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Title: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 07:57:49 AM
Here. A thread for quick questions. Idea stolen from another board.

Great for things like: What graphics card should I buy right this moment? or Why r my power supply turning sparkly colors?

Anyway, my question:

Photoshop seems to not let me type in lower case anymore, anyone else ever run into this problem?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miasma on August 20, 2008, 08:27:36 AM
That's an odd one.  Some font sets don't have lower case, AoC installed the Hyborian font on my computer and it is all upper.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 08:30:28 AM
Times New Roman, Arial, etc - only upper case.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on August 20, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
You'd think that with all your decades of PC experience that you'd be able to troubleshoot a simple CAPS LOCK problem  :uhrr:

I could soooo work in tech support.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 09:00:48 AM
OH MAN CAPS LOCK WAS ON.

No.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miasma on August 20, 2008, 09:35:22 AM
I guess there are options in the paragraph and character palette pop ups that force all caps, one of the little icons.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on August 20, 2008, 10:18:57 AM
not super familiar with photoshop but in CS3 if you go to the text properties section there is a setting for all caps, sounds like you have that on. pic inc.

(http://www.devotia.com/img/pscaps.jpg)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on August 20, 2008, 10:26:58 AM
also shouldn't this be a board instead of a thread... Call it EBKC Troubleshooting or something

edit: and my question:

Is there a desktop FTP widget (or even a folder on my desktop) that will automagically upload files I drag and drop into it to a prespecified folder on my ftp server? 

Even better is there something like the above that provides immediate feedback in the form of a url for the most recently dropped file (for example just copying and pasting to a forum)?

It's annoying to fire up filezilla, connecting to my site, navigating to the img folder and dropping an image in. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 20, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
There's tons of drag-drop FTP programs. There was one I used for awhile a few years ago, but I don't remember the name anymore. Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=ftp+drag+drop).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on August 20, 2008, 11:43:19 AM
There's tons of drag-drop FTP programs. There was one I used for awhile a few years ago, but I don't remember the name anymore. Google (http://www.google.com/search?q=ftp+drag+drop).

sweet, before I hand over my FTP login information to randominternetprogram01 anyone have a recommendation that they have used? 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 03:58:27 PM
I use Fire FTP now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 20, 2008, 04:05:12 PM
sweet, before I hand over my FTP login information to randominternetprogram01 anyone have a recommendation that they have used? 

Chicken. I hope anything sensitive on an FTP server is behind your firewall anyways.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on August 20, 2008, 05:12:58 PM
sweet, before I hand over my FTP login information to randominternetprogram01 anyone have a recommendation that they have used? 

Chicken. I hope anything sensitive on an FTP server is behind your firewall anyways.  :awesome_for_real:

You mean my $15 a month web server that I have no real control over? 

Not quite sure how much good the firewall would be against someone having your username and password and using that info to illegitimately create legitimate traffic...  I suppose IP restriction on FTP requests but that isn't a very good solution for roaming and/or masked IP's.

There isn't anything critical on that server but it might be slightly embarrassing if it was hacked and loaded with malicious content.

Fire FTP looks okay but i'm not really looking to replace Filezilla, ftpdropper (http://www.stilleye.com/ftpdropper/) looks about like what I wanted.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 20, 2008, 05:41:42 PM
Yah there's not much you can do about that. You get what you pay for.

FTP is notorious for being easily hacked/cracked, even without the help of suspect FTP programs. Most organizations (such as the one I work for) do not allow FTP outside of the internal network, blocking all external traffic on the common FTP ports. Heck, I think everything is blocked except for the VPN connection.

Here's my question:

What's a good app to use to configure dual monitors in Windows Vista? Such as having your taskbar in both windows?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on August 20, 2008, 05:42:32 PM
Ultramon.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 20, 2008, 05:43:34 PM
Ah ha! I knew one of you knew the one I knew I was looking for.....         Knew.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on August 20, 2008, 06:04:05 PM
While on the subject of dual monitors, can anyone confirm that vista sp1 remote desktop supports viewing both of them?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 06, 2008, 02:01:23 PM
So what graphics card should I buy right this moment? I'll be replacing an NVIDIA 8600. Want to spend $300-$400.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on September 06, 2008, 02:01:45 PM
4870


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 06, 2008, 02:07:17 PM
Yeah, but there are so many. :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on September 06, 2008, 02:08:55 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814129113


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 06, 2008, 05:52:16 PM
Sweet, thanks Schild.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 07, 2008, 11:38:49 AM
Kinda a tech question, but does anyone here have inside info on when Newegg plans to open in Canada? Their "teaser" site went up a month ago.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 07, 2008, 12:56:22 PM
No, but I've been using 1click2computers.com, and have had only good experiences so far. Not as polished as newegg, but fast service and good prices. Based out of Mississauga.

There's also directdail.com in Canada. I've heard good things about them, but I haven't used them myself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 07, 2008, 01:33:53 PM
Thanks! I'm right next to Mississauga, so that works out better.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 15, 2008, 04:17:24 PM
pc800 Ram, i hope for at least a gig (2 x 512)


Cheap? Suggestions on where to buy? Snarky comments?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on September 15, 2008, 04:29:54 PM
http://www.pricewatch.com/system_memory/pc800_512mb.htm (http://www.pricewatch.com/system_memory/pc800_512mb.htm)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on September 15, 2008, 06:06:00 PM
pc800 Ram, i hope for at least a gig (2 x 512)

Cheap? Suggestions on where to buy? Snarky comments?

Ditch the rambus based board and buy something not so OLD?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lt.Dan on September 15, 2008, 10:04:44 PM
pc800 Ram, i hope for at least a gig (2 x 512)


Cheap? Suggestions on where to buy? Snarky comments?

If you live in Australia I've got some 256 sticks you can have.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lt.Dan on September 15, 2008, 10:06:49 PM
I'm looking at buying a wireless keyboard and mouse to use with HTPC.  Ideally I'd like both to have cradles for recharging and a keyboard without the numeric key pad.  Small and dainty would be nice but I ain't paying double to get it.  Budget (since Trippy always wants to know) would be ~$US100 but 20 bucks over wouldn't kill me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 15, 2008, 10:13:46 PM
the wireless keyboard and mouse I have by Logitech doesn't hog batteries very badly. Have to replace them every two months or so. Its not worth cutting down your options just to have them be rechargeable.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on September 16, 2008, 09:49:21 AM
I'm almost embarassed to ask something that probably seems so obvious to most of you, but...

I have Comcast cable and an HD DVR in my family room.  In my office I have, obviously, my PC and other equipment (consoles, projector, etc.).  I am looking for this particular piece of advice:  What is the best/cheapest/easiest way for me to get full blown HD cable via my PC?  I know I could rent a new tuner from Comcast, but I'm thinking that it probably isn't cost effective.  Will any old HD DVR or HD Tuner card hooked up to cable ultimately net the same effect (and same channels)?  Note that I do not want to sign up for any new subscriptions to make this happen.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 16, 2008, 09:51:55 AM
pc800 Ram, i hope for at least a gig (2 x 512)

Cheap? Suggestions on where to buy? Snarky comments?

Ditch the rambus based board and buy something not so OLD?

Already did, but i can get at lest another year or two of gaming out of the Rambus one, if i can find more sticks.  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 16, 2008, 10:14:41 AM
I'm looking at buying a wireless keyboard and mouse to use with HTPC.  Ideally I'd like both to have cradles for recharging and a keyboard without the numeric key pad.  Small and dainty would be nice but I ain't paying double to get it.  Budget (since Trippy always wants to know) would be ~$US100 but 20 bucks over wouldn't kill me.
Just don't get the Logitech bluetooth dealios. I have one, and truly regret it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 16, 2008, 10:38:29 AM
I'm almost embarassed to ask something that probably seems so obvious to most of you, but...

I have Comcast cable and an HD DVR in my family room.  In my office I have, obviously, my PC and other equipment (consoles, projector, etc.).  I am looking for this particular piece of advice:  What is the best/cheapest/easiest way for me to get full blown HD cable via my PC?  I know I could rent a new tuner from Comcast, but I'm thinking that it probably isn't cost effective.  Will any old HD DVR or HD Tuner card hooked up to cable ultimately net the same effect (and same channels)?  Note that I do not want to sign up for any new subscriptions to make this happen.
Best/cheapest/easiest are all mutually exclusive so you need to pick one. And actually as far as I've been able to figure out so far there is no "easiest" either.

The simplistic answer is that there are number of solutions out there that will allow you to capture QAM cable (i.e. unencrypted digital cable) including HD QAM channels, assuming they are available in your area. In theory with a QAM capture device and the appropriate software you can capture said channels. However as I've been discovering in practice it's anything but straightforward.

If you want to capture encrypted HD programming (like, say, HBO) that's a whole other area that I haven't even bothered to look into yet but would presumably require being able to capture component output assuming your cable box can even output that.

If you have a couple hundred bucks to spend you could try messing around with something like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1192-HVR-1950-External-Recorder/dp/B00198MYB0

There are cheaper QAM HDTV capture devices out there but it's less likely one of the popular 3rd party PVR software programs will support the hardware, unlike the Hauppauge stuff which is really well supported.

Expect a lot of pain and suffering, though, if you attempt to do this. I'm still suffering through getting my Comcast Digital Cable setup to work acceptably and I may never actually get to that point. Which is unfortunate since my previous ATSC (over the air) HDTV setup worked really well for the channels I was able to receive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on September 16, 2008, 10:50:23 AM
Quote
Best/cheapest/easiest are all mutually exclusive so you need to pick one.

I knew that, was just being deliberately thick.  Based on what you're saying, and upon some of the reviews I've read, I may just re-consider renting another box from comcast and hooking it up directly to my projector.  I'd frankly be pretty pissed if I had to spend 150 bucks to find out it didn't work for shit.  And to be fair, the HD box from comcast is decent enough....it's more the long term cost that gives me pause.

I don't know if this changes anything, but I don't do premium channels, so I assume all the stuff I am getting is unencrypted.

Edit:  come to think of it, that is probably a poor assumption, since it isn't simple basic cable that I have.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 16, 2008, 10:56:24 AM
I don't know if this changes anything, but I don't do premium channels, so I assume all the stuff I am getting is unencrypted.
Nope. The only digital channels the law requires the cable company to send unencrypted are the local stations (local affliates of FOX, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc.). Where I am I get those (in both SD and HD) and a ton of other crap SD digital channels like the shopping channels in QAM. I don't get any of the "Starter Package" HD channels in QAM, at least as far as I've been able to determine so far.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on September 16, 2008, 11:00:39 AM
I'm looking at buying a wireless keyboard and mouse to use with HTPC.  Ideally I'd like both to have cradles for recharging and a keyboard without the numeric key pad.  Small and dainty would be nice but I ain't paying double to get it.  Budget (since Trippy always wants to know) would be ~$US100 but 20 bucks over wouldn't kill me.
Just don't get the Logitech bluetooth dealios. I have one, and truly regret it.

I have had some dicey luck with wireless kb/mouse combos (all logitech).  In my experience if you want to go more than 4 or so feet without problems you have to go blue tooth.  For my conference room at work I bought a logitech cordless desktop (mx1000 laser mouse+keyboard)  this wasn't bluetooth and the lack of range made it suck.  So I brought it home and while the keyboard still sucked (lag) the mouse rocked.  For work I then purchased the logitech bluetooth bundle, the mouse isn't as good as the mx1000 and there is still some keyboard lage but the range is pretty impressive, unfortunately it still has the smallest bit of lag.

Now the dell bluetooth kb/mouse bundle (pretty much include it for everyone who asks me to order them a laptop) are pretty snappy (no lag) but the mouse feels a little light and they take batteries instead of having a built in charger.





Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on September 16, 2008, 11:03:47 AM
I don't know if this changes anything, but I don't do premium channels, so I assume all the stuff I am getting is unencrypted.
Nope. The only digital channels the law requires the cable company to send unencrypted are the local stations (local affliates of FOX, NBC, CBS, PBS, etc.). Where I am I get those (in both SD and HD) and a ton of other crap SD digital channels like the shopping channels in QAM. I don't get any of the "Starter Package" HD channels in QAM, at least as far as I've been able to determine so far.


Thanks Trippy, that clears it up for me quite well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 16, 2008, 01:34:54 PM
I'm looking at buying a wireless keyboard and mouse to use with HTPC.  Ideally I'd like both to have cradles for recharging and a keyboard without the numeric key pad.  Small and dainty would be nice but I ain't paying double to get it.  Budget (since Trippy always wants to know) would be ~$US100 but 20 bucks over wouldn't kill me.
Just don't get the Logitech bluetooth dealios. I have one, and truly regret it.

I have had some dicey luck with wireless kb/mouse combos (all logitech).  In my experience if you want to go more than 4 or so feet without problems you have to go blue tooth.  For my conference room at work I bought a logitech cordless desktop (mx1000 laser mouse+keyboard)  this wasn't bluetooth and the lack of range made it suck.  So I brought it home and while the keyboard still sucked (lag) the mouse rocked.  For work I then purchased the logitech bluetooth bundle, the mouse isn't as good as the mx1000 and there is still some keyboard lage but the range is pretty impressive, unfortunately it still has the smallest bit of lag.

Now the dell bluetooth kb/mouse bundle (pretty much include it for everyone who asks me to order them a laptop) are pretty snappy (no lag) but the mouse feels a little light and they take batteries instead of having a built in charger.
Guess I'd better elaborate. I also have the mx1000. My problems are
  • Periodically, the keyboard disconnects, reconnects 5 seconds or so later. That behaviour is totally incompatible with gaming.
  • Occasional monster keyboard lag
  • Occasionally, on boot up, mouse and keyboard aren't recognized at all, need to reboot
  • Finicky connector between mouse and charger
  • Ferocious battery use on keyboard.
I won't be buying another of these.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 16, 2008, 01:41:56 PM
Those sound like problems with Bluetooth to me.  I had that with my PS3 controllers for a while, but seems to have cleared up now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 16, 2008, 01:47:03 PM
Well um, yeah. :grin:

But I'm using Logitech's bluetooth tranceiver and Logitech's bluetooth stack, so there's really only one source to blame.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on September 16, 2008, 02:03:02 PM
Pretty much same experience i had with it, i gave the wireless keybard to my 2 year old and went out and bought a g15 (should have bought a g11).  The mouse though is hands down the best mouse i have owned and has held up well to 3 years of abuse (1 of it's lil glide pad/feet wore off though). 

Too bad they replaced the mx1000 mouse with that newfangled piece of crap that is 2x the size and seems to weigh half as much.  Maybe it's just me but my brain and hand don't seem to be evolving fast enough to keep up with the logitech pace for adding new scrollies and buttons.  I seem to recall a similar feeling when they replaced my easy to click middle button with a hard to click wheelie a decade ago so I guess I'll eventually evolve enough to make a thumb wheel indispensable


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 16, 2008, 05:20:43 PM
My school uses XPRINT for printing. I had an issue with it last year because of a non Dell install of XP being on my laptop which was fixed with a format and Dell install. I re-formatted again and used the same Dell CD and now XPRINT refuses to work again. Any ideas?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 16, 2008, 05:22:04 PM
My school uses XPRINT for printing. I had an issue with it last year because of a non Dell install of XP being on my laptop which was fixed with a format and Dell install. I re-formatted again and used the same Dell CD and now XPRINT refuses to work again. Any ideas?
Be more specific.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 16, 2008, 07:16:43 PM
XPRINT refuses to work again

This section needs elaboration.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: hal on September 16, 2008, 08:00:39 PM
My sub woofer has burned out or something. I am running XP (32) Creative sound card. I am a deaf man but I miss my lump ba dump ( deaf people like bass) . Please to be recommending some speakers with big sub woofers. Current system was surround sound and i think that a satellite with subwoffer is preferred.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 16, 2008, 09:14:39 PM
I get the error "\\xprint - The network path was not found" when I type \\xprint in RUN.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 17, 2008, 12:21:47 AM
I get the error "\\xprint - The network path was not found" when I type \\xprint in RUN.
I know nothing about xpring but how is Windows supposed to know what network resource \\xprint maps to? Is there some sort of directory service that maps that name to the actual device/resource? Or do you have to add an entry to your hosts or other network config file?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 17, 2008, 07:30:40 AM
No idea, to be honest, but I'd assume it has to do with us being connected to the school network when it finds XPRINT. There's 0 documentation through the school, and google knows nothing of XPRINT.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on September 17, 2008, 07:41:54 AM
My sub woofer has burned out or something. I am running XP (32) Creative sound card. I am a deaf man but I miss my lump ba dump ( deaf people like bass) . Please to be recommending some speakers with big sub woofers. Current system was surround sound and i think that a satellite with subwoffer is preferred.

Not sure how big you need to go, but I have this Klipsch 2.1 setup that seems to be pretty good bang for the buck (can be had for under 150).  In a relatively small room, I get a pretty impressive bass response.  It is only a stereo set, mind you. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2008, 08:19:18 AM
No idea, to be honest, but I'd assume it has to do with us being connected to the school network when it finds XPRINT.

Are you saying that this works when you are on the school network but does not work when you are not?  I'd have you check the name to see how you are reaching it when it is working... possibly you are not resolving the name anymore and if you can determine the IP it might help.  After that, though, you need to see if you can actually hit the IP.  I'm not really a network guy, or a Windows guy, so I'm going to be of limited help.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on September 17, 2008, 09:00:47 AM
I need a solid workstation for my wife.  My old gaming rig just crapped out. 

I'm thinking that putting one together isn't going to be that much cheaper than just buying a Dell, plus they get to deal with the headaches when she breaks it just by looking at it. 

Anyone know who is putting out solid, simple (cheap) workstations? 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2008, 09:38:31 AM
I'd get a Dell for that, assuming she isn't doing the pee-pee dance for The Sims 3.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 17, 2008, 09:59:57 AM
I need a solid workstation for my wife.  My old gaming rig just crapped out. 

I'm thinking that putting one together isn't going to be that much cheaper than just buying a Dell, plus they get to deal with the headaches when she breaks it just by looking at it. 

Anyone know who is putting out solid, simple (cheap) workstations? 
HP/Compaq.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 17, 2008, 10:41:32 AM
Trippy, what's the story there? My experience with HP/Compaq in the past has been dubious. Have they cleaned up their act?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 17, 2008, 10:44:33 AM
It's more that Dell has totally destroyed their once stellar support reputation by outsourcing it to India. I.e. they've fallen to the level of other companies like HP.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on September 17, 2008, 10:55:22 AM
I've bought a number of HP desktops for the guys here at work over the last years, and have had no problems with them. I cannot comment on the quality of their service, since we haven't needed to use it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on September 17, 2008, 12:16:04 PM
Thanks, all.  I'll price check all three.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 17, 2008, 02:05:34 PM
XPRINT error fixed! They have us register our laptops (my program is a 'mobile' program where we all have to have laptops) and because I originally bought my laptop before we actually had to they decided to undo my registration. Yay! :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 17, 2008, 02:29:58 PM
What the hell is XPRINT?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 17, 2008, 03:46:53 PM
Dual core Or core 2 duo?

Price seems to vary a good deal...but whats the difference?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 17, 2008, 04:20:50 PM
Dual core Or core 2 duo?

Price seems to vary a good deal...but whats the difference?
Give some examples.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 17, 2008, 07:43:16 PM
What the hell is XPRINT?
You don't know what XPRINT is?! ... Neither do I. Wiki has a cryptic entry though (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xprint)!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2008, 08:51:43 PM
What the hell is XPRINT?
You don't know what XPRINT is?! ... Neither do I. Wiki has a cryptic entry though (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xprint)!

I have a strong suspicion that you are using some other XPRINT, partly because that link is for Xprint, not XPRINT, and also I really don't think you are using X11.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on September 17, 2008, 10:41:14 PM
I have a strong suspicion that you are using some other XPRINT, partly because that link is for Xprint, not XPRINT, and also I really don't think you are using X11.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31tpiMvNldL._SL500_.jpg)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 18, 2008, 12:01:39 AM
It's more that Dell has totally destroyed their once stellar support reputation by outsourcing it to India. I.e. they've fallen to the level of other companies like HP.


It may depend on the level of support you're talking about. I have to replace failed Dell parts on a nearly weekly basis here at work, and their Dell Chat system works like a charm. It doesn't matter if the dude is Indian on the other end of the line, as long as I can explain why the component is truely dead and the machine is still under warranty, I get a replacement within 14-20 hours of the conversation.

Now, I've never had to make any tech support call where I had to actually troubleshoot an item, or had to have a replacement sent for a 'home' purchase I've made, so I can't speak to that, but at a business/government level, they are bar none the best I've ever worked with.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 18, 2008, 10:18:51 AM
Dual core Or core 2 duo?

Price seems to vary a good deal...but whats the difference?
Give some examples.


Ok, what i am doing is ditching the idea of upgrading the old DELL (RAMBUS!!!1!).

Now, i need a processor for my girls machine, but i am confused as to what Core 2 duo, and Dual core's differences are. I will link some from new egg.

Dual core (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343%201051707842%201050729314&name=Dual-Core) Search refinement.

Core 2 duo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343%201051707842%201302820275%201050722265&name=Core%202%20Duo) search refinement.

Now, i realize Mhz are Mhz and some are just faster. BUT! some of the dual core CPU's are not that far behind in Mhz, but the price difference is large.

Now, what i need is a decent CPU for my girls machine, something that will allow her to play games like LOTRO and WAR...and what ever else, she doesn't ever have a want to play anything as intensive as oblivion ETC..

So, is dual core a good CPU for the price? or should i spend a little more for the Core 2 duo.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 18, 2008, 10:23:38 AM
The Core 2 Duo's are still two cores, not 4.

The only difference I see is that they aren't making many Dual Core's anymore, and the Core 2 Duo's have 2mb cache instead of the 1mb cache that Dual Core's have.

edit: some of the Core 2 Duo's are 45nm instead of 65nm, but those are the really pricey ones (200+). The ones down at the bottom of $100 (say, $120) are about the same as the Dual Core's but with twice the cache.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 18, 2008, 10:32:13 AM
Yeah, i know they are still two cores, hence my confusion, And what does the cache mean to me? (other than more is better)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 18, 2008, 10:40:57 AM
More cache = more data processing at once, so if you are doing things with large files (ie: playing intensive games, editing videos, etc) then more is better. Personally, I would splurge and get at least one of the Core 2 Duos, if not one of the 45mn ones. For your gf the Dual Core is probably fine, as the real bottleneck is going to be the graphics card for LOTRO. A lot of the game stuff uses the video cards GPU instead of the CPU now days, so the CPU is becoming less important for video games.

It's always best to get the best you can afford, so you aren't upgrading as often. So I would start with what you want to spend then work backwards and see what you can afford. I start with the most important piece of hardware then move backwards:

Video Card
CPU
Mobo
Memory

So if you are doing a total upgrade and you want to spend $1000 or less, see what you can get in the first slot that's 1 or 2 slots below "The Best(tm)" then work it through and tweak as needed or you see deals.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 18, 2008, 10:53:42 AM
YEah, thanks for the advice, but i have already done that part lol, right now i am trying to get the overall price down. As far as video card, i had already chosen This one. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318) (I currently use this on my new machine i bought about 2 months ago)

I may just list the whole machine as a public wish list, and let you guys go over it to make sure i'm not buying stupid things. But, what i was thinking is, buy the dual core, and upgrade it later (the slot allows for it)


EDIT: I need to figure out how to make it public, lol.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 18, 2008, 10:58:20 AM
Feel free to post the whole thing, at least one of us will be bored enough to go over it.  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 18, 2008, 06:18:13 PM
Dual core Or core 2 duo?

Price seems to vary a good deal...but whats the difference?
Give some examples.

Ok, what i am doing is ditching the idea of upgrading the old DELL (RAMBUS!!!1!).

Now, i need a processor for my girls machine, but i am confused as to what Core 2 duo, and Dual core's differences are. I will link some from new egg.

Dual core (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343%201051707842%201050729314&name=Dual-Core) Search refinement.

Core 2 duo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010340343%201051707842%201302820275%201050722265&name=Core%202%20Duo) search refinement.

Now, i realize Mhz are Mhz and some are just faster. BUT! some of the dual core CPU's are not that far behind in Mhz, but the price difference is large.

Now, what i need is a decent CPU for my girls machine, something that will allow her to play games like LOTRO and WAR...and what ever else, she doesn't ever have a want to play anything as intensive as oblivion ETC..

So, is dual core a good CPU for the price? or should i spend a little more for the Core 2 duo.
"dual core" is a generic term meaning 2 CPU cores inside a single package. "Intel Pentium Dual-Core" is an Intel brand name for their low-end Core 2 Duo CPUs. Why they went back to using the Pentium name even though it's really a Core CPU I have no idea.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on September 19, 2008, 08:18:10 AM
Isn't the i7 coming out in a month or 2 at a reasonable price? 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 19, 2008, 08:41:32 AM
Depends on what you mean by reasonable and what Intel launches with.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 19, 2008, 08:56:02 AM
So, your recommendation is... Get the core 2 duo over the dual core?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 19, 2008, 09:12:27 AM
Depends on your budget. The "Pentium Dual-Core" is a Core 2 Duo (if you say "dual core" that's too ambiguous, you could be referring to an AMD CPU for all we know), it's just on the low-end.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on September 19, 2008, 09:45:26 AM
Will it be up to the task of running the games i had listed? I know i can upgrade later, but if the chip is ass performance wise (Even if Hrtz match), then id rather spend the extra 40$ for the better performance.

I am choosing from the Newegg lists i posted.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 19, 2008, 10:29:10 AM
Well it's hard to say since the usual sites typically don't bother benchmarking such low end CPUs, at least not in a way that's useful for comparison to other more expensive CPUs. Tom's probably has the most extensive CPU charts here:

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/cpu-charts-2008/benchmarks,16.html

but they don't benchmark the E2200 or the E4500 (i.e. the E2200 with 2 MB of cache). On the TH charts probably the closest equivalent to the E2200 is the Intel Core 2 Duo E6400.

It's also going to depend a lot of the resolution she's going to run the games at and the video card you are getting.

If it was up to me and I was building a budget system and I wasn't going to overclock and I had to get something right now I'd spend a little extra and go with the E7200 over the E2200.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Aez on September 22, 2008, 03:38:26 PM
OK, quick question :

Where do you start?

I have a recurring and really annoying bug that survived a window reinstall,  I'm guessing it's an hardware problem but I can't determine which part is broken.  I don't think it's my videocard, it's the first I returned but the bug stayed with a new card.  I'm thinking about switching my motherboard.

I can try to describe the problem for your amusement, it's a weird non repeatable bug but after 1 year of tolerating it I think I found a pattern.

My machine :
Motherboard : M2N-SLI deluxe
CPU : AMD Atlhon 64 x2 dual core processor 4200+
RAM : 2,21 GHz, 2 GB
videocard : nvidia geforce 7900 GT/GTO

The bug/problem :

Videoflash image freeze when I watch a movie, it unfreeze if I right click anywhere on the screen, the whole screen goes black for 1sec and the video continue like nothing happenned.

I think I freeze too much when I play videogame. I get tons of crash to desktop in spore, complete crash in bioshock, complete crash in Team fortress.  The weirdest part is when I reboot my computer after a complete crash, I get an infinite loading screen for window, starting in safe mode doesn't work.  Sometime I get a : can't find disk error press ctrl + alt + del.  If I wait 5 min before I restart, everything is fine again...  I think I have decent cooling, my case is top notch.
An other weird part is that a game only run normally the first time, if I close it I have to restart window before I play it again or I get glitches and a flickering screen in game.

I tried to get some solutions from random google question but nothing work.  I haven't even found a single thing talking about the videoflash problem.


What would you do?  Is it worth the bother of changing my motherboard has a blind shot in the dark?  Any suggestion?  This kind of problem will probably cost more to fix by a professional than a new computer.




Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on September 22, 2008, 05:32:04 PM
I've seen/heard many horror stories about the m2n-sli deluxe. Seems Asus never really got all the bugs out of the design. And the onboard sound appears to have a number of issues.

Check (a fingertip will work) heat on the heatsink on the mcp, and mosfets after it crashes. With the computer shut off but before it has time to cool. The cpu isn't the only thing that can cause heat problems.
Also check to see what voltage your memory requires, and how much you're providing to it. And run memtest86.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 22, 2008, 05:37:05 PM
Hard to track down stuff like that. First thing I'd do is disable the onboard sound via the device manager.. see if that helps any. Also make sure you have updated drivers, etc. Voltage to memory is also important, especially if you have cheap memory.

Might be worth it to buy a new mobo and pay attention to the return policy. You could try a new one see if it helps after running some stuff hard (TF2, etc) and return it if it doesn't.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 22, 2008, 07:12:56 PM
Might try a BIOS flash, but that should come after other ideas and before "buy a new mobo".


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Aez on September 22, 2008, 07:35:14 PM
I flashed my bios today, it said it couldn't complete the flash but all the hardware autodetected after a reboot and the updater is now telling me I have the new  version.  I'm not seeing any noticeable change.

With the setting I posted above, anyone could recommend a stable motherboard?  Throw in the price tag if you can, I'll google it otherwise.

I haven't done any hardware stuff beside changing a videocard and adding some ram.  I'm guessing I should go to a computer store and pay for an install?


It's too bad Vista is such a POS.  I was waiting on it to double the ram and fix my problem.  That would have been easy, cheap and in my skill range.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 22, 2008, 07:35:57 PM
A friend of mine was having weird problems with his computer (random shutdowns and weirdness when playing games) that was fixed (so far) by replacing his memory modules with better quality sticks rather than bargain basement ones. Might be something to try, it would be pretty cheap to buy a new set of mem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Aez on September 22, 2008, 07:55:27 PM
Thx. Worth a try, and I can return them if it doesn't work.  It might be a RAM problem since a memory optimizer program has a direct impact on my problems.  Any suggestion?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 22, 2008, 08:03:50 PM
what is this 'memory optimizer' program? That sounds wonky to start with. I also vote for ram, or video memory. How many sticks of ram do you have in the board? Use one, run memtest86 on a bootable CD, then if that passes, swap it out and use the other.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Aez on September 22, 2008, 09:20:18 PM
this one (http://pc-system-utilities-software-review.toptenreviews.com/advanced-system-optimizer-review.html)
I didn't reinstall it after my window reinstall, the impact wasn't good enough.  It did prevent my from having to right click my mouse everytime videoflash bug.

I'll try that test memtest86, looks hard to do.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 22, 2008, 09:41:40 PM
not really. its a sinch.

http://www.memtest86.com/download.html

download ISO. Burn ISO to blank CD. Boot to CD. Run test. Buncha lines start flowing as it runs some test. If the bottom 2/3rds of the screen fill up with screaming red columns of numbers, your memory is kaput. Most bad memory sticks only take a minute to discover, if not seconds. Rarely, memory problems are more subtle and take hours for memtest86 to discover.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 23, 2008, 10:05:23 AM
I have always had good luck with ASUS mobos and I have stuck with them for a few years, so I don't know.  If you memory test comes clean, I'd still suggest ASUS.  If you need new RAM, the recommendation is always Crucial.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: lamaros on September 25, 2008, 06:05:04 AM
I've been lucky enough to recieve a small bit of money recently so I can now most likely get a new PC like I had been planning to for a while. The last time I looked about and got some advice here was a few of months ago from memory. I'll be looking to get the PC before the end of October (end of Uni and Fallout 3) and was wondering if much has changed recently and if waiting a few more weeks would have any influence on price and the like.

My plans back in early July looked like this: http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=12985.msg473043#msg473043

Prices don't seem to have changed much since then here in Australia. I can probably spend a little bit more if it represents significantly better value for money.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 25, 2008, 06:54:36 AM
Depends if you want to wait for Nehalem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Aez on September 25, 2008, 03:10:47 PM
not really. its a sinch.

http://www.memtest86.com/download.html

download ISO. Burn ISO to blank CD. Boot to CD. Run test. Buncha lines start flowing as it runs some test. If the bottom 2/3rds of the screen fill up with screaming red columns of numbers, your memory is kaput. Most bad memory sticks only take a minute to discover, if not seconds. Rarely, memory problems are more subtle and take hours for memtest86 to discover.

Ok, so I ran the test, my memory is perfect...  I did both stick at once.  I figured out I could do one at a time if I had any error.  I hope it's a valid reasoning.

I'm reinstalling again, I'll try it with out any window update. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: lamaros on September 25, 2008, 06:34:19 PM
Depends if you want to wait for Nehalem.

All I could see is late 2008, 4thQ 2008 and such. Which I assume means it won't be here in Australia within the next couple of months. So I guess I'll just go for the same as earlier.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 25, 2008, 06:48:11 PM
Last I read it'll be available sometime in October. Dunno what sort of delay that translates into for Australia.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on September 26, 2008, 01:59:46 PM
not really. its a sinch.

http://www.memtest86.com/download.html

download ISO. Burn ISO to blank CD. Boot to CD. Run test. Buncha lines start flowing as it runs some test. If the bottom 2/3rds of the screen fill up with screaming red columns of numbers, your memory is kaput. Most bad memory sticks only take a minute to discover, if not seconds. Rarely, memory problems are more subtle and take hours for memtest86 to discover.

Ok, so I ran the test, my memory is perfect...  I did both stick at once.  I figured out I could do one at a time if I had any error.  I hope it's a valid reasoning.

I'm reinstalling again, I'll try it with out any window update. 
[emphasis mine]
It's not. At the very least, remove your sticks and reverse the order to retest. And passing Memtest86 doesn't mean your memory is good, it just means it passed memtest86.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 26, 2008, 11:42:27 PM
And passing Memtest86 doesn't mean your memory is good, it just means it passed memtest86.

Mind explaining rather than proclaiming from on high? Memtest86 sends data to all memory areas on a stick, in various patterns that cover just about every which way an OS reads and writes to memory blocks. I'm prepared to hear of a way that an OS taxes memory in a way that memtest86 can't reproduce within reason.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 27, 2008, 12:00:55 AM
From the FAQ:
Quote
Using Memtest
  -------------

  - How long does memtest run? How do I stop it?

    Memtest runs indefinately unless you stop it. It does however repeat the
    same tests over and over again. Memtest86+ contains a number of different
    tests which each take different approaches in trying to expose any errors
    in your memory. In the top right of your screen you can see the progress of
    each test in the lower of the two progress bars. The topmost progress bar
    shows the progress of a pass, each pass consists of all the tests in the
    memtest suite.

    Thus all tests are executed in one pass, so does that mean that no errors
    will show after the first pass if that pass didn't reveal any errors? Well
    no, there are several reasons why errors might only show up after a number
    of passes. Firstly as of this writing, the latest version of memtest also
    includes a test which uses random test patterns, each pass these patterns
    will of course be different. Secondly some types of errors simply don't show
    up until the system has been running for a while or are very critical on a
    certain timing condition, are thermal in nature, or other such conditions.

    To conclude, one successful pass of memtest will give you a pretty good
    idea that your memory is ok, only in rare cases will there be errors
    showing after the first pass. To be sure though simply have the test run
    overnight or even for a couple of days depending on the level of importance
    of the system.

  - Which memory is tested?

    As much as possible of the system memory is tested. Unfortunately memtest86+
    can usually not test all of the memory. The reason for this is that todays
    processors and BIOSes have become so complex that they require a small
    amount of memory to keep accounting data of the processor and BIOS state
    respectively. If memtest were to write over these areas the state of the
    processor or BIOS becomes invalid and it's behaviour unpredictable. Alas it
    is also impossible to relocate these areas in the memory.

    This means that a small area of your memory can not be tested by memtest.
    If this part of the memory is defective you will know soon enough though as
    the processor, parts of the processor or the BIOS simply won't work
    correctly if this part of your memory is defective. Do realise though that
    in very rare cases memtest will show no errors even though the module is
    defective, not because memtest can't detect the error, but because memtest
    can't test the area the error is located in.

Basically the longer you run memtest with the widest variety of tests and get no errors you asymptotically approach 100% certainity that your memory modules have no defects but you can never be 100% certain of that fact just from running memtest itself since memtest itself does not exactly simulate your machine under (ab)normal working conditions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 27, 2008, 12:42:24 AM
Ya, I hear you, but really, what are the odds of the exact part of memory that's broken is precisely the part that holds the bios/cpu data?  It also is probably a very very small amount of memory space to boot.

I mean, I guess everything is possible. I've seen file structures on a hard disk trashed and made to look like failing clusters when all that was going on was a failing block of video ram on a card that was mangling the living ell out of the data sent back to the GPU, which was in turn writing borked data to the disk.

I've seen an entire network multicast in Ghostcast server server crawl to 50 MB/min simply because some idiot (me) used a Sun network cable instead of a generic Cat5 cable on an entirely unrelated computer that happened to be plugged into one of the 8 switches in the network.

computers r hard mang


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 27, 2008, 12:56:55 AM
If you have two sticks you can swap them around to handle the BIOS/memory being used issue. The bigger uncertainity is this:
Quote
Secondly some types of errors simply don't show
up until the system has been running for a while or are very critical on a
certain timing condition, are thermal in nature, or other such conditions.
E.g. can you be certain that memtest replicates every timing condition in real-world operation?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on September 27, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
While I don't doubt for a moment that there are occasionally memory defects that only show when the sticks get to x temperature and the specific bad chip get hit with a specific pattern coming from a very specific type of data stream requireing a timing response that memtest86 can't duplicate, I would have to guess that they have to be rare.

At this stage, in relation to Aez problem, I would go back to Rattan's original suspicions about the motherboard. I'd check BIOS updates, and turn off on-board sound altogether. I would also perhaps check to see if there are any GPU ROM updates.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Aez on September 29, 2008, 08:13:19 PM
In a complete WTF outcome, simply removing and then putting back my RAM solved 90% of my problems...I didn't even switched them.  I hadn't moved them since I got the computer from the store.

