstall XP, let it patch to SP3, then reinstall the third and fourth gig. I'll remember that. Thanks Engels.
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Reply #986 on: July 10, 2009, 03:35:43 AM

*sighs*

Thought I had solved my problem but apparenty the loose ram-sticks were not the problem...  swamp poop

Right now my theory is, that something is wron with my power supply. After a little bit of research, I found out that I have a really shitty PSU.

Here is what I know:

Type: LC-B400-Atx

Output: 400 W +12v= 20A (this seems to be important, but I don't know enough to understand why.

Here is what I am running atm.

CPU Typ   DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo E7200, 2533 MHz (9.5 x 267)
Motherboard Name   ASRock 4Core1600Twins-P35  (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, 2 DDR3 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN)
DIMM1: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM3: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM4: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT  (512 MB)
Realtek ALC888/1200 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller [A-2]

Hd1: ExcelStor Technology J8160  (153 GB, IDE)
Hd2: SAMSUNG SP1203N  (120 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)

AVM FRITZ!WLAN USB Stick  (192.168.178.20)
Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer (USB)

Right now I am planning to upgrade to  a stonger PSU, something like 500w output, +12v=40A and 80+ certified if memory serves me right.
And a new Sata HD, so I can run my IDE DVD-Drives again. smiley

Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?


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Reply #987 on: July 10, 2009, 07:50:00 AM

Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
Yes.

What are your RAM timings set at in your BIOS?
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Reply #988 on: July 10, 2009, 07:55:06 AM

Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
Yes.

What are your RAM timings set at in your BIOS?

CPU-Z read this...

Northbridge   Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge   Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
Graphic Interface   PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width   x16
PCI-E Max Link Width   x16
Memory Type   DDR2
Memory Size   4096 MBytes
Memory Frequency   333.4 MHz (4:5)
CAS# Latency (tCL)   5.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD)   5 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP)   5 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS)   15 clocks
Command Rate (CR)   2T

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Reply #989 on: July 10, 2009, 08:08:08 AM

What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z). Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
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Reply #990 on: July 10, 2009, 08:22:57 AM

What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z).
Hm. Will have a look, but where did you get the 667 Mhz from ?

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Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
I was under the impression that both ram pairs were of the same speed. They are not ?

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe



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Reply #991 on: July 10, 2009, 08:32:32 AM

What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z).
Hm. Will have a look, but where did you get the 667 Mhz from ?
For DDR RAM the memory bus speed is half the data rate. So if CPU-Z is reporting 333 MHz and assuming that's accurate then you are running your RAM as DDR(2)-667.

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Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
I was under the impression that both ram pairs were of the same speed. They are not ?
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DIMM1: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM3: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM4: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
The Team Group timings are different than the Kingston ones.
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Reply #992 on: July 10, 2009, 08:33:28 AM

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?
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Reply #993 on: July 10, 2009, 08:37:19 AM

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).
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Reply #994 on: July 10, 2009, 08:40:35 AM

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?


That is Front size bus, right ? Could not find it in the BIOS, Everest reports : actual 327 MHz (DDR) / effective 653 MHz

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Reply #995 on: July 10, 2009, 08:42:15 AM

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).

Will try that.

just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem

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Reply #996 on: July 10, 2009, 08:51:57 AM

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?
That is Front size bus, right ? Could not find it in the BIOS, Everest reports : actual 327 MHz (DDR) / effective 653 MHz
Front Side Bus. You need a new motherboard -- your MB requires the use of jumpers for certain FSB/memory bus speed combinations swamp poop

Turn off Speedstep in your BIOS and then check your FSB speed in CPU-Z. What is it reporting?

just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
Take out your RAM and verify that the part numbers are in fact what you ordered.
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Reply #997 on: July 10, 2009, 08:52:21 AM

Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).
Would that be the following settings ?

DRAM CAS# Latency
         RAS to CAS
         Precharge
         Activate to Precharge

All are set to [auto] atm.

"Active to Precharge" has no "18" setting, maximum is 15.

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Reply #998 on: July 10, 2009, 08:57:51 AM

Would that be the following settings ?