WTF?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on September 29, 2008, 09:06:38 PM
Dust, corrosion, electromagnetic migration, elves.

Could be any of those. Reseating/reconnecting is never a bad idea when troubleshooting.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 29, 2008, 10:35:00 PM
In a complete WTF outcome, simply removing and then putting back my RAM solved 90% of my problems...I didn't even switched them.  I hadn't moved them since I got the computer from the store.

WTF?

Reseating sometimes is all you need.  Mazel tov!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on October 03, 2008, 07:53:33 AM
So I was looking at the rewards points on my credit card, and realized I had enough points to get an HD TV and a PS3, and still have points over. So the TV's I'm looking at are small (30"). Conventional wisdom seems to be that getting 780p is fine for that size - that you can't tell the difference between that and 1080. But I'm really more interested in whether there is a downside to having that TV resolution for hookup to a 360 or PS3. I'm sure there are people here who have very strong opinions on this matter. :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on October 03, 2008, 07:58:44 AM
Quote
Conventional wisdom seems to be that getting 780p is fine for that size - that you can't tell the difference between that and 1080.

I dare you to get a 780p tv. On that note, whoever says the difference between 1080p and 780p (or even 720p  :why_so_serious:) is noticeable, period.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on October 03, 2008, 08:19:46 AM
Yeah, here I'm sitting in an airport bored out of my skull and taking snark from schild.  :awesome_for_real:

Anyway, had trouble parsing that last sentence - you're saying 720p is fine for connecting to a 360?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on October 03, 2008, 08:26:50 AM
I'm saying given the current prices of TV and the fact this is costing you FAKE MAGIC MONEY, get a 1080p tv if they offer it. There is a difference, it's noticeable and the only people that say there isn't have only seen shitty 1080p tvs.

What TVs are they offering?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on October 03, 2008, 08:41:05 AM
I think at smaller sizes (up to 32") there's not a huge difference between the 720p and 1080p sets, but it is noticeable. It becomes dramatic at about 40" for me.

I'd get a 1080p just for clearest image on bluray, which is still the primary use of my ps3.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on October 03, 2008, 09:41:27 AM
I think the people saying there isn't much difference are arriving at their conclusion by comparing 720 media upscaled to 1080 to 1080 media played at 1080.  The results there are much closer in quality than plopping a 40" 1080 set down next to a 40" 720 set and making the comparison.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on October 04, 2008, 02:46:36 PM
I've been having a problem with my USB ports lately. My motherboard is an old ASUS P4P800s with USB 2.0 ports. In the device manager it shows 4 USB 1 ports and a fifth USB 2.0 port - and this is apparently normal.  All of the ports are supposed to be fast even though some show as the older type.

Unfortunately, about 1/2 the time when I stick a memory stick reader in I get a message saying the USB port is slow and I should use a different port. Sometimes if I uninstall and detect the ports again it fixes itself, sometimes it takes a reboot. Sometimes both.

Has anyone had this problem and found a real fix for it so I don't have to dick around anymore?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 04, 2008, 03:15:36 PM
uhm, I don't presume buying a new motherboard, cpu and ram (and probably video card) is an option, is it? Cuz that's some ancient hardware, bro.

As to how to fix that, I'd see if the motherboard manufacturer's site has any BIOS updates. It may be a known problem with the board.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on October 04, 2008, 04:42:18 PM
Well, it works and so far it's let me play every game that I want to play. There's just no justification for an upgrade until then.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 04, 2008, 07:10:44 PM
I've been having a problem with my USB ports lately. My motherboard is an old ASUS P4P800s with USB 2.0 ports. In the device manager it shows 4 USB 1 ports and a fifth USB 2.0 port - and this is apparently normal.  All of the ports are supposed to be fast even though some show as the older type.

Unfortunately, about 1/2 the time when I stick a memory stick reader in I get a message saying the USB port is slow and I should use a different port. Sometimes if I uninstall and detect the ports again it fixes itself, sometimes it takes a reboot. Sometimes both.

Has anyone had this problem and found a real fix for it so I don't have to dick around anymore?
You could try sticking a powered USB 2.0 hub on the USB 2.0 port if you don't mind using up the extra electricity. I'm not sure a non-powered one would be enough to keep the 5th slot always in 2.0 mode but you could try that first if you can get one from a  place that has a good return policy.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on October 05, 2008, 05:26:40 PM
I'm saying given the current prices of TV and the fact this is costing you FAKE MAGIC MONEY, get a 1080p tv if they offer it. There is a difference, it's noticeable and the only people that say there isn't have only seen shitty 1080p tvs.

What TVs are they offering?
The one I was looking at is a Samsung LN32A450 (http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN32A450C1DXZA). They do offer 1080p's, but they're much bigger TV's (and won't fit in the space we have), and are also double the cost.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on October 05, 2008, 09:06:35 PM
You didn't mention that you'd have to put money towards a 1080p tv or that you had limited space. >_>


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on October 05, 2008, 10:36:00 PM
The one I was looking at is a Samsung LN32A450 (http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=televisions&type=televisions&subtype=lcdtv&model_cd=LN32A450C1DXZA). They do offer 1080p's, but they're much bigger TV's (and won't fit in the space we have), and are also double the cost.

I have a slightly older version of that TV, it's a great set. Not too big but not at all small. Crisp pictures, looks awesome with DirecTV HD. Get a Harmony remote to go with it. :)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 09, 2008, 03:21:46 PM
YEah, thanks for the advice, but i have already done that part lol, right now i am trying to get the overall price down. As far as video card, i had already chosen This one. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130318) (I currently use this on my new machine i bought about 2 months ago)

I may just list the whole machine as a public wish list, and let you guys go over it to make sure i'm not buying stupid things. But, what i was thinking is, buy the dual core, and upgrade it later (the slot allows for it)


EDIT: I need to figure out how to make it public, lol.

OK! it finally posted as public.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13007347

Thoughts, comments, recommendations ETC....


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 09, 2008, 06:56:26 PM
OK! it finally posted as public.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13007347

Thoughts, comments, recommendations ETC....
Get a DVD burner. Make sure you get a fan for hard drive cage -- that rotated cage really sucks for air flow. For power supply I would recommend something more along the lines of this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103940



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 10, 2008, 01:45:50 AM

Thoughts, comments, recommendations ETC....

uhm...pink?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 10, 2008, 01:52:05 AM
uhm...pink?

Now, what i need is a decent CPU for my girls machine, something that will allow her to play games like LOTRO and WAR...and what ever else, she doesn't ever have a want to play anything as intensive as oblivion ETC..


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 10, 2008, 01:56:46 AM
fine. destroy my hopes that Mr. Bloodworth was secretly female, bringing our total count of women on this board to, uhm, what, 4? 5?

<shakes fist>


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on October 13, 2008, 09:48:20 AM
That build is pretty close to my current setup.  I've been able to play everything I've wanted with it and generally at max settings.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 13, 2008, 12:00:08 PM
Seems i need to choose a new Vid card, as that one is out of stock. I don't pay attention enough to know if its been discontinued or if they are just out. Maybe i can find a cheaper one =)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 13, 2008, 04:43:03 PM
fine. destroy my hopes that Mr. Bloodworth was secretly female, bringing our total count of women on this board to, uhm, what, 4? 5?

<shakes fist>
Seven regulars and semi-regulars, if I'm not forgetting anyone, plus another half-dozen or so less frequent posters.

We can double that once some daughters get old enough to post here.  (Could be many more, but I'm assuming any sensible parent will be blocking the f13 domain until they're like, thirty.)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 14, 2008, 10:23:56 AM
children historically will not touch a parent's hobby with a ten foot pole, on account of how uncool it is. F13 daughters will in all likelihood end up in the SA forum, or maybe even FoH.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on October 14, 2008, 12:14:41 PM
fine. destroy my hopes that Mr. Bloodworth was secretly female, bringing our total count of women on this board to, uhm, what, 4? 5?

<shakes fist>

I will not cyber with you, stop PMing me!





 :why_so_serious:

OK! it finally posted as public.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13007347

Thoughts, comments, recommendations ETC....
Get a DVD burner. Make sure you get a fan for hard drive cage -- that rotated cage really sucks for air flow. For power supply I would recommend something more along the lines of this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817103940



Fan for hard drive cage?

How about this one? Seems to just take a HD bay.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119010


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miasma on October 14, 2008, 12:33:41 PM
children historically will not touch a parent's hobby with a ten foot pole, on account of how uncool it is. F13 daughters will in all likelihood end up in the SA forum, or maybe even FoH.
Call it a vice instead of a hobby then warn them never to come here, they will register in droves.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SurfD on October 16, 2008, 01:26:14 AM
Been having some issues with one of my harddrive partitions recently.

It is slow transferring files internally on the drive, and PC performance often begins to chug during intensive file activity on the drive.  For example, it took me almost 3 hours to run the installer for the current WoW patch, and the installer failed after that, where as after i copied the WoW directory to a partition on a different drive everything went smoothly, and install was done in less then 20 minutes.

Also, after checking the system log, I noticed that i am getting a large amount of the following entry, flagged as a "Warning":

'An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk0\D during a paging operation.'

Wondering if anyone with experience in HD diagnostics might be able to tell me if this is an indication of imminent harddisk failure, or if it might be related to drivers, or possibly just that specific partition.  It only seems to occur on that partition.

If you need any other info, let me know what to look for and i will dig it up.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 16, 2008, 02:03:42 AM
Get a utility that can display the SMART stats on your hard drives.

What's the actual Error ID reported in the log?

Do you have an anti-virus program running?

How much RAM do you have on your machine?

What's the Page File Usage history like on your machine?

Where's the Page File located?

Is it a fixed size or allowed to dynamically adjust itself?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on October 16, 2008, 04:12:42 AM
I've got a new one.

AVG (free, 8.0) won't update on this PC any more. It connects fine, pops up box with update details, I click "update" and it starts, then receives 0 bytes from the update server. If I go to the AVG webpage and try to manually download the updates the same thing happens - firefox just won't get a single byte from their servers.

All 5 of the other PC's and laptops in this house update fine. What I've been doing is manually downloading the updates on PC no.2 and putting them on the NAS and then updating this PC from there, but that's a pain in the arse with daily updates.

I've tried disabling my firewall (Sunbelt personal one) and I've looked in my hosts file but that's as far as my technical knowledge gets. I've searched t'web but not come up with anything.

Anyone got any ideas?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 16, 2008, 04:18:22 AM
Do an nslookup and tracert on the machine that's working and not working and compare.

If they are the same download something like wget or curl and try to grab the download URL from the command prompt.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on October 16, 2008, 04:47:08 AM
OK, they're different!

PC that works:
Code:
C:\Documents and Settings\granny>nslookup downloadfree.avg.com
Server:  SpeedTouch.lan
Address:  10.0.0.138

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    a913.g.akamai.net
Addresses:  77.67.20.155, 77.67.20.163
Aliases:  downloadfree.avg.com, downloadfree.avg.com.edgesuite.net


C:\Documents and Settings\granny>tracert downloadfree.avg.com

Tracing route to a913.g.akamai.net [77.67.20.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  SpeedTouch.lan [10.0.0.138]
  2   502 ms   449 ms    39 ms  213.130.147.49
  3    84 ms    38 ms    39 ms  bdr5.lon-th1.as8401.net [195.82.97.237]
  4    36 ms    38 ms    37 ms  ge-4-1-4-0.lon10.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.78.229]

  5    57 ms    54 ms    44 ms  xe-2-0-0.par70.ip.tiscali.net [89.149.186.161]
  6   283 ms   287 ms   145 ms  77.67.20.155

Trace complete.

PC that doesn't work:
Code:
C:\Documents and Settings\user>nslookup downloadfree.avg.com
Server:  dnscache0.eng.net
Address:  213.130.128.32

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    a913.g.akamai.net
Addresses:  84.53.177.11, 84.53.177.32
Aliases:  downloadfree.avg.com, downloadfree.avg.com.edgesuite.net


C:\Documents and Settings\user>tracert downloadfree.avg.com

Tracing route to a913.g.akamai.net [84.53.177.32]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.138
  2   262 ms    36 ms    35 ms  213.130.147.49
  3   176 ms   262 ms   116 ms  bdr5.lon-th1.as8401.net [195.82.97.237]
  4    37 ms    36 ms    39 ms  gi9-7.mpd01.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [149.6.3.5]

  5   106 ms    57 ms   245 ms  gig3-3-ies1.ldt.cw.net [208.175.240.29]
  6   181 ms   225 ms   225 ms  xe-11-0-0.xcr1.lsw.cw.net [195.2.25.29]
  7     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  8     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  9     *        *        *     Request timed out.
...repeated for 30 hops.

What the hell is going on? Some kind of DNS issue?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2008, 07:37:57 AM
I'll suggest you have all of your machines use the same DNS server, preferably the one that the working machine is using.

Personally I use OpenDNS instead of my ISP DNS, but I cannot recall why I switched.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on October 16, 2008, 07:44:45 AM
How do I make that happen? I've never knowingly dicked about with DNS settings on any of them and don't really understand why they seem to be using different ones!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2008, 07:55:49 AM
On the PC you can change DNS settings in the TCP/IP properties for your ethernet connection.  You will have a similar section on your router, if you are using one.  I'm not at home right now, but I believe my setup is for my router to use the OpenDNS IPs and my PC does also, but I might have my router doing DNS for my PC.  Can't recall.  In your case, though, I'd check Network Connections -> right-click your ethernet -> Properties, choose TCP/IP, click Properties, etc.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Tige on October 16, 2008, 08:01:34 AM
I'm configuring a new laptop.

Any advantage or trinkets that make it worth going for Vista 64 over the 32 bit version?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 16, 2008, 08:04:06 AM
It's 64-bit, that's enough of a trinket if you ask me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on October 16, 2008, 09:24:48 AM
On the PC you can change DNS settings in the TCP/IP properties for your ethernet connection.  You will have a similar section on your router, if you are using one.  I'm not at home right now, but I believe my setup is for my router to use the OpenDNS IPs and my PC does also, but I might have my router doing DNS for my PC.  Can't recall.  In your case, though, I'd check Network Connections -> right-click your ethernet -> Properties, choose TCP/IP, click Properties, etc.

Cool, thanks, will go and try that next time I can get upstairs.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on October 17, 2008, 01:29:55 AM
Fixed! Somehow my main PC's TCP/IP had a specific IP and DNS set, when I set them back to "Obtain automatically" and set my router to OpenDNS it all started working fine. No idea how or why this PC had those settings, I have no memory of doing that.

Many thanks guys :)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 17, 2008, 08:07:11 AM
Having a static IP on your PC isn't a bad thing, it was just your DNS settings.  I set a static IP on my PC so I can do port-forwarding to it, and also so I could give it a name in my wife's hosts file so she could more easily map the shared drive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 18, 2008, 02:38:16 PM
Yeah.  It's entirely possible after you had set it, your provider changed their DNS address, or where ever you had it set to did.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2008, 09:28:04 AM
... your provider changed their DNS address...

This is probably why I went with OpenDNS.  Likely avoided some fun times when AT+T bought BellSouth with that decision.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 21, 2008, 11:45:54 AM
Any big provider really.  I've had all my ISPs change at least once or twice over the course of my service with them due to their own internal network upgrades.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2008, 01:43:10 PM
I want to tack semicolons to the end of my lines using Perl.

In Perl, s/$/;/g  behaves oddly.  I get expected results from s/a/;/g but the end-of-line match is being a pain and it seems to substitute ;\n; instead of just ;.  Anyone have any experience with this so I can shortcut my learning experience?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 21, 2008, 02:19:16 PM
Need to see your code. Best guess at this point is you are adding an "\n" in a print somewhere but not chomp'ing before hand or your input file has screwy line endings.

Contrary to popular belief the "$" metacharacter in Perl regular expressions does not signify "end of line" -- it means "end of string". Depending on how you've slurped up the file you are trying to edit this may or may not be what you want. If you really want $ to mean end-of-line you can use the "m" flag.

Something like this should work if you are dealing with standard Unix text files:

Code:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w

while (<>)
        {
        chomp($_);
        s/$/;/g;
        print $_, "\n";
        }


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2008, 02:35:49 PM
Pertinent code:
Code:
   while (<F>) {
      if ($oper eq "exact" or $oper eq "e") {
         $count++ if /$orig/;
         s/$orig/$new/g;
      } elsif
        ...
      }
      print O;
   }

I precompile the matching regex using qr//, so for $ the var $orig is (?-xism:$) instead of just a literal $, so it should do what I want.  However since it behaves perfectly well when using something other than $, I need to look into that bit.  I might try to manually deal with the newlines and see if that helps.  I'd rather not write a special case for this situation since new situations could come along that I have not thought of.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 21, 2008, 02:46:03 PM
What is $new set to? You aren't chomping anything either. Are you getting an extra "\n" at the end of your lines? There's also "\z" that can be used to match end of string instead of $, if you think that's messing things up.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 21, 2008, 02:46:30 PM
Trippy, you gave me the tipoff since the fix was
Code:
  while (<F>) {
      chomp;
...
print O "$_\n";
   }

 :drill:

EDIT for dorkiness:  $new is, in this case, a ;.  The trouble was, indeed, my misuse of $ in this case, or just something funky with <> that I never noticed before.  The input file is a regular file with no embedded newlines, so... it works now so I'm having a hard time being interested.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on October 21, 2008, 06:08:36 PM
I'm worried about malware for the home.  We run XP boxes with AVG and MSFT security panel on (fw and antivirus).  I also occassionally put up ZoneAlarm.  Any recommendations for good malware detectors?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 21, 2008, 08:48:00 PM
I'm worried about malware for the home.  We run XP boxes with AVG and MSFT security panel on (fw and antivirus).  I also occassionally put up ZoneAlarm.  Any recommendations for good malware detectors?
The safest thing to do is to turn your normal user account into a non-admin account. That way the malware can't (usually) install anything even if you somehow inadverently click on something you shouldn't have in your browser.

I don't know anything about the "real time" protection some of these products provide.

I just had to deal with my dad's computer getting a massive malware infection. The online scanner from MS at http://onecare.live.com is remarkably good. It's far far better than that Windows Defender piece of crap, though it does run quite slowly. It even runs properly when booted into Safe Mode with networking turned on.

Unfortunately no single program can detect everything out there so you end up having to run a bunch of different programs and pray that they've found everything important. I also used Sophos, the online scanner from Panda, AVG, and some other ones.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on October 21, 2008, 10:28:39 PM
So.  I lost a hard drive this morning.  Came in and the computer wouldn't boot because the hard drive is making a funny clicking noise.  Turns out it won't boot as long as it is plugged in.  Not *overly* a problem, it was just the music drive with 10 years of MP3s (5% I don't have CDs for anymore due to attrition).  I had all of the music on several iPods, so it's not like the data is gone, just going to be a major pain the ass to rename 10,000 files from AFDD.mp3 and whatnot (ID3 info all intact).

I did notice that this is a Western Digital drive, of which I have had multiple people ask me about recovery on over the past few years.  Is there anything to be done about said drive once it is borked without shelling out to those expensive data recovery centers?  I don't think so, but it's been about 5 years since I was in the IT field and pickings were slim then on options.  Is there something about WD that means they have higher failures?  All of the drives have been of varying size and the failure is the same - spins, kind of, then clicking every other second or so.  WD's site is pretty much no help here.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 21, 2008, 10:36:10 PM
Is there anything to be done about said drive once it is borked without shelling out to those expensive data recovery centers?  I don't think so, but it's been about 5 years since I was in the IT field and pickings were slim then on options.
If it's a mechanical problem you are basically boned without taking the platters out and putting them into another working casing. If it's a bad sector problem there are utilities that may be able to read some of stuff off of the drive.
 
Quote
Is there something about WD that means they have higher failures?
No.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on October 22, 2008, 12:00:39 AM
Thanks Trippy, it was Windows Defender I was looking at.  Sorry Selby.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on October 22, 2008, 07:34:09 AM
Quote
Is there something about WD that means they have higher failures?
No.
I figured not, but listening to people bitch about one brand or another (especially some of the lesser known names) made me wonder the question.

Now the next question is does anyone know of a file renaming program\ID3 library for MP3s or do I get to rename all the files by hand?  All of the ID3 tag info is there, so if I can read that I can rename the file to whatever I want and restore a directory structure that is useful to me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 22, 2008, 07:51:45 AM
I use TagScanner for that sort of thing.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on October 22, 2008, 11:56:04 AM
Thanks Trippy, it was Windows Defender I was looking at.  Sorry Selby.
There is always the standbys of Ad Aware and Spybot.  If I think a machine has something, I like to run several as each one seems to catch something the others don't.

Spybot also has TeaTimer for constant protection, but it's annoying as hell as every change in the registry pops up a dialog box.  Due to Microsoft's genius, there are a lot of legitimate changes happening there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 24, 2008, 07:58:21 AM
(http://www.housemd-guide.com/graphics/house_board.jpg)

The symptoms:

After upgrading my hard drive to a SATA, my IDE DVD Rom tends to give up the ghost.
I used to think it was a hardware problem, either with the drive or the cable, but this is now happening to my external RW CD Rom when I try to plug it in.

The hard drive indicator light and the drive light will come on and stay on. This is a very helpful  :uhrr: indicator as to when it's on the fritz.

Whenever I tinker with it, messing with drivers or system settings or the master/slave switch on the drive itself, it will go back to normal and play nice for a few hours or a few days. And then the problem comes back.

I'm very sadf, especially since most games have to be in the drive to play. *Insert snarky DRM complaint here*

I'm running good ole Windows XP SP3 on a M2A-VM motherboard system.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 24, 2008, 08:36:24 AM
If this is your time you've used your SATA controller check for MB BIOS updates, check for IRQ conflicts, and try some of the other SATA ports on the MB.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 24, 2008, 11:40:13 AM
Also, uninstall your IDE controllers and let them be reinstalled at reboot. I've seen this problem before with Dell Optiplexes that have both IDE and Sata. Under Device Manager, the entries you're looking for are the Primary IDE Channel, the Secondary IDE Channel, and the Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on October 24, 2008, 11:52:33 AM
Well one would assume your external CD-ROM drive is USB, so both your IDE and USB drives go on the fritz which you can identify by the HDD indicator light (the little led on your case I assume) being constantly on.

Have you tried to plug in your external while your internal was unplugged?  If you have then we know that it isn't anything to do with the internal drive.

Is your old IDE hard drive still hooked up?  If so you might be taxing your power supply which could cause all sorts of odd problems, though chances are small an extra drive pushed it over the edge.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 24, 2008, 02:08:53 PM
Updated BIOS today. No effect.

I couldn't... identify where the IRQ settings are. The CMOS set up screen shows PCI plug & play IRQ's, but the drives are startup stuff. Maybe I'm reading it wrong?

Have tried plug 4 and plug 1 for the SATA HD. No change.

Just now tried uninstalling the IDE controllers and letting them reinstall on bootup. Looked good until I put a CD in the drive... at which point the drive failed.

Old HD is no longer in the computer. (Did a mirror of the old drive's contents when I installed it, and then removed the old drive.)

Will try unplugging the internal and using the external only later. My last fix took two whole days to fail though. So it can take some time to troubleshoot.  :sad_panda:

P.S. The drive lights symptom usually only happens after Windows loads up. I mean, when it's happening it never takes effect until Windows has loaded.  When the problem is happening, I can't even open the drive to insert/remove a disk. But I can open the disk tray before Windows loads.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 24, 2008, 02:39:49 PM
Do you have the StarForce?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 24, 2008, 03:13:27 PM
Or a dvd copying program such as CloneDVD or some such? Sometimes those programs will do a CD/DVD device mount (virtual mount) that can lock up your drive.

Also, when the drive fails, do you get any exclamation marks or Xs in the Device Manager? Or does it just suddenly poof?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 24, 2008, 03:47:39 PM
Or a dvd copying program such as CloneDVD or some such? Sometimes those programs will do a CD/DVD device mount (virtual mount) that can lock up your drive.

Also, when the drive fails, do you get any exclamation marks or Xs in the Device Manager? Or does it just suddenly poof?

Poof. It disappears from the drive manager altogether.

I don't think I have any DRM like Starforce. And I don't have any DvD copying stuff.

I did do another pass with uninstalling the IDE controller. Took both the ATI IDE controller and the dual channel controller out, and then rebooted. It's being good again (played some Guitar Hero 3) will give it a while and see if the problem returns.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 24, 2008, 03:49:59 PM
I figured if you installed something on purpose, you'd have checked it out, like Daemon Tools.  I'm left thinking it must be malware.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 24, 2008, 06:57:14 PM
Updated BIOS today. No effect.

I couldn't... identify where the IRQ settings are. The CMOS set up screen shows PCI plug & play IRQ's, but the drives are startup stuff. Maybe I'm reading it wrong?
First check the device manager for the drive controllers and look at their resources. Easy way is to select View -> Resources by Type -> IRQ. Your ATA controllers should all be on separate IRQs and they also shouldn't overlap with your USB controllers. If there is a conflict there you'll have to fiddle with your BIOS to turn off auto-assignment of IRQs and manually reassign them.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 25, 2008, 06:01:49 AM
Updated BIOS today. No effect.

I couldn't... identify where the IRQ settings are. The CMOS set up screen shows PCI plug & play IRQ's, but the drives are startup stuff. Maybe I'm reading it wrong?
First check the device manager for the drive controllers and look at their resources. Easy way is to select View -> Resources by Type -> IRQ. Your ATA controllers should all be on separate IRQs and they also shouldn't overlap with your USB controllers. If there is a conflict there you'll have to fiddle with your BIOS to turn off auto-assignment of IRQs and manually reassign them.


Got another failure tonight.

Pictures!

(http://www.angelfire.com/ak4/ratman/IRQ.jpg)

I see the primary and secondary IDE channels on IRQs 14 and 15, yes?
I see a lot of the USB host controller sharing IRQs all over the place. ?

One other thing I did is get a new case. It has two USB ports on the front, in addition to the USB ports on the motherboard. I connected the front ports up for game controllers.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 25, 2008, 06:19:34 AM
I'm not familiar with the AMD 690G chipset but it looks like your computer thinks your SATA ports are acting as standard IDE. I.e. the "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller" entry does not look right and your SATA drive is probably being accessed in legacy parallel IDE mode and that may be causing your problem.

See here for any example (not saying this solution will work for you but this is an indication of the problem):

http://gammu.org/wiki/index.php?title=HydePark:Nx6325#SATA


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 25, 2008, 11:31:38 AM
The plot sickens.

I did some googling on Trippy's last post. Most likely I installed the drive in IDE mode. I found a post on a tech board about converting it over to AHCI mode.

Quote
It turned out to be straight forward.
 The mainboard (ASUS M2A-VM) comes with a nice driver cd.
You can even boot it. It starts FreeDOS and creates the driver floppy for you.
 In the BIOS I chose AHCI over the default IDE compatibility mode and then booted the Windows XP Home cd.
 It had no issue with the SATA burner.
 I hit F6 and it went for the AHCI/RAID drivers on the floppy.
 No problem whatsoever.

I'm hoping I can create the driver floppies (need to throw a floppy drive in the computer, I haven't needed one until now) change the hard drive to AHCI mode and do a repair install of Windows XP and not have to do a clean install.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 25, 2008, 11:35:25 AM
Sure.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 25, 2008, 11:37:53 AM
Question for Trippy:

Is the ISA designation left over from back in the day when we had ISA slots, or does it stand for something else now? Also, how would one go about changing that? Do you manually assign a PCI IRQ to the device in question, or can you do so via Windows managed IRQ assignment? I mean, I know its possible to switch the assignment from automatic (the defualt) to manual, and monkey around with the devices IRQ numbers, but which is the better way?

Ratman, I think you may be able to change how Windows identifies your hard drives by upgrading the drivers for them from IDE to AHCI via a reinstallation of HD's drivers. To quote Trippy's link:

Quote

According to some people (for example http://forums1.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/bizsupport/questionanswer.do?threadId=1067638):

While the (HDD) drive itself is a SATA drive it is being accessed using legacy PATA mode.
 
You can change the device "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller" into "ATI 4379 Serial ATA Controller" in Windows (32Bit) by changing the driver. 3 steps needed:

1. download Silicon Image Driver: http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/3x12-x86-1.3.68.2-logo.zip

2. edit SI3112.inf: replace the subsys "43791002" with "30B0103C" (Line 95,100,401)

3. update the device "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller" (PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4379&SUBSYS_30B0103C&REV_80) with the modified driver, "ATI 4379 Serial ATA Controller" should be shown now as compatible

(successfully tested an working on Vista32 Business.)



Note, this is for a specific ACHI controller, namely the one from Silicon Image, but the drivers for your particular controller should be out there too. However, it may be more complicated, since it seems that there needs to be some modification for the .inf file, and who knows what it would be for your particular device.

I just tend to shy away from rebuilding the OS. It leaves a lot of orphaned registry entries that clog systems, and you have to re-register windows update once or twice to get all your patches up to snuff. You will also have to reinstall IE7 if you're using an install disk that doesn't include it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 25, 2008, 11:49:07 AM
Question for Trippy:

Is the ISA designation left over from back in the day when we had ISA slots, or does it stand for something else now?
The former. It's mostly legacy now and there's an ISA IRQ<->PCI IRQ handler within the PCI controller that handles converting between ISA-style interrupts and PCI ones.

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Also, how would one go about changing that? Do you manually assign a PCI IRQ to the device in question, or can you do so via Windows managed IRQ assignment? I mean, I know its possible to switch the assignment from automatic (the defualt) to manual, and monkey around with the devices IRQ numbers, but which is the better way?:
Don't know which is the "better" way. If I had to do it I would muck with the BIOS first, but that's just me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 25, 2008, 11:52:32 AM
Note, this is for a specific ACHI controller, namely the one from Silicon Image, but the drivers for your particular controller should be out there too. However, it may be more complicated, since it seems that there needs to be some modification for the .inf file, and who knows what it would be for your particular device.

I just tend to shy away from rebuilding the OS. It leaves a lot of orphaned registry entries that clog systems, and you have to re-register windows update once or twice to get all your patches up to snuff. You will also have to reinstall IE7 if you're using an install disk that doesn't include it.


Yep. That's why I posted for opinions before doing it. I'm in no huge hurry, so I'll poke around some more and see if I can just find the driver tweakage info somewhere.

*Edit to add*

I got the AHCI drivers from the CD (had to use Slyfeind's computer to access the CD, grrr.) ahcix86
Had no luck finding anyone who's tweaked the drivers for a hot swap to AHCI mode though.

Man. I'd settle for IDE emulation mode, if it weren't for the conflict problem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 25, 2008, 01:55:39 PM
It might be worth installing the drivers (as in, run the installer, even if the drivers do not 'attatch' to anything yet), then uninstall the SATA drivers and rebooting. Maybe they will automatically be reassigned to a new IRQ and take up the new drivers (now available in /system32). I've seen stranger things happen.

Another way maybe would be to delete the IDE controllers rather than simply uninstall the drivers. However, this may also require registry deletions so that the change is really forced, rather than simply a reassignment process. This gets into nutty territory, tho, and I probably not do it myself without an image to restore to in the event of complete OS vaporization.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 25, 2008, 04:16:28 PM
It might be worth installing the drivers (as in, run the installer, even if the drivers do not 'attatch' to anything yet), then uninstall the SATA drivers and rebooting. Maybe they will automatically be reassigned to a new IRQ and take up the new drivers (now available in /system32). I've seen stranger things happen.

Another way maybe would be to delete the IDE controllers rather than simply uninstall the drivers. However, this may also require registry deletions so that the change is really forced, rather than simply a reassignment process. This gets into nutty territory, tho, and I probably not do it myself without an image to restore to in the event of complete OS vaporization.

There was no install or setup. Just raw drivers.

Well, I found a thread

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=444831&page=4

One guy in this thread just changed his ATI Dual Channel drivers and bing! Mine wouldn't take the AHCI driver. :(

Another fellow claims to have followed the instructions but changed the registry edit file for an Asus with the ATI SB600 chipset (the same one on my motherboard) That seems like the ticket, but I'm wondering what I have to change between his registry edit and my system. (using the 32 instead of 64 is obvious, but what else is different?

I'm concerned I'm getting in over my head here.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Jimbo on October 25, 2008, 06:11:51 PM
I finally bought the rest of the parts to upgrade the two computers I have, was wondering if you all think I could put together a cheap machine that runs CoX and WoW for a couple of people I know.  Cheap as in less than $500 if possible.  I have cases and dvd players, but the rest I'm researching.  Oh, it would be good stable stuff that will last, not something that requires a lot of fiddling with.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 25, 2008, 06:57:21 PM
It might be worth installing the drivers (as in, run the installer, even if the drivers do not 'attatch' to anything yet), then uninstall the SATA drivers and rebooting. Maybe they will automatically be reassigned to a new IRQ and take up the new drivers (now available in /system32). I've seen stranger things happen.

Another way maybe would be to delete the IDE controllers rather than simply uninstall the drivers. However, this may also require registry deletions so that the change is really forced, rather than simply a reassignment process. This gets into nutty territory, tho, and I probably not do it myself without an image to restore to in the event of complete OS vaporization.

There was no install or setup. Just raw drivers.

Well, I found a thread

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=444831&page=4

One guy in this thread just changed his ATI Dual Channel drivers and bing! Mine wouldn't take the AHCI driver. :(

Another fellow claims to have followed the instructions but changed the registry edit file for an Asus with the ATI SB600 chipset (the same one on my motherboard) That seems like the ticket, but I'm wondering what I have to change between his registry edit and my system. (using the 32 instead of 64 is obvious, but what else is different?

I'm concerned I'm getting in over my head here.
Okay I'm confused. Did you download the RAID/AHCI drivers from here?:

http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=M2A-VM

When I look inside the archive I see setup programs for the drivers.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 25, 2008, 07:43:37 PM
I finally bought the rest of the parts to upgrade the two computers I have, was wondering if you all think I could put together a cheap machine that runs CoX and WoW for a couple of people I know.  Cheap as in less than $500 if possible.  I have cases and dvd players, but the rest I'm researching.  Oh, it would be good stable stuff that will last, not something that requires a lot of fiddling with.
Well thanks to the Microsoft Tax, it's going to be a stretch at $500 a piece but it's doable.

From Newegg:

$_59.99  AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor Model ADO5000DOBOX - Retail
$_69.99  BIOSTAR TForce TF720 A2+ AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA nForce 720a ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$_64.99  EVGA 512-P3-N954-TR GeForce 9500 GT 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$_36.99  CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail
$_59.99  Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$_99.99  Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit English for System Builders 1pk DSP OEI DVD - OEM

$391.94  SUBTOTAL

That leaves you $100 for a monitor, if needed, and other misc. items like mouse and keyboard.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 26, 2008, 06:12:58 AM
It might be worth installing the drivers (as in, run the installer, even if the drivers do not 'attatch' to anything yet), then uninstall the SATA drivers and rebooting. Maybe they will automatically be reassigned to a new IRQ and take up the new drivers (now available in /system32). I've seen stranger things happen.

Another way maybe would be to delete the IDE controllers rather than simply uninstall the drivers. However, this may also require registry deletions so that the change is really forced, rather than simply a reassignment process. This gets into nutty territory, tho, and I probably not do it myself without an image to restore to in the event of complete OS vaporization.

There was no install or setup. Just raw drivers.

Well, I found a thread

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=444831&page=4

One guy in this thread just changed his ATI Dual Channel drivers and bing! Mine wouldn't take the AHCI driver. :(

Another fellow claims to have followed the instructions but changed the registry edit file for an Asus with the ATI SB600 chipset (the same one on my motherboard) That seems like the ticket, but I'm wondering what I have to change between his registry edit and my system. (using the 32 instead of 64 is obvious, but what else is different?

I'm concerned I'm getting in over my head here.
Okay I'm confused. Did you download the RAID/AHCI drivers from here?:

http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=M2A-VM

When I look inside the archive I see setup programs for the drivers.


These are the drivers that came with the mobo CD. I did download the AHCI/RAID stuff from Asus, and the setup programs say "Installation Failed" when I try to run them.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2008, 06:18:24 AM
Ah, okay :ye_gods: :uhrr:

Does the system Event Viewer utility show anything after it fails?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 26, 2008, 06:42:10 AM
Ah, okay :ye_gods: :uhrr:

Does the system Event Viewer utility show anything after it fails?


Nothing that I can tell.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 26, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
One has to assumed the installation failed because the devices (the hard drives) are already happily ensconced in their own PATA settings.

My next step would be to go into BIOS and reassign those two PATA IRQs in ISA mode to the higher end PCI IRQs. Change PRimary and Secondary IDE from 14 and 15 ISA IRQ to PCI 23 and 24. Worse comes to worst, you can go back into BIOS and change them back.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2008, 05:49:56 PM
One has to assumed the installation failed because the devices (the hard drives) are already happily ensconced in their own PATA settings.
No that doesn't make sense because you would never be able to install ACHI drivers under XP if that was the case.

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My next step would be to go into BIOS and reassign those two PATA IRQs in ISA mode to the higher end PCI IRQs. Change PRimary and Secondary IDE from 14 and 15 ISA IRQ to PCI 23 and 24. Worse comes to worst, you can go back into BIOS and change them back.
No you don't want to do that either. 14 and 15 are the proper IRQs for the parallel IDE controller.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 26, 2008, 07:37:55 PM
But I thought the whole issue was that you didn't want them in Parallel IDE drives, but in SATA ones, which would mean higher, unused IRQs? Maybe I lost the thread of the arguement.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2008, 10:03:17 PM
But I thought the whole issue was that you didn't want them in Parallel IDE drives, but in SATA ones, which would mean higher, unused IRQs? Maybe I lost the thread of the arguement.
The "Primary" IDE controllers at 14 and 15 are, in fact, parallel IDE controllers (that's the standard IRQs for them). It's the hard drive controller at IRQ 22 that I believe is the issue. It's not showing up as an SATA controller when in fact that's what it is. The IRQ assignment itself is fine cause it's not being shared by anything.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 26, 2008, 11:13:09 PM
Gocha, I got confused when I saw 14 and 15 assigned to Primary and Secondary IDE, but also saw IRQ 22 assigned to that other IDE controller, which I though somehow was tied to the the other two, and hence that was the source of the problem. If I understand it correctly, 14 and 15 are just fine, since they are the ones actually tied to the CD rom drive that's failing.

So now, if I understand this correctly, the working theory is that by having 22 assigned as an IDE controller, its mucking up the actual IDE controllers at 14 and 15. By chancing 22 to an actual SATA controller, rather than IDE, it would stop gumming up the devices at 14 and 15.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 26, 2008, 11:37:10 PM
No. My current hypothesis is that the fact that the SATA drive is currently running in PATA-emulation mode (cause the SATA controller is running in that mode) is somehow mucking up the other drives in his computer. There's no IRQ issue that I can see.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 26, 2008, 11:45:08 PM
That's what I was saying, just using IRQs as lables to differentiate between the actual IDE drive, the CD rom, and the SATA drive, currently assigned to IRQ 22 and using a PATA emulation (And I do understand now that IRQ assignment has nothing to do with the problem)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 27, 2008, 07:19:08 AM
That's what I was saying, just using IRQs as lables to differentiate between the actual IDE drive, the CD rom, and the SATA drive, currently assigned to IRQ 22 and using a PATA emulation (And I do understand now that IRQ assignment has nothing to do with the problem)

The drives on my machine:

1 SATA hard drive running in IDE emulation mode.
1 IDE DVD Rom running correctly in IDE mode.

In case you thought I might have any other drives. The external RW drive is a USB guy, and is usually not plugged in unless I'm burning CDs. And I don't even have a floppy drive installed ATM.

I would be perfectly fine keeping the SATA drive in IDE mode. It's the possible conflict that's the issue.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 27, 2008, 07:22:34 AM
No that doesn't make sense because you would never be able to install ACHI drivers under XP if that was the case.

It's possible to install the SATA drivers at OS install. Since I put the drive in IDE mode when installing, no SATA controllers or drivers are installed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 27, 2008, 07:51:16 AM
It's possible to install the SATA drivers at OS install. Since I put the drive in IDE mode when installing, no SATA controllers or drivers are installed.

This is what Engels wrote:

One has to assumed the installation failed because the devices (the hard drives) are already happily ensconced in their own PATA settings.
You have a chicken and egg problem cause you have to turn on and off PATA emulation mode in the BIOS. But you can't boot off an AHCI controller (i.e. emulation mode turned off) and drive unless Windows has a driver for it. If you can't install AHCI drivers "after the fact" (i.e. other than slipstreaming them at OS install time) then none of the solutions you've been reading with installing drivers "manually" or using a setup program would work at all.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 27, 2008, 09:27:17 AM
Ah. I was under the impression that these guys had managed to load the drivers somehow during the registry tweak and enable AHCI mode after the fact.

So I'm probably looking at a fresh install or somehow resolving the conflict with the SATA in IDE mode then?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 27, 2008, 09:32:40 AM
No you have it backwards. I'm *disagreeing* with Engels ("No that doesn't make sense"). If he's right then you couldn't install AHCI drivers after the fact. I think he's wrong and that you can.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 27, 2008, 11:41:44 AM
I think it has to be possible as well, but I am not expert enough to know how. One would have hoped that that installer would have done the trick, but I bet the installer expects you to have installed the OS using the f6 option of loading the drivers at installation time, and the installer only 'updates' or puts a few packaged software bundles around it.

I don't know if you've tried this, but listing the Devices by type, can you right-click 'update driver' and then go through a manual installation where you navigate to the folder containing the unpacked driver files, and select the correct .inf file? Do the 'Don't search, I will chose the driver to install' option, then select 'Have Disk', which lets you browse directories for the specific file.

I think I may have been misunderstood when I said earlier that the 'drivers are happily ensconced in their IDE emulation role'. Its not that one can't change this, but that Windows may not see that you're trying to change the very type of drive, and hence fails. Windows may have to be forced to accept the entirely different hardware profile by doing it manually. It may even send out large warnings about how this isn't the driver required.

I'd be hesitant to do it, however, without a backup of necessary data, since it may make your OS unbootable.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 27, 2008, 02:38:22 PM
I think it has to be possible as well, but I am not expert enough to know how. One would have hoped that that installer would have done the trick, but I bet the installer expects you to have installed the OS using the f6 option of loading the drivers at installation time, and the installer only 'updates' or puts a few packaged software bundles around it.

I don't know if you've tried this, but listing the Devices by type, can you right-click 'update driver' and then go through a manual installation where you navigate to the folder containing the unpacked driver files, and select the correct .inf file? Do the 'Don't search, I will chose the driver to install' option, then select 'Have Disk', which lets you browse directories for the specific file.

Yeah, tried that. It fails to load the drivers.

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I think I may have been misunderstood when I said earlier that the 'drivers are happily ensconced in their IDE emulation role'. Its not that one can't change this, but that Windows may not see that you're trying to change the very type of drive, and hence fails. Windows may have to be forced to accept the entirely different hardware profile by doing it manually. It may even send out large warnings about how this isn't the driver required.

I'd be hesitant to do it, however, without a backup of necessary data, since it may make your OS unbootable.

Yep. Looks like I might have to live with it until I get fed up and then I'll just do a complete reinstall of the OS instead of doing it half-assed and possibly just creating more problems.

Well, thanks for the input guys. And if anyone has any bright ideas about resolving the IDE conflict itself, lemme know.

*Edit for update*

I installed the most recent southbridge chip drivers from ATI today, and it's held up to some decent stress testing. Swapping games out, rebooting, etc. So far so good.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 29, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
Still no conflicts. If it makes it to tomorrow, I'm going to call it fixed.  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 29, 2008, 12:14:21 PM
Just curious; when you updated the southbridge drivers, did it change how the PCI controllers are listed? Did it change them from parallel emulation to something else?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on October 29, 2008, 01:28:35 PM
Just curious; when you updated the southbridge drivers, did it change how the PCI controllers are listed? Did it change them from parallel emulation to something else?

I was going to say "No", but I took another look just now, and it did make one change. My floppy drive (IRQ 6) is no longer listed.
(Which is correct, as I have never had a floppy in this computer.)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 30, 2008, 01:20:40 PM
Ok so here's a (possibly) quick question. The house I'm living in right now has a wireless network set up on a Thomson TG585 v7 with WEP security and I'm having problems connecting to it from my desktop. Specifically it's not assigning an IP address, I also can't access the router setup through it. I've got a Linksys WUSB54G adaptor and I've tried repairing the connection, messing with the settings (specifically trying to set a static IP address on the computer which didn't help).

Basically it seems my computer can see the router but the router can't see it, presently connected fine with my laptop. What's weird is that I had this problem before with it using the Linksys Monitor to connect and when I switche over to XP's default program it worked fine. Had been for a couple of weeks then yesterday it went poof again. I've not changed any settings it just suddenly decided my computer was invisible again. Any ideas? I've got something of a physical limitation in the if I want to connect it to the router physically I need to take my desktop down two floors or get a very long cable. I'd rather not do that unless absolutely necessary.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 30, 2008, 03:17:30 PM
You probably already covered this, but are you able to connect to any other wireless network with that computer? I ask because sometimes there's a battle between the wireless card software provided by the manufacturer and the Windows software, and switching between them can sometimes 'unclog' the problem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 30, 2008, 03:39:32 PM
I'v tried switchin back and forth, doesn't seem to make any difference. I've also tried connecting in Ubuntu on the same machine that didn't work either but wireless networking in Ubuntu is dodgy anyway (as I've heard) so I'm not sure what that shows. But yeah, same problem using Windows or the Linksys program.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 30, 2008, 07:35:38 PM
I've had some sketchy experiences with wireless on both my router and my dsl modem. I've found that redoing the WEP (to exactly what you had before, if you like) can unclog it too. My particular trouble has to do with my iPhone at home rather than a computer, but in most cases, its the router that's munging things up, not the computer.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 30, 2008, 07:38:18 PM
Bleh, that will involve talking to whoever set it up. I don't know the other people I'm living with that well, guess it's an excuse for another awkward 5 minute chat where I get to know some of them a little more.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on October 30, 2008, 07:42:18 PM
Bleh, that will involve talking to whoever set it up. I don't know the other people I'm living with that well, guess it's an excuse for another awkward 5 minute chat where I get to know some of them a little more.

you don't have the admin password to the router? cuz the IP should be pretty easy to get, since chances are its just your default gateway. That is, unless, you have another router in between. But even then, looking at your router you should be able to see the forward looking IP the router gets from the uhm, neighbor's router.

One other thing you could check before bugging the neighbors is seeing what protocol the laptop is using, a/b/g/n etc. See if you can force your desktop to use the specific protocol the laptop is using.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 30, 2008, 08:19:19 PM
On checking, I've got admin access to the router, little hesitant to play around with it right now since there seem to be a couple of other people on it but I guess I'll try and see if I can mess about tomorrow. Looking at the setting though there doesn't seem to be anything that would block my desktop from connecting. The router's set to b/g and I've got a g adapter. I also tried setting the desktop IP, DNS, etc. to the settings the laptop was using, it made Windows happy that everything was fine but the router wasn't buying it.

Looking at the router's setup page, my PC claims to be connected to the wireless network but the router clearly doesn't see it at all, it's not listed under connected devices.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: JWIV on October 30, 2008, 08:25:20 PM
is the router running mac filtering,


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 31, 2008, 08:50:30 AM
Nope, my laptop can connect without issue and my desktop did connect for about two weeks. I've tried accessing and pinging the router for shits and giggles with the desktop (in limited connectivity mode) and cannot access it, disabled firewalls, etc. Tried reinstalling the software for my adapter but that didn't help. The fact that it did work for a couple of weeks and then stopped without me doing anything makes me feel it's unlikely to be on my end (also Engel's opinion for this sort of problem generally).

So seeing as the settings before seemed to work and my desktop seems to be the only PC having issues connecting to it now an suggestions as to what settings I should flick around with that may help? I've also got a niggling worry that it may be some sort of clogging with mutiple programs trying to run the adapter since the Linksys adapter needs the linksys program to work at all and I could only connect before when I switched to Windows. It says the Linksys monitor is turned off, I just don't know if I trust it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 31, 2008, 08:55:37 AM
If you think it might be running, you can check for sure with Process Explorer (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653.aspx).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 31, 2008, 11:17:58 AM
So according to processor explorer it's definitely still running but isn't taking up any CPU resources when windows tries to connect. Killing it however kills the connection entirely so it's obviously doing something however it doesn't seem possible to run this wireless adapter without it and it isn't able to connect to the router itself.

Is it possible I'm seeing some problem between the windows wireless and Linksys monitor in terms of talking to the router? Seems weird that it would work and then just stop but seems like it could make sense. Any ideas on how I could test this or better yet ways of fixing it if it's the case (would rather not just buy a new network adapter except as a last resort)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on October 31, 2008, 11:27:54 AM
There is a setting somewhere for having windows manage the connection.  You could try turning that off and letting just the Linksys app run or vice-versa.

I've had similar issues before but the Windows driver has always been sufficient for running the connection so I just kill the vendor app and take take it out of the startup routine.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on October 31, 2008, 11:50:45 AM
Ok I've managed to solve it. The adapter wouldn't work at all without the vendor program running so I nuked it from orbit, had to go and find the install CD again since windows wouldn't recognise the drivers I'd downloaded for it. Put the CD in without installing and then plugged the adapter and let XP handle everything, seems to have taken care of it. Thanks to everyone for chipping in with what turned out to be a simple fix that only took me a whole day to think of.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on November 04, 2008, 11:57:51 AM
Trying to find an easy to fix something really dumb in an Excel sheet. Someone at work designed a report that includes nifty little checkmarks and X's.
The report is online, and I needed a copy of the data, so I cust and pasted the whole thing in to Excel. Problem is, it put every one of those checks and x's in as a picture inside the cell. As a result, the whole sheet is slow as hell.

There doesn't appear to be any way to search for pictures in a cell, so I can't find/replace them to replace them .

Any ideas?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on November 04, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
Select all, copy, Paste Special text only into a new excel sheet? No idea if that's feasible or if it will work though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 05, 2008, 11:05:00 AM
Select all, copy, Paste Special text only into a new excel sheet? No idea if that's feasible or if it will work though.

Yes copy from the web, "paste special"/text into excel then if you are lucky you might get the alt text for the images in the appropriate cells.  If that happens you can search in replace, if it doesn't then you lose all the information represented by the images. 

Alternatively if the online report was truly created in house you could nicely ask the person who did it if they can add an export to excel/csv feature.  Not sure what web tech was used for the report but exporting a csv is generally not that hard and how to do it is easily findable on the web.  I do this in php all the time.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on November 05, 2008, 01:56:39 PM
That's about what I figured. The images don't register as even being in the cells, so paste special isn't going to work. I worked around it by trimming the sheet down to just Florida data, since I'll be using it at a Florida tradeshow and won't need any other states 95% of the time.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 11, 2008, 09:29:00 AM
After nearly two weeks with no drive issues, the problem resurfaced this morning. I am beginning to suspect DRM on Hellgate: London is the culprit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 11, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
Which is sort of ironic.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 11, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
Which is sort of ironic.

If by ironic you mean stupid, then I agree.  :x


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on November 11, 2008, 09:50:57 PM
On the plus side, it'll only be a problem until the end of January.   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ratman_tf on November 12, 2008, 02:36:41 AM
On the plus side, it'll only be a problem until the end of January.   :awesome_for_real:

Actually I usually play offline. Online you don't even need the CD in the drive.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 12, 2008, 08:23:17 PM
Heh, how stupid is this one?

I have a PDF. I need to add text to it.

How?

Without pirating something, please.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on November 12, 2008, 08:28:31 PM
If it's something someone gave you to fill in, like a contract or form, you should be able to add text in the adobe pdf reader. If it's not allowing such writing, it's meant to be printed and filled out - or they fucked up.

That said, there's no such thing as working with a PDF unless you pirate or buy something.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 12, 2008, 08:31:49 PM
Lame. It's just something I need to add my damn name to before I email it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on November 12, 2008, 08:40:08 PM
You could hack the PostScript :awesome_for_real: (assuming it's not encrypted...)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 12, 2008, 08:47:25 PM
Properties say there is no security on the file. Assembly, commenting, signing, and Creation of Template Pages is not allowed. Not sure if that helps at all.

There's just a line asking for my name in a blank spot, and I want to add it....damnit.


edit: Just to be clear...I'm not trying to do anything dishonest here. It would just be a Lot more convenient if I could type in this bit of into and email the form to whoever I intend to mail it to, have them print it out and fill in what they need to fill in, and return the paperwork to me. I'm trying to save myself a trip to physically deliver a single page to someone.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Tige on November 12, 2008, 08:57:51 PM
Heh, how stupid is this one?

I have a PDF. I need to add text to it.

How?

Without pirating something, please.

http://www.foxitsoftware.com (http://www.foxitsoftware.com)

Specifically  http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/pe_intro.php (http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/pe_intro.php)

I think it is still free. 


edit:  Looks like they make you jump through more hoops than before though for the demo or trial.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 12, 2008, 09:13:04 PM
Downloaded their editor...and when I saved, it adds red "evaluation purposes" nonsense into my doc....ugh.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Tige on November 12, 2008, 09:26:28 PM
Downloaded their editor...and when I saved, it adds red "evaluation purposes" nonsense into my doc....ugh.

That sucks.  They used to have a small, unobtrusive watermark on their demos. 

That was my best shot for a .pdf editor unless there is a way to find the evaluation text within the program and remove it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 12, 2008, 09:37:03 PM
I guess I'll just ask the recipient to fill in my name when they print it. I was trying to avoid this, but it's such a small thing I hope they don't think much of it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on November 13, 2008, 08:13:06 AM
Can't you just take a screenshot and draw your name in with Paint?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 13, 2008, 04:22:33 PM
Illustrator can modify pdf's not free or cheap but you probably know someone who has it.

The screenshot thing works too, once you are done just print it to a pdf writer to make it a pdf again (i personally use pdf redirect and it is free).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 13, 2008, 05:20:00 PM
Ah, good ideas. I'll have to see if anyone I know has Illustrator.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 15, 2008, 09:30:47 AM
MS Word 2007 can write PDF, just can't read it.  Might work for you.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on November 15, 2008, 10:15:48 AM
Suggestions that would have taken less time than you've invested so far:
  • Retype the form in Word
  • Print the form, write in your name, put it in an envelope, mail it
Just sayin'.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on November 16, 2008, 12:07:18 AM
- Form has goofy graphics, tables, and shit. PITA to reproduce.

- Snail mail takes too long. I'd be better off walking it there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on November 16, 2008, 02:13:48 AM
Fax it. Every copy shop has a buck a page fax service.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 16, 2008, 11:49:14 AM
I have an old Compaq Presario 2200 laptop I needed to reinstall XP Home on (been a few years and the computer had many ghosts in machine). I want to back this thing up periodically though to prevent what's turn into about 10 hours of work moving back and organized files. However, I can't find even the default Windows Backup program. I assume it wasn't included under XP Home.

So, suggestions? I'll take anything competent and free, though all I really need to do is back up the entirety of My Documents.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 16, 2008, 11:56:17 AM
If the only thing you need to hold is My Documents, can't you just use a compression program?  I use WinRAR, but there are several out there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 16, 2008, 11:58:59 AM
Sorry, I should have added more details.

I want to back up the folder to a different volume on my network. And I want that to recur weekly. And I want it to happen automatically at around 1am.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 16, 2008, 05:52:35 PM
I have rsync scheduled to do my backups.  It requires mapping a network location to drive letter or a machine which can handle SSH, and a bit of fiddling, but it works alright.  If you want, I can give you my scripts and the programs to download.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on November 17, 2008, 03:36:31 PM
Use SyncToy (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=c26efa36-98e0-4ee9-a7c5-98d0592d8c52&displaylang=en), it's a free Microsoft PowerToy.  Works great for me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 17, 2008, 10:24:45 PM
Thanks!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on November 19, 2008, 02:07:31 PM
Goofy question, and I don't have a lot of time to research it.  Our fiscal year is ending in about 24 hours.  :(

We have a art room in our library and we're thinking about putting a LCD TV in there to show a power point presentation that simply rotates through its panels all day.  We found a 19" Samsung LN19A650 19" High Def LCD TV w/ USB 2.0 port.

Is it possible to use this like a digital photo frame, where we don't need a PC but can put the power point on a flash drive, install that into the USB and let that run all day?  I'm thinking it won't work... as the LCD has no way to recognize what a power point is.  But I really have no idea, and don't have enough time to research it. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: MisterNoisy on November 19, 2008, 02:28:25 PM
Looks like the TV only recognizes mpeg/mp3 and jpeg.  You might be able to convert your .pps into a mpeg video and see if the TV will loop it though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on November 19, 2008, 02:31:11 PM
Awesome, that's a step in the right direction.  Thanks a ton.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 19, 2008, 02:37:36 PM
Or maybe a slideshow of JPGs if that fails.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Kail on November 19, 2008, 04:55:24 PM
My PC is having seisures, wondering if anyone can shed any light on it.

PC's about two years old.  It's always been a bit flaky (some inconsistent error messages regarding the system fan), but I haven't had any real problems with it until last summer, when it died and I had to reformat the hard drive.  Since then, it's gone from "kind of quirky" to "needs to be rebooted every two hours or so".  Disk scan has picked up some bad sectors and things, but it doesn't seem to have helped much.  Virus scan just shows the usual ad cookies and things.  Just installed some new RAM, too.

Problems I'm having are kind of diverse.  A lot of programs crash frequently.  Warhammer has random crashes to desktop, and odd "file missing" error messages.  Flock keeps "encountering an error and needs to close", as does Fallout 3.  World of Warcraft keeps giving weird "file corrupt" messages, even after I run the repair.  Sometimes the system just reboots itself when I'm in the middle of a game.  I'm getting some weird issue where things like my internet and e-mail icons disappear from my Start menu.  The computer occasionally boots up into strange diagnostic modes (e.g. checkdisk, or it'll start telling me that windows has recovered from a critical error).  I'm hoping I won't have to chuck this thing, but it's really going downhill fast.

Anyone have any advice?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 19, 2008, 05:42:31 PM
Sounds like a slowly but increasingly failing hard drive. You're probably getting growing bad blocks on the drive. It often manifests itself by complaints about missing files or full system/program crashes when the needed file is corrupted.


First thing to do is to check your Event Viewer: Right-click on My Computer, select Manage, then Event Viewer, then System. Check for either Warning or Erorrs with the source as disk or something similar. Even if there's nothing noted there, proceed with a disk check:

Double click on My Computer, then right-click on your hard drive and select Properties. On that window, select 'Tools'>'Error Checking'> Check Now. Select both boxes; it'll say it can't do it now, but only next time you reboot. Let it reboot.

A full scan for bad sectors and recovery will take a LONG time, so leave it for overnight.

In the morning, log on, right-click on My Computer, select Manage. There, select Event Viewer and then select Application.  Sort through the events via the time stamp on the to find the report that indicates the results of your scan disk. I forget exactly what the source is called (You'll know what I mean by source when looking at the event viewer). If there are bad blocks, it should be pretty obvious.

If you find that you continue to have errors, it means that your hard drive is progressively degrading, and its time for a new hard drive.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on November 19, 2008, 06:21:42 PM
Goofy question, and I don't have a lot of time to research it.  Our fiscal year is ending in about 24 hours.  :(

We have a art room in our library and we're thinking about putting a LCD TV in there to show a power point presentation that simply rotates through its panels all day.  We found a 19" Samsung LN19A650 19" High Def LCD TV w/ USB 2.0 port.

Is it possible to use this like a digital photo frame, where we don't need a PC but can put the power point on a flash drive, install that into the USB and let that run all day?  I'm thinking it won't work... as the LCD has no way to recognize what a power point is.  But I really have no idea, and don't have enough time to research it. 
No you can't expect to put an app like PowerPoint on a card and expect it to run on a non-computer. You could get a TV that can read image files like JPEGs and convert your slides into said files.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Kail on November 20, 2008, 07:01:53 AM
Sounds like a slowly but increasingly failing hard drive. You're probably getting growing bad blocks on the drive. It often manifests itself by complaints about missing files or full system/program crashes when the needed file is corrupted.

Yeah, that turned up a bunch of stuff, thanks.  Probably have to get it replaced soon, but at least it works better for now, I was going nuts there for a while.  Thanks a million :)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 20, 2008, 09:19:54 AM
Glad to help. Make sure you back up the data you don't want to lose.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Thrawn on November 22, 2008, 09:55:16 PM
Wife's computer died the other night.  Her screen just blinked out and gave the no signal error.  Upon restarting it everything spins up and seems to be working correctly.  I suspected the video card so I swapped it with mine (and my computers hard drive then died in an unrelated problem  :uhrr:).  Still no video, tried a different monitor, still no video.  It was then that I noticed when you turn it on you get NO post beeps at all.  So I'm suspecting cpu or MB. 

How do I determine which though?

I disconnected everything except for cpu/mb/ram and still no beep at all when I power up.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 22, 2008, 10:10:11 PM
It does get power, but no video?  So lights on the board (if any) and fans all turn on?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 22, 2008, 10:16:08 PM
If it doesn't post at all then I would rule out a CPU issue.  I'd say PSU or MB.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Thrawn on November 22, 2008, 10:20:56 PM
It does get power, but no video?  So lights on the board (if any) and fans all turn on?

Everything turns on, fans, lights, drives.  But no video at all, tried multiple video cards and monitors.  Don't have any alternate cpus of the right socket type around to try though.

If it doesn't post at all then I would rule out a CPU issue.  I'd say PSU or MB.

PSU is fine as far as I can tell, so MB it probably is then!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 22, 2008, 10:46:06 PM
Maybe someone can enlighten us with the facts but you would think a MB+PSU would post a code saying WTF without even having ram, cpu, video card or hard drive installed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Thrawn on November 22, 2008, 11:40:05 PM
So on a related note then, will installing a new motherboard require a fresh install of windows?  If it's the same model of MB?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: BitWarrior on November 23, 2008, 12:16:35 AM
So on a related note then, will installing a new motherboard require a fresh install of windows?  If it's the same model of MB?

If it's the same model, nope.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on November 24, 2008, 06:50:05 AM
Maybe someone can enlighten us with the facts but you would think a MB+PSU would post a code saying WTF without even having ram, cpu, video card or hard drive installed.

Because mostly they do?

Award BIOS Beep Codes:

BeepsError MessageDescription
1long, 2 shortVideo adapter errorEither video adapter is bad or is not seated properly.  Also, check to ensure the monitor cable is connected properly
Repeating (endless loop) Memory errorCheck for improperly seated or missing memory
1long, 3short No video card or bad video RAMReseat or replace the video card
High frequency beeeps while runningOverheated CPU Check the CPU fan for proper operation. Check the case for proper air flow.
Repeating High/LowCPUEither the CPU is not seated properly or the CPU is damaged. May also be due to excess heat. Check the CPU fan or BIOS settings for proper fan speed.
   

There are many more ERROR codes that aren't ties to a beep.  If you have a good motherboard you can still access those codes, for example my motherboard has an 7 segment LED display for showing POST codes in hex.

Edit: Reference - http://www.bioscentral.com/


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 26, 2008, 03:22:35 PM
Really very dumb question. Or, more like, seeking knowledge on the why of things.

For years I've managed to get my various computers to talk to each other on the Network. Trouble is I'm not exactly sure how it works. And every time I look up "how does a network work", I get all sorts of crazy cisco/IP/router wierdness. What I really need is layman's explanation.

I've got three laptops and two desktops. I configured Windows Firewall on each to accept connections from computers on the network with IP addresses in the range of .0 - .10. The router automatically assigns these as the computers turn on. Magically then the Network windows on each computer can access the shared folders on the other ones. And I can do fun VNC stuff with the server that I still need a monitor for (really pisses me off when it crashes and I have no idea if the BIOS/did-not-shutdown-right screen is up) because my kids need Christmas more than I need a cheap monitor right now.

Am I doing this right? I always see this thing called "Workgroup" that I always put the same value in on the computers. I would think that doing that would negate the need to configure Firewall to leave the port ranges open, but that's mostly because I have no idea what the purpose of Workgroup is.

Also, because I mentioned it, is there a place I can go to get fab deals on monitors. The cheapest I can get on Dell discount is $100 and none of the local Circuit Citys are closing (and the ones that are don't have anything below $150 from what folks have found out for me).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: hal on November 28, 2008, 07:00:30 PM
I do not get networking. There is something I am not doing


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 28, 2008, 11:01:01 PM
Really very dumb question. Or, more like, seeking knowledge on the why of things.

For years I've managed to get my various computers to talk to each other on the Network. Trouble is I'm not exactly sure how it works. And every time I look up "how does a network work", I get all sorts of crazy cisco/IP/router wierdness. What I really need is layman's explanation.

Seems like you have most of it down. Basically, with Windows, it is doing the heavy lifting for you. As you noted, when you put all local computers on the same Workgroup, they can tend to talk to each other and share their folders. It's not exactly secure, but it's very easy. Your firewall probably doesn't need ports open to allow this, but it depends on what apps you use (your screen sharing app may need access that being in a Workgroup doesn't grant).

There are lots of permutations of this that get more complex, but basically each computer identifies itself to the network whenever it's turned on. It says 'Hi! I'm Computer In the Kitchen, part of the Darniaq's Workgroup workgroup.' And all the other computers stay 'Hi Computer In the Kitchen! I'm in Darniaq's Workgroup too!'. And then they merrily pass packets back and forth, allowing certain types of file sharing to become available automagically.

This is enabled by the fact that they are all on the same router. If you put another router on your network (say you could connect two routers to your cable modem), the computers connected to Router 1 wouldn't be able to talk to the computers connected to Router 2. That is how we segregate computers, so their talk and traffic doesn't affect computers that don't care about whatever Router 2 computers are talking about.

Well hopefully that's a little helpful - throw out more questions if you want details on something in particular.. there are very large books out there that can tell you everything about networking, I don't want to rewrite those here. ;)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 29, 2008, 07:02:22 AM
Viin that was awesome, thanks. So the best way to ensure computers can talk to each other is first by having them on the same router and second having them in the same workgroup?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on November 29, 2008, 07:27:57 AM
This is enabled by the fact that they are all on the same router. If you put another router on your network (say you could connect two routers to your cable modem), the computers connected to Router 1 wouldn't be able to talk to the computers connected to Router 2.
No. If this was always true there would be no Internet. The entire purpose of routers is to connect separate networks together.

It is true that Windows Workgroup networking was not designed to span multiple subnets so if you wanted to do that you would have to jump through lots of hoops to get that to work properly.





Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 29, 2008, 08:07:30 AM
How do I get a second router to talk to the first one? I'm not sure if buying a better router or a second one to extend my wi-fi range is the way to go.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on November 29, 2008, 09:19:27 AM
How do I get a second router to talk to the first one? I'm not sure if buying a better router or a second one to extend my wi-fi range is the way to go.
You setup a route between the two of them.

Let's say Router 1 is the one that has the WAN connection (DSL/Cable/Whatever). Normally in a single router setup with a single "Internet-facing" IP from your ISP all your PCs will have their gateway setting set to Router 1's internal network IP address (a 192.168.X.X address). Router 1 has its own gateway address which is your ISP router address on the other end of your WAN connection. So when a PC sends off a packet with an IP that's not on your local network it first goes to Router 1 (since it's the gateway for that PC) and then Router 1 sends that packet off to your ISP's router since that's Router 1's default gateway.

If you want to add another router you'll need to create a new subnet and make Router 2's gateway the internal address of Router 1.

Let's say on your original network your internal IPs where in the range 192.168.0.X. E.g. Router 1's internal address was 192.168.0.1 and your PCs were 192.168.0.100 - 192.168.0.104 (for 5 computers). If you don't want to fiddle with Router 1 then for Router 2 you would set its "WAN" gateway to 192.168.0.1 (the internal address of Router 1), set its internal address to a new subnet such as 192.168.1.1 (i.e. the new 192.168.1.X subnet) and then configure its DHCP to pass out addresses to your PCs in the range of 192.168.1.100 - 192.168.1.104 (or you can set them manually if you aren't using DHCP).

So now your outbound IP packets on your network will take an extra "hop" going through both routers before they get to the "outside" and you did that by setting up Router 2 to pass its packets to Router 1.

However...

If you are just trying to extend the range of your wireless network, you can just get a wireless "access point" or run a wireless router in "access point" infrastructure mode (assuming it supports it) and you don't have to worry about segmenting your network since the access point acts as a "bridge" and not a "router" so everything stays on the same internal subnet.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on November 29, 2008, 09:34:51 AM
Ah ok cool Trippy, thanks. I actually understood all of that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 29, 2008, 12:33:09 PM
This is enabled by the fact that they are all on the same router. If you put another router on your network (say you could connect two routers to your cable modem), the computers connected to Router 1 wouldn't be able to talk to the computers connected to Router 2.
No. If this was always true there would be no Internet. The entire purpose of routers is to connect separate networks together.

It is true that Windows Workgroup networking was not designed to span multiple subnets so if you wanted to do that you would have to jump through lots of hoops to get that to work properly.

You are right, I wasn't clear. My point was that, by default, two computers on different routers can't talk to each other. Once you establish a route between them, then of course you can, but that can require extra work/configuration.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on December 01, 2008, 04:01:59 AM
While we're on the subject of networking, does anyone know if a 20m CAT5 cable is too long? Will I have problems at that kind of length?

I ask because the 10m cables I have at the moment are a real stretch from the router to where I want to put my (soon to be delivered) PS3 and I've had all sorts of trouble with wireless in this house.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on December 01, 2008, 05:03:06 AM
While we're on the subject of networking, does anyone know if a 20m CAT5 cable is too long? Will I have problems at that kind of length?
No. The spec allows for cables up to 100m.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 01, 2008, 09:42:11 AM
I have a 35m CAT5 ethernet cable in my closet for emergencies.  Works great.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on December 01, 2008, 10:34:15 AM
Awesome thanks folks, 2 cables ordered, girlfriend looking forward to a living room that looks slightly less like a LAN party  :awesome_for_real:

While I'm here, can anyone recommend a NAS enclosure? I've currently got a 2-SATA drive D-Link DNS-323 which, to use the technical term, sucks monkey cocks in Hell. I'm after something cheap that can take 2 SATA drives (pref. in a RAID array) and that I can safely and easily use to stream media to my shiny new PS3.

Forget that, worked it out, crappy D-Link NAS working fine with PS3. I am happy bunny.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on December 01, 2008, 01:34:03 PM
Here's something odd: I go to add another device to my MAC filter list and I get a dead-page error from the router. The heck? So I try going to a few other places on the admin page (Linksys, WRT54G v8) and while I can go to most areas, any changes I try and make can't be saved because the pages being accessed no longer exist. I just tried upgrading the Firmware and even that conked out because the page it tried to hit is no longer there. Going to try a factory reset, but I wanted to put this out there in case these are my last words ever.

Edit: factory reset did reset all settings. But nothings being saved. Is this router hosed?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on December 01, 2008, 02:13:35 PM
sounds like agressive browser caching. try a different browser?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on December 01, 2008, 02:43:01 PM
Jeezus, you're right! (the shock is not about you being right but yours being the answer). Chrome was "Aggressively caching". IE7 worked fine. Wish I had the patience to wait for your reply :-P Ah well, wanted to take advantage of the gigabyte cards in my two desktops anyway...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 01, 2008, 03:43:20 PM
Futzing with my WRT54GL is the only time I recommend IE.  Haven't tried Chrome but Firefox doesn't really work.  I actually set my home page in IE as 192.168.1.1. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on December 02, 2008, 10:09:25 AM
Yea. Until yesterday I only ever needed IE for webmail for work's Outlook (since it works with MS Office, I can format emails whereas under Firefox, Chrome and others, I can only do ascii). Now I have two tabs that open automatically: webmail and the router page.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on December 02, 2008, 01:19:48 PM
While I'm here, can anyone recommend a NAS enclosure? I've currently got a 2-SATA drive D-Link DNS-323 which, to use the technical term, sucks monkey cocks in Hell. I'm after something cheap that can take 2 SATA drives (pref. in a RAID array) and that I can safely and easily use to stream media to my shiny new PS3.

Forget that, worked it out, crappy D-Link NAS working fine with PS3. I am happy bunny.

OK, I take it back, this NAS is rubbish and is causing me much hassle.

Can anyone recommend a decent NAS enclosure that won't cost me a fortune?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on December 02, 2008, 03:22:52 PM
My experience with cheap NAS recently has led me to the conclusion that you are wasting your time.

Get a mini case, MB, cheap processor, linux distro and use that instead.  It will cost (MUCH) less and work (MUCH) better.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: hal on December 02, 2008, 05:49:25 PM
I got an Ipodtouch. This thing is taking over my life. I now need wifi in my ghetto. Please to advise a wifi setup. Money is not a huge object but lets not get stupid. I have DSL a 4 port router ( 2 puters an xbox connected) . I can not think of anything else you would need to recommend so please to be asking if I left out anything. Probally upgrading main box soonish so that could be an option though I would like a slap it on and go if that is a do able thing. Thank you in advance for your responce.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on December 03, 2008, 01:33:16 AM
My experience with cheap NAS recently has led me to the conclusion that you are wasting your time.

Get a mini case, MB, cheap processor, linux distro and use that instead.  It will cost (MUCH) less and work (MUCH) better.

Damn. I can really do without that kind of hassle atm. Especially since I'm an utter linux noob.

The DNS-323 works most of the time, but occasionally just has a freak out and needs rebooting or the UPnP media server refreshing, which annoyingly only seems to happen 5 minutes before the end of a film  :mob:

I'll stick with it until (workingness - annoyances) < 0

Edit: can't even get fake maths right!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on December 03, 2008, 05:34:59 AM
I got an Ipodtouch. This thing is taking over my life. I now need wifi in my ghetto. Please to advise a wifi setup. Money is not a huge object but lets not get stupid. I have DSL a 4 port router ( 2 puters an xbox connected) . I can not think of anything else you would need to recommend so please to be asking if I left out anything. Probally upgrading main box soonish so that could be an option though I would like a slap it on and go if that is a do able thing. Thank you in advance for your responce.

http://forums.f13.net/index.php?topic=14149.msg556241#msg556241


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on December 03, 2008, 02:06:18 PM
So, I'm looking to upgrade my LCD monitor. What I have is a 20 inch widescreen NEC 20wgx2. I love it, since it does both gaming and video well. I get fairly good color reproduction, good response time, and more crucially, very good video quality for DVDs etc. But I want a bigger monitor. 24" or more. However, its very hard to actually find any monitors on display, and you have to go by reviews, both user and professional, that often leave me with several questions unanswered.

I'm considering this NEC MultiSync LCD2690WUXi (http://xtknight.50webs.com/lcd26/). Its expensive, and an H-IPS type rather than a TN varietal, so although I'm unconcerned about video quality, gaming quality may suffer. Anyone have experience with that type of monitor, the IPS kind?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on December 03, 2008, 10:42:52 PM
If you like your current TN I would stick with that - the H-IPS will give you ghosting and other issues with fast moving games. EVE would probably be fine, but COD4 would get annoying. Not worth the extra money, IMHO.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on December 03, 2008, 11:06:50 PM
The 20WGX2 is an S-IPS panel.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on December 04, 2008, 12:38:31 AM
Ya, that's why I'm wondering about H-IPS. My current S-IPS has no ghosting or motion blur at all. If it has to compromise on anything, its color fidelity. I have an older NEC that my GF uses that has just staggeringly beautiful colors. Games like EQ2 look like entirely different games on hers than on my 20wgx2. Then again, video looks like caca on hers, so we've been content with the 20wgx2 as a multi-function screen, since it excells at video, does well at games, and has 'decent' color rendition.