DRAM CAS# Latency
         RAS to CAS
         Precharge
         Activate to Precharge

All are set to [auto] atm.

"Active to Precharge" has no "18" setting, maximum is 15.
They are in the same order they are spec'd on the RAM. I.e. 5, 5, 5, 15 or 18. If you can't set Activate to Precharge to 18 then take out your Kingston RAM and see if you still have the reset problem.
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Reply #999 on: July 10, 2009, 09:06:02 AM

just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.
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Reply #1000 on: July 10, 2009, 09:13:11 AM

Oh, btw, thanks to the folks who helped me a while back with Dreamweaver SFTP and ssh config on FreeBSD. Your direction was correct; PAM doesn't work with Dreamweaver 8, and you need to manually tell sshd to do password authentication.

I am very happy that, for once, I was able to help out with something that I know about rather than making educated guesses.

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Reply #1001 on: July 10, 2009, 01:32:49 PM

just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.

Great. Jumpers are BELOW the fan of the graphic card.

Set as follows

[X][X][][][]FSB2
[X][X][][][]FSB3
[X][X][]FSB1

Which should be the default setting. *shrugs*

I tried setting the FSB to the correct size for my CPU. Did not work, windows did not even start up. Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.

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Reply #1002 on: July 10, 2009, 02:32:29 PM

How I miss jumpers.
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Reply #1003 on: July 10, 2009, 03:27:30 PM

How I miss jumpers.
Wan't to trade motherboards ?   awesome, for real

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Reply #1004 on: July 10, 2009, 04:54:19 PM

You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.
Great. Jumpers are BELOW the fan of the graphic card.

Set as follows

[X][X][][][]FSB2
[X][X][][][]FSB3
[X][X][]FSB1

Which should be the default setting. *shrugs*

I tried setting the FSB to the correct size for my CPU. Did not work, windows did not even start up.
Facepalm

Is your BIOS up-to-date? I wonder if there is something obvious we are missing here. It's hard to believe a P35 motherboard is doing such a bad job of auto-detecting the hardware installed.

Did you turn off Speedstep in the BIOS and check the auto-detect CPU settings in CPU-Z (FSB, multiplier, etc.)?

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Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
Okay that's different than the 333 MHz CPU-Z was reporting earlier. Is CPU-Z now showing 533 as well? That would imply you are trying to run your RAM as DDR2-1066, which makes sense since that's what your CPU's FSB should be set (but you still haven't said if that's what it's running at).

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Reply #1005 on: July 10, 2009, 06:02:08 PM

Thanks for all your help, man.


Facepalm

Is your BIOS up-to-date? I wonder if there is something obvious we are missing here. It's hard to believe a P35 motherboard is doing such a bad job of auto-detecting the hardware installed.

Did you turn off Speedstep in the BIOS and check the auto-detect CPU settings in CPU-Z (FSB, multiplier, etc.)?

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Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
Okay that's different than the 333 MHz CPU-Z was reporting earlier. Is CPU-Z now showing 533 as well? That would imply you are trying to run your RAM as DDR2-1066, which makes sense since that's what your CPU's FSB should be set (but you still haven't said if that's what it's running at).
I might not have been clear, when I changed the jumpers, windows would not load, at all. So I did set them back to default.

I will look for a Bios Update.

I ripped out the OEM RAM and now have only 2 Gbyte Samsung Ram installed (my father had some lying around). I was able to adjust the BIOS settings for those RAM sticks but I had to lower them to 333 Mhz 5-5-5-15 instead of 400 Mhz (auto).

Speedstep is off.