But heck if I know how a S-IPS is different from an H-IPS. I can read the technical explanations till I'm blue in the face, but till I hear someone who's had one, and describes it a bit to me, I don't think I'll really 'get' H-IPS.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on December 04, 2008, 11:26:25 AM
TN is crap, other than cheap there is no longer a reason to specifically want a TN panel.  Ghosting on IPS panels was more or less resolved with the introduction of S-IPS and H-IPS is supposed to improve on that.  There are a few nitpickers out there that scan at superhuman speeds and swear they still see ghosting on on S-IPS panels, you said you used an S-IPS and thought it was great then you probably aren't one of the few who prefer TN.

Either way buy it from some place that has a no questions asked if returned within xx days full refund policy and you will be good to go.

I have heard excellent things about the Dell 27" (2709W) and my personal experience with the Dell 24" (2407W) has left me with 0 complaints.

For reference here is some easy to understand information on panel types:

Excellent pre H-IPS post on Hardforums (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1039222)

Some great Wikipedia info (covers H-IPS) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#IPS)


edit: my Dell 24 is a S-PVA panel (not sure what they use now), I also have a dell 20" (S-IPS) that sits right next to it, I prefer the color/contrast/brightness of the 24" S-PVA but part of that may be from a better backlight.

Out of curiosity I looked up what the 2709W uses and it is also a S-PVA panel (6 ms g2g response time).  Also this is a pretty cool site for looking up what type of panel is used in your monitor: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on December 04, 2008, 12:09:25 PM
For some reason I thought my Dell wide screen LCD was TN, but it's not!

Dell 2007WFP   16ms or 8ms G2G   20"WS LG.Philips S-IPS (LM201W01) or Samsung S-PVA (LTM201M1)

So nvrmnd about the TN. From that site, the article on monitor types:
Quote
[IPS] response times were traditionally behind those of TN Film and VA panel variants, but modern IPS panels including the new generation of Horizontal IPS (H-IPS), Enhanced S-IPS and Advanced Super IPS (AS-IPS) panels can offer responsiveness to rival both, thanks primarily to overdrive technologies.

More info:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on December 04, 2008, 04:53:52 PM
I was looking at that Dell ultrasharp 2709wfp, but I'm hearing reports that the dot pitch is just too big if you're sitting at a table with it. The 2408 gets some pretty mixed reviews, especially in regards to color saturation, so I'm a bit skittish about it. I am just a princess with a pea when it comes to this stuff. What's the point of blowing hundreds on a video card if your monitor looks like crud. Its like buying a villa with a splendid set of bay windows looking out on a dump if you don't.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on December 16, 2008, 10:14:40 AM
Question for Excel Gurus:

Here's my situation: I have a worksheet to calculate a percentage of a credit applied to part of an order. The sheet works great. Once it calculates the appropriate refund though, I want to give the users a nice simple summary of the calculation that they can copy and paste in to their notes. The issue is in the formatting.

Here is the formula I am using to create the "calculation":

="$"&A3&" - ($"&A3&" "&B3&" / $"&A10&" total order = "&C3&" X Total Credits of $"&E3&") = $"&G3&" prorated pricing"

Here is what is displayed in cell C3: 48.02% and for cell G3: $1.32 on the worksheet. Those cells have had thier formating adjusted to "percentage, 2 decimals" and "accounting, 2 decimals"

However, here is the result of my formula above:

$60 - ($60 MS / $124.95 total order = 0.480192076830732 X Total Credits of $-122.21) = $1.31572629051621 prorated pricing

I have attempted to adjust the Formating for the cell that my formula is in; I've set it to Numbers, with two decimal places, but it doesn't change anything. Anyone have any idea how I can get my formula to not display 15 decimal places...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on December 16, 2008, 10:34:44 AM
I'm not an excel guru at all though we do use it for some things.  I think I would make another cell that displays the value after it's been rounded/truncated to 2 decimal places.

Your values will stay accurate but the one for the customer will be an 'estimate' (in your example something has to happen to that half cent).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on December 16, 2008, 10:44:18 AM
I tried using another cell set to =c3 for example, but I still end up with a result as shown above. It would work if I took c3, copied it, and then used "paste special" in to another cell, but I don't know of any way to automate that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on December 16, 2008, 11:15:37 AM
No, I was specifically saying to use the ROUND or TRUNC functions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on December 16, 2008, 01:49:28 PM
I'm going to guess because the cell contents is "$x.xxxxxx prorated pricing" that it is treating it as text.  Can you put the "prorated pricing" in an adjacent cell and see if that helps?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on December 16, 2008, 01:57:44 PM
No, I was specifically saying to use the ROUND or TRUNC functions.

Missed that earlier... ROUND worked perfectly, thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on December 23, 2008, 09:12:41 PM
My experience with cheap NAS recently has led me to the conclusion that you are wasting your time.

Get a mini case, MB, cheap processor, linux distro and use that instead.  It will cost (MUCH) less and work (MUCH) better.
I recently picked up an IOMega StorCenter NAS. I'm very very happy. It was cheap, has 1 TB storage with RAID, and basically just works when you plug it in. I priced out rolling my own, and concluded that it was pretty hard to beat this building my own.

EDIT: Just checked, $299 for 1 TB storage including NAS enclosure (http://store.iomega.com/section?SID=fff8331ed86aabb14eab68252150cde5725:4760&secid=40399).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on December 24, 2008, 01:28:45 AM
That looks great, my only problem with it is that it's fixed drives, i.e. it's not just an enclosure. I want to be able to swap out the drives in a couple of years time when Gb per has dropped to half it's current rate, as seems to be the rule  :why_so_serious:

However, since I upgraded my D-Link NAS firmware and told it to auto-refresh the uPnP media server twice a day 99% of my problems with it have gone away! Many thanks for the link though, it's appreciated.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Baldrake on December 24, 2008, 08:50:18 AM
No worries, glad you fixed your problem!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 01, 2009, 07:37:54 PM
I'm re-settng up a Win XP box to serve up music and movies, and like that my X360 can pull content from Windows Media Center. Unfortunately I do not have Media Center on XP. And now that I found an iPhone app that can control Media Center, I'd rather go that route than use iTunes and the Remote app.

So, how can I get Media Center for XP?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lucas on January 02, 2009, 07:46:33 AM
Something very strange is happening with my Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-111DBK . Beside SecuROM raping, I think the "burner" part of it is totally fried, and the system think everything is messed up.

Now, I'm no hardware expert and also I still have to try to replace it with another one (will do it next week) in order to see if the problems listed below still happen, but meanwhile I would like to know your opinion.

BIOS  (AmiBIOS) recognizes it fine; the Windows Vista (32-bit, SP1) Device Manager recognizes it fine and it says it works correctly, no code error or yellow exclamation mark. Now, the latest firmware should be 1.29, September 2006. But here's what is happening:
----

Device Manager:
- When I look up at the properties of the DVD and click on drivers, there is just the generic Microsoft listing, with the date of june 2006 and the driver version of 6.0.6001.18000. So I tried to check automatically for drivers, to no avail, it said it was already updated. So I went to the Pioneer website, downloaded the above mentioned 1.29 firmware, unzipped it correctly, ran the program, but it doesn't work, it says "available target is not found". (yes, I'm sure it's the correct firmware). And yes, I also tried to download an earlier version of the firmware.

If I look at the "details" of my DVD, in "ID Hardware", it says this:

IDE\CdRomPIONEER_DVD-RW__DVR-111D________________1.23____
IDE\PIONEER_DVD-RW__DVR-111D________________1.23____
IDE\CdRomPIONEER_DVD-RW__DVR-111D________________
PIONEER_DVD-RW__DVR-111D________________1.23____
GenCdRom


Is that the latest firmware version installed? And why it doesn't show up in the "Driver" section?
---

Nero:
Also, If I load Nero SmartStart and I try to check the speed of my DVD drive or test it altogether, there is a pop-up window saying "impossible to find the CD Rom unit". Also, if I try to create a Data DVD with Nero, in the "current burner" section it just says "Image Recorder" and the DVD Rom is not listed.


Gaming:
By the way, the problems I'm going to mention were *already* present without Daemon Tools (installed yesterday, trial edition)  and Nero (which I reinstalled yesterday).

- Autoplay runs fine, installation of games runs fine. I only had a problem with the installation of Fallout 3, something a lot of people experienced, looking at the official website.

Currently, I can play Neverwinter Nights 2, Fallout 3 and Pro Evolution Soccer 9 with a No CD crack. Why? Because if if try to run the normal exe (through the game launcher or forcing the exe from the game directory), it keeps me asking for the CD even if it is already in . Like I said, this problem was already there even without any cd burning or whatever program installed (regarding nero, with the previous installation I also made sure of cleaning the registry).

Well, that's about it :(




Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 04, 2009, 09:11:11 AM
So, how can I get Media Center for XP?

Nevermind. Looks like Windows Media Player 11 effectively does the same thing, at least insofar as the X360 showing stuff is concerned. And there's a few iPhone options for controlling that (will be experimenting with IntelliRemote first). Now I get to see just how much I can push from this ancient PC :wink:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on January 05, 2009, 12:37:03 AM
My new PC is coming on Tuesday with Vista 64 installed. Is there anything important I should tell them about how to install it or can I change any badly chosen options once I get the computer without having to reinstall?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 05, 2009, 01:44:49 PM
So, how can I get Media Center for XP?

Nevermind. Looks like Windows Media Player 11 effectively does the same thing, at least insofar as the X360 showing stuff is concerned. And there's a few iPhone options for controlling that (will be experimenting with IntelliRemote first). Now I get to see just how much I can push from this ancient PC :wink:

If you don't want to shell out cash for an XP license or Media Center you can easily set up a linux box that can serve videos and music to an XBOX 360 (or PS 3) using a UPnP Media Server.  I use UShare (http://ushare.geexbox.org/), It won't transcode from one format to another, like Trippy was looking for earlier, but if you have fairly standard formats (.avi, .mov, .wmv, etc...) the XBOX 360 will play them natively.

It's easy peasy setup, don't cost nothing, other than hardware, and works great.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 07, 2009, 03:33:10 PM
I think there is something wrong with your DVD drive. :awesome_for_real:

Firmware and drivers are not the same thing.  Firmware lives on the drive unit, and if you cannot flash it then there is a hardware problem.  Drivers live in the operating system and let softwares talk to hardwares.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on January 07, 2009, 03:51:28 PM
So, how can I get Media Center for XP?

Nevermind. Looks like Windows Media Player 11 effectively does the same thing, at least insofar as the X360 showing stuff is concerned. And there's a few iPhone options for controlling that (will be experimenting with IntelliRemote first). Now I get to see just how much I can push from this ancient PC :wink:

WMP 11 works just fine, it sets up the required service when you install it. Just don't try connecting through the media center area on the 360 dashboard. Go to "my videos" and connect through there.

I currently feed media from an old P4 that I slapped a half TB drive in to via wireless, and it works great. Other than when my router decides to spontaneously reset itself...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on January 07, 2009, 07:25:37 PM
Folks -- what's the criteria for choosing a good case? 

I plan to start a new PC build over the next few months and  I'd be willing to pay <$325. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 07, 2009, 07:40:17 PM
Depends on your needs. Quiet? Cool looking? Small? High end (hot) components going in? HTPC?

Some guidelines are nice.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 07, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
I'm building a new forum style for my guild board which just went to phpBB3. However, just like when I did one for phpBB2, I had to hack my way through it. So I'm learning all over again.

I have the style loaded up and it works (incomplete though it is). I can upload new images just fine and they will appear on the page when I hit refresh. However, no matter how many times I change and upload a css file, none of the changes appear to be made. So while I figure out what else I might have screwed up, is it possible that I need to uninstall the style from my admin panel and reinstall it so that it reads the new css file info?

And yes, someone who actually knew what the hell they were talking about would probably be able to ask that question the right way.  :grin:

Edit 1: Wierd. Ok, so phpBB3 Admin Control Panel lets you edit html and css files within it's own UI. And that works ok. But I cannot work offline and then upload/replace the data on the server. Maybe I DO need to uninstall the style and then reinstall. But that's a pita, so I'll probably just do all code adjustments in the phpBB3 UI. Unless someone tells me otherwise


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 07, 2009, 08:05:10 PM
What's the board URL (assuming it's public)?

When you edit things like stylesheets the changes don't always get reflected when you refresh because of page/element caching. To force a reload without mucking around with HTTP headers and forcing people to constantly clear their caches you can append a changing query string on the end of the URL which tricks the browser into thinking it needs to reload it. It's possible the UI admin tool does something of that sort for you.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 07, 2009, 08:17:53 PM
Ah, yea, so, like, complicated then :-) It's working well with the Admin CP so I'll just keep doing that. Much faster too.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 07, 2009, 09:20:36 PM
just name your new css file with a version number and every time you upload a new css go into the admin tool and load it.  Most forums let you point to a custom css file.  Once you think you are finished just remove all the old versions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on January 08, 2009, 01:25:03 PM
Depends on your needs. Quiet? Cool looking? Small? High end (hot) components going in? HTPC?

Some guidelines are nice.

Sorry.  Quiet and cooling, which I realize may be exclusionary.  Full tower, I guess.  I am hoping for moderately high-end components. This is for gaming, not HTPC.

Basically, I don't care what it looks like or how heavy it is, I just was hoping people were opting for 1 or 2 models.  I have no clue what's best at the moment.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 08, 2009, 10:28:10 PM
I was using the Cosmos (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119138) case until recently. Huge Full tower, quiet (with Scythe s-flex fans) and cool, except not the best harddrive cooling. Not terrible, especially with the alternative fan-shroud placement. But it is very big, and very space age looking. I stopped using it as when I rebuilt my desk, I ended up about 1.5" too shot for the case to fit where I wanted it. The Antec p180/p182 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129025) is also another big, heavy case. I retired one of those due to heat issues, but it was with 2 very hot video cards. Not as quiet as the Cosmos, even with quiet fans, and the hard drive air flow went to hell if you closed the front door. I'm currently using a HAF (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160) for the gaming machine, and an Elite 330 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115) for the server. The 330 is small and quiet, the HAF is huge, very cool, and moderately quiet (again, with Scythe s-flex fans) The loudest bit is the 4870.

The other cases I've used recently are the Antec Lanboys (meh) the Antec 900 (loud, annoying to replace big fan) Antec Sonata (meh) and a Lian-li midtower I wasn't impressed with. Too flimsy.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 08, 2009, 10:42:13 PM
Depends on your needs. Quiet? Cool looking? Small? High end (hot) components going in? HTPC?

Some guidelines are nice.

Sorry.  Quiet and cooling, which I realize may be exclusionary.  Full tower, I guess.  I am hoping for moderately high-end components. This is for gaming, not HTPC.

Basically, I don't care what it looks like or how heavy it is, I just was hoping people were opting for 1 or 2 models.  I have no clue what's best at the moment.  Thanks.
If you need quiet and cool start with http://silentpcreview.com/


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bandit on January 09, 2009, 09:33:09 AM
Can anyone recommend a good free online storage site?  I have a colleague who is driving me crazy about his computer problems.  Basically it sounds like his OS is pooched and he has 5 years of family digital photos on the computer that he needs.  A usb key won't work, burning to CD won't work, home networking to his laptop won't work. I am avoiding having to take his hard drive and slave it on to one of my computers.  Apparently he can get online, so I thought he might be able to transfer to his laptop via a storage site.  Any help would be much appreciated!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 09, 2009, 10:06:16 AM
Can he not buy himself a terrabyte drive and slave it inside his own machine?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bandit on January 09, 2009, 10:15:28 AM
No he is completely computer illiterate, that would require me to go to his house and install and slave it.  Just trying to avoid that option, just looking for a quicker solution.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 09, 2009, 11:51:27 AM
An external USB drive?  Plug it in and copy everything over?

Edit: An internet storage site is probably not going to work for transferring a large amount of data simply because your friends 'unlimited' broadband connection probably actually has a limit.

1 TB USB external WD ($119.99):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136321

If it's actually not that much data he could use gmail accounts for storage...

edit2: http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/01/how-to-use-your-gmail-account-as-a-personal-file-server/


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on January 09, 2009, 11:55:00 AM
Dropbox! You'll have to be careful though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 09, 2009, 12:00:38 PM
Dropbox! You'll have to be careful though.

Careful of what? They don't steal my pictures do they?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on January 09, 2009, 12:06:03 PM
Well, he was said to be computer illiterate. I don't trust illiterates with even the most simple of computerized actions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 09, 2009, 12:12:21 PM
Well, he was said to be computer illiterate. I don't trust illiterates with even the most simple of computerized actions.

That's true - if he's really illiterate than you are pretty much screwed and will have to do it yourself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 09, 2009, 12:23:02 PM
Seems to be a space limit on dropbox.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bandit on January 09, 2009, 12:57:23 PM
Hmmm, thanks for the suggestions...

Problem with USB storage device is apparently his USB ports are not reading anything at all.  He tried a couple of USB storage keys and other USB devices to no success.

Drop Box, seems to be alright, but he also indicated that he tried to install AVG to run a test on his comp and it wouldn't let him install anything and drop box has a client install.  He has indicated about the only thing he could do was basically get online.  His OS (XP) seems to be completely borked.

It just looks like I am going to have to bite the bullet to slave it.  The help is much appreciated though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 09, 2009, 01:10:23 PM
it's getting to the point where computers are cheap enough and people are ungrateful enough that when they get themselves into these situations i just tell em to go buy a new pc.  Slave the old hard drive into the new pc and copy all the needed files over.  If you fix it then it will just be your fault when he malwares his ass into a corner again.

I wonder if a bart pe disc would make a USB drive accessible or if he screwed up some hardware.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bandit on January 09, 2009, 01:30:03 PM
I wonder if a bart pe disc would make a USB drive accessible or if he screwed up some hardware.

Wow, I remember using that bert a long time ago....never thought of it again.  That may work, not to get the pc working, but just get those pic files off.  Great suggestion.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 09, 2009, 06:03:34 PM
Time to do a bit of early spring cleaning on my computer and do a format/reinstall.  I have an unopened XP Pro 64 case sitting on my desk, looking at me longingly with sad eyes.

Computer is Q6600 @ 3.2 Ghz, 4GB RAM, 8800GTS G92 512 in SLI.  Gaming rig.

XP Pro 64 vs Vista Home Premium. 

WWF13D.

(what would f13 do)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 09, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
Is your Vista Home Premium 64-bit or 32-bit?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 09, 2009, 06:56:35 PM
64 bit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 09, 2009, 07:04:27 PM
Go with Vista.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 09, 2009, 08:16:59 PM
Huh.  That's surprising.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 10, 2009, 12:21:44 AM
How so? Half the Vista-rage out there is from folks that can't handle any sort of a change. At first it was somewhat justified, since Vista had some issues, but they've been ironed out. Vista is a problem for older hardware, but on good hardware, it runs well. Especially 64 bit. Besides, XP driver support for 64 bit has had problems, many left mouldering unresolved. From what I hear, Vista 64 bit has good driver support.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 10, 2009, 12:44:23 AM
To be honest, the only issue I've had thus far with Vista Prem is the error on install that occasionally pops up if you have more than 2GB of RAM.  Other than that, no issues. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 11, 2009, 06:46:42 PM
Depends on your needs. Quiet? Cool looking? Small? High end (hot) components going in? HTPC?

Some guidelines are nice.

Sorry.  Quiet and cooling, which I realize may be exclusionary.  Full tower, I guess.  I am hoping for moderately high-end components. This is for gaming, not HTPC.

Basically, I don't care what it looks like or how heavy it is, I just was hoping people were opting for 1 or 2 models.  I have no clue what's best at the moment.  Thanks.
If you need quiet and cool start with http://silentpcreview.com/


My new gear in my old case (mid 90's inwin crap) was overheating so I decided to take the plunge, I wanted something affordable, quiet, cool , tool free and didn't look like it belonged in a pimps car.  Ended up with this: Cooler Master Sileo 500 (http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Sileo-Tower-Black/dp/B001NABWZI).  It is insulated for sound, has front and rear fans, and other than the mother board and psu you can add/remove all the hardware sans tools.  I also upgraded my stock cpu heatsink/fan to a Zalman 9500.

Only been a few hours but I had both cores pegged to 100% for most of those 2 hours and my temp has hovered between 46-48 the entire time (seem to hover at 42 when the pc is at rest).  It is noticably quieter than my last case/cpu fan.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: w00key on January 11, 2009, 06:47:16 PM
XP Pro:
+ Got remote desktop support. You have to pay for ultimate in Vista to get that (But I did. The other shiny features like VSC, Encrypted folders are pretty nice to have too)
+ Lower memory footprint (but hey, that's where the 64-bit support comes in. Get ram while it's cheap, 4-8G)

Vista:
+ Shinier. The graphical framework supports fancy stuff, but the built in [win]+[tab] is meh at best. Get switcher the osx expose clone from http://insentient.net/
(http://insentient.net/Files/Screenshots/switcher-2704-tile_t.jpg)
+ Way better driver support. Everything I've bought in the last 2 years just work. No one releases xp64 drivers anymore.
+ New Kernel, better scheduler (cycle delta counter), better memory management (memory priority). SP1 backported the Windows Server 2008 kernel to Vista.
+ Better application support. Some installers like the MSN 9 just breaks on XP64.
+ Execution context for GPU. Think CPU & Memory scheduler for CPU/RAM, but for 3D stuff. Is a big deal when you run multiple clients (WoW :P) at the same time.
+ No more users running around as root. Sudo setup.exe's (via UAC) or Sudo su (open an administrative prompt) before you can mess up your pc.

Same:
- Stability. I never had a XP or Vista crash because of software errors, any instability is always traced back to hardware faults.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 11, 2009, 06:52:00 PM
XP Pro:
+ Got remote desktop support. You have to pay for ultimate in Vista to get that (But I did. The other shiny features like VSC, Encrypted folders are pretty nice to have too)

For awhile I was a bit confused by this feature, thinking I wouldn't be able to remote desktop to my work machine if I had XP or Vista Home editions at home, come to find out they are talking about the ability to recieve remote desktop connections.  Since I never remote desktop to my home machine (only from) this is pretty much a non issue.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 11, 2009, 08:05:41 PM
XP Pro:
+ Got remote desktop support. You have to pay for ultimate in Vista to get that (But I did. The other shiny features like VSC, Encrypted folders are pretty nice to have too)
Vista Business, the equivalent of XP Professional, has Remote Desktop Support too.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 12, 2009, 09:33:11 AM
Does anyone know if there is a flavor of VNC that supports Vista well?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 12, 2009, 05:26:30 PM
Does anyone know if there is a flavor of VNC that supports Vista well?
Do you just need a viewer or do you want to run a VNC server on Vista?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 13, 2009, 07:04:01 AM
Does anyone know if there is a flavor of VNC that supports Vista well?
Do you just need a viewer or do you want to run a VNC server on Vista?

Run the server on Vista.  I looked at RealVNC (Which I use at work) but there was grumbling in the search results about it's Vista support.

I'm not really asking anyone to do research for me.  I'll google around, I was just wondering if anyone had already gone through the effort and had some insights.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 13, 2009, 07:10:08 AM
I've only used the RealVNC viewer to connect to a VNC server running under Linux.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 14, 2009, 08:00:07 AM
Wireless security: MAC address whitelist is totally awesome, right?  Even without WPA?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 14, 2009, 08:03:28 AM
MAC addresses can be faked, so it offers some protection but by itself it won't necessarily keep out a determined hacker.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 14, 2009, 08:45:06 AM
How determined would a hacker have to be in order to nab one of my MACs?  Sure, they can be faked but it might take a while to guess the right one.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 14, 2009, 09:54:41 AM
How determined would a hacker have to be in order to nab one of my MACs?  Sure, they can be faked but it might take a while to guess the right one.

I'm not so sure about a wireless network.  I don't know enough about how they figure out who to talk to to say yes or no.  Routers build an ARP cache of MAC addresses of the computers that connect to them (MAC is the physical device, IP is the logical address, you need both to talk to someone) and I don't know that someone with a wireless device wandering around collecting handshakes can't grab MACs.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 14, 2009, 10:38:39 AM
pretty sure kismet (http://www.kismetwireless.net/) can grab MAC & IP addresses out of the air.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 14, 2009, 11:37:31 AM
hmmm shouldn't this read as 2997mhz (333.00 x 9.0) for the frequency?  I didn't adjust any clock settings when I set everything up shouldn't the chipset (mboard: ASUS P5Q SE PLUS 775 P45/ICH10) autodetect the proper setting for the CPU? 

(http://www.devotia.com/img/coretemp.JPG)

Did I get a bogus proc or is the mainboard automatically setting itself to the correct freq expecting too much?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 14, 2009, 11:50:28 AM
It might be the BIOS, too.  Mine had to be flashed to read my Quad correctly.  I still need to do flash the newest one (stupid comp not allowing a USB flash boot ><) to get better compatability.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 14, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
It might be the BIOS, too.  Mine had to be flashed to read my Quad correctly.  I still need to do flash the newest one (stupid comp not allowing a USB flash boot ><) to get better compatability.

Went into the bios and it was reading correctly there, saved and launched the os and it is now correct there as well.  Never actually flashed the bios but I may not have gone back in the bios since installing all the motherboard and chipset crap in windows.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miguel on January 14, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
Problem with USB storage device is apparently his USB ports are not reading anything at all.  He tried a couple of USB storage keys and other USB devices to no success.

A System Rescue CD (http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page) comes in very handy for these kinds of things.  It has bailed me out of huge messes more times than I can count.

The newer ones can mount NTFS partitions as well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 14, 2009, 05:06:50 PM
hmmm shouldn't this read as 2997mhz (333.00 x 9.0) for the frequency?  I didn't adjust any clock settings when I set everything up shouldn't the chipset (mboard: ASUS P5Q SE PLUS 775 P45/ICH10) autodetect the proper setting for the CPU? 

(http://www.devotia.com/img/coretemp.JPG)

Did I get a bogus proc or is the mainboard automatically setting itself to the correct freq expecting too much?

That looks like SpeedStep kicking in. Try disabling it in your BIOS and see if that bumps the multiplier back up.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 14, 2009, 10:40:54 PM
hmmm shouldn't this read as 2997mhz (333.00 x 9.0) for the frequency?  I didn't adjust any clock settings when I set everything up shouldn't the chipset (mboard: ASUS P5Q SE PLUS 775 P45/ICH10) autodetect the proper setting for the CPU? 

..pic..

Did I get a bogus proc or is the mainboard automatically setting itself to the correct freq expecting too much?
That looks like SpeedStep kicking in. Try disabling it in your BIOS and see if that bumps the multiplier back up.

nah fixed now, speedstep was never enabled i just thing the proc was initially misread by the bios, or maybe i never gave it the chance to be set.  I recall going into the bios after setting everything up and everything looked fine i may not have saved after that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 18, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
HomePlug.  Somehow I managed to forget all about this technology but it could solve my LAN problem.  Has anyone had any experience with this?  Gotchas?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: FatuousTwat on January 19, 2009, 09:52:13 PM
I have a problem that is DRIVING ME NUTS.

My Mom bought a laptop around November last year. Everything was working fine, but for the past week or so, every time she logs into the network, everyone else has repeat drops. It makes it impossible to do anything except read web pages. No setting have been changed on the router, or the laptop (according to my Mother and Step-Father). The only difference is that she has recently been using her laptop in the spare bedroom (right across the hall from my room).

What could be causing this?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 19, 2009, 10:35:39 PM
Well your post is very vague so I'm going to assume we're talking about some sort of wireless network here. As such it could be a bazillion different problems but if I had to guess I would say her wireless adapter is set to a different protocol/configuration than the other computers. E.g. hers is set to B and everybody else is on G or vice versa and your/their wireless router is a POS and can't handle a mixed network properly.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 20, 2009, 12:19:19 PM
Being a Parent and all, she could also have a worm that is flooding the network.  Router difficulties are more likely, but if it only happens with her machine being plugged in, something is going on there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 22, 2009, 10:01:18 AM
I have a XHTML doc and a CSS that work great.  I move these to another location on the same web server, and now only some of the styles seem to be working.  Most do not.  Since at least the font-family style works, I'm going to assume the .css is in the right place and perms are fine.  Mrh?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on January 22, 2009, 10:05:43 AM
I would assume that somewhere in the document you have absolute links instead of relative links.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 22, 2009, 10:23:30 AM
I do/did use absolute links when defining the .css location in the .html.  The bit where it would use the correct font was throwing me off since a bad path should mean I get Times instead of Arial.

Anyway, I changed to a relative path and now it's not even reading in the font-family style.  I cp -p the .css to the same dir as the .html, changed the link to both "./gla.css" and "gla.css" and got zero style.  I'm going to have to suspect Apache at this point because it works just fine in the other dir structure, and also I don't have any other ideas.  How about a related question: is there a place where such errors are logged?

EDIT: The problem was in meat instead of code.  Never trust meat, especially if it is someone else's meat.  Basically the CSS file did not have the contents I expected.  All is well now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 23, 2009, 12:38:12 AM
So here's something for you...

Recently reformatted my HD.  Clean install of Vista Premium.  Everything updated, all drivers, etc.  Reinstalled a few games from Steam, the SOE launcher, and that's basically it.  Here I am trying to run Ventrilo, but it keeps crashing due to a problem with the Skype add-in for Internet Explorer.  I don't have Skype.  I've never had Skype.  I don't have the add-in in IE. 

Vent crashes because of it, IE crashes because of it, SOE Launcher crashes.   

Free and clear of viri, malware, etc.

Also, trying to log into gmail is an excercise in frustration.  All it does it refresh.

Double You Tee Eff, mate?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 23, 2009, 01:13:16 AM
uhm, what's saying that its skype? And what does the Event Viewer say?

(in case you don't know, you find the Event Viewer by right-clicking 'computer', selecting 'Manage', then looking under Windows Logs in Event Viewer. There look at both System and Application


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 23, 2009, 04:54:02 AM
When it crashes, it gives you the option of closing the program or checking online for a solution.  Clicking online for a solution brings up this page:


Here is more crash info:



Here is the Event Viewer says specifically about the Ventrilo crash:
Faulting application Ventrilo.exe, version 3.0.4.0, time stamp 0x49186cdc, faulting module ntdll.dll,
version 6.0.6001.18000, time stamp 0x4791adec, exception code 0xc0000374, fault offset 0x00000000000a6e97,
process id 0x83c, application start time 0x01c97d46ce212322.

I have what seems to be in the hundreds of error messages for DistributedCOM, that pretty much all say the same thing:The machine-default permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{BC866CF2-5486-41F7-B46B-9AA49CF3EBB1}
 to the user NT AUTHORITY\NETWORK SERVICE SID (S-1-5-20) from address LocalHost (Using LRPC). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

All I know to do is do a fresh install of Vista .


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on January 23, 2009, 06:47:17 AM
If the problem is with a add-in in IE just disable the Add-in.  You should be able to go to Control Panel > Internet Options and disable the Add-in from there, or at least see if it's loading.  You could also download Hijack This! and disable it that way if it's doing something in IE it shouldn't.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 23, 2009, 09:39:50 AM
Uhm, I think he's already said that there is no skype, and there is no identifiable add-in. I think that Vista is confusing the vent module with skype. Its possible that they use some of the same .dll files and hence Vista thinks its Skype.

For starters, I would uninstall Ventrilo, then run CCleaner's registry 'fixer'. Be sure to back up the registry changes (the program lets you do that). Restrart the machine.

Also, for the heck of it, go through the add-ins in IE and see if there are any unneeded add-ins active.

Finally, reinstall Vent and see how it goes.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 23, 2009, 12:37:18 PM
Did a reinstall of vent, but no luck.  I'll check out the CCleaner registery fixer and see what happens. 

Something hasn't been right with the install since the beginning, so I'm thinking about just redoing everything this weekend and seeing what happens.  Vista only takes about 30 minutes to install, and about 2 hrs to update so, won't take long.

Edit:  Thanks for the help, btw.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 23, 2009, 01:04:56 PM
What's the best way to calibrate your monitor? Just got my dell monitor, but it's 50 on all settings and looks terrible.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 23, 2009, 01:57:16 PM
I use AVIA and DVE, along with a set of filters for color. Just set it like I would an LCD tv.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 23, 2009, 04:58:48 PM
I'm beginning to think DVI isn't that good. It locks out auto-adjust, colour settings and the other settings (clock, phase..etc)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 23, 2009, 05:12:40 PM
On my Vista re-install, do I just need to do the Windows Update, or would it be better to download SP1 and run it after Vista is installed?  Then do whatever updates I need to do?

Only bad thing about re-installing is having to yank 2GB of RAM since it fairly always causes a crash if I try and install with 4GB.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 23, 2009, 06:16:35 PM
In general, its safe to apply an SP right out of the box, but then again, this is Vista, so...not sure. You could run WU, and if the first update to install is SP1, cancel out and run the update from your previously downloaded version. If not, and it wants some prior updates first, go that route.

I'm also trying to remember why your installation of Vista would balk at 4 gig. XP before SP2 would indeed barf, but that's another matter.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on January 23, 2009, 06:48:10 PM
Early (or early-ish) versions of Vista would get a BSOD and 0x00000000E or something error after the first restart when it was installing.  Google 'vista premium 4gb install problem' and it wil give you plenty of info if you're at all curious. 

There's a hotfix for it, and is also covered in the SP1 release.  Doesn't do me much good on install however so 2GB has to come out.  :oh_i_see:

Edit:  Re-installed Vista, everything is peachy.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 24, 2009, 02:37:09 AM
What's the best way to calibrate your monitor? Just got my dell monitor, but it's 50 on all settings and looks terrible.

Depends on your need. If you're wanting to do proper photo work on it then I'd strongly suggest a hardware calibrator like a Huey or a Spyder. Otherwise then you can just use simple tools like Adobe Gamma.

Good page on basic calibration here (http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/monitor_calibration.htm).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 24, 2009, 03:55:21 PM
What's the longest DVI or VGA monitor cable I can get? Ideally it's like 10-12'.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 24, 2009, 05:37:38 PM
5 meters is the dvi spec, though I've used 25' with no problems. For vga, I've used 12' cables with no problems.

Cables from http://www.monoprice.com (http://www.monoprice.com) specifically.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 24, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
Need to pick up a DVD-RW drive, any specific brand to look for or avoid?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 24, 2009, 06:10:29 PM
Lite-On is the largest maker so many of the "name" brand drives like HP and some of the Sony's are just Lite-On drives. I have a few (as Lite-On drives and rebadged drives) and they work fine though I haven't been trying to make copies of copy protected game discs these days so I'm not sure what people recommend for that application these days.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 24, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
5 meters is the dvi spec, though I've used 25' with no problems. For vga, I've used 12' cables with no problems.

Cables from http://www.monoprice.com (http://www.monoprice.com) specifically.
Ok great, thanks. Never been to that site either. Good source.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 24, 2009, 08:12:00 PM
Ok, new problem:

I have a Creative Sound Blaster X-fi card on the below machine. A few months ago I went from WinXP to Vista Ultimate. Prior to switching, I on occasion I'd use a headset for gaming. Been awhile though, and trying again today I've run into nothing but trouble.

1. Finally getting behind the box, I see I have two different sets of ports. Turns out my on-board sound supports surround sound, because I've got a number of ports for that. The X-fi card though only has four ports, and into one goes the headphone part. The other seems to pull double-duty between Optical In or Microphone. I assume it knows how to recognize the difference.
2. I tried launching the Creative Audio Console software; however, while it has three modes (Entertainment, Audio Creation, Gaming), it only allows me to launch into one of them (Audio Creation). If I launch either of the other modes, I get the message "The console for the current mode of your audio device cannot be launched. The console may not be installed, or may not be installed properly".
3. Even in just the Audio Creation mode, "The recording device cannot be used."
4. Thinking the drivers were out of date, I downloaded newer ones from Apr 2, 2008. When the actual installation begins though I get an error that the audio device is not recognized.
5. So I google'd up a separate set of drivers, found a link on some trade journal to a different (and more recent) version, downloaded and installed. That installation went fine. Had to uninstall the old drivers, install new ones, uninstall the audio console altogether, install a new one.
6. I quit the entire Audio Console just to see if that was causing a problem with the mic. Using Sound Recorder, I get nothing. Using the Speech Recorder wizard, I get nothing.

None of this solved the problem. The only mode I can use is Audio Creation and it still doesn't recognize the mic.

Specs:

Motherboard:  Asus P5N32-E SLI nForce 680i SLI Chipset
Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 2x1024mb RAM
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6600 (2x 2.4GHz)
Power Supply: NZXT PRC-550 550W Power Supply (SLI-Ready)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Sound: Creative Lab Sound Blaster X-Fi
Hard Drive: 250gb SATA-II 7200rpm


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 24, 2009, 10:08:01 PM
I'm not familiar with the X-Fi cards, but that seems really strange to me. (Edit: having a control panel to activate the ports is the weird part, you should be able to do what you want without a SB specific control panel, just the Windows Sound applet).

Can't you use your onboard card instead? Just put your headset in SPEAKER and mic in MIC? Then, if you really want, pipe your "normal" sound through the SB card to your desktop speakers.

Which X-Fi is it?

Edit: I do see that they recommend OpenAL drivers for Vista (http://www.soundblaster.com/products/gaming/article.asp?articleID=62367&categoryID=13), so check those out if you haven't.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 24, 2009, 10:08:49 PM
This is somewhat of a tech question, I think.

Anyway, turns out my computer problems are directly related to the combination of my video card and my motherboard. Neither of which can be returned now, so whose tech support should I be hounding over this? I'm leaning towards Asus (Motherboard) because I've always thought mobos were compatible with all video cards.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 24, 2009, 10:19:58 PM
This is somewhat of a tech question, I think.

Anyway, turns out my computer problems are directly related to the combination of my video card and my motherboard. Neither of which can be returned now, so whose tech support should I be hounding over this? I'm leaning towards Asus (Motherboard) because I've always thought mobos were compatible with all video cards.
What's the problem? I would blame the video card first.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 24, 2009, 10:26:14 PM
Ok, new problem:

I have a Creative Sound Blaster X-fi card on the below machine. A few months ago I went from WinXP to Vista Ultimate. Prior to switching, I on occasion I'd use a headset for gaming. Been awhile though, and trying again today I've run into nothing but trouble.

1. Finally getting behind the box, I see I have two different sets of ports. Turns out my on-board sound supports surround sound, because I've got a number of ports for that. The X-fi card though only has four ports, and into one goes the headphone part. The other seems to pull double-duty between Optical In or Microphone. I assume it knows how to recognize the difference.

A couple of things:

The universal color for the mike jack is red. It should be so colored on the back of your x-fi card, next to the green for the headphones/speakers jack.

Secondly, does your case have a front panel with a mike/headphone connection? Open up the box and see where that cable is going. Its probably hooked up to your motherboard, so you should disconnect it from your motherboard and plug it into your sound card (somewhere on your sound card should be a bank of pins, 2 rows, that fit the 'plug' of your front panel audio inputs)

Once you have that set up, try the headphones again, but this time using the front panel. See if that fixes it. You may have a defective mike jack at the back of your sound card, or, alternately, having the front panel hooked into your mobo (if that was the case) could have been causing some internal confusing. Now that you have it hooked into your sound card proper, the confusion may disappear.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 24, 2009, 10:42:09 PM
Hmm, good questions.

So, I have a headphone and mic jack on the front (bottom right side) which I'll trace the wires for. I also have the X-fi card itself (four ports) and then another card above that which appears to be onboard because on the inside it's just a tiny nothing card with a white wire to the board.

I also get three options for sound in WoW: System Default, Regular Speakers (X-fi), SPDIF Out (X-fi). I have no idea what that third one is.

Finally, if the wires thing doesn't solve it I'll go with Viin's AL driver link.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 24, 2009, 11:10:07 PM
What's the problem? I would blame the video card first.
It's hard to say. No one really knows the exact problem, but from what I can gather there's a feature in the P5Q mobo that drops the voltage on the video card slowly causing it to kill itself.

A very detailed explanation from one person here (http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20080713214821640&board_id=1&model=P5Q&page=1&SLanguage=en-us). Some people say turning off half the energy saving/performance features fixes it, but it's brutal having to reboot and wait for the system to lock up again. It took about an hour last time.

The problem being is that one guy reported his video card breaking from the voltage issue, so I don't know if mine is broken or if it's fine and I can keep trying all the bios option fixes.

Edit: Probably the video card. Problem is, even if I do RMA the card, they're only going to send me another one that won't work.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on January 25, 2009, 12:06:09 AM
What's the longest DVI or VGA monitor cable I can get? Ideally it's like 10-12'.

I have used a 50' VGA for a projector, worked great but being a projector the resolution wasn't all that high (1024x768)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Grimwell on January 25, 2009, 02:55:09 AM
You have $200. You want to buy an ATX motherboard that is SLI friendly. The computer this board will support exists only to game. What do you buy?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 25, 2009, 03:02:08 AM
You have $200. You want to buy an ATX motherboard that is SLI friendly. The computer this board will support exists only to game. What do you buy?
Just to be clear do you want SLI (NVIDIA) or Crossfire (AMD/ATI) support?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on January 25, 2009, 03:06:55 AM
You have $200. You want to buy an ATX motherboard that is SLI friendly. The computer this board will support exists only to game. What do you buy?
Just to be clear do you want SLI (NVIDIA) or Crossfire (AMD/ATI) support?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 25, 2009, 03:07:58 AM
"SLI" is used by many people as a generic term for multiple cards.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on January 25, 2009, 03:09:15 AM
I suppose maybe!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 25, 2009, 03:10:42 AM
Well you probably weren't old enough to remember the Voodoo SLI setup :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on January 25, 2009, 03:14:25 AM
Well you probably weren't old enough to remember the Voodoo SLI setup :awesome_for_real:

Pfffffffffffft.

I had SLI'd modems. It works for everything in pairs, rite?  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 25, 2009, 09:54:35 AM
Can't you use your onboard card instead? Just put your headset in SPEAKER and mic in MIC? Then, if you really want, pipe your "normal" sound through the SB card to your desktop speakers.

Which X-Fi is it?

Edit: I do see that they recommend OpenAL drivers for Vista (http://www.soundblaster.com/products/gaming/article.asp?articleID=62367&categoryID=13), so check those out if you haven't.

Did a bunch of poking around this morning. It appears the front jacks are not connected (looks like they never were, which I guess makes sense). The onboard card also doesn't work, so I'm guessing it was turned off at assembly (iBuyPower). That onboard card does have the standard red port that Engels talked about though.

It's just an X-Fi Audio card, no special pre-/suffixes like Fatal1ty nor Extremewhatver. I downloaded your OpenAL driver and installed it. I don't know if that's the exact thing that fixed the mic, but plugging the microphone wire into the optical/mic port works.

I still can't get the Audio Console to switch from Audio Creation to Entertainment nor Gaming modes, but honestly I don't care. My computer is in the living room and I'm using just-ok headphones so I can still talk with the wife when gaming anyway. I'll get fidelity someday when I build my game room in the basement :-)

Question: if my onboard sound has been disabled (presumably to prevent it conflicting with the X-Fi), how do I turn it back on? I poked around the BIOS but nothing jumped out at me.
The X-Fi optical/mic port pulls double duty. I downloaded you


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 25, 2009, 11:17:47 AM
Options like that should be in the BIOS, but it might be hidden in a sub-menu.  It's also possible the board is smart enough to automatically disable it because you have the X-Fi card installed.  On board sound doesn't tend to work if you have a card as well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 25, 2009, 02:52:09 PM
Ok I'll look in the BIOS again. When I pulled the X-fi out, Vista didn't see a sound capability at all.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on January 25, 2009, 03:19:59 PM
Using Firefox 2.0.0.20

For some reason, a while ago my download manager stopped working. I can open it, but anything I download is done "in the background."

Also, I can't save pictures through the browser. As in, when I right-click and go through the dialog of picking a place and naming and saving the file, it does not work. I can open up an old version of IE that I never use and save just fine.

virus/spyware scans turn up nothing.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 25, 2009, 03:23:10 PM
Have you considered going to Firefox 3? 2.0.0.20 is pretty old :-)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on January 25, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Yeah, but there was talk awhile ago that Ff 3 sucks ass. Has this changed - is the browser acceptable and such now?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 25, 2009, 06:06:11 PM
Just test it out. If it 'sucks ass' (although I can't see how a mozilla browser can illicit such scathing criticism. Safari, sure, but Mozilla?), uninstall it and reinstall 2, which you can probably find somewhere on the FF site, if nto elsewhere (Twocows prolly still hosts a copy).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 25, 2009, 06:42:43 PM
Yeah, but there was talk awhile ago that Ff 3 sucks ass. Has this changed - is the browser acceptable and such now?
Who said FF3 sucks ass? The memory management in FF3 is much better than that bloated POS FF2. Also FF2 is no longer supported (December 2008 was the last month) so if any security issues come up on FF2 you are on your own.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on January 25, 2009, 08:27:10 PM
People here were complaining about it when it first hit, so I stayed away. I guess I'll give it a shot myself.

EDIT: Not surprisingly, upgrading to the newest version fixed the problem.

One annoyance though - every time I download something, it's immediately scanned....any way to turn this off, or at least set exceptions?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Grimwell on January 26, 2009, 09:10:04 AM
You have $200. You want to buy an ATX motherboard that is SLI friendly. The computer this board will support exists only to game. What do you buy?
Just to be clear do you want SLI (NVIDIA) or Crossfire (AMD/ATI) support?

Sorry for the delayed response.

I want SLI = nVidia. It's a personal thing, but I prefer their cards.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Grimwell on January 26, 2009, 09:25:56 AM
I'm thinking this would be good (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523225&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs). Anyone know of a reason I should not buy it?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 26, 2009, 10:50:50 AM
One annoyance though - every time I download something, it's immediately scanned....any way to turn this off, or at least set exceptions?

What is doing the scanning?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 26, 2009, 10:59:25 AM
I'm thinking this would be good (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3523225&csid=ITD&body=MAIN#detailspecs). Anyone know of a reason I should not buy it?
I wasn't happy with the mcp/mosfet/etc cooler on that board, it's one big, long set of heatsinks/pipes, and if you install the (needed) fan, it defaults to blowing the heat from the mcp directly on the back of the primary video card. And evga's response to me was to suggest I lap the bottom of the heatsink system, and bend it until it fit better, while cautioning that it may void the warranty. Would have been workable, but I was annoyed enough to go for an DFI x38 board instead.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Grimwell on January 26, 2009, 11:50:58 AM
You wouldn't happen to have a link to the DFI x38  board you went with would you?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 26, 2009, 03:38:33 PM
I also get three options for sound in WoW: System Default, Regular Speakers (X-fi), SPDIF Out (X-fi). I have no idea what that third one is.
Probably for someone like me running to a home theater, it's a digital out.

Unfortunately, on the X-Fi, you can't get surround sound on the spdif out, you've got to pony up for their breakout box (http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=720&subcategory=736&product=14191).

Speaking of the X-Fi and Vista, whatever became of the issue of hardware sound acceleration in Vista?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 26, 2009, 04:07:17 PM
You wouldn't happen to have a link to the DFI x38  board you went with would you?

I went with the LP LT x38-T2R, there's an x48 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813136046) equivalent that wasn't out when I upgraded. However, if you really need sli you'll need to go with a 780i/790i for core2 or x58 for CoreI7. None of the 780i boards I've looked at seemed laid out well, and the 790i would be over the $200 mark. But if you've already got chip/memory/etc that will point you toward a few specific boards.

I was quite happy with my evga 680i and an evga 680iLT, sli worked fine, no issues. Bit long in the tooth these days though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 26, 2009, 05:46:10 PM
I also get three options for sound in WoW: System Default, Regular Speakers (X-fi), SPDIF Out (X-fi). I have no idea what that third one is.
Probably for someone like me running to a home theater, it's a digital out.

Unfortunately, on the X-Fi, you can't get surround sound on the spdif out, you've got to pony up for their breakout box (http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=720&subcategory=736&product=14191).

What does it allow you to do? Control your components from the computer?

And feh, my freakin' on board sound supports 5.1 Surround (not uber, but it's there if I ever start caring again) and the X-Fi doesn't?!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 26, 2009, 05:52:16 PM
I also get three options for sound in WoW: System Default, Regular Speakers (X-fi), SPDIF Out (X-fi). I have no idea what that third one is.
Probably for someone like me running to a home theater, it's a digital out.

Unfortunately, on the X-Fi, you can't get surround sound on the spdif out, you've got to pony up for their breakout box (http://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=720&subcategory=736&product=14191).

What does it allow you to do? Control your components from the computer?

And feh, my freakin' on board sound supports 5.1 Surround (not uber, but it's there if I ever start caring again) and the X-Fi doesn't?!
X-Fi supports 7.1 analog surround sound out of the output jacks on the card. Sky is talking about digital surround output.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 26, 2009, 05:53:38 PM
I think the whole point of SPDIF is so that you get a clean unprocessed digital signal.  Not something that's already been dorked around with so that you can use a really good piece of equipment on it.  I think the assumption is that the DSP in your multi-thousand dollar audio reciever is a bit better than the 1 dollar part used for the board build in.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 26, 2009, 06:06:07 PM
I think the whole point of SPDIF is so that you get a clean unprocessed digital signal.  Not something that's already been dorked around with so that you can use a really good piece of equipment on it.  I think the assumption is that the DSP in your multi-thousand dollar audio reciever is a bit better than the 1 dollar part used for the board build in.
Yes you would think.

In theory I think it's because many if not most people that are hooking up a surround sound system to their PCs are doing it directly via the computer rather than through a receiver/integrated amplifier first (i.e. their computer is not a dedicated HTPC system). Given the low end nature of the typical PC-centric surround speaker system I don't think they could even tell the difference between analog and digital outputs.

In reality it's just a way for Creative to make a little extra money since they have such a dominate market share they don't have to care if their competitors offer that feature without making people pay extra.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on January 26, 2009, 06:11:04 PM
What does it allow you to do? Control your components from the computer?

And feh, my freakin' on board sound supports 5.1 Surround (not uber, but it's there if I ever start caring again) and the X-Fi doesn't?!
X-Fi supports 7.1 analog surround sound out of the output jacks on the card. Sky is talking about digital surround output.

Oh, ok, that makes more sense.

And I agree with you that there's probably a lot more people hooking up those 5-in-1 Best Buy box deals of speakers/subwoofer directly to their computer than their Harmon Kardon pre-amp across the room  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 26, 2009, 06:11:40 PM
Speaking of the X-Fi and Vista, whatever became of the issue of hardware sound acceleration in Vista?
http://connect.creativelabs.com/openal/default.aspx


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 26, 2009, 06:31:53 PM
You wouldn't happen to have a link to the DFI x38  board you went with would you?
The DFI LanParty X38 boards use the Intel X38 chipset which means they have CrossFire not SLI support. The DFI LanParty site is here:

http://www.dfi.com.tw/portal/CM/cmproduct

but it doesn't look like they sell any Intel CPU/NVIDIA chipset motherboards in that line anymore.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 26, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
Good motherboard to get since the P5Q has issues with EVGA cards? Preferably without any silly "green" power saving options.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on January 26, 2009, 07:16:50 PM
One annoyance though - every time I download something, it's immediately scanned....any way to turn this off, or at least set exceptions?

What is doing the scanning?

Firefox itself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 26, 2009, 07:41:06 PM
One annoyance though - every time I download something, it's immediately scanned....any way to turn this off, or at least set exceptions?

What is doing the scanning?

Firefox itself.

I didn't know it could do that... what is it looking for?  Virii?  Maybe it is an add-on.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on January 26, 2009, 09:28:12 PM
Are you sure it's not your virus scanner working through Firefox?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on January 26, 2009, 09:45:56 PM
Straz is talking about a default feature of Firefox. It automatically does some quick scan of everything you download when it finishes.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 27, 2009, 12:47:13 AM
Straz is talking about a default feature of Firefox. It automatically does some quick scan of everything you download when it finishes.
No Firefox isn't doing the scanning, it's integrating with any virus scanner you have installed:

http://blog.kaizeku.com/ua/firefox/how-to-disabled-firefox-3-dowload-manager-automated-anti-virus-scan/


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 27, 2009, 09:38:10 AM
What does it allow you to do? Control your components from the computer?
Nothing. It just sits there. But it's the only way to get digital surround sound to my receiver.

I got spoiled with the old Soundstorm chip, that was the best onboard sound evar. DD5.1 hardware on a mobo? Hell yeah. When that died, I tried running an Auzentech X-Plosion, which was based on the Soundstorm setup. The drivers were god-fucking-awful, Oblivion was unplayable due to a (still) unresolved sound bug that cropped up in a few other games. I finally bit the bullet and went for the X-Fi, then had to scramble to find the way to connect it digitally to my setup.

Pain in the butt and cost me $$ (the linked box was more like $100 a couple years ago, plus the X-Fi), but now I have great sound, so it's worth it in the long run.

Murgos brings up the main problem, though I haven't really seen any tangible effects: It's D/A to A/D rather than a straight digital signal. Fucking Creative.

Trippy, thanks for that link. Very informative! (and thanks for not letmegooglethatforyou'ing me)

Quote
There is always one Listener object (per audio context), which represents the position where the sources are heard -- rendering is done from the perspective of the Listener.
That seems like a silly limitation. What it you wanted to have a speaker that is playing real-time sound from another area. You'd need a Listener for the main actor and a Listener for the microphone feeding the speaker.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on January 27, 2009, 09:14:22 PM
HomePlug.  Somehow I managed to forget all about this technology but it could solve my LAN problem.  Has anyone had any experience with this?  Gotchas?

Answering my own question for the benefit of everyone.  It's really cool, assuming your outlets are actually connected.  Summary is that my 360 and PS3 are now wired, and my DirecTV receiver will be as well once I put in the IP config.  I got the ZyXEL PLA-470 (four port brick) from newegg.com but I had to get the PLA-401 (one port wall wart) from somewhere less awesome since newegg only has the 470 for some reason.  Unfortunately my remote equipment just disconnected and I'm not sure what's up.  I can see both MACs from the local side (router/DSL/rig side upstairs) but the PS3 isn't getting connected after some great downloading.  I will try a few things, such as going back to DHCP, before I get angry and punch a cat.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 29, 2009, 07:26:13 AM
Can anyone give me some simple advice on connecting a TV, PS3 and surround sound system?

I've got a Sony Bravia (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-w-series/kdl-40w4500) TV, a PS3 and a Sony Home Theatre (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hcs-cinema-surround-kit/ht-ss1300) all-in-one thingy and there's so many connection options that I'm confused.

I presume that just an optical cable from PS3 to the HTSS will do for that bit of it, or would HDMI be better? And for the TV do I want an HDMI for audio output from the HTSS to the TV and an optical cable for TV output to the HTSS (i.e. for broadcast channel viewing)?

Does that sound reasonable or would there be a better way?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 29, 2009, 08:40:36 AM
Can anyone give me some simple advice on connecting a TV, PS3 and surround sound system?

I've got a Sony Bravia (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-w-series/kdl-40w4500) TV, a PS3 and a Sony Home Theatre (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hcs-cinema-surround-kit/ht-ss1300) all-in-one thingy and there's so many connection options that I'm confused.

I presume that just an optical cable from PS3 to the HTSS will do for that bit of it, or would HDMI be better? And for the TV do I want an HDMI for audio output from the HTSS to the TV and an optical cable for TV output to the HTSS (i.e. for broadcast channel viewing)?

Does that sound reasonable or would there be a better way?

HDMI from everything to the HTSS.  HDMI out from HTSS to TV.  Done.

Optical cable, despite being called optical (it means fiber optic) is often only a digital audio transport.

edit: Let me rephrase before Trippy corrects me.  Optical out on Home Theater/Audio equipment is generally only used to transport digital audio and not digital video (although it could, I guess they don't due to DRM issues).  HDMI carries both digital video and digital audio.

edit2: wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on January 29, 2009, 08:56:48 AM
Can anyone give me some simple advice on connecting a TV, PS3 and surround sound system?

I've got a Sony Bravia (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-w-series/kdl-40w4500) TV, a PS3 and a Sony Home Theatre (http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hcs-cinema-surround-kit/ht-ss1300) all-in-one thingy and there's so many connection options that I'm confused.

I presume that just an optical cable from PS3 to the HTSS will do for that bit of it, or would HDMI be better? And for the TV do I want an HDMI for audio output from the HTSS to the TV and an optical cable for TV output to the HTSS (i.e. for broadcast channel viewing)?

Does that sound reasonable or would there be a better way?

HDMI carries video and sound, and makes everything easier. toslink is just for sound.
hdmi from the ps3 to the Home Theatre, hdmi from the Home Theatre to the tv. If your television signal is from an antenna using the tv's internal tuner, then optical out (sound only of course, the pics already on the tv!) from the tv to the htss. If you're using a cable/sky/plus/whatever box for tv signal, hdmi from that to the htss. That's pretty much how I have my system set up. hdmi for everything except ota sound, which goes from the tv to receiver, so I can watch the occasional program over the good speakers.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 29, 2009, 09:13:50 AM
Awesome thankyou guys. So all I need to get is one more HDMI cable and I'm good to go. Right.... off to Argos then  :why_so_serious:

 :heart:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on January 29, 2009, 09:16:10 AM
Awesome thankyou guys. So all I need to get is one more HDMI cable and I'm good to go. Right.... off to Argos then  :why_so_serious:

 :heart:

Just because your back is better doesn't mean you have to travel to Greece just to get an HDMI cable. If you do, say hi to the Darkfall guys for me!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on February 01, 2009, 07:39:41 PM
Ok, so between these video cards, which one would be the best bang for my buck:

Sapphire ATI RADEON HD 4850 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=018942&cid=999.243.272)

Asus EAH4850 (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=018957&cid=999.243.272)

XFX GeForce 9800GT (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=019957&cid=999.243.390)

Asus EN9800GT HYBRIDPOWER (http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=019656&cid=999.243.390)

Once again, EVGA is not an option.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
The 4850 is the faster GPU (the 4850 is actually a match for the 9800 GTX/GTX+). Only you can decide if that's worth the extra $20.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on February 01, 2009, 10:16:47 PM
Eh, what's $20. Anything wrong with Sapphire that you know of? Reviews check out, but I've never really seen a terrible review.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 01, 2009, 10:19:15 PM
Sapphire used to make ATI's "reference" boards. Dunno if that's still true post AMD acquisition.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Jobu on February 03, 2009, 01:11:20 PM
Anyone know a tool to test video card RAM the same way I would test system RAM with Memtest?

I suspect my video card is on the fritz. I re-installed XP over Vista64 (thinking it was a driver issue) but I still get the same weird behavior. I don't have a spare video card to throw into the mix, so I need to find a way to test it out.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on February 03, 2009, 01:38:29 PM
Eh, what's $20. Anything wrong with Sapphire that you know of? Reviews check out, but I've never really seen a terrible review.
When I had an ATI board, it was Sapphire. Partly for the reason Trippy mentioned, partly because it was a great board. This was a while ago, though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on February 04, 2009, 07:56:31 PM
Trying to add two more 1gb sticks to my computer. Mobo is Asus P5N32-E C2D E6600. I bought it with 2gbs already installed (two sticks of 1gb DDR1). So I purchase two more sticks from Newegg, the same type (Corsair XMS2) and install them.

The first time I did that was a week ago. Computer would crash right before the Vista login screen. One stick would work (for 3gbs) but not the second (for 4gbs). Figuring a bad RAM stick, I return the bad one. Then I get told I needed to return both, so do that.

Today I get the new set and install. This time the computer won't even get the Asus screen. And I cannot enter the BIOS setup menu. Just hangs, no matter how long I leave it. So I pull out one of the sticks and it works fine, albeit with 3gbs. Some guesses:

1) Is it possible I get ANOTHER bad RAM stick? This would be extreme for me. I have never ever received bad RAM, in 20 years of mucking with the innards of computers.

2) Could I have a bad RAM slot? That would suck but I'd live with it, probably return this RAM and buy two 2gb sticks. If I understand the manual correctly, since this is dual channel, whatever I put in the left two slots I need to match in the right two. So if one slot on the left is out, to get 4gbs, I'd need to remove all RAM and just put in to two 2gb sticks. Question here: can I go to 6gb down the road by adding one more 2gb even if I leave the last (broken) slot empty?

3) Could I be missing something in the BIOS? There's an option on the Extreme Tweaker tab at the bottom called "Memory Config" or something like that, but it is greyed out.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 04, 2009, 08:12:55 PM
Sounds like you need this (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=91672c7c-614b-404c-850c-377541e93c18&displaylang=en) update from Microsoft.  Take out the additional RAM, download the update and install.  If it prompts you to restart, go ahead and do so.  After getting back to desktop, shut it down, install the RAM.  Then power back up.  Bing badaboom badda bing.

Also, there's some setting called Extended Memory (I think) in the ASUS bios that you need to enable otherwise it won't recognize the additional 2GB.  At least there is on my ASUS P5N-D 750i SLI.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on February 04, 2009, 08:34:09 PM
Hmm. That seems to only apply to 64bit Vista. I should have mentioned I only have Vista 32.

I think it was the Extended Memory thing in my BIOS that was grayed out. I can't remember the last time I updated the BIOS. Maybe that alone should inspire me to?  :wink:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 04, 2009, 09:11:44 PM
I don't think Vista 32 supports more than 3GB of RAM.  Might be your problem?  A quick google search revealed quite a few people that seem to have had the same problem.  Anyway, according to this (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929777/en-us) page, that same KB929777 update works for both 32 bit and 64 bit versions.

Bios updating?  Eh, I don't update unless I start having problems but that's just me.  Same for drivers.

Then again, it might be worth removing what your old RAM that you know is good, and trying the new 2GB you're not quite sure about.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on February 04, 2009, 10:01:46 PM
I had 4GB of RAM in my 32bit Vista install no problems .. are they the same speed/type as your originals? (DDR2 800s maybe?) Do both new sticks by themselves work?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on February 05, 2009, 02:28:32 PM
Yes on them being the same as the original. I'm going to try and swap them tonight. I didn't realize KB929777 would work for Vista32. That'll be step two.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 05, 2009, 02:38:02 PM
I would say 'step up to Vista 64', but W7 is around the proverbial corner.  So, meh. 

But yeah, get that update and you should be good to go (assuming your RAM is, in fact, good).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on February 05, 2009, 05:54:45 PM
Thanks, trying that in a bit.

Separate question: Charter is going to cap my tier of cable modem speeds to 100g a month. What program can I get to get a sense for how much bandwidth I use?  I think in way far south of 100gbs, but I want to be sure.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 05, 2009, 07:11:17 PM
There's a widget gidget gadget thing for the Vista sidebar that keeps up with it I believe.  I know Schild uses something that tells him how much bandwidth he consumes.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on February 06, 2009, 04:52:23 AM
If they're capping you don't they have a webpage you can visit to check?

My ISP has one but it's broken about 50% of the time and when it's broken they don't enforce the caps  :drill:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 06, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
Web browsers on linux.  Which one is the easiest to get up and running and will display at least 90% of what I surf to?  Alternatively, maybe I want a codex pack for Firefox 3 so video.google.com doesn't make it go catatonic?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 06, 2009, 02:11:19 PM
I'm using RHEL and ubuntu that come default with Mozilla Firefox 3.0.6 and after installing flash, it runs just fine. Can you define catatonia? This is on an old P4 with 512 ram and a Radeon X600.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 06, 2009, 02:33:35 PM
Catatonia = hangs up, at least when I'm trying to use video.google.com, requiring me to either wait some indeterminate period or terminate the process.  It occasionally works but is choppy, perhaps due to CPU?  It's a AMD XP 3000+. There were three choices for swf player, seems I chose poorly?  If it matters, this is Firefox 3 on Ubuntu 8.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 06, 2009, 03:00:15 PM
I think I picked the, what, 3rd option down for Debian linux (Ubuntu)? But I think your problem may be slightly different. Sometimes Ubuntu doesn't really install the 'real' device drivers for your vid card and fudges it. Then flash will run like crap. Can you see if its running the right drivers? ATI cards, for example, have 'restricted' drivers that are not installed by default by Ubuntu and need to be specially 'authorised' by you to download and install.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 06, 2009, 03:05:53 PM
I installed the "restricted" drivers for the vid card.  Those might still be the problem, though.  Stupid linux.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 06, 2009, 03:24:44 PM
Yeeeah, I've had touch and go luck with ATI. Its so odd how ATI drags its feet about Linux.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 06, 2009, 05:43:51 PM
So, today one of the department heads decided it was time to clean out a back storage area filled with soil samples and ancient equipment. We discovered some ancient IBM PCs, so I am now typing from an ancient Model M IBM keyboard! Schild was totally right that this thing is the BOMB to type on.

Here's a few pics:





Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on February 06, 2009, 06:26:19 PM
I don't think Vista 32 supports more than 3GB of RAM.  Might be your problem?  A quick google search revealed quite a few people that seem to have had the same problem.  Anyway, according to this (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929777/en-us) page, that same KB929777 update works for both 32 bit and 64 bit versions.

Tried this finally. Didn't work. Said I didn't have the right configuration for it. And this was after I went to the page that said this patch was for "Windows Vista" generic. I also moved the RAM around. It's not the RAM slots (thankfully). I think the schmucks sent back to me what I just returned to them. I really can't calculate the probability that the second version of the same SKU also had one busted RAM stick. I'm trying to find a subtle way to mark these so when I return them I can see if they do it again. Wish my local Circuit Cities still had RAM left.

@apocrypha: Good point. I can't find it at Charter.net, so will probably just call once I receive the official notice about this policy.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on February 06, 2009, 06:29:17 PM
So, today one of the department heads decided it was time to clean out a back storage area filled with soil samples and ancient equipment. We discovered some ancient IBM PCs, so I am now typing from an ancient Model M IBM keyboard! Schild was totally right that this thing is the BOMB to type on.

You found SOME IBM PCs?

Get me another one plz.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 06, 2009, 10:03:17 PM
Web browsers on linux.  Which one is the easiest to get up and running and will display at least 90% of what I surf to?  Alternatively, maybe I want a codex pack for Firefox 3 so video.google.com doesn't make it go catatonic?
Are you using a 64-bit version of Ubuntu?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ragnoros on February 07, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
I want to play DoW II. But my old X850 only supports up to Pixel Shader 2.0b and DoW requires 3.0 or higher.

I was more than happy with my X850 for playing Fallout 3. ( the newest, most system testing game I own ) And if it were not for the fact that DoW won't even run under PS 2.0 I would not upgrade.

But anyway, tl;dr: What's the best bang-for-your-buck video card around the $80-$120 range?
I have been using ATI for my last two cards but I an not adverse to Nvidia. I'll do some of my own reaserch, but you guys are always helpful snarky so figured I would ask here.

Fake Edit: Do we still do strikethrough? I heard green was out.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 07, 2009, 09:47:11 AM
Cheap vid card?  You could always buy one or both of my 8800GTS G92's if I decide to sell them  Lifetime transferable warranty, never overclocked, aprox 1 year old, like new!! :grin:

Which brings me to...

Thinking about buying one of those snazzy GTX295's.  I'm currently running the aforementioned GTS's in SLI (x16 at each slot) at 1920x1200 resolution.  Am I going to see a measureable increase in performance?  Or will I see a bottleneck at my proc (oc'd q6600 at 3.2ghz) or my RAM (4GB 4-4-4-12 Ballistix) that will limit those gains?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 07, 2009, 11:01:21 AM
I want to play DoW II. But my old X850 only supports up to Pixel Shader 2.0b and DoW requires 3.0 or higher.

I was more than happy with my X850 for playing Fallout 3. ( the newest, most system testing game I own ) And if it were not for the fact that DoW won't even run under PS 2.0 I would not upgrade.

But anyway, tl;dr: What's the best bang-for-your-buck video card around the $80-$120 range?
I have been using ATI for my last two cards but I an not adverse to Nvidia. I'll do some of my own reaserch, but you guys are always helpful snarky so figured I would ask here.

Fake Edit: Do we still do strikethrough? I heard green was out.
If you want to stick with ATI then if you can find one on sale or with a rebate for ~$120 get a 4850 otherwise get the 4830.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 07, 2009, 12:34:55 PM
So, today one of the department heads decided it was time to clean out a back storage area filled with soil samples and ancient equipment. We discovered some ancient IBM PCs, so I am now typing from an ancient Model M IBM keyboard! Schild was totally right that this thing is the BOMB to type on.

You found SOME IBM PCs?

Get me another one plz.

Ah, there were only 2 keyboards, and one of them has the old keyboard connection, not the ps2 kind. I'm not even sure this second one works.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on February 07, 2009, 03:34:57 PM
So, today one of the department heads decided it was time to clean out a back storage area filled with soil samples and ancient equipment. We discovered some ancient IBM PCs, so I am now typing from an ancient Model M IBM keyboard! Schild was totally right that this thing is the BOMB to type on.

You found SOME IBM PCs?

Get me another one plz.

Ah, there were only 2 keyboards, and one of them has the old keyboard connection, not the ps2 kind. I'm not even sure this second one works.

5 pin din to ps2 converter (http://www.restockit.com/Belkin-Pro-Series-Keyboard-Converter-Cable-Keyboard-Adapter-6-Pin-PS-2-M-5-Pin-DIN-F-6-In-(664044).html?source=froogle&Bvar5=100F1&Bvar6=100F1&Bvar7=100F1)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 07, 2009, 07:51:40 PM
Yep, in fact, in the detritus of the college's basements there is probably a drawer full of them. Unfortunately, my duties prevent me from a full archeological expedition.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on February 08, 2009, 12:20:27 PM
Thanks, trying that in a bit.

Separate question: Charter is going to cap my tier of cable modem speeds to 100g a month. What program can I get to get a sense for how much bandwidth I use?  I think in way far south of 100gbs, but I want to be sure.

Bitmeter (http://www.download.com/BitMeter/3000-2381_4-10398686.html)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Thrawn on February 09, 2009, 01:58:50 PM
So my computer has just been having more and more problems lately and it's acting up again now and I'm having a tough time pinpointing whats causing the issues.  As most of it is pushing 3 years old I'm way overdue for an overhaul.  But $$ is a bit tight.

Do you think I can do a decent upgrade for <$500?  Or at least something close to that without buying no-name crap parts.  The case, monitor, hard drives, dvd drives should all be good still.  Currently I'm running -

Windows XP
GeForce 7600
4gb DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) (Yes, I know)
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+

I'm assuming I'll need/want new MB, CPU, PSU, Memory and Video Card.  Whats the way to go right now, Intel or AMD?

I'm not looking for someone to spoon feed me an exact setup (unless they feel generous) but I haven't been keeping up real well on my hardware lately so an idea of what direction to look at would be great.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 09, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
Web browsers on linux.  Which one is the easiest to get up and running and will display at least 90% of what I surf to?  Alternatively, maybe I want a codex pack for Firefox 3 so video.google.com doesn't make it go catatonic?
Are you using a 64-bit version of Ubuntu?

Pretty sure I am not.  I think the AMD XP 3000+ is 32-bit?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on February 09, 2009, 02:33:26 PM
I just did this, new p5q mobo, core 2 duo, 4 gig PC8500, Radeon 4850  came in at $480ish after shipping and tax, so if your current PSU can handle it you might be okay.

Fair warning I did end up dumping another $150 on a case and cpu fan 2 weeks later due to some heat issues (thinking my 12 year old single fan case couldn't keep up with the ATI card).

here is sort of what i went with:
mobo $97 (seems like it was cheaper when i bought it) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131347)
E8400 CPU $165 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037)
4 gig ram $52 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104097)
ATI 4850 (asus branded) $165 (was $150 w/o rebates when I bought mine) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121272)

I left out the mail in rebates for the above but seems like there were about $50 worth all told.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 09, 2009, 10:02:10 PM
Web browsers on linux.  Which one is the easiest to get up and running and will display at least 90% of what I surf to?  Alternatively, maybe I want a codex pack for Firefox 3 so video.google.com doesn't make it go catatonic?
Are you using a 64-bit version of Ubuntu?
Pretty sure I am not.  I think the AMD XP 3000+ is 32-bit?
Yeah the Athlon XP is 32-bit only. Shouldn't be so hard, then, to get Flash working.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 09, 2009, 11:59:09 PM
I think that its not so much flash as that the ATI drivers for Ubuntu blow goats. A while back I managed, finally, to get Ubuntu's graphic drivers for ATI to work as expected, but I had to do some pretty in depth research to find the 'right ones'. This was about two years ago, I must say, so I can't be certain that the solution would be the same. However, that it still doesn't work right doesn't surprise me much.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 10, 2009, 11:27:09 AM
Ok.  Bought the Zalman CNPS9700 LED fan/heatsink.

Probably should have asked this before I bought it, but will it be able to utilize the mobo's (ASUS P5N-D 750i SLI) automatic fan control or do I have to use the external fan speed control?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 10, 2009, 12:28:07 PM
Ok.  Bought the Zalman CNPS9700 LED fan/heatsink.

Probably should have asked this before I bought it, but will it be able to utilize the mobo's (ASUS P5N-D 750i SLI) automatic fan control or do I have to use the external fan speed control?
The fan in the 9700 supports PWM control so it'll work with your motherboard fan controller.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 10, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
Thanks, man.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 11, 2009, 04:47:28 PM
Intardnet question...

I've got Comcast as my service provider, and my plan is the 8MB down / 2MB up.  I rarely break 1MB down, usually averages about 800kb/s.  Occasionally on the start of the initial download I'll hit 2MB down, but it lasts about 2 seconds.  Is there *any* reason I should use the 8MB over the 3MB service?  Is this a problem with Comcast throttling their own download speeds, or is it a problem with my neighborhood size (about 50 houses - unknown how many have broadband, but guessing all of them).  It doesn't matter what time of day, it just seems that my DL speeds are capped awfully low for the service I have.  It seems about the same speed as my old 3MB down service.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on February 11, 2009, 05:18:15 PM
Speedtest (http://www.speedtest.net/) will give you an idea of what you're getting. Comcast does different stuff in different places, where I am they're still borking torrents, but I get ~20M down 3M up most times (less between 5pm and 7pm) on a 12M/1.5M plan


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on February 11, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
I have a pretty basic plan, and the speedtest swears I should get 10m down. I don't think I've ever seen anything close to that, but I am willing to bet a big part of that is on the other end of my download.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on February 12, 2009, 08:50:43 AM
Make sure that you are comparing apples to apples.

Sometimes your DL speed will be reported in bytes and sometimes in bits and it can be confusing to see which you are getting.

Also, as someone who actually works with the transmission of bits on a wire there is even more ambiguity there than you are aware of because it usually takes ~10 bits to encode 8 bits of information for transmission and there is other overhead as well (preamble, header, crc and other info you never see, etc...).

So, if you have a connection that is physically capable of moving 10 Mbps you cant really expect it to move a 10 Mb file in 1 second.  So what does a 10 Mbps dl speed really mean?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on February 12, 2009, 09:19:08 AM
So what does a 10 Mbps dl speed really mean?