This is my CPU-Z Dump:


Processors Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores      2 (max 2)
Number of threads   2 (max 2)
Name         Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Codename      Wolfdale
Specification      Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7200  @ 2.53GHz
Package         Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
CPUID         6.7.6
Extended CPUID      6.17
Core Stepping      M0
Technology      45 nm
Core Speed      2482.5 MHz (9.5 x 261.3 MHz)
Rated Bus speed      1045.3 MHz
Stock frequency      2533 MHz
Instructions sets   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache      2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache   2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache      3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control      yes
FID range      6.0x - 9.5x
max VID         1.163 V
Features      

Chipset
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge      Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge      Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
Graphic Interface   PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width   x16
PCI-E Max Link Width   x16
Memory Type      DDR2
Memory Size      2048 MBytes
Channels      Dual (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency   326.6 MHz (4:5)
CAS#         5.0
RAS# to CAS#      5
RAS# Precharge      5
Cycle Time (tRAS)   15
Command Rate      2T

Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      647E65B8
Manufacturing date   Week 48/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz)      266   333   400   
CAS#         4.0   5.0   6.0   
RAS# to CAS# delay   4   5   6   
RAS# Precharge      4   5   6   
TRAS         12   15   18   
TRC         16   20   24   

DIMM #2

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      8165657D
Manufacturing date   Week 45/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Winbond W83627DHG hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0   1.14 Volts [0x8E] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 1   12.43 Volts [0xDF] (+12V)
Voltage sensor 2   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (AVCC)
Voltage sensor 3   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (+3.3V)
Voltage sensor 4   1.24 Volts [0x9B] (VIN1)
Voltage sensor 5   5.16 Volts [0xD7] (+5V)
Voltage sensor 6   1.66 Volts [0xD0] (VIN3)
Temperature sensor 0   35°C (94°F) [0x23] (SYSTIN)
Temperature sensor 1   34°C (93°F) [0x44] (CPUTIN)
Temperature sensor 2   15°C (58°F) [0x1E] (AUXTIN)
Fan sensor 1      2344 RPM [0x48] (CPUFANIN0)

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Reply #1006 on: July 10, 2009, 06:31:43 PM

Ok, Bios is up to date now.

Stability seems to be getting worse over time. Right now I can't even play Blood Bowl or TF2 for more than a few minutes at best.


Lots of reading on the internet seems to indicate that I have one of the worst PCUs installed that is/was avaible on the market, I think I posted the specs a bit earlier.

Shitty BIOS settings aside, how likely is this PSU related ?

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Reply #1007 on: July 10, 2009, 08:44:15 PM

I might not have been clear, when I changed the jumpers, windows would not load, at all. So I did set them back to default.
Yes your jumpers should be on the default positions (1_2).

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I will look for a Bios Update.

I ripped out the OEM RAM and now have only 2 Gbyte Samsung Ram installed (my father had some lying around). I was able to adjust the BIOS settings for those RAM sticks but I had to lower them to 333 Mhz 5-5-5-15 instead of 400 Mhz (auto).

Speedstep is off.

This is my CPU-Z Dump:


Processors Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores      2 (max 2)
Number of threads   2 (max 2)
Name         Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Codename      Wolfdale
Specification      Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7200  @ 2.53GHz
Package         Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
CPUID         6.7.6
Extended CPUID      6.17
Core Stepping      M0
Technology      45 nm
Core Speed      2482.5 MHz (9.5 x 261.3 MHz)
Rated Bus speed      1045.3 MHz
Stock frequency      2533 MHz
Instructions sets   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache      2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache   2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache      3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control      yes
FID range      6.0x - 9.5x
max VID         1.163 V
Features      

Chipset
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Northbridge      Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge      Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
Graphic Interface   PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width   x16
PCI-E Max Link Width   x16
Memory Type      DDR2
Memory Size      2048 MBytes
Channels      Dual (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency   326.6 MHz (4:5)
CAS#         5.0
RAS# to CAS#      5
RAS# Precharge      5
Cycle Time (tRAS)   15
Command Rate      2T

Memory SPD
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DIMM #1

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      647E65B8
Manufacturing date   Week 48/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz)      266   333   400   
CAS#         4.0   5.0   6.0   
RAS# to CAS# delay   4   5   6   
RAS# Precharge      4   5   6   
TRAS         12   15   18   
TRC         16   20   24   