Hell if I know.  Was hoping you could tell me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 12, 2009, 10:33:36 AM
10Mbps just means "this is faster than 5Mbps".


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 12, 2009, 10:49:26 AM
Sad, but true.

Rarely will you ever get the full capacity of your bandwidth due to intervening networks and overhead.  Mostly it means your chances of having a decent download speed are better.  With luck it might also mean better equipment is used so you tend to have a lower latency.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Nightshade on February 16, 2009, 12:43:56 PM
I can't seem to find any backgrounds that are up to what I would deem to be decent for my MSN messenger wallpaper. Would anyone have links to a site?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on February 16, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
So I like having a quasi-media server PC, but we don't use it nearly enough to justify having it on all the time. What's the best solution:

1) Have it go into Standby mode. Can I wake this up remotely? How? Be accessing a shortcut to the server volume or through my RealVNC connection?
2) Find a method to remote-boot it. Is this software based or hardware?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on February 16, 2009, 02:52:43 PM
Wake on LAN might work, but I'm not 100% sure how that works. If it works in that any device that tries to access the computer over the LAN "wakes" it up, then it should work for you.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 16, 2009, 09:32:37 PM
What's a good video card diagnostic program?  Nvidia 8800 GT.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 16, 2009, 11:06:46 PM
I've never heard of one, to be honest. What is the symptom?

Edit: You could download and install nTune (http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html) or Riva Tuner  (http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=rivatuner) to check the temperature on the GPU, but I don't think they do much more in terms of troubleshooting. NTune has a 'stability test' that you can run as well, but I'm not sure it'll tell you what the problem is if it is a GPU problem. Riva Tuner also says it has a diagnotic ability, but I am not familiar with the program.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 16, 2009, 11:56:17 PM
Usually graphics corruption followed shortly thereafter by a crash.  Typical "dammit my vid card is acting up" stuff, but I'd like a little more to go on than educated guesses and instinct.

Temp is my first concern.  I'll see what nTune tells me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on February 17, 2009, 07:23:54 AM
I know there are programs that check VRAM much in the way MemTest checks normal RAM. Can't quite recall any programs, Sorry Lanty!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 17, 2009, 09:20:20 AM
I was just thinking that I have that same vid card, the 8000 GT, and I had to switch out the cooling fan for an after-market one. The one I got was this Zalman (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118001). It dropped my GPU temp very significantly.

The issue was that the factory cooler had a solid plate of metal as the heating conductor for both the GPU and the ram chips, and just a small piddly fan for all of it. The temps were high, around 70C at idle, hitting 90C at the drop of a hat. With the Zalman, the temp dropped to ~50C at idle, top temp of 75C, well within safety thresholds.

Now GPU heatsink installation is kinda scary to perform, but I found that this particular model was not difficult. The one plus/minus with this particular heatsink is that the fan speed is manually regulated. This is great in terms of noise control, but you sorta have to remember to crank it up during strenuous game play. Its not that loud, but if sound is a factor its something to consider.

Of course, it may be too late for your card if you're already seeing artifacts, but if you don't wanna plonk down a few hundred for a new card, this might be a troubleshooting option.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 17, 2009, 11:41:20 AM
My card has heatpipes, a giant heat sink, plus two fans which are running fine.  I do need to look it over more carefully, but I'm more worried about the failed nVidia board problems catching up with it than it needing a new cooling solution.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on February 17, 2009, 12:37:36 PM
My card has heatpipes, a giant heat sink, plus two fans which are running fine.  I do need to look it over more carefully, but I'm more worried about the failed nVidia board problems catching up with it than it needing a new cooling solution.

I had a similar problem once and it turned out that the fans were clogged with dust.  You can't tell while they are running but if you look at them when they are off it's pretty apparent.

I just cleaned 'em out with a cotton swab and the card was fine after that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 17, 2009, 03:24:21 PM
The fans are the secondary cooling, so I'm not to concerned with how gunked up they are.

Here is my card. (http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1284/3/ecs_geforce_8800gt_accelero_s1_512mb/index.html)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 17, 2009, 04:05:14 PM
Ya, that heatsink is actually considered one of the best on the market for the 8800 GT. That said, if you have old and crusty thermal paste, not even the best heatsink in the world is gonna cool the GPU properly.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 17, 2009, 10:35:17 PM
nTune showed the fan set to cool at 33% speed when running a 3D application and being 46C with basic windows tasks.  Seems a little high for essentially idle.  Cranking it up to max fan speed for 3D kept it at 54C while playing and I didn't have any graphics glitches at all.

Given all that I'm guessing it is a heat issue and I'll just need to make sure everything is clean and maybe reapply some thermal paste.  Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 17, 2009, 10:45:22 PM
nTune showed the fan set to cool at 33% speed when running a 3D application and being 46C with basic windows tasks.  Seems a little high for essentially idle.  Cranking it up to max fan speed for 3D kept it at 54C while playing and I didn't have any graphics glitches at all.

Given all that I'm guessing it is a heat issue and I'll just need to make sure everything is clean and maybe reapply some thermal paste.  Thanks for the help.
GPUs run very hot, even when not doing 3D. My 7800 GT is running at 46C right now just in windows and I can't remember now what the shutdown temp used to be on my GPU (stupid redesigned NVIDIA control panel) but it was above 100C (think maybe 115C?).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 17, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
46 is very respectable for the 8800 chip. That one's pretty hot by nature. Keeping it at 54C while under stress is nothing short of a miracle, really.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 18, 2009, 12:59:47 PM
That's why I chose that card.  But since I've had to change my fan settings (unless multiple upgrades and downgrades made a bad tweak) when it used to work without problem, it had me worried.

I wonder if I can play Mass Effect without it crashing now.  Guess that's a test for this evening.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on February 18, 2009, 02:22:04 PM
My 8800gtx will crash with crysis at max (hacked for "dx10" effects in xp) at 1280x720. I think it runs around high 80s or so. Mid70s is normal, but it runs fine in most apps (except for mumbly mumbly EQ2 cities mumbly texture crash). I've thought about getting another heat-sink, but I just don't play Crysis instead. I do have rivatuner set the fans to 100% on it, because I can barely notice the difference in sound.

My color wheel in the DLP otoh....considering doing surgery to replace that. Been getting loud this year.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on February 18, 2009, 08:56:13 PM
You might want to consider just cleaning whatever dust you may have sitting in you PC. I was getting consistent EQ2 client crashes recently. Opened up my case, and cleaned out the HSFs of my video card and CPU, and cleaned out my case fans.

Runs quieter and flawlessly....well, as flawless as I can get out of a 6+ year old PC.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on February 19, 2009, 10:54:18 AM
No, it's always done that in a couple zones with max graphics. I can understand Neriak, Kelethin and Gorowyn, the head-scratcher is Pillar of Flames. Doesn't bug me, I've got a good profile saved for those zones, takes about 2 seconds to swap. I do dust my pc and it has filters at every ingress.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 19, 2009, 01:22:53 PM
Quick and stupid question.  What is the other dimension of 1080p on a TV?  I am about to connect my wife's new computer to the 52" LCD. :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on February 19, 2009, 01:59:32 PM
1920x1080


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on February 19, 2009, 04:18:06 PM
I'm heading over to Japan for work for a week.  I think I can use my laptop safely (transformer brick will handle 100V 60Hz), but can I similarly plug-in other things like a phone?

Basically, would small appliances have built in conversion for 120V->100V and from 60Hz->50Hz (I think that's correct amounts).  Thx.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on February 19, 2009, 04:44:16 PM
Check your power cable.  My phone could handle Asian voltages, however I still needed an adapter.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miasma on February 19, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
So is there a clear cut "this is the one headset/mic to rule them all" product I can purchase or do I have to read a bunch of reviews?  My current headset's right ear is dead, it's a sennheiser which I've been pretty happy with.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on February 20, 2009, 11:02:48 AM
anyone ever hear of "backing" up the original adobe cs4 disks causing the originals to become no good (ie wont read in the dvd drives at work)?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on February 20, 2009, 12:59:56 PM
anyone ever hear of "backing" up the original adobe cs4 disks causing the originals to become no good (ie wont read in the dvd drives at work)?
No, but given the fucking rootkit copy protection installed with that stuff it wouldn't surprise me if somehow, someway it actually did fuck something up.

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.59b6bd8d?14


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on February 20, 2009, 11:58:17 PM
I think it's a coincidental combination of crappy adobe disks+ancient cheap dvd drives at work.  After thinking about it a bit Adobe seems to rely more on authenticating you cs4 session every time you launch the product than it does on protecting the install files.  Laptop was able to read the disk as well as one of the mac's at work, just all the old Dell's had issues.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: FatuousTwat on February 23, 2009, 02:04:12 AM
Ok, I somehow got a virus that un-formatted one of my harddrives, (I'm pretty sure all the data is still all on it...) anyone know the easiest way to get it off/format it with losing all my porn data?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 23, 2009, 07:50:57 AM
Put your porn disk into a linux machine?  If possible, cp things off, wipe the disk and replace porn.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: FatuousTwat on February 24, 2009, 04:40:04 AM
I just had to install SP2, I guess my drive has a newer standard of NTFS than what plain XP handles.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mortriden on February 26, 2009, 11:13:07 AM
Looking for a bit of help here.  I've got a Logitech G15 keyboard that recently has been acting up.  The issue is that the keyboard will, at random, turn off (keys go blank as does the LCD) and sit idle for roughly 30 sec.  It will then "reboot" and work for as long as 10 minutes; then repeat the process. 

Windows has quit recognizing it as a G15 and now refers to it as a Compatible HID in device manager. 

I have uninstalled the old drivers, and reinstaled new drivers from the logitech site (3.0.180 I believe).  No change.  I've tried different USB plugs, that doesn't seem to make a difference either. 

Is a BIOS update an option?

Windows Vista 32 bit
ASUS P5K-E
Intell Core 2 Duo
8800 GT


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on February 26, 2009, 01:11:41 PM
I just had to install SP2, I guess my drive has a newer standard of NTFS than what plain XP handles.

They are up to SP3 now, hoss.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on February 26, 2009, 03:14:44 PM
Mortriden: Those keyboards are not made to last. Mine lasted about 18 months then just died. LCD stopped working first then one day it did pretty much what you're describing. Throw it away, it's fuct. Cheap crap painted up pretty and over-priced tbh.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on February 26, 2009, 07:08:56 PM
Good to know its a POS. I was tempted, and considering my current logitech wireless has lasted 4 years, I thought it would be worth it. Sigh, how the mighty have fallen.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: FatuousTwat on February 26, 2009, 08:06:11 PM
I just had to install SP2, I guess my drive has a newer standard of NTFS than what plain XP handles.

They are up to SP3 now, hoss.

Yeah, but it started working after SP2. I installed SP3 after posting.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on February 27, 2009, 05:19:31 AM
Good to know its a POS. I was tempted, and considering my current logitech wireless has lasted 4 years, I thought it would be worth it. Sigh, how the mighty have fallen.

Only thing I'd recommend it for is something like EVE with Ventrillo. Shows you who's talking on vent on the LCD, which is just fucking awesome  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on February 27, 2009, 09:34:23 AM
Quick tech question. e6600 on a P5W DH Deluxe mobo. Better to run the RAM at higher speed or lower latency?

800 4-4-4-12

or

1066 5-5-5-15


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rturja on February 28, 2009, 09:30:19 AM
Quick tech question. e6600 on a P5W DH Deluxe mobo. Better to run the RAM at higher speed or lower latency?

1066 5-5-5-15

Is the answer if the memory can handle the speed. Despite the latency, faster clock gives a potential of 200 million more memory operations/second. Those refresh values mean in practice the period between the refresh current is run through the chips and doesn't matter read or writespeeds drastically.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 01, 2009, 07:50:51 PM
Recommend an audio card.  150 USD max.  Usage will be gaming 80 percent of the time, music 10 percent, and movie/video 10 percent of the time.  Used exclusively with headphones.  Would LIKE to have USB output option if possible.  Vista 64 compatible.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 01, 2009, 08:25:05 PM
Recommend an audio card.  150 USD max.  Usage will be gaming 80 percent of the time, music 10 percent, and movie/video 10 percent of the time.  Used exclusively with headphones.  Would LIKE to have USB output option if possible.  Vista 64 compatible.

Thanks.
What do you mean by "USB output"?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 01, 2009, 09:50:59 PM
My headphones have USB thingies that they plug into - that then plug into the computer's USB ports.  Not married to it, but that's now the signal is processed in the Plantronics 777 (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/computer/pc-gaming-headsets/gamecom-777) and how the virtual surround is processed in the 770's (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat1430032/prod5870007) (though this is used on my 360 primarily, so it's not a consideration).  In it's own right, they act as their own sound card(s). 

If need be, I can buy a different set of 5.1 surround headphones down the road - and just go with the 'regular' settings.  But I don't think there's a set with 5 seperate plugs for the 5.1 is there?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 01, 2009, 10:35:52 PM
My headphones have USB thingies that they plug into - that then plug into the computer's USB ports.  Not married to it, but that's now the signal is processed in the Plantronics 777 (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/computer/pc-gaming-headsets/gamecom-777) and how the virtual surround is processed in the 770's (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat1430032/prod5870007) (though this is used on my 360 primarily, so it's not a consideration).  In it's own right, they act as their own sound card(s). 

If need be, I can buy a different set of 5.1 surround headphones down the road - and just go with the 'regular' settings.  But I don't think there's a set with 5 seperate plugs for the 5.1 is there?
Windows only allows a single sound output device to be active at a time. You will have to choose between your USB box or the sound card. You can't plug your USB box into a USB port on your computer and then somehow redirect the output of the sound card through it. Nor are there sound cards that have a USB input/output for connecting to such a box. Basically if you want to use a sound card you'll have to unplug your headphones from the USB box and plug in the mini-stereo jacks directly into the sound card bypassing the USB box.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 01, 2009, 11:48:29 PM
There are also tie-ins on sound cards that allow you to use the front jacks on most computer cases. The 'out' or headphone jack, and the mike jack are fairly common. That still doesn't allow you to use the USB port, but it alleviates the hassel of having to plug in headphones into the back of your box by switching out the speaker jack and plugging in the headphone jack.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 01, 2009, 11:55:37 PM
My headphones have USB thingies that they plug into - that then plug into the computer's USB ports.  Not married to it, but that's now the signal is processed in the Plantronics 777 (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/computer/pc-gaming-headsets/gamecom-777) and how the virtual surround is processed in the 770's (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat1430032/prod5870007) (though this is used on my 360 primarily, so it's not a consideration).  In it's own right, they act as their own sound card(s). 

If need be, I can buy a different set of 5.1 surround headphones down the road - and just go with the 'regular' settings.  But I don't think there's a set with 5 seperate plugs for the 5.1 is there?
Windows only allows a single sound output device to be active at a time. You will have to choose between your USB box or the sound card. You can't plug your USB box into a USB port on your computer and then somehow redirect the output of the sound card through it. Nor are there sound cards that have a USB input/output for connecting to such a box. Basically if you want to use a sound card you'll have to unplug your headphones from the USB box and plug in the mini-stereo jacks directly into the sound card bypassing the USB box.


That's not what I'm looking to do. 

If the card supports 5.1 and has a USB output = awesome.
If the card doesn't have a USB output, but still supports 5.1 = not quite as awesome.  But workable.

Like I said, I'm not married to the USB dongle thing for the headphones.   Would be nice, but not a requirement.

Basically, just want a nice sound card.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 01, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
I may be out of the loop, but are there even cards with USB jacks at all?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 02, 2009, 05:01:33 AM
My headphones have USB thingies that they plug into - that then plug into the computer's USB ports.  Not married to it, but that's now the signal is processed in the Plantronics 777 (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/computer/pc-gaming-headsets/gamecom-777) and how the virtual surround is processed in the 770's (http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/cat640035/cat1430032/prod5870007) (though this is used on my 360 primarily, so it's not a consideration).  In it's own right, they act as their own sound card(s). 

If need be, I can buy a different set of 5.1 surround headphones down the road - and just go with the 'regular' settings.  But I don't think there's a set with 5 seperate plugs for the 5.1 is there?
Windows only allows a single sound output device to be active at a time. You will have to choose between your USB box or the sound card. You can't plug your USB box into a USB port on your computer and then somehow redirect the output of the sound card through it. Nor are there sound cards that have a USB input/output for connecting to such a box. Basically if you want to use a sound card you'll have to unplug your headphones from the USB box and plug in the mini-stereo jacks directly into the sound card bypassing the USB box.

That's not what I'm looking to do. 

If the card supports 5.1 and has a USB output = awesome.
Like I said above you can't do that (and that is what you are looking to do since you've said it twice so I'm not sure why you said that you aren't).

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If the card doesn't have a USB output, but still supports 5.1 = not quite as awesome.  But workable.
Most cards these days support 5/6/7.1 output.


I may be out of the loop, but are there even cards with USB jacks at all?
No. And even if they did they wouldn't do what SnakeCharmer is trying to do.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 02, 2009, 08:30:47 AM
Trippy - I'm not trying to run two different sound sources on the same card or from one card and one of the computers USB outputs or trying to run sound from the sound card to one of the computers/mobo's USB ports. 

Once more....

The headphones connect via a USB dongle thing (or rather, they have that option).  If I can connect to a sound card via the USB thing, awesome.  If not, not so awesome, but still doable.

What I *want* is a sound card that sends the 5.1 (6.1 or 7.1) signal via a USB output ON THE CARD ITSELF - NOT ANOTHER USB PORT ON THE COMPUTER/CASE.  No other ports on the card are going to be used.  Not any of the mini jacks, not the digital output, nothing.  [

b]Just the USB output on the card[/b].


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on March 02, 2009, 08:45:24 AM
Just the USB output on the card.

Again, there is no such thing.

USB headphones do work just fine though, there is no need to connect them directly to the card.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on March 02, 2009, 08:54:11 AM
But you won't have that surround sound stuff, I'm guessing.

What I am wondering is how that thing works at all? Does it have all sorts of fancy drivers that work with the dongle, since use of the dongle means you don't need a dedicated sound card besides the integrated sound? Or, does it just fake the surround sound?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 02, 2009, 09:04:41 AM
Trippy - I'm not trying to run two different sound sources on the same card or from one card and one of the computers USB outputs or trying to run sound from the sound card to one of the computers/mobo's USB ports. 

Once more....

The headphones connect via a USB dongle thing (or rather, they have that option).  If I can connect to a sound card via the USB thing, awesome.  If not, not so awesome, but still doable.

What I *want* is a sound card that sends the 5.1 (6.1 or 7.1) signal via a USB output ON THE CARD ITSELF - NOT ANOTHER USB PORT ON THE COMPUTER/CASE.  No other ports on the card are going to be used.  Not any of the mini jacks, not the digital output, nothing.  [

b]Just the USB output on the card[/b].
Once again, no.

Though now I'm curious. What would you want to do with the USB output on the sound card (if such a thing existed which it doesn't) if you aren't trying to connect your USB dongle to it? Your headphones have regular stereo mini jack plugs when not plugged into the USB dongle. You said it's not necessary to use the dongle and yet you are insisting the sound card have it's own USB port. What you would be plugging into that USB port?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 02, 2009, 09:12:00 AM
But you won't have that surround sound stuff, I'm guessing.

What I am wondering is how that thing works at all? Does it have all sorts of fancy drivers that work with the dongle, since use of the dongle means you don't need a dedicated sound card besides the integrated sound? Or, does it just fake the surround sound?
It uses Dolby Headphone technology to create surround sound.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 02, 2009, 09:31:07 AM
Trippy - I'm not trying to run two different sound sources on the same card or from one card and one of the computers USB outputs or trying to run sound from the sound card to one of the computers/mobo's USB ports. 

Once more....

The headphones connect via a USB dongle thing (or rather, they have that option).  If I can connect to a sound card via the USB thing, awesome.  If not, not so awesome, but still doable.

What I *want* is a sound card that sends the 5.1 (6.1 or 7.1) signal via a USB output ON THE CARD ITSELF - NOT ANOTHER USB PORT ON THE COMPUTER/CASE.  No other ports on the card are going to be used.  Not any of the mini jacks, not the digital output, nothing.  [

b]Just the USB output on the card[/b].
Once again, no.

Though now I'm curious. What would you want to do with the USB output on the sound card (if such a thing existed which it doesn't) if you aren't trying to connect your USB dongle to it? Your headphones have regular stereo mini jack plugs when not plugged into the USB dongle. You said it's not necessary to use the dongle and yet you are insisting the sound card have it's own USB port. What you would be plugging into that USB port?


Because the 5.1 headphones won't be 5.1 without the USB dongle.   

Unless the soundcard can broadcast 5.1 from one minijack...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 02, 2009, 09:35:20 AM
Okay so I was right, you are trying to pass the sound card output into the USB dongle.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on March 02, 2009, 09:41:51 AM
Because the 5.1 headphones won't be 5.1 without the USB dongle.   

Unless the soundcard can broadcast 5.1 from one minijack...

But you don't need to connect the usb headphones to a sound card to get 5.1 sound so why do you want to do that?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rturja on March 02, 2009, 09:51:33 AM
The whole 'plug these into a Dolby compatible USB soundcard' looks like to be a bad translation or badly written marketese. From the information I gathered at Dolby website and the earphone manufacturer, the headphones already have that USB Dolby 5.1 chip in them - and for getting the surround sound, you just have to plug them into any available USB-port in the machine.

No need getting a dedicated card, if you are happy with the headphones.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on March 06, 2009, 03:37:03 PM
Ok so the RAM problem from a few weeks back persists. I think some of you were correct: will need Vista 64bit. Should I get it or survive on 3gb of RAM until Windows 7 comes along? And will Windows 7 support 4gb?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rasix on March 06, 2009, 04:02:32 PM
So uhh, what's the deal if one of my fans (pretty sure it's the GPU fan) all of the sudden revs up really fast for like a half a second and then goes back to normal and repeats the same behavior.  I had this happening in the Empire: Total War campaign map but it never happened during the battles or anywhere else (or on any other game). 



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 06, 2009, 04:23:57 PM
what vid card is it? If its Nvidia, download nTune or Riva Tuner so you can manually set fan behavior. I'm not familiar enough with ATI to have advice


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rasix on March 06, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
what vid card is it? If its Nvidia, download nTune or Riva Tuner so you can manually set fan behavior. I'm not familiar enough with ATI to have advice

8800 GTS.  I have RivaTuner just because nTune liked to reset it's fan setting after reboots.  I think it might be that the version of RivaTuner I had wasn't yet updated to the version of nVidia drivers I was using.  I'll try tonight. 



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rturja on March 06, 2009, 04:29:02 PM
Ok so the RAM problem from a few weeks back persists. I think some of you were correct: will need Vista 64bit. Should I get it or survive on 3gb of RAM until Windows 7 comes along? And will Windows 7 support 4gb?

Just to reiterate one thing - have you upgraded the bios? For example broken ACPI can cause funnies when you have the exact amount of RAM which processor can address. Another question is your processor, does it support 64bit addressing mode (make/model)?

With 4 gigs I'd go for 64 bit OS, whether it's Vista or W7, unless you have hardware that doesn't have 64bit drivers, although Vista does better job with 4 gigs without running through the loops then WinXP in 32 bit mode. Our mediacenter has been very stable with 32 bit Vista and 4 gigs of ram.

Speedwise the worst option would be running in 3 stick configuration - most of the speed with ram these days is gained by 'striping' them as a pair, and having 3 stick would drop the whole memory bandwidth significantly. So if at all possible solving the issue somehow would be optimal.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on March 06, 2009, 04:57:30 PM
Good questions :-)

Power Supply: NZXT PRC-550 550W Power Supply (SLI-Ready)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6600 (2x 2.4GHz)
Motherboard:  Asus P5N32-E SLI nForce 680i SLI Chipset
Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 2x1024mb RAM
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Sound: Creative Lab Sound Blaster X-Fi
Hard Drive: 250gb SATA-II 7200rpm

Whenever I've google'd this, I see posts about 680i having the kind of problems that only Vista 64 seems to fix. I have not updated the bios. I bought this in April 2007.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rturja on March 06, 2009, 05:29:09 PM
Okay, your processor is 64bit capable, so grabbing a copy of 64bit OS isn't a problem on that front.

I'd start by updating the bios first, in case it fixes the apparent addressing issue. I think the thing you are dealing with in there is the fact that basically a 32bit addressing mode can only see and use 4 gigs of memory, and that memory includes all the addresses needed for display and other peripherals. Something causes your MB to report some addresses wrong and later OS tries to access those as regular ram.

If bios upgrade doesn't help, then it's time to check the 64-bit readiness. Only a few programs have issues with it, but check in any case that everything you'll run can handle it. And check your hardware too, there are peripherals without 64-bit drivers.

At present I'm mildly sceptical in upgrading to 64bit Vista, because it seems that W7 is making a good progress out of the door and the reports I've heard have been mostly positive. I'm almost certain that you cannot just upgrade to W7 cheap, even if it is published soon. Of course there is always the option of downloading the beta and giving it a shot. Thus keeping Vista 32 for now, if at all possible, and upgrading to W7/64 later would for me seem like a better alternative.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on March 06, 2009, 07:29:51 PM
Cool, thanks rturja. I'm going to start with the bios update. If that doesn't do it, then I'll wait for 7.

The first and only time I got my computer to boot with all four sticks, it registered in Task Manager that I had 3.2gb of RAM, which according to various places is typical of Vista 32 not being able to see all four gigs, and usually followed shortly thereafter by a bsod and inability to successfully launch back into Windows. Which then proceeded to happen to me :-) That seems in line with your addresses/OS access comment.

I'm in no rush. Not doing much more than playing Dawn of War II these days and that's already maxxed out.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rturja on March 07, 2009, 04:04:23 AM
Yup, that 3.2 gigs is expected. Hopefully the bios upgrade sorts out the rest!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on March 08, 2009, 09:03:35 AM
I think I might be joining the 3.2GB bandwagon (XP32). To my bafflement, I think I've had the first stick of crucial RAM go tits-up ever. I guess it didn't like being pushed to its rated speed after a couple years of running at 800. Been getting all kinds of crashes, culminating in lots of bsod friday night and yesterday.

Last night I pulled a stick and didn't crash for a couple hours. Blah. Looking at crucial's site, I may as well drop the extra $20 on a 2x2GB setup.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rturja on March 08, 2009, 09:35:52 AM
Sky, are you using the machine for music related things, like as a multitracker or sampler? Windows XP has a bit different memory allocation schema compared to Vista, giving only 2 gigs of ram for applications at most, unless tweaked a bit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on March 08, 2009, 10:57:05 AM
2 gig allocated is better than 2 gig total  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Segoris on March 12, 2009, 03:00:16 PM
So, it's finally time for me to pick up one of the current gen consoles, I didn't think bumping a 4 month old thread, derailing a ps3 thread, or starting a new one was worth it for these few questions. From what games I've seen and my type of play, it's clear that I want a PS3. I have a ps2, but one of the models with backwards compatibility would be nice. That said:

If I find one of the older ones that has backwards compatibility, will I lose out with lesser components in other areas on the old 60gb? I've been looking at the PS3 page in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3) and see the 60gb had 4x usb and a flash card reader, whlie the newer 80/160gb versions only have 2 usb. Are the PS3 accessories taking advantage of the extra usb that would make me want that (I thought the sixaxis and Dual Shock 3 controllers were USB), and if so is it enough to pay the price of an old 60gb compared to buying a brand new and warrantied 80gb?
Since I'd drop one of my extra HDD in the system anyways, I don't think the flash card reader would be all that beneficial, but was there anything else that utilized that port? Any specific model number I should look for that would be better then another model for the backwards compatible and the non backwards compatible?

Or am I putting too much value in all these options the old 60gb version had, and I should just shut up and buy the current 80gb version as I won't really notice the difference and drop a new HDD in it?

Fake edit: Sorry, post is much longer then I thought it would be, bleh.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 13, 2009, 02:35:01 AM
You could always get a new PS3 and keep the PS2 for playing the PS2 games.

Personally I don't think you'll miss the extra USB port if you got an older one though - I only ever use 1 USB port at a time to charge up whichever controller needs charging. Everything else is either bluetooth or comes through the ethernet cable, but there are plenty of accessories you can get if you were so inclined.

One other thing about getting an older one is that it'll be older and therefore maybe have a shorter lifespan. At least if you get a new one and it fails then you'll have a warranty.

End of the day I'd say it depends on a) how much you'll actually play the PS2 games and if so then b) how much of a hassle would it be to keep the PS2 for that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Segoris on March 13, 2009, 08:32:32 AM
You could always get a new PS3 and keep the PS2 for playing the PS2 games.

Personally I don't think you'll miss the extra USB port if you got an older one though - I only ever use 1 USB port at a time to charge up whichever controller needs charging. Everything else is either bluetooth or comes through the ethernet cable, but there are plenty of accessories you can get if you were so inclined.

One other thing about getting an older one is that it'll be older and therefore maybe have a shorter lifespan. At least if you get a new one and it fails then you'll have a warranty.

End of the day I'd say it depends on a) how much you'll actually play the PS2 games and if so then b) how much of a hassle would it be to keep the PS2 for that.


Thanks, that definitely helps quite a bit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on March 13, 2009, 07:40:02 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I have 2 60GB Launch PS3s and neither has shown any sort of notion that it will stop working. No strange lockups (except those KNOWN in any game - Re: GTA4, Ar Tonelico 2, etc) or anything.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Segoris on March 14, 2009, 01:07:39 PM
If it makes you feel any better, I have 2 60GB Launch PS3s and neither has shown any sort of notion that it will stop working. No strange lockups (except those KNOWN in any game - Re: GTA4, Ar Tonelico 2, etc) or anything.

Do you use, or find a lot of reason to use, the extra USB ports? I looked over the accessories for PS3 (http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/Accessories#fbid:0yzQMLDOnX6) (which I should have done in the first place, durrr ><) and see there really are only a few devices I'd use besides two controllers unless I'm missing something. Head set and memory card adapter seem about the only things to really take use of the USB. Any other suggestions I should consider or that aren't on that site that I should look for? 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on March 14, 2009, 11:51:47 PM
I have a launch 20 gig, and I only use 3 ports as I'm too lazy to remove the GH3 and Rock Band dongles, and leave the drums plugged in. Though I can't remember the last time I used any of that crap, I have a charging base on my desk for the regular controller.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on March 15, 2009, 04:04:20 AM
Can someone email me the Helvetica and HelveticaNeue TTFs?

For iPhone mockups.


That was fast, thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on March 17, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
what do people think of this spec?  I'm asking because I'm trying to understand current non-professional upper end and then what I can economize on. 

(hint: it's Valve future internal spec) (http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/02/21/valve-shares-their-pc-rigs-specs/#comments)

EVGA X58 3X SLI Intel Motherboard
Intel Corei7 940 2.93GHz Quad-Core Processor
12GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1333MHz ram (Crucial Ballistix, Kingston ValueRam)
1 x NVidia GTX285 1GB - OR - ATI 4870 1GB graphics card
1 x 250GB 7200RPM SATA HD (Seagate, Western Digital)
1 x 500GB 7200RPM SATA HD (Seagate, Western Digital) Lian Li P60-F Case
Intel CPU Cooler
850W Antec power supply
1 x Dell 3008FPW-HC 30" LCD - OR - 2 x Dell 2001FP 20.1" LCD monitors
Windows Vista 64bit


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 17, 2009, 01:02:53 AM
Strange setup.

The RAM I can sort of see but that still seems a bit high. If you have a level editor, a separate 3D package, Photoshop, and the game itself running all that once that might take up 6 - 8 GB of RAM so I guess if you have some other crap running plus the OS you might get close to 12 GB. However they've screwed themselves in terms of future RAM expansion by filling up all 6 RAM slots with 2 GB boards instead of going to, say, 16 GB but only filling up 4 slots. Math is hard.

The hard drive setup is pathetic for a dev machine. 10K drives in a RAID 0 or 0+1 (or 1+0) config would've been what I would've expected. Given the amount of money wasted when a dev is sitting around twiddling his thumbs waiting for stuff to compile/generate/etc. getting more/faster drives is a small price to pay.

A pair of 20" monitors is a joke compared to the 30" in terms of price. I would've offered a pair of 24" or the 30".

what do people think of this spec?  I'm asking because I'm trying to understand current non-professional upper end and then what I can economize on. 
Those are dev machine specs. I wouldn't presume that those are the requirements for future Valve games.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on March 17, 2009, 01:07:03 AM
thanks. 

What of this?  Worth the investment?
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EVGA X58 3X SLI Intel Motherboard
Intel Corei7 940 2.93GHz Quad-Core Processor


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 17, 2009, 01:09:38 AM
That CPU is kind of pricey still. The slower 920 is a better value, especially if you know how to overclock. The X58 is needed if you go with the i7s cause of the new socket/motherboard design (i.e. integrated memory controller and new bus design).



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on March 17, 2009, 12:51:51 PM
Those are pathetically small and slow drives given the rest of the machine.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on March 17, 2009, 12:58:15 PM
If I was building a monster system it would have at least 1 SSD for my OS drive and considering the cost of the rest of the system it certainly wouldn't be out of place.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 17, 2009, 02:06:12 PM
So I managed to put my new PC together today.

It boots, and Vista starts to install off the DVD, but it's sat doing nothing now (after I told it I was in the UK and to Install Now please) for a really long time. Like 10 minutes now saying "Please wait..." with an hourglass symbol.

How long should it take? Will I know right away if I've fucked up the CPU/heatsink bit or will it wait until it gets hot before exploding?

Hold me, I'm scared!  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on March 17, 2009, 02:18:45 PM
That's scary. Is there mouse activity or isn't there supposed to be any at this stage of the install?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 17, 2009, 02:22:14 PM
So I managed to put my new PC together today.

It boots, and Vista starts to install off the DVD, but it's sat doing nothing now (after I told it I was in the UK and to Install Now please) for a really long time. Like 10 minutes now saying "Please wait..." with an hourglass symbol.

How long should it take? Will I know right away if I've fucked up the CPU/heatsink bit or will it wait until it gets hot before exploding?

Hold me, I'm scared!  :uhrr:
No idea on the Vista install stalling (don't use it). For the CPU/heatsink you can just touch it yourself to check. It will shut itself down if it gets too hot so you can't really "fry" a CPU from too much heat like you could in the past.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 17, 2009, 02:23:12 PM
Awesome thanks Trippy.

While you were replying Vista came to life and carried on installing, I was just being a girly wuss  :drillf:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 17, 2009, 02:28:11 PM
Most BIOSes these days have their own hardware temp monitors. You can check there before the OS if you're worried. Also, they may be a bit more accurate about temp reporting than 3rd party apps you download.

Grats on the new build, btw.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 17, 2009, 02:29:08 PM
Did you hook up a network cable to it? It might have been trying to make a network connection with a really long timeout timer.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on March 17, 2009, 09:11:07 PM
So. I rearranged my monitors. Ventrilo is launching off of the primary monitor space. Right-clicking on the icon bar brings up things I can't use (like move and resize, there is no maximize option). How can I get that window back onto a monitor?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rendakor on March 17, 2009, 11:26:38 PM
Have you tried hitting move and dragging it in random directions with the hope that it appears on your monitor(s)?

Failing that, set your PC back to displaying onto your primary monitor only; then open Vent (it should open visibly since it has nowhere else to do so; doing this lets Vent know where to open. Might want to drag it around a little just to make sure it saves its changed position). Then close it, and re-setup your multiple monitors.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on March 17, 2009, 11:33:20 PM
Nah, I got it. Alt+Space+M then use arrow keys.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 18, 2009, 02:12:31 AM
Most BIOSes these days have their own hardware temp monitors. You can check there before the OS if you're worried. Also, they may be a bit more accurate about temp reporting than 3rd party apps you download.

Grats on the new build, btw.

Discovered it, cheers :)  It also has a thingy that give me a browser, IM, email and all sorts of other stuff before even loading the OS if I want. Nifty! These newfangled doohickeys, what will they come up with next!

Did you hook up a network cable to it? It might have been trying to make a network connection with a really long timeout timer.
Yeah could have been something like that, when Vista did finish installing it wasn't happy with the network for ages until I decided to actually put the CD with the motherboard drivers in  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 18, 2009, 02:59:49 AM
Hrmmm can anyone recommend a good, free firewall for Vista 64? I've used Sunbelt for ages but it's 32-bit only  :sad:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on March 18, 2009, 10:38:48 AM
I'm happy with Window's Firewall on my home machines as long as I have a good virus scanner and am behind a router.  (My work machines don't even have the router and they're on a university network and do fine.)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 19, 2009, 01:33:08 PM
So, i upgraded my laptop, i went from 2 sticks of 1gb, to two sticks of 2gb. However in the properties panel, it says there are only 3gb installed. The video card on the laptop is a x1400 (ATI i think) and says it can use up to 512 ram. (shared of course).

However in the bios, i can't change the list amount of memory, and there is a listing for the Video cards allotment, its set to 128 mb. I can't change any of this, cant even use the arrow keys to get to them. The laptop is running Windows XP.

Any suggestions? More info needed, is so, what?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 19, 2009, 01:40:01 PM
The laptop is running Windows XP.

That's your problem.  You need a 64 bit OS - either XP Pro 64, or Vista Premium.

I'm 99.9 percent sure on that.

If you're wanting to stick with XP Pro 64, I've got an unused copy at home you can have for way cheap.  Let me know if interested.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 19, 2009, 02:30:21 PM
I was hopeing this wasn't the issue. Its only a dual core laptop, not sure if i care enough to upgrade its OS right now. The video card allotment is still in question, and a problem.

So XP only does up to 3 gigs? That's an odd number.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on March 19, 2009, 02:39:44 PM
Trippy will come to the rescue and explain everything.

Your 32 bit OS wants you to upgrade.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 19, 2009, 03:55:33 PM
So, i upgraded my laptop, i went from 2 sticks of 1gb, to two sticks of 2gb. However in the properties panel, it says there are only 3gb installed. The video card on the laptop is a x1400 (ATI i think) and says it can use up to 512 ram. (shared of course).

However in the bios, i can't change the list amount of memory, and there is a listing for the Video cards allotment, its set to 128 mb. I can't change any of this, cant even use the arrow keys to get to them. The laptop is running Windows XP.

Any suggestions? More info needed, is so, what?

Thanks.
What's the laptop model?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on March 19, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
The laptop is running Windows XP.

That's your problem.  You need a 64 bit OS - either XP Pro 64, or Vista Premium.

I'm 99.9 percent sure on that.

If you're wanting to stick with XP Pro 64, I've got an unused copy at home you can have for way cheap.  Let me know if interested.
XP Pro 64 actually has no value, so I find your offer intriguing. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 20, 2009, 07:42:43 AM
So, i upgraded my laptop, i went from 2 sticks of 1gb, to two sticks of 2gb. However in the properties panel, it says there are only 3gb installed. The video card on the laptop is a x1400 (ATI i think) and says it can use up to 512 ram. (shared of course).

However in the bios, i can't change the list amount of memory, and there is a listing for the Video cards allotment, its set to 128 mb. I can't change any of this, cant even use the arrow keys to get to them. The laptop is running Windows XP.

Any suggestions? More info needed, is so, what?

Thanks.
What's the laptop model?


Acer Aspire 5670. Intel Core Duo 1.66 (i think), 2gb ram (was)  ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 512 MB (this is what it says right on the sticker i never took off, bios says 128) 120gb HD. Its about 2-3 years old, and has been a great laptop, even now. I beta tested Vanguard on it (on rather high settings too), and my girl uses it for LOTRO. That's the main reason i was trying to squeeze a bit more out of it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 20, 2009, 12:45:13 PM
Not sure how well this works on mobile GPUs but run this (or something similiar) to ID your GPU:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

You might actually have the Mobile X1400 that has 128 MB of dedicated VRAM instead of shared RAM. Check the memory type. If it's GDDR3 then it looks like you have the dedicated VRAM model.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on March 20, 2009, 01:16:53 PM
Not sure how well this works on mobile GPUs but run this (or something similiar) to ID your GPU:

http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/

You might actually have the Mobile X1400 that has 128 MB of dedicated VRAM instead of shared RAM. Check the memory type. If it's GDDR3 then it looks like you have the dedicated VRAM model.


I will check, but that would be contrary to what i bought if true. Unless it has 128, but can pull down another 128 if it wants to from system. If that last bit is the case, then i guess all is well, other than the missing 1 gig system memory.

Thanks, ill post back when i get the datas!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 20, 2009, 07:04:28 PM
Thinking of upgrading for no other reason than to do it.  Currently running 8800GTS G92's in SLI.  Considering going with a GTX 260 OC, possibly even SLI'ing that.  Resolution is 1920x1200.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on March 20, 2009, 09:55:53 PM
Do you have more money than sense? If so, it's a good plan.
At 1920x1200, 8800gt sli should just about max out in everything.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on March 20, 2009, 10:41:31 PM
Do you have more money than sense?

If I only had a nickle to my name, I'd have more money than sense...

Quote
If so, it's a good plan.
At 1920x1200, 8800gt sli should just about max out in everything.

It comes close.  I suppose that if I wouldn't see an anecdotal 50 percent improvement in quality and framerate, I wouldn't do it.  FWIW, the proc is Q6600 (oc'd to 3.2Ghz) and 8GB of RAM.

Just kinda curious. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 20, 2009, 11:24:58 PM
isn't there a significant difference between a GT and  GTS in the 8800 series?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 21, 2009, 01:29:27 AM
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It really seems to vary with the test:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html

If you're buying a new card you haven't got to spend much more to get you up to a 9800GTX+ or a GT250. The Radeon 4830 or 4850 would be good choices around that price point too.

The Best Graphics Cards For The Money: March '09 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-radeon,2218.html) article on TH is pretty informative and brief.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 22, 2009, 12:06:47 AM
This is just a public service announcement.

I noticed over the last few weeks that my machine's fans were going into over drive when I was playing high processing games. I checked my temps, and sure enough, my CPU was idling at ~48C and approaching 67C under load! This was vexing because when I first installed my heatsink and fan assembly for my CPU, the temps were ~34C idle and low 50s under load.

This morning I undertook the hidious process of removing the heatsink and discovering a lot of dust and even dust bunnies accumulated between the fins. I also reapplied thermal paste. I put it all back together and lo and behold, the temps are back to the original ones.

So, in essence, it may be a good idea to reapply paste and check the grime on your CPU heatsink fins every 6 months or so.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on March 22, 2009, 02:37:02 AM
I always have massive dust problems with my PCs. Two cats in the house, our cavalier attitude towards doing housework and PC cases with plenty of huge fans means that they hoover up metric fucktons of fur and dust.

Reminds me, I need to find a cheap source for compressed air cans in the UK....


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on March 23, 2009, 10:36:06 AM
I've got filters on my intakes. Still get a bit of dust in there, but nowhere near the evil den of bunnies I've had in the past, and now I've added a cat to the equation.

On video cards: check the pipe widths. Even when I built my pc two years ago, there were a lot of cards with wimpy pipes (128bit) out there. For reference, my 9800pro had 256bit pipes. It made a huuuge difference. I see some with 512bit, that's gotta be pretty sweet. My 8800gtx is 384 or something, runs pretty sweet. Though at this point, 1280x720 for the max settings win.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 23, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
I've got filters on my intakes. Still get a bit of dust in there, but nowhere near the evil den of bunnies I've had in the past, and now I've added a cat to the equation.

Using a cat as a filtration device runs counter to conventional wisdom.  Do you shave it first?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on March 23, 2009, 01:46:54 PM
No, I added filters to the cat.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lucas on March 27, 2009, 10:09:12 AM
Guys, do you know of any article talking about the next wave of Nvidia graphic cards? Meaning, what's to come after the 2xx series? Just wondering 'cause next Xmas (yeah, I like to plan ahead) I'll probably make a total-global-ultra upgrade of my beast and since I still have a fantastic 8800 GTS 640MB (bought it at the end of 2006 and it is still rockin') I want to stick with Nvidia. Thanks :)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miguel on March 27, 2009, 01:53:57 PM
There's this (it basically likes up with your timeframe):

Leaked GeForce driver hints at GT212, GT215, GT216, and GT218 GPUs

Leaked ForceWare 185 drivers provided by German site Hardware Infos hint at several upcoming GeForce GT2xx GPUs. According to ATI-Forum.de, GT212, GT215, GT216, and GT218 GPUs are all mentioned in the driver device list. All of these GPUs are expected to be built around TSMC's 40-nm manufacturing process, with recent rumors suggesting GT212 will replace today's 55-nm GT200b GPUs, while GT216 is expected to displace G96 and GT218 will replace G98 for the entry-level segment.  The unknown here is GT215. This is the first time GT215 has surfaced anywhere. GT214 is expected to be NVIDIA's G94 replacement, but no one outside of NVIDIA knows how GT215 relates to GT214. While previous rumors have suggested NVIDIA's first 40-nm GPUs could arrive during late Q2 or Q3'09, their appearance in a leaked ForceWare driver could suggest an even earlier arrival.


Anything about newer GPU's would probably only be the result of a blatant NDA violation. ;)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 27, 2009, 02:00:57 PM
You know what would rule? GPUs with smaller transistors like this 45 nm so that I wouldn't be able to slow-roast a suckling pig in my case.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 27, 2009, 02:48:31 PM
Guys, do you know of any article talking about the next wave of Nvidia graphic cards? Meaning, what's to come after the 2xx series? Just wondering 'cause next Xmas (yeah, I like to plan ahead) I'll probably make a total-global-ultra upgrade of my beast and since I still have a fantastic 8800 GTS 640MB (bought it at the end of 2006 and it is still rockin') I want to stick with Nvidia. Thanks :)
The GT300 is the one you want to check in on in about 6 months. It's their high end DX11 card core that's supposed to be out Q4 09.

Edit: that's a core not a card.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on March 27, 2009, 03:37:49 PM
Is dx11 going to be anything? I got pretty pissed about the dx10 thing being 'vista only' and then patching my crysis demo to get all the "dx10" effects in xp. At this point I'm only interested in features, not raw speed, being res-locked to 720p. I see this as a good thing, better effects and fsaa/af and shadows and normal mapping and whatnot.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 27, 2009, 03:55:15 PM
DirectX 11 is mostly a performance update. It'll better support multi-treading and have an API for using GPUs as general purpose CPUs (GPGPU). Some of the enhancements like some of the multi-threading stuff will work on non-DX11 specific cards so it's not clear yet what a DX11-specific card gets you over a DX10/9 card. Windows 7 will ship with DirectX 11 and it'll be available for Vista as well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on March 28, 2009, 01:11:11 PM
I'm looking for a new GFX card 512mb+ I only got about $200 to spend anyone know what's the best bang for buck around at the moment?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 28, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
I found this link to be a good read, although there are a lot of ties:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on March 30, 2009, 09:30:48 AM
Found this scored quite high on Tom's benchmarks and works out about $210.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-114-OK&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=927


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 31, 2009, 09:20:03 AM
I don't know how quick this will be, but my wife has trouble with USB hard drives.  She has had at least two PCs at her desk and managed to go through at least 4 USB external drives in record time.  Sometimes I can plug them into my PC and they work, sometimes they don't and never do after that.  Last one was a very new WD MyBook that required some repair when I plugged it into my machine.  I gave her the disk and the USB cable I used, but it would not even spin up at her desk.

Currently the only thing I can think is that the power at her desk, or perhaps entire office, is the culprit.  Let's assume no one wants to rewire the office during these uncertain times, what might be done here?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 31, 2009, 10:03:52 AM
You can get a clean source of power by using a UPS. I used to have very flaky power in my old flat from the 40s and using this guy  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16842101004) helped solve that straight away.

That said, it may be either your or your wife's power supply itself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 31, 2009, 10:09:10 AM
If you mean the PC PSU, she has different ones due to having different PCs.  If you mean the wall-wart that comes with the USB drive, she says she uses the one that comes with it each time so there is no commonality there.  Also I don't have this issue.

I was hoping I would not have to suggest a UPS, but then I won't be paying for it so I might as well.  Turns out that everything at her desk connects to one electrical outlet and I'm not entirely sure a UPS will fix something like an overtapped circuit.  If that's the issue, I fear I'm looking for a bandage when I need a limb replacement.

Edit for clarity.  It is probably not apparent that her office is not in my house.  It is in the ramshackle tinderbox that passes for her place of business.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on March 31, 2009, 11:21:20 AM
You could try a maxtor mini, draws all of it's power via the USB ports, I really like mine as it is fairly compact and I don't have to lug a power brick around with it.

UPS: It's been a 4-5 years since i checked but last time I was in the market for 1 most of these were passive which probably wouldn't solve a dirty power problem much more than a power strip would.  Now if you can find an active UPS that may prove to be helpful, although it won't magically make an overloaded circuit start delivering more juice, it will convert shitty power (lots of fluctuations) to clean power (pure sine wave).

How much equipment is she running off her single outlet?  A full system (cpu/monitor or 2/printer/wireless router/cable modem) can easily run off one of the workstation level 1000/1100va UPS's for at least 30 minutes.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on March 31, 2009, 02:27:14 PM
This actually is an excellent question, regarding active vs passive. My perhaps misinformed understanding is that APC ups have two type of outlets: one bank with is just a surge protected passthrough, and another bank which is actually battery supported. My understanding is that the battery supported outlets actually provide the clean power source, whereas the passthrough ones are just protected against bad surges. Any info you guys have would be very much appreicated.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on March 31, 2009, 02:36:31 PM
Yes in a nutshell, active (i believe tripp lite calls theirs interactive) essentially puts the battery between you and the power source, where passive only switches (very rapidly) to battery power when the power source is not available.  Looking at the tripp lite site it appears that you can get an active 700va interactive (http://www.tripplite.com/EN/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=665&EID=13901&txtModelID=23) for $250.  Nothing here against APC (I had 2 smart UPS 3ks in my server room that were rock steady) but the last few personal UPS's I have had were tripp lite and I am simply a bit more familiar with them.

Edit: 700va should be enough to run your core computer components off of for 30-45minutes (cpu, single monitor and cable modem) but you are mostly interested in power quality so that is just icing i suppose.  Also, you may want to investigate the other reason I am more familiar with tripp lite, Costco looks to have a great deal on a 1500va interactive UPS (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11234507&search=UPS&Mo=2&cm_re=1_en-_-Top_Left_Nav-_-Top_search&lang=en-US&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&Sp=S&N=4001486&whse=BC&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntk=Text_Search&Dr=P_CatalogName:BC&Ne=4000000&D=UPS&eCat=BC|84&Ntt=UPS&No=2&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&Nty=1&topnav=&s=1)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 31, 2009, 02:43:54 PM
If you are worried about the power coming out of your wall you don't want just an UPS, you want one with "Automatic Voltage Regulation" (AVR). AVR UPSes generate a steady amount of voltage instead of just kicking in when the voltage drops too low which is what Salamok is referring to.

Also, if you really really concerned about your power and you believe the marketing hype (which I don't) get a UPS that generates a sine wave instead of a square wave for it's power.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on March 31, 2009, 02:51:28 PM
hmm the target audience seems to have changed since i last reviewed specs for UPS's they used to all shoot for a half hour of battery backup, looks like the UPS's i just posted are geared more for clean power and just enough backup power to get you shut down (3-15 minutes depending on model and load).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on March 31, 2009, 02:52:07 PM
Also, if you really really concerned about your power and you believe the marketing hype (which I don't) get a UPS that generates a sine wave instead of a square wave for it's power.

I'm either too smart or too stupid to believe this makes a difference, unless it's that the sine is worse.

I don't know how much juice is on that circuit she is using but my educated guess is "not enough".  Fluctuations could be from "bad power" or from devices firing up, like a printer.  She has too many things for a single outlet, I know that, but she won't be able to have the office rewired until her brother is convinced.

Consensus seem to be that power fluctuations toward the low end can destroy a USB disk.  I'll see about the low-power ones, since I'll be buying yet another one anyway.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on March 31, 2009, 02:57:47 PM
Also, if you really really concerned about your power and you believe the marketing hype (which I don't) get a UPS that generates a sine wave instead of a square wave for it's power.
I'm either too smart or too stupid to believe this makes a difference, unless it's that the sine is worse.
Sine is "better", it's what's coming out of your wall socket and the form of power your electronic equipment was designed to. Many UPSes, however, generate something closer to a square wave for it's power, presumably cause it's less expensive than generating a pure sine wave.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on March 31, 2009, 03:44:51 PM
I'd kind of lean more towards the negligable benefit of having a pure sine wave.  The main benefit has to do with power loss over a large distance (which is why this is what the electric co sends you in the 1st place), combine this with the operating envelope of pretty much all consumer electronics and the benefit to the end user is pretty much invisible.  The square wave coming off a UPS is still going to be filtered to the point that it will stay within the peaks and valleys of a pure sine wave and that is probably the important aspect.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 01, 2009, 11:19:10 AM
You don't think the sharp edges might cause extra wear on the electronics? :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 01, 2009, 11:38:36 AM
I think that is what they are saying.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on April 02, 2009, 10:38:11 AM
I found this link to be a good read, although there are a lot of ties:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html

Thanks for that it totally helped and the GTX 260 is in the post only thing is I now need to upgrade the power supply which should be fun.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Tige on April 02, 2009, 08:09:19 PM
Is there any way to connect a PS2 to a monitor that has a DVI-D and a HD15 connection?       


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 02, 2009, 08:30:37 PM
Is there any way to connect a PS2 to a monitor that has a DVI-D and a HD15 connection?       
You need an S-Video/Component to VGA converter box. I don't have mine with me at my new location so I can't take a pic of it and show you what mine looks like but that's what I used to display my previous gen consoles (PS2/Xbox/GC) on my computer monitor.

Edit: here are some examples (http://www.ramelectronics.net/audio-video/video-converters/s-video-to-vga/c10000-c11200-c11205.html?sorter=productname-en-asc)





Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Tige on April 02, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
Is there any way to connect a PS2 to a monitor that has a DVI-D and a HD15 connection?       
You need an S-Video/Component to VGA converter box. I don't have mine with me at my new location so I can't take a pic of it and show you what mine looks like but that's what I used to display my previous gen consoles (PS2/Xbox/GC) on my computer monitor.

Edit: here are some examples (http://www.ramelectronics.net/audio-video/video-converters/s-video-to-vga/c10000-c11200-c11205.html?sorter=productname-en-asc)


Gracias.

edit:  Checked amazon a saw a handful of reviews bitching about loss of picture quality.  If you have decent monitor/converter is that an issue or is it just the nature of these things to have some visual degredation?  Curious if text would wind up blurry.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 03, 2009, 08:15:59 AM
I'd think that component-to-vga would give the best picture, but I have not tried this.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 03, 2009, 08:48:07 AM
Component would give the best picture but S-Video works fine as long as the converter is decent enough. Mine "upscales" to 1024 x 768 and the text is fine (I played stuff like FF XII through it).

Edit: also to clarify, things typically aren't going to look the same even if the converter did a "perfect" conversion job. PS2 games are "calibrated" to look their best on CRT TV-only displays. CRT computer monitors don't follow the same design specs as CRT TVs so material created for CRT TV displays don't look the same on CRT computer monitors. The same applies to CRT TV-designed material being shown on other types of computer displays like LCDs. With HDTV materials things converge more but even then there are differences.

In my previous setup the PS2 images on my Sony CRT TV are quite a bit brighter and more the colors more "vibrant" compared to what is shown on my Sony CRT monitors.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on April 03, 2009, 06:08:47 PM
So, DivX plug in has started crashing Firefox, IE and Opera and crashes in Chrome whenever I have a DivX movie try to load. It's just started happening after I moved into University halls so possibly being on their network is causing it but I'd have imagined that would result in error messages rather than the plug-in crashing any time it tries to play. Seen a few things on it having browser specific issues but this seems to be DivX itself. Anyone else seeing anything similar? Or have any ideas what it could be?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 04, 2009, 10:49:28 AM
Last few releases of Divx have done nothing but piss me off, like they sold out to the competition and tanked their own product.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 04, 2009, 06:56:02 PM
Divx's own MPEG-4 codec stopped being relevant a while ago when they were no longer able to compete with the work the Xvid guys were/are doing as they spent more time taking features *out* of their products instead of improving them. They are trying to be relevant again by buying out MainConcept and going with the H.264/MKV combo which has become the standard for HD reencodes.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on April 06, 2009, 10:09:33 AM
I have a honeypot on one my work computers, all traffic is normal except for UDP port 1434.  Random computers are sending a packet to it that is 02 in hex.  There is no way the honeypot requested it (it's low interaction) so I'm trying to figure out why the aforementioned random computers are sending 02 to it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 06, 2009, 10:23:21 AM
Found this on the internets. Not sure if its of any help:

http://www.websecurity.mobi/computer-security/692-firewall-reports-attck-udp-port-1434-a.html

Btw, what the heck is a honeypot?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on April 06, 2009, 01:46:30 PM
Btw, what the heck is a honeypot?

A computer all dressed up in drag waiting for someone to come screw it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 06, 2009, 02:10:35 PM
So, DivX plug in has started crashing Firefox, IE and Opera and crashes in Chrome whenever I have a DivX movie try to load. It's just started happening after I moved into University halls so possibly being on their network is causing it but I'd have imagined that would result in error messages rather than the plug-in crashing any time it tries to play. Seen a few things on it having browser specific issues but this seems to be DivX itself. Anyone else seeing anything similar? Or have any ideas what it could be?
If it started happening after you moved in, and given University residence hall network's plague-riddled existances, I'd recommend doing as many virus scans from as many providers as you can manage.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on April 06, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
That isn't it, really I just posted this for anyone who does Enterprise IT.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 06, 2009, 02:46:48 PM
Sounds much like this this (http://www.developmentnow.com/g/107_2006_8_0_0_814684/Broadcast-on-UDP1434.htm), try stopping the "SQL Server Service Manager" service.  Also double check that you don't have an ip conflict with another machine on the network...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on April 06, 2009, 03:18:21 PM
Sounds much like this this (http://www.developmentnow.com/g/107_2006_8_0_0_814684/Broadcast-on-UDP1434.htm), try stopping the "SQL Server Service Manager" service.  Also double check that you don't have an ip conflict with another machine on the network...

Stupid MSDE is broadcasting, you hit it right on the nose!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 06, 2009, 03:31:28 PM
Sounds much like this this (http://www.developmentnow.com/g/107_2006_8_0_0_814684/Broadcast-on-UDP1434.htm), try stopping the "SQL Server Service Manager" service.  Also double check that you don't have an ip conflict with another machine on the network...

Stupid MSDE is broadcasting, you hit it right on the nose!

And here I am not even an enterprise IT professional! ;P


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ookii on April 06, 2009, 03:42:56 PM
Your google-fu is strong then sir.  I am too tired to do anything properly today!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 06, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
well to be honest I do have more than a little smidge of IT in my background and once I saw that SQL server uses that port my 1st instinct was some piss poor implementation of that piece of crap that is MSDE.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 06, 2009, 04:48:43 PM
Btw, what the heck is a honeypot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on April 08, 2009, 09:04:05 PM
Not really a tech question per se, but what's everyone's choice of a media player these days?  I really don't like WMP, and haven't used winamp in years so I have no idea if it's any good still.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on April 08, 2009, 09:06:40 PM
VLC Player with CCCP (Combined Community Codec Pack) installed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 08, 2009, 10:42:39 PM
Not really a tech question per se, but what's everyone's choice of a media player these days?  I really don't like WMP, and haven't used winamp in years so I have no idea if it's any good still.
foobar2000 on Windows. Haven't found anything I'm happy with yet on Mac but I'm mostly using Songbird. All I need is something that launches super fast, doesn't use a ton of resources, and includes basic play list support. Most players are either bloated monstrosities or totally stripped down without any playlist support.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on April 08, 2009, 11:36:07 PM
oh. music, not porn, my bad.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 09, 2009, 12:01:36 AM
He mentioned Winamp so I assumed he meant music but I guess these days Winamp plays video as well so I don't know.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on April 09, 2009, 12:52:15 AM
I don't have any problems with winamp as long as you keep an eye on it when installing - pare it down to the minimum and don't let it installl the media library and winamp agent stuff. There's always Media Player Classic too which now has a 64 bit version that seems to work ok.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on April 09, 2009, 10:46:46 AM
iToooooones! Surprise, cockfags!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on April 09, 2009, 11:01:33 AM
I use mplayer on windows and linux, with the mpui frontend on windows 7. This windows build (http://mulder.dummwiedeutsch.de/home/?page=projects#mplayer) to be specific.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 09, 2009, 01:14:12 PM
I kind of like the cowon/jet audio player.  The only problem I have with it is the web driven add/splash screen that occasional comes up when you open it (also occasional has an error in said splashscreen).  I use the cowon player at work and iTunes at home, I really do not like iTunes but my wife has an ipod and iTunes invaded all user accounts of the PC when installed and I haven't bothered to kick it off my account yet.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 09, 2009, 06:39:16 PM
So my computer decided to not start up any more. I press the front button, nothing. I turn off the switch in the back and turn it on: lights turn on, fan on the cooling system turns on, fan on the power supply turns on, they all run for 3 seconds and then the whole thing shuts down. Hard drive never even starts spinning up. The computer at least starts the drive checks because I can see the CD-ROM tray lights turn on for a bit.

First thought was power supply. Never replaced one but it looks pretty straightforward (in theory). Just can't see how it'd turn on for a second and then turn off though. There circuit breakers in these things?

Second thought was complete hard drive meltdown. Can't see how it'd go without any of the warning signs at all, but wouldn't be surprising.

Third thought is this little button cell battery on the mobo. Back in the way old days I had to replace the 6v battery on my Power Computer Mac like three times in it's life, and it wouldn't work unless I replaced the battery. That was 15 years ago or so though, and I can't imagine they still design them like that.

Help?

Specs:
Power Supply: NZXT PRC-550 550W Power Supply (SLI-Ready)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6600 (2x 2.4GHz)
Motherboard:  Asus P5N32-E SLI nForce 680i SLI Chipset
Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 2x1024mb RAM
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Sound: Creative Lab Sound Blaster X-Fi
Hard Drive: 250gb SATA-II 7200rpm
CD/DVD Drive ( 16x DVD-ROM Drive)
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive 18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVDR/RW + CD-R/RW)
Intel Pro 10/100/1000 Network Card
 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 09, 2009, 07:02:05 PM
Does your MB have a tiny speaker and is it hooked up? Do you have a little POST code display on the MB?

I would disconnect the cables from all the drives, pull out the sound card and network card, recheck the power cable to the MB, the CPU fan connector and the connector from the power switch to the motherboard and see if you can get to the startup screen and enter the BIOS.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 09, 2009, 07:28:44 PM
No tiny speaker I could see and know POST code display. I assume the latter is some sort of LED/LCD, and couldn't find one.

I disconnected both CD-ROMs, the HD, removed this secondary audio card thing, removed the SoundBlaster, even removed the 8800 GTS. Couldn't remove the network card since that appears to be integrated on the mobo.

Same result: starts up for 2-3 seconds, turns off.

I did notice something else I've never seen before though: on the back of the computer is this Blue LED light next to the word "Combined". It's part of the power supply. When the computer turns on, that turns on, but it is dim. Then when the computer shuts off, it flares very bright then dims back down to dim again.

That seems ominous...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 09, 2009, 07:48:51 PM
Apparently that power supply can either run with the 12V power split between the two lines or combined into one.

Is the CPU fan spinning on power up?

I'd try another power supply.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 09, 2009, 07:56:27 PM
The CPU fan and the Power Supply fan both start spinning up. But then shut off with everything else.

Any advice on a new power supply of equivalent (or greater) capacity? I don't think I have one I can throw in here that's got capacity for what's loaded. The board lacks integrated video so at the very least I need the drive and vidcard in to get to a BIOS screen. So I'll need to order one.

Which is fine since I'm headed out for the holiday anyway. Wouldn't mind having a new supply from Newegg waiting for me when I get back. Just don't want to order the wrong one.

Oh, and I've never installed one before. But I'll learn  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 09, 2009, 08:00:28 PM
You can put in a (relatively) wimpy one just to test things out. An unloaded CPU and GPU draw much less power so you don't need the full 550 Watts of your current one.

You don't need a drive for the BIOS screen.

Look at the Advice on a New Rig thread near the end for suggestions we gave to Strazos for his power supply which is about your range.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 09, 2009, 08:30:37 PM
So, I used some PSU load calculator and it said that I needed ~680 watts. My current 700 watt Truepower (Thermaltake) is starting to be very loud under load. Its got some crazed 14" fan that's just gotten louder over time. Stands to reason, I guess, but I thing I want a new one. So, let me break it down for you guys and see what you think:

At least 5 SATA2 drives with 4 in raid5
4x1 gigs of DDR2 ram
A modern higher end vid card
DVD/BlueRay player
dedicated sound card
4 12" fans (two front, one rear and one for CPU)

Bearing in mind that I will probably be upgrading at the very least my vid card from an 8800GT to a 200 series Nvidia (prolly the new 275) and will eventually go for a DDR3 set of ram & new intel chip, what do you guys suggest?

How important is Active Power?
Good experiences with modular cabling PSUs?
SILENCE is golden, especially with 5 active fans in the case already

Brand recommendations? PC Power & Cooling is now owned by OCZ and they don't seem to be making higher end PSUs, at least not the modular type.

Antec seems to have some patented temp/fanspeed regulation in their PSUs. Are they worth fussing over or should I go for something simpler?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 09, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
How important is Active Power?
Read this:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/atx-psu5_3.html

Quote
Good experiences with modular cabling PSUs?
I have a few that use them (like an Antec NeoPower PS in one of my boxes) but I don't consider them mandatory as I have no problems letting my cabling look like a rat's nest.

Quote
SILENCE is golden, especially with 5 active fans in the case already
Read the reviews in http://silentpcreview.com/ if you want a quiet power supply.

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Brand recommendations? PC Power & Cooling is now owned by OCZ and they don't seem to be making higher end PSUs, at least not the modular type.
Seasonic is still my benchmark though the "enthusiast" power supply market is very crowded these days.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on April 10, 2009, 11:09:12 AM
I was going to use a Seasonic after talking about this a couple years ago when I built my current computer, but I ended up going with a 610W PCP&C. This feeds my thirsty 8800gtx, but I only have a single 10k hdd.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 10, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
I was looking at the 800 watt Seasonic, and it does indeed seem to be the king of power supplies. Silver rated power management, Active PFC, modular cables, 12 volt high amp rails up the ying yang, silent as a doormouse, etc.

But is it really worth $300 bucks? I mean, sure, it probably merits the sticker price, but am I going overboard?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on April 10, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
5 hard drives, 4 in raid 5 and you're wondering if a power supply is overboard?  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 10, 2009, 04:30:13 PM
Well, its a gamer box more than a work production box, so ya. That Seasonic is teh serious shtz, if you look at it. There are other ~700 to 800 Watt PSUs for about 100 bucks cheaper from still 'reputable' name brands that would probably never go bad on me, and/or keep silent.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on April 14, 2009, 04:22:37 PM
A little off the build topic, but what would people recommend as a good CSS editor?  Im been having a balls of a time trying to get freeware editors to work.  I have Dreamweaver, but it might as well be in Arabic.  I need an approachable CSS text editor with a good preview feature.  Thx.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 14, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
Emacs.

More seriously a preview feature is mostly useless unless your site is IE6-only (the IE "rendering engine" is relatively easy to embed in Windows apps). As schild can tell you in great detail, every browser does CSS slightly differently.

Also, what OS are you using?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on April 14, 2009, 04:39:35 PM
I like to do my CSS editing in firebug, as you can see your changes rendered on the page immediately.

Doesn't Eclipse have a CSS editing plugin too?

The "see your changes in preview" thingy is a bit advanced, so expect it to be clunky in most implementations. Easiest to just edit the CSS file in a good text editor (TextPad on Windows) and save/promote your changes, refresh browser to see changes.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on April 14, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
Save and refresh works very well and isn't usually any longer than other methods.

Ctrl-s, alt-tab, F5.

That said, when I was doing a lot of web stuff I found it generally easier to get the page the way I liked it in Firefox/Mozilla and then make IE look right.  Starting with IE as your base can lead you off in directions that work in no other browser.

I worked on state run websites and we had to stay standards compliant and I found that if you try and stay as close to the standards as you can, you may not (probably wont) be able to 100% but making the effort will get rid of a lot of your cross browser compatibility issues.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on April 14, 2009, 05:22:54 PM
I can use Mac or PC.  My copy of Dreamweaver is for Mac.  And yeah I think what I was hoping for was a WYSIWYG editor for only the basic architecture.  Just to get the basic layout, and then finesse everything by text.   Hadn't thought of Eclipse.  Thx.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 15, 2009, 08:45:26 AM
Have you tried textmate on your mac?  DW designer view sucks at CSS so even if you were comfy with it it wouldn't give you the solution you are looking for.  On the other hand DW's built in ftp makes saving local, uploading to web and refreshing your browser as easy as F12.  Personally I think DW is the closest thing out there to becoming the perfect web development tool, unfortunately adobe is clueless so it will never even be a contender.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on April 15, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
"textmate"

thanks very much I will try this.  I know little about the Mac world and for some reason I never encountered textmate in any of my previous searches.  Cheers and thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 15, 2009, 07:01:14 PM
You can put in a (relatively) wimpy one just to test things out. An unloaded CPU and GPU draw much less power so you don't need the full 550 Watts of your current one.

Ok, tried a brand new PSU. Tried turning it on with just the video card and HDD plugged in, after 2 seconds, complete shut down. Tried without the HDD, same thing. Pulled the video card out, same thing. Pulled out the RAM just for kicks, same thing. Tried it when the only thing plugged in was the mobo (it's plugged in in two different places: big ass plug and somewhere near the top left next to a heat sink.

Could it be a fried motherboard?

Specs:
Power Supply: Now a Corsair 650W Power Supply
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6600 (2x 2.4GHz)
Motherboard:  Asus P5N32-E SLI nForce 680i SLI Chipset
Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 2x1024mb RAM
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Sound: Creative Lab Sound Blaster X-Fi
Hard Drive: 250gb SATA-II 7200rpm
CD/DVD Drive ( 16x DVD-ROM Drive)
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive 18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVDR/RW + CD-R/RW)
Intel Pro 10/100/1000 Network Card


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 15, 2009, 07:37:32 PM
You can put in a (relatively) wimpy one just to test things out. An unloaded CPU and GPU draw much less power so you don't need the full 550 Watts of your current one.

Ok, tried a brand new PSU. Tried turning it on with just the video card and HDD plugged in, after 2 seconds, complete shut down. Tried without the HDD, same thing. Pulled the video card out, same thing. Pulled out the RAM just for kicks, same thing. Tried it when the only thing plugged in was the mobo (it's plugged in in two different places: big ass plug and somewhere near the top left next to a heat sink.

Could it be a fried motherboard?
Could be. Is this your own PC/motherboard that can fit your CPU?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 15, 2009, 07:40:14 PM
Hmm, sorry, but I'm not quite sure what you're asking. I am that clueless.  :grin: The computer arrived from iBuyPower all put together already, with those specs. The only thing I did was configure it on the website using their constraints. The only things I've done since is add RAM, go to Vista Ultimate, and now change the power supply.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 15, 2009, 09:10:17 PM
Do you have another computer that's running a Core (2/Quad) CPU?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on April 15, 2009, 09:44:02 PM
Does sound like it's either the CPU or mobo .. CPUs are pretty darn reliable these days, so my money is on the mobo being fried. But since you'd have to buy a new mobo anyways, might as well get a new CPU to go with it!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on April 15, 2009, 10:02:16 PM
My friend bought an IBuyPower system a few years ago, against my advice not to. He has crappy problems with his system as well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 16, 2009, 07:33:28 AM
Yea, I'm kinda disappointed here. My eight year old Alienware box has been fine as a media server with no problems at all. Both laptops the kids use and abuse have never had anything but a single hard drive failure. Heck, just for kicks I turn on the Mac SE from 1998 and all I ever did there was go to a whopping 2.5mb of RAM from the original 1mb.

I've got another year of labor coverage left on the warranty with iBuyPower so I was thinking of sending it back to them. But then I looked at some of the mobo/CPU combos at Newegg and came across this combo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.181182) (Intel P45 and Q8200 2.33GHz processor) for what appears to be a pretty attractive price of $284.98. I assume it does not arrive with the processor already on the board. So for a neophyte like me, am I better off:

1. Eating the shipping cost and having iBuyPower do all this for me. I still need to buy the parts from them but at least have (some) confidence they'll be able to install/configure.
2. Buying the mobo/CPU combo and Newegg and taking a crack at it?

Do you have another computer that's running a Core (2/Quad) CPU?
Oh, no. My old one is a Pentium 4.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 16, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
Mwave.com will assemble for you if you don't trust iBuyPower. Installing a CPU with the stock fan is straightforward though you probably will need to pickup some thermal paste and there is some technique involved. Some aftermarket CPU coolers can be a fricking pain in the ass to install.

Personally I think being able to build your own computers is a useful skill for "gaming enthusiasts" and it's really not that hard or dangerous, especially these days (in the old days with AT power supplies and CPUs/MBs without built-in thermal protection cutoffs it didn't take too much effort to fry your CPU or motherboard during install). However I understand people that just want to treat the computers as "black boxes" and don't want to muck around in there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 17, 2009, 09:33:12 AM
Hmm ok thanks Trippy. It all seems pretty straightforward, and for the types of games I'm focusing on these days, it might be a good time to finally take a shot at it. Being able to set CPU chips was about the only thing concerning me. I just know myself and paste  :oh_i_see:. Everything else I've done in some form or another over the years.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 17, 2009, 10:11:50 AM
I just took a look at the bundles over at Mwave. Man why I didn't I just go there first. Assuming just dropping the assembled/tested mobo into my case is a simple matter of taking the whole thing apart and plugging in the right stuff from the PSU, I might just go this route.

Right now my (presumably dead) mobo supports SLI. I bought it in case I wanted to go that route, but two years later don't really see a need to. My vidcard seems fine, I have a brand new power supply, and already have the RAM. In NiX's advice thread, you pointed towards ASUS as a good board. So at Mwave, I'm looking at:

  • ASUS P5Q SE intel p45 chipset ATX form factor 1xPCI-E(x16)/2xPCI-E(x1)/3xpci/4xddr2 w/sata2,lan(gb),usb 2.0 & audio (cpu type:intel - socket 775)$97.
  • Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz- $284.

I wanted to try and keep it under $400. I don't really get the differences between all the motherboards. I just wanted a slot for the vidcard, one for the Sound Blaster board, and a third in case I ever want to put in the wifi card (doubtful though). There's four slots for RAM in case I ever do want to go to a 64bit OS to break the 3gb barrier.

Look good?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on April 17, 2009, 02:44:42 PM
Here's one for you guys. I have the following chunk of code:

<iframe src="http://www.homeinsight.com/Widget/default.asp?F1GEILAE2T5V" id="iframeWidget" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" style="height:380px; width:175px;" allowtransparency="true"></iframe>

It creates a nice little framed widget if I put it on to a webpage. It's a little complex, because it includes fields to fill out, a next page button, etc.

What I would like to do, is find a way to get it in to other things, like an Outlook signature, Craigslist ad, Facebook, that sort of thing.
Any suggestions from web gurus here on how to approach that would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 17, 2009, 03:31:02 PM
craigslist only supports a limited number of tags and i doubt iframe is one of them.  You might be able to get it into an outlook sig but my guess is it will trigger the "the following email may contain malicious content" type of flag or at the very least do the click here to download linked content type of thing.

To test on outlook just browse to your signature file in explorer and directly edit the .htm one to include that link.  I would steer clear of trying to add any sort of html to an outlook sig using the built in edit signature functionality (think of creating html using word).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on April 18, 2009, 05:32:00 AM
New GFX card arrived it says minimum PSU requirement is 500w and the one I'm using is a 450w. Is there a risk of permanent damage to anything if I test it out to see if it works before replacing the PSU?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on April 18, 2009, 05:42:03 AM
  • ASUS P5Q SE intel p45 chipset ATX form factor 1xPCI-E(x16)/2xPCI-E(x1)/3xpci/4xddr2 w/sata2,lan(gb),usb 2.0 & audio (cpu type:intel - socket 775)$97.
  • Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz- $284.

I wanted to try and keep it under $400. I don't really get the differences between all the motherboards. I just wanted a slot for the vidcard, one for the Sound Blaster board, and a third in case I ever want to put in the wifi card (doubtful though). There's four slots for RAM in case I ever do want to go to a 64bit OS to break the 3gb barrier.

Look good?
Sure.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on April 19, 2009, 10:53:30 AM
Just got my new PC up and running (Thanks for that, guys!).

I decided to put Windows 7 on it for now (build 7077 for now). Any ideas for decent freeware anti-virus/spyware that will work on 7?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Miguel on April 19, 2009, 11:02:07 AM
New GFX card arrived it says minimum PSU requirement is 500w and the one I'm using is a 450w. Is there a risk of permanent damage to anything if I test it out to see if it works before replacing the PSU?

If your card draws more juice than your power supply can handle, you'll load the voltage rails down and the whole thing becomes flaky.  You'll get BSOD's, freezes, crashes:  you name it.  Other than that I doubt you have anything to worry about.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on April 19, 2009, 12:00:36 PM
I decided to put Windows 7 on it for now (build 7077 for now). Any ideas for decent freeware anti-virus/spyware that will work on 7?
I'm using Avira with the build 7000 x64. Avast! gave me the occasion bsod from interfering network drivers when using network drives. Nod32 (beta) was great, but my beta expired and my sub has run out. Avira does fine, is free, has the daily popup (easily disabled) annoyance. And it's found all the virii in the attachments I've gotten from work  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on April 20, 2009, 10:47:16 AM
What I would like to do, is find a way to get it in to other things, like an Outlook signature, Craigslist ad, Facebook, that sort of thing.
Any suggestions from web gurus here on how to approach that would be appreciated.

When you use an iframe like that you are linking directly to a third party website (in this case you are the third party).  It's not something most websites allow for all kinds of reasons.  Like, oh, you could suddenly decide to link Goatce into the frame, or a pop-up that looks like the hosting website asking for username and password or whatever or an on-load redirect to some other website.

Outlook may allow it but if they do it's because Microsoft has no clue about security because that would be even more exploitable.  Imagine your Grandma opens outlook and clicks on an email from "Your Bank" and in it is a nice alarming account fraud warning notice with a username and password login embedded directly into the email so that she can check on her account safely.

BRILLIANT!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 20, 2009, 12:18:08 PM
outlook allows javascript in your signature block it would not surprise me at all if they allowed an iframe there too.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 23, 2009, 04:44:44 PM
So, a wierd memory problem. Here's the set up:

Motherboard is a 939 AMD socket Asus motherboard
CPU is an Athlon 64 San Diego

It supports both dual and single channel memory. It has 2 banks of 2 slots, a total of 4 slots. The memory is meant to be paired so that one stick of ram in one bank is paired with another stick in the other bank in the corresponding slot to provide dual channel memory. Alternately, you can ignore that, and simply put one or two sticks in a single bank to have single channel memory.

The problem is that one of the banks seems to be broken. I can put two or one stick of ram into bank 1 and it runs fine, passing all memory tests I throw at it, in single-channel mode.

If, however, I put in two sticks, one in each bank, the tests fail. Using Windows Memory Test from Ultimate Boot CD, I get LRAND errors, where the memory code written gets garbled (I think its hex code, could be wrong) by one or two entries. For example, if the data sent is 0a1b2c3d the result returned is something slightly off, like 0a1b2f3e (should be c and d in the last set). This is just an example.

I have tested over 4 sticks of ram that pass tests in both other boxes and when just using bank 1 in single channel. The moment I use the 2nd bank, the errors emerge.

Has anyone ever encountered something like this before? I must say I am stumped.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on April 24, 2009, 11:03:44 AM
Is the PS2 Slim region free?

Should I buy a PS2 + old good games or go for a PS3 directly?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 24, 2009, 11:15:01 AM
Is the PS2 Slim region free?

Should I buy a PS2 + old good games or go for a PS3 directly?

I do not think the PS2 Slim is region-free.  Seems like someone would have told me if I did not see it, since that would be the Best Fucking Thing Ever, Almost.

I don't know a lot about the current state PS3 BC in practical terms because I'm using a 60GB.  However, I think the number is something like 80% of all titles.  If I had to decide today, I'd probably get a PS2 if I was intent on continuing my PS2 gaming with seriousness.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on April 24, 2009, 11:27:20 AM
Is the PS2 Slim region free?

Should I buy a PS2 + old good games or go for a PS3 directly?

I do not think the PS2 Slim is region-free.  Seems like someone would have told me if I did not see it, since that would be the Best Fucking Thing Ever, Almost.

I don't know a lot about the current state PS3 BC in practical terms because I'm using a 60GB.  However, I think the number is something like 80% of all titles.  If I had to decide today, I'd probably get a PS2 if I was intent on continuing my PS2 gaming with seriousness.

Cheers!

The new 80gig PS3s aren't BC at all from what I've heard.

I've only owned Xbox and Xbox 360, never any Playstations. I'm selling off my 360 and I can't decide if I want to play games like Persona 4, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, God Hand, Viewtiful Joe or go straight for PS3. The reason I'd want to buy a PS3 now is so that I still can find Demon's Souls while it's available and relatively easy to find (I don't want to pay 100$ + a couple of years from now).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 26, 2009, 05:19:44 PM
I'm tired of my vid card crashing.  I'll do surgery on it and turn it into a hand-me-down if it works, but if I'm going to go that far I want a new card for when I fail and it gets trashed.

Motherboard is an Abit IP35 Pro with a PCI Express x16 slot.  (One has 4x bandwidth, for what it's worth.)  Is a PCI Express 2.0 card going to work in that slot?  I know it won't be as awesome if so, but restricting myself to non-2.0 cards seems like I can't get anything above a 9xxx series.

I'll take recomendations.  ~$100 +/- $50.  Quiet and cool is good.  My dying one is an ECS with the monster heat sink, and it was great, never getting over 56 C.  I think the 8xxx series problems or general memory failure got to it though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on April 27, 2009, 09:57:47 AM
Is the PS2 Slim region free?

Should I buy a PS2 + old good games or go for a PS3 directly?

Since you've had a 360, unless you have a major affinity for rpg's you ought to get the PS3, see if you can find one of the BC ones used.  That's what I did without too much trouble, cost me $450 but Schild convinced me it was worth it.

***

-I still need a controller that will work for ps3 and vista64.

-Any Dell users have recommendations for replacing a dead default dell keyboard?

-Wireless network cards?  Anyone like a particular brand or card series?




Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 27, 2009, 11:02:44 AM
-Wireless network cards?  Anyone like a particular brand or card series?

Perhaps shitty advice, but I've been happy just checking customer ratings on newegg and going for something that looked solid.  I cannot even tell you what brand it was that I installed in my wife's PC that I build just in February, but luckily I was able to download some drivers from the manufacturer that let it work on W7 beta.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 27, 2009, 11:16:03 AM
No one on the vid card?
:sad_red_panda:
-Any Dell users have recommendations for replacing a dead default dell keyboard?
Try Dell (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/category.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&category_id=5840&~ck=anav&sort=price).

Alternatively, if you have some small computer shops nearby you might find one there.  I picked up a spare from a stack they had for $10 each.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 27, 2009, 11:26:38 AM
-Wireless network cards?  Anyone like a particular brand or card series?

Perhaps shitty advice, but I've been happy just checking customer ratings on newegg and going for something that looked solid.  I cannot even tell you what brand it was that I installed in my wife's PC that I build just in February, but luckily I was able to download some drivers from the manufacturer that let it work on W7 beta.

In the last decade somehow cell phone audio and wireless setup have regressed.  I use linksys religiously, that said they ain't what they used to be.  Once you are finished installing whatever you end up with you may want to ditch all the vendor grown wifi management and revert to the built in windows stuff.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 27, 2009, 11:51:28 AM
No one on the vid card?
:sad_red_panda:

I was hoping someone would chime in before I re-posted the link to that Tom's article.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/benchmarks,30.html
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon-geforce-gtx,review-31554.html


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 27, 2009, 12:11:19 PM
I would have chimed in on the vid card issue but I really don't know about the 4x bandwidth issue. I suspect that they are backwards compatible, but that's an entirely unresearched hunch. Word on the street is that the GTX 275 is the price point sweet spot (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-275,2266.html), but other than that..


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on April 27, 2009, 01:57:05 PM
Q3 2008 is a long time ago in video card terms.

The 4850 or a GTS250 would be right in your price range, and a pci-express 2.0 card should work fine in a 1.0 slot. The GTX275 is quite a bit pricier, and the 4870s haven't dropped below $150 (except this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161268) or this better venting one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102810) with rebate)

That said, the 4870 512m I have runs everything maxxed out at 1920x1200 except Crysis. Which isn't much fun anyway.

Or if you can wait a few weeks, I'll be selling a 9800gtx.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 27, 2009, 02:55:58 PM
I can wait, but if it's used, I'm probably not willing to pay enough to make it worth your while.

As long as the 2.0 cards are compatable with 1.0 slots I'll look into those.  That was my biggest concern.  No point in getting all excited about how awesome a card is if it won't work.

Also I should have qualified:  I'm not interested in a Radeon.  Buyer's remorse, even if it was several generations back.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on April 27, 2009, 04:33:17 PM
Any ideas as to why I need to periodically hard-reset my Belkin wireless route? By hard-reset, I mean unplug it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 27, 2009, 06:19:41 PM
Belkin is Swahili for "failure"?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on April 28, 2009, 01:18:52 AM
Belkin is Swahili for "failure"?

I think it's actually an English synonym now too  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Jobu on April 29, 2009, 03:12:24 PM
I've always built my own computers for myself and my wife, but my wife's patience for the troubleshooting part of the process is non-existent. She needs a new machine, so I'm probably just going to buy a premade one from somewhere to save her the hassle. The only experience I have with premade computers though are the Dells I have at work. I really like them, they've always been pretty solid and stable. Has anyone had any good experiences with other brands?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 29, 2009, 03:19:47 PM
no


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on April 30, 2009, 01:03:10 AM
I have decided that self-building is LESS hassle than pre-mades. At least when you build it yourself you know you're not a dribbling idiot and you give a shit if it works or not.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on April 30, 2009, 07:58:31 AM
My take on it is even if you get a vendor built machine you will want to reinstall the OS to decrapify it and since that is the most time consuming bit you may as well just build your own.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 30, 2009, 08:02:54 AM
The best thing about Dell is that you can point people to their web site and let them buy their own fucking machine.  That is not to be underestimated as a selling-point.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on April 30, 2009, 08:52:40 AM
The problem with a pre-built is you never know exactly what is in the machine and that becomes a big pita down the road when something breaks.  It also is a fucking hassle when you have a hardware issue or you want to upgrade.  My other gripes are that they bundle a shitton of stupid on your machine, they don't give you a real windows disc and the cases that pre-builts use are fucking retarded, they are designed to stop you from getting inside them.  All I know is short term pre-built is nice but if its a machine you want to use 3+ years from now you'll be much happier if you do it yourself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on April 30, 2009, 10:34:18 AM
The one significant advantage to dell machines is that their CPU cooling is second to none, short of some very serious fiddling with after market heat reduction options. Dells, in my experience, have all had these custom job heat cowls that cover the entire CPU fan/sink and shunt the heat right out of the box.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on April 30, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
Yeah.  If I wasn't using a monster direct touch pipe cooler I'd want the Dell heat cowl.  Also buy a full-size desktop and Dells are no problem to break into and tinker with.  The space saving models have that trade-off, but then most business users have no, ahem, business fiddling with the internals.

I have decided that self-building is LESS hassle than pre-mades. At least when you build it yourself you know you're not a dribbling idiot and you give a shit if it works or not.
It's still worth it with friends or parental units you don't want to do regular maintenance for.  Format and Forget.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on April 30, 2009, 12:33:31 PM
Yea, that's only if I'm going to use it myself.  If Uncle Jimmy has a problem with his Dell I told him to buy, I'll have him use the warranty.  If he needs an upgrade, I sent him to dell.com again.  For my own wife, though, I built it from parts and threw a beta OS on there because it will be my headache anyway.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on April 30, 2009, 04:43:39 PM
My friend used his laptop's wireless to get a connection to his 360, will that same method work giving one to my desktop?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on April 30, 2009, 06:24:57 PM
What are you trying to get onto your 360? Assuming both are on the same router and you've either got Media Center or Vista, it's simply a matter of configuring those to share onto the network and then on the X360 setting up that PC as a source for media content. Last I checked it supports music, movies and photos. I don't know about sharing games, but I suspect not.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on April 30, 2009, 10:05:46 PM
It's still worth it with friends or parental units you don't want to do regular maintenance for.  Format and Forget.
On the software preload point. The amount of time to remove everything and clean it up isn't worth it, not even mentioning how to explain this to a family member. Generally if a friend/co-worker/family needs a PC I offer to "setup" their pc with an nlite/vlite build of their OS/patches/drivers + avg + split partitions (os/data aka user folders) and part image of the running system on the data drive.

This ends up being the same amount of time on building one for them or buying the dell as the disc has to be built, download the latest drivers and system installed/imaged.

So I'm with you, make it idiot proof and save as much time as possible  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 01, 2009, 10:01:38 AM
What are you trying to get onto your 360? Assuming both are on the same router and you've either got Media Center or Vista, it's simply a matter of configuring those to share onto the network and then on the X360 setting up that PC as a source for media content. Last I checked it supports music, movies and photos. I don't know about sharing games, but I suspect not.

It's a weird question and most people assume what you're explaining. I mean, my friend used his laptop as a wireless card for his 360. Laptop would receive a wireless signal, and by plugging his laptop into his 360, the 360 would be able to connect to the internet. Would this same method, plugging my laptop into my desktop instead, net me the same results?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 01, 2009, 12:12:03 PM
Get a real router.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on May 01, 2009, 12:20:26 PM
The x-box 360 has an Ethernet port.  It works just like every other computer with an Ethernet port in the entire world.

So, uh, yes you can share your internet connection via the Ethernet port on the XBox 360 IF you have 2 Ethernet cards in your PC.  But what Trippy said is the correct answer.

By a 20 dollar router and plug the PC and XBox into it and the cable modem (or whatever) into it's WAN port.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 01, 2009, 12:26:14 PM
You only need one Ethernet port on the machine that has the Internet connection if it's using something like USB to connect to the "modem". E.g.:

Cable Modem <- USB -> Laptop <- Ethernet -> Xbox 360

or

Cable Modem <- USB -> Laptop <- Ethernet -> Desktop PC


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 01, 2009, 12:36:49 PM
Getting back to NiX's original question, yes in theory you can use Internet Connection Sharing and your laptop that's connecting to a wireless router/bridge to give an Internet connection to an "isolated" desktop PC but that's like backwards since your laptop always has to be on for your desktop PC to have a connection. You are better off moving your wireless router closer to your desktop PC so you can connect it with an Ethernet cable. If for some reason that's not possible you can get a wireless access point with an Ethernet connection and plug in your computer that way or get a wireless card/board for your desktop PC.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 01, 2009, 02:22:11 PM
I have a router and it's just a temporary fix until we can figure out if it's possible to run the ethernet cable outside the house because the house is too old to run it inside. Otherwise I'll just buy a card for my desktop.

Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on May 01, 2009, 02:36:57 PM
Or you could just run another router and connect them wirelessly? Then wire into the second router from the 360.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 01, 2009, 03:05:11 PM
Would another router pick up a better signal?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on May 01, 2009, 03:12:11 PM
My thoughts were it would be a more permanent solution. We use a WDS here so we didn't have to run some wires through an old and inimical building, figured it might be a good fit for the same reasons.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 01, 2009, 03:24:06 PM
Doesn't matter if it picks up a better signal. It's the cheaper solution. I'd think a wireless card would be cheaper, not more expensive.

Anyone have any experience with the WRT54G2? I currently have a WRT54G running the wireless signal, figure they would work well together.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on May 02, 2009, 10:20:51 AM
Anyone have any experience with the WRT54G2? I currently have a WRT54G running the wireless signal, figure they would work well together.

Using one right now. I loaded DD-WRT on it and its working great. It's got a faster processor in it but it runs vxworks.

A how-to (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT54G2) on how to flash it. If you do flash it out of the box it set's up with a max active connections of 512, so set it higher(4096) under Administration -> Management -> IP Filter Settings -> Max Ports

WARNING: It is currently not possible to restore Linksys firmware after DD-WRT has been flashed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on May 02, 2009, 12:26:35 PM
Speaking of which, I'm about to put Gargoyle (http://www.gargoyle-router.com/) on a new WRT54GL1.1, anyone have any experience they want to share?  Apparently I can do it all through web browser, no ssh/telnet 4tw since I haven't used telnet since fuck I dunno back when we were playing games on heat/mplayer/kali?

To add one last point on the pre-built thing, they NEVER partition the fucking drive, which kills me.  Every goddamn prebuilt I end up looking at looks like this:
-constant use by stupid enduser for 2+ years
-this ofc means they have all this precious shit they can't afford to lose!!!
-but the goddamn HD isn't partitioned which means I can't get rid of this bloated fucked up slow Windows install without killing all their shit
-there is NO windows cd, just some recovery disc, system restore, here have a facefull of stupid software you don't want bullshit

That experience has repeated itself enough times and with enough different people that I'm firmly in the fuck pre-built machines for life camp.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 02, 2009, 12:43:24 PM
So, I'll be installing W7RC. I have 4 partitions on 1 drive. If I format the Windows partition, it shouldn't touch the others, right?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on May 02, 2009, 01:59:49 PM
Is it possible to play some PlayStation 2 games on a new 80-gig PlayStation 3? I got that impression after looking at Sonys capability website (http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus) (the right option "Model CECHE01").


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on May 02, 2009, 06:50:08 PM
So, I'll be installing W7RC. I have 4 partitions on 1 drive. If I format the Windows partition, it shouldn't touch the others, right?

"Shouldn't". It is beta, but I don't expect it would touch the other partitions without you asking it too - but it may mess with your boot sector.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 02, 2009, 10:20:41 PM
That experience has repeated itself enough times and with enough different people that I'm firmly in the fuck pre-built machines for life camp.
Once again, why I format when the machine arrives.  I can set it up how I want and without all the crap.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 04, 2009, 08:44:09 AM
So, I'll be installing W7RC. I have 4 partitions on 1 drive. If I format the Windows partition, it shouldn't touch the others, right?

The W7 beta did not fuck with my second partition on install, so I'd love to expect the RC would also be as kind.  I still might unplug my other disks, though.

Is it possible to play some PlayStation 2 games on a new 80-gig PlayStation 3? I got that impression after looking at Sonys capability website (http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus) (the right option "Model CECHE01").

Sure, it is entirely possible and I keep hearing it's 80% of the PS2 library that works.  The only issue is that the 80GB must do software emulation, while ye olde 60/20GB contained actual PS2 chips.  As such, emulation could cause problems with certain titles.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on May 04, 2009, 08:49:16 AM
So, wait, even the PS-3's that don't claim to be backward compatible actually are, at least partially, backward compatible through emulation?

I just looked up Persona 3 on that link above and it said it runs fine on the 80 GB model.

They might want to clear that aspect up a bit in their literature.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on May 04, 2009, 08:52:56 AM
So, wait, even the PS-3's that don't claim to be backward compatible actually are, at least partially, backward compatible through emulation?
No. They aren't. There was a transition period where a few shipments over the course of a few months of 80GB had software emulation. It should say it on the box and in the manual for those releases. Post the 80GB, they do not have software emulation.

The software emulation is mostly crap anyway.

Edit: Also, you've got some errant hyphenation going on there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 04, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
Since I have a 60GB, I haven't paid much attention to it.  I think Sony changed their minds at some point and would like for you to buy a PS2 Slim.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 06, 2009, 05:09:54 PM
I'm using the WMP54G wireless card. Whenever I play online games (Steam, StarCraft so far) I get lots of choke in bursts. It's not severe and only happens so often, but it's a known problem. I tried to find a fix and only came up with gaming sites with FPS junkies whining. Is there anything I can do to fix it or should I suck it up and deal with it? My router is a WRT54G running at 54MBPS, signal strength is excellent and I'm the only person on the network.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 06, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Get wired?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 07:17:58 AM
I need to adjust some partitions on a live Windows machine and I don't want to spend a lot (any) money.  halp?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on May 07, 2009, 07:20:06 AM
I need to adjust some partitions on a live Windows machine and I don't want to spend a lot (any) money.  halp?

Don't install Windows 7?

I mean, I know there isn't a single REAL reason you're doing it. Feeling left out isn't a reason, sah.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 07:22:24 AM
The reason is I want to stop using W7 beta (since it has some issues) without going back to XP.  I don't want to go back to XP because its 64-bit implementation might as well not exist.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on May 07, 2009, 07:24:43 AM
The reason is I want to stop using W7 beta (since it has some issues) without going back to XP.  I don't want to go back to XP because its 64-bit implementation might as well not exist.

Wow. That's a lot of OS tinkering on one drive. Uhmmmmmmmmmmmmm, back up all the important stuff and do a full format is the best option. You could repartition but that's not particularly safe, is it?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 07:39:11 AM
You could repartition but that's not particularly safe, is it?

No, not safe at all but you can't live your life in fear.  All of the important stuff is not on C:, so as long as I don't dick up the other partition on that disk, I'll be fine.

If there isn't a decent repartition option, I'll just format and do a clean install.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on May 07, 2009, 09:03:23 AM
You could repartition but that's not particularly safe, is it?

No, not safe at all but you can't live your life in fear.  All of the important stuff is not on C:, so as long as I don't dick up the other partition on that disk, I'll be fine.

If there isn't a decent repartition option, I'll just format and do a clean install.

Do you have another large drive to temporarily hold stuff?  If you have a copy of ghost you could ghost each of your partitions, then wipe the original drive and partition it the way you wanted and ghost back to the newly resized partitions.  Or you could just find a copy of partition magic.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 07, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
I believe that the latest OpenSUSE will let you resize windows partitions during the installation phase, so that may be a work around. You'd have to install Linux, of course, but I think after that you could nuke the Linux partitions, the lilo/grub sector and finally, wipe the MBR and as long as your windows partition is the primary active, you can just use the installation disk to repair the boot sector to boot from Windows again. I am not sure there's a free product to do this otherwise. If you were willing to spend $70, I'd suggest Partition Magic from Symantec (daylight robbery, I know).

I also like Salamok's solution. More time intensive, but pretty guaranteed to work.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 09:20:56 AM
I am somehow low on contiguous free space, but the idea of repartitioning that disk is appealing.  Or just doing a clean install.  I'll have to think about it.

I actually do have a copy of ghost from 1997.  I'm sort of afraid to use it. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 07, 2009, 10:01:25 AM
Hmm, did they even have ghost for NTFS back then? Weren't we still all in fat32 land unless we were using Windows NT?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 10:39:17 AM
The GHOST.DOC refers to NTFS so yes... however, I'm still a tad wary of using it.

I had an idea while staring at my disk config.  I have a 70GB disk in here which is less than half full, so I moved all that junk to one of the larger disks and will format it and install on there.  After that I might see about trying a multiboot since I'll still have a 20GB partition laying around.

EDIT: my ghost version = Version 3.1d (8-28-97)  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on May 07, 2009, 10:42:42 AM
I need to adjust some partitions on a live Windows machine and I don't want to spend a lot (any) money.  halp?
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd ?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 10:45:46 AM
I need to adjust some partitions on a live Windows machine and I don't want to spend a lot (any) money.  halp?
http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd ?

Good suggestion but I was hoping to avoid a lot of work... although that might not be too much bother.  I think the easiest solution is the one I mentioned previously.  Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on May 07, 2009, 10:46:30 AM
$50 hard drive is the easiest solution.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 07, 2009, 10:58:35 AM
I can now confirm that OpenSUSE 11 does indeed do a nice resizing of Windows 7 partitions. I just shrunk my Win7 partition from 130gb to 80 without a hickup.


Downside is that you end up with a SUSE os installted, and if you don't want that, you'll have to nuke the linux partitions, and wherever you installed grub to. The Win7 CD should come with the boot sector repair tool that vista comes with. That will pretty much re-write the Master Boot Record and you're in business.

On a C2D 6400 with 1 gig of ram it took all of 20 minutes to do.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on May 07, 2009, 01:57:23 PM
Hmm, did they even have ghost for NTFS back then? Weren't we still all in fat32 land unless we were using Windows NT?

yip there is a switch to get it to work with NTFS.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 07, 2009, 10:37:23 PM
$50 hard drive is the easiest solution.

Using the 70GB disk already sitting in my machine was the easiest.  Of course, it's also the most ancient of all my disks...

The disk manager in W7 does a little partition stuff.  There's an option to grown and shrink partitions, unfortunately it only let me shrink the one I wanted by 89MB.  I was able to extend the partition which previously lived on my 70GB disk into the 4GB empty space (that 4GB hole was where Windows lived in Ye Olde Days) but it ended up being a "dynamic" partition; this confused and frightened me, because I'm just an unfrozen caveman computer nerd, so I just deleted it and made a new one.

As long as I don't find anything weird, I'll eventually remove the OS on the 20GB partition and maybe put something else in there... Ubuntu?  Porn?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 11, 2009, 04:25:55 PM
Hurr, really weird and gut-wrenching problem with the PC.

Was watching a video, and just let the pc sit there when it finished. System appeared to go into standby (which it had done before, in a normal fashion), monitor is power-save mode and all. I click tthe mouse to bring the system back up, and....nothing. Tried again, and hit a few random keys, but to no avail. Then both of my USB peripherals go dead. System is now entirely unresponsive. When powering up, all the fans come on, and the mobo power indicator light is green, but the system does not even POST, and send no signal to the monitor. :uhrr:

....HALP?

Intel Q9950
XFX GeForce GTX 260
ASUS P5QL PRO LGA 775 Intel P43 ATX Intel Motherboard
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V PSU
LITE-ON 22X DVDR DVD Burner with LightScribe Black E-IDE/ATAPI
Western Digital Caviar GP WD7500AACS 750GB 5400 to 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive
CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) RAM

Gonna try disconnecting some of the components one at a time, trying only 1 stick of RAM, etc, but somehow I think I might have something worse....at least I don't see any evidence that a capacitor has blown.
 

EDIT: I tried clearing BIOS, and my mobo was nice enough to allow me back into BIOS and offer to let me do recovery. I'm currently just letting the system idle on the hardware monitor, where the CPU is idling at about 36.5c while laying on its side with the side panel/fan off (somewhat above room temp - it's warm here, even moreso in my room). Haven't tried going back into W7. Any idea what may have caused the problem, and/or how i could prevent it from reoccuring?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 11, 2009, 05:17:01 PM
I'd peel off the heat sink and check the thermal paste pattern (try not to smear it too much when pulling it off) to see if it was mated well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 11, 2009, 05:27:37 PM
Man, that stupid stock cooler was a huge bitch to get on in the first place; I was afraid of cracking the mobo or something.

Is it possible to just stick it back on after removing it for a short time?

Hell, I'm half-tempted to just buy a new cooler if I need to peel this one off at all; are others, such as Zalmans, easier to install? The stock Intel push-bolt things are....unwieldy.


If it's a heat issue, really odd that it would choose to pop up this far after the initial assembly of the system, and when the system was not even under load.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 11, 2009, 05:35:46 PM
The likely culprits are the power supply and the CPU shutting itself down (either cause it's not mated well to the heat sink or the heat sink fan stopped spinning). I agree it would be odd for the CPU to shut down if it was just "idle". The problem is, it's (sort of) working now, so it's kind of hard to check that the power supply is "working".

I don't know about installing Zalmans in Intel sockets but on AMD their heat sinks usually are the back brace/screw in kind, which I prefer greatly over any sort of "tension"-style clips/pushpins, even though that often means taking out the motherboard to fiddle with the heat sink (if the back brace has some padded sticky tape on it, sometimes you can readjust the heat sink without taking the motherboard out).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on May 11, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
Aftermarket coolers are usually the hardest part of any build I've been involved in but I usually go for the biggest thing I can get my hands on.  I'd guess the problem is with the mobo, start there and see if you can get it to post again.  I had my current machine go into sleep mode on accident (fuck you btw vista) and it wouldn't come out and I ended up in a very similar situation.  Clearing the CMOS was the fix.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 11, 2009, 06:03:45 PM
Appears to have been the problem here, as I'm posting from my normal PC again. I'll probably do a few reboots this evening, just to jump into BIOS and check temps. From RTFM, I had gone into S3 (suspend to RAM) sleep mode. Not the first time my PC had gone into that deep sleep, but now I'm just going to force it to only use S1 (power on suspend) mode, which I'm going to guess is the "classic" sleep mode.

Total aside, but any suggestions for Heat Sinks/Fans for a Q9550? Really have no good idea who is reputable at this point. Note: Don't need big and monstrous, just something that might be on the smaller side but gets the job done. I do not OC.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 11, 2009, 08:16:17 PM
I love my Xigmatek 1283.  It's way more heatsink than I need considering I don't overclock and have a Q9300, but until I fiddled with the motherboard the other day it was keeping my CPU cold.  I'm just waiting for my brackets to arrive so I can reseat it, since I am not fiddling with those damn clips again.  Worst design I've seen yet.

Even though you probably don't need a cooler that big, they're not much more than a cheap fan, and I figure with how cool they keep things it'll more than make up the cost difference of replacement by not stressing my CPU.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 12, 2009, 01:33:03 PM
COD4 doesn't work in 64 bit operating systems. Dual boot 32 bit XP or 7? Or would the Virtual XP work?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 12, 2009, 01:35:23 PM
Depends if they have full 3d functionality within the virtual windows. I suspect that it don't. Also, CoD4 doesn't work at all in 64 bit, even in emulation mode? That totally BLOWS.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 12, 2009, 01:42:24 PM
Virtual XP is out. Friend tried and it doesn't have the power.

CoD4 works, but not the multiplayer. PunkBuster has issues with 64 bit operating systems, something about an API error and they refuse to fix it. Even though it happens to people with Vista/XP 64 too.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 13, 2009, 09:28:20 AM
CD standard is case-insensitive, but what about DVD?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on May 14, 2009, 07:45:03 PM
Virtual XP is out. Friend tried and it doesn't have the power.

CoD4 works, but not the multiplayer. PunkBuster has issues with 64 bit operating systems, something about an API error and they refuse to fix it. Even though it happens to people with Vista/XP 64 too.

Sure it does; here's what you do.
 -Install COD4
 -Download punk buster http://websec.evenbalance.com/downloader/download.php?file=1
 -Run the PBsetup.exe; and select "Add game" and choose COD4
 -It should find your install directory. Then select the COD install and "Check for update".
 -Browse to your COD4 install and the PB directory, mine for example is "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\call of duty 4\PB"
 -Run the pbsvc.exe to install the service on your PC so the game can check your pc.

This has worked fine for me on Vista 64, and I just tested it on Windows7 fine (kept getting punkbuster communication errors till I installed the service correctly).



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on May 14, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
So my network at home has been randomly dropping packets and taking 5+ minutes to load pages the last 2 days.  Time Warner tech support says it's my router dying and not their problem (thanks guys) but when I plug directly into the cable modem from a different computer it randomly does the same thing, just not as much.  Some pages take 5+ minutes to load, others come right up, others can't even be found.  I did a tracert and ping to various problem sites, none of which indicate any issues (with the occasional 3200ms in a random step of the way).  Is there a possibility that some router somewhere is taking a shit and no one wants to admit it or is my ancient Linksys switch and\or cable modem router finally biting it?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on May 14, 2009, 10:06:18 PM
So my network at home has been randomly dropping packets and taking 5+ minutes to load pages the last 2 days.  Time Warner tech support says it's my router dying and not their problem (thanks guys) but when I plug directly into the cable modem from a different computer it randomly does the same thing, just not as much.  Some pages take 5+ minutes to load, others come right up, others can't even be found.  I did a tracert and ping to various problem sites, none of which indicate any issues (with the occasional 3200ms in a random step of the way).  Is there a possibility that some router somewhere is taking a shit and no one wants to admit it or is my ancient Linksys switch and\or cable modem router finally biting it?

You need a better data sample, a traceroute will only show you the conditions of the exact moment of the trace. Monitor the connection for a few hours with mtr (http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/) for unix/windows/mac, or 3d Traceroute (http://www.d3tr.de/) for windows. Set it up to trace two sites, say a google address and an known internal ISP connection (say your ISP's mail server).

This should help you on the way to find the issue.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on May 14, 2009, 10:47:19 PM
So my network at home has been randomly dropping packets and taking 5+ minutes to load pages the last 2 days.  Time Warner tech support says it's my router dying and not their problem (thanks guys) but when I plug directly into the cable modem from a different computer it randomly does the same thing, just not as much.  Some pages take 5+ minutes to load, others come right up, others can't even be found.  I did a tracert and ping to various problem sites, none of which indicate any issues (with the occasional 3200ms in a random step of the way).  Is there a possibility that some router somewhere is taking a shit and no one wants to admit it or is my ancient Linksys switch and\or cable modem router finally biting it?

I had a recent issue like this as well.  TWC sent someone out and they spotted a damaged cable incoming to the house, a bad splitter inside the house, a bad cable modem and my router being bad.  My theory is their bad shit screwed up my router, tell them you bypassed the router and the problem persisted then make them come test everything prior to letting them blow your router again.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on May 14, 2009, 11:12:50 PM
Well the other half did a quick test tonight with a computer plugged directly into the router for hours and it never gave a problem and when switched back it stopped working.  Sounds like either the router or the network switch has problems.  I've used Linksys stuff for years and rarely had problems for almost 10 years on the first set of hardware, but this will be the 2nd switch or router in the last 2 years I've had to replace.  Did they lose their secret formula for making good product or did I just run into bad luck?  I guess the question should be "do Linksys products suck now or should I just replace it and not worry about it?"

All of course naturally assuming that TWC didn't cause my router to give up the ghost - we had an extremely weak signal that got worse over time.  I replaced the ancient rusty cables with higher quality ones and we put an amplifier on the input to the cable modem a while back and the problems disappeared (after TWC phone support told me it was a dead cable modem and go buy a new one).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 14, 2009, 11:35:52 PM
How clean is your power? Do you use a UPS for the router?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on May 15, 2009, 08:56:29 AM
Power's not too bad - haven't checked it in a few years but it was within the +/- 10% we used to design our power supplies to.

Don't use a UPS, just a simple surge protector.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 15, 2009, 09:15:23 AM
You see where I'm going, tho, right? A lynksys router that's worked just fine for years starts to fail. You replace it, and the next one fails. There's two possibilities; Lynksys has been shipping out failing routers for the last two years, or some external factor is hosing them.

Another thing just occured to me; the cabling to the router. It seems unlikely, but a failing wire on a cable may be sending odd low voltage fluctuations that are hosing the routers over time. I've seen individual ports on a switch get hosed by decrepid cabling so I guess it could be something like that. I'd check to make sure the cat5 you are using looks in good shape, without any serious kinks in it. Replace them. Also, you may consider your machine's nic card, and try using another.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on May 15, 2009, 09:48:33 AM
I see where you're going all right.  It's interesting to think about, some of the computers on the switch date back 10 years while a few more are newer.  Naturally I'll be going through the cabling when I change it all out today.

I was more concerned that Linksys had pulled a "cost reduction" effort and was shipping cheaper quality product at the same price as before that had a less impressive lifetime than it did.  I've known plenty of other companies that do that and it is frustrating.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 15, 2009, 10:06:34 AM
I need to mount a filesystem in a case-insensitive fashion for Great Justice.  AIX is blueballing me.  I need options.  Be creative.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on May 15, 2009, 10:13:37 AM
What kind of issues arise if I use Ghost to image multiple computers? Office with VLK, OS key would be OEM Dell.

For the macs I just use Bombich's stuff and it's easy as fucking pie. Ghost (or rather XP/Office licensing) doesn't seem easy as pie. I like pie.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on May 15, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I see where you're going all right.  It's interesting to think about, some of the computers on the switch date back 10 years while a few more are newer.  Naturally I'll be going through the cabling when I change it all out today.

I was more concerned that Linksys had pulled a "cost reduction" effort and was shipping cheaper quality product at the same price as before that had a less impressive lifetime than it did.  I've known plenty of other companies that do that and it is frustrating.

They are not what they used to be.  For some reason ever since the cisco merge they have not been as stable.

How clean is your power? Do you use a UPS for the router?
Doesn't the AC adapter offer protection from all but the worst power situations?

I need to mount a filesystem in a case-insensitive fashion for Great Justice.  AIX is blueballing me.  I need options.  Be creative.
So you are mounting a case insensitive volume (like on a windows box) from the AIX OS which is case sensitive?  You could try renaming all of the files within the volume you are mounting to lower case, the case insensitive host OS shouldn't see the difference.  Other than that i do not know of any tool that will interpret this on the fly for you.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on May 15, 2009, 10:19:23 AM
What kind of issues arise if I use Ghost to image multiple computers? Office