DIMM #2

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      8165657D
Manufacturing date   Week 45/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Winbond W83627DHG hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0   1.14 Volts [0x8E] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 1   12.43 Volts [0xDF] (+12V)
Voltage sensor 2   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (AVCC)
Voltage sensor 3   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (+3.3V)
Voltage sensor 4   1.24 Volts [0x9B] (VIN1)
Voltage sensor 5   5.16 Volts [0xD7] (+5V)
Voltage sensor 6   1.66 Volts [0xD0] (VIN3)
Temperature sensor 0   35°C (94°F) [0x23] (SYSTIN)
Temperature sensor 1   34°C (93°F) [0x44] (CPUTIN)
Temperature sensor 2   15°C (58°F) [0x1E] (AUXTIN)
Fan sensor 1      2344 RPM [0x48] (CPUFANIN0)
Okay I think I see what's going on here with your RAM. You would have to put in your original RAM and run the above again to confirm but I think what's happening is your MB only supports a limited range of memory timings and it's dropping the RAM frequency down because it can't support the timings of your RAM at 400 MHz (DDR2-800). If you look at the Samsung data above you can see CPU-Z is reporting 400 MHz as 6-6-6-18 and you said earlier you can't set TRAS above 15. So your Kingston RAM is probably causing the same problem as its TRAS is 18 as well which is forcing the MB to drop the RAM frequency down to 333 MHz.

At least your CPU FSB is correct at 1067 MHz (or thereabouts).

Ok, Bios is up to date now.

Stability seems to be getting worse over time. Right now I can't even play Blood Bowl or TF2 for more than a few minutes at best.


Lots of reading on the internet seems to indicate that I have one of the worst PCUs installed that is/was avaible on the market, I think I posted the specs a bit earlier.

Shitty BIOS settings aside, how likely is this PSU related ?
There's a good chance it's your PSU. I'm still suspicious of your MB, though. Power supplies tend to shut themselves off when things go bad rather than "power cycling" (i.e. rebooting themselves). MBs, though, could definitely "spontaneously" reboot the system if they are going crazy. On the other hand it's possible a voltage drop on one of the lines or other power fluctuation is actually what's triggering the MB to reboot the system. If it was me and I had the money I would replace both components.
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Reply #1008 on: July 10, 2009, 11:11:25 PM

There's a good chance it's your PSU. I'm still suspicious of your MB, though. Power supplies tend to shut themselves off when things go bad rather than "power cycling" (i.e. rebooting themselves). MBs, though, could definitely "spontaneously" reboot the system if they are going crazy. On the other hand it's possible a voltage drop on one of the lines or other power fluctuation is actually what's triggering the MB to reboot the system. If it was me and I had the money I would replace both components.
If it's a crappy power supply, and running just at its capabilities, I don't think power cycling would be all that unusual.  They PSU may not even really shut off, the motherboard just loses enough power that it resets itself.

There's also the possibility that cycling like that has damaged the motherboard which is compounding the problem.

Hahahaha!  I'm really good at this!
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Reply #1009 on: July 11, 2009, 05:29:20 AM

Ok, so I will most likely replace both components, but not at the same time.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?

And a decent manufacturer of RAM ? I read Samsung is not bad. vOv

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Reply #1010 on: July 11, 2009, 05:47:43 AM

Corsair, Kingston, Cruicial.

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Reply #1011 on: July 11, 2009, 06:08:51 AM

Hm. Right now I can't even run a complete scan on Kaperski AV without rebooting the system  awesome, for real

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Reply #1012 on: July 11, 2009, 06:15:40 AM

Ok, so I will most likely replace both components, but not at the same time.  DRILLING AND MANLINESS

Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?
What's your budget?

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And a decent manufacturer of RAM ? I read Samsung is not bad. vOv
Samsung is the largest DRAM chip maker so their stuff is obviously used by many of the name brands. Haven't actually used Samsung's own branded DIMMs before though. Corsair is my first choice for RAM.
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Reply #1013 on: July 11, 2009, 07:48:03 AM

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Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?
What's your budget?
Not more than 100€, less if possible. Right now I am thinking about an "ATX be quiet! Straight 450W" for 60€.

Also that is per piece of equipment, obviously  awesome, for real

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Reply #1014 on: July 11, 2009, 11:21:57 AM

This guy any good? I'm not sure about that video card, I assume it could be replaced or disabled. Its currently at sams club for 1200$.

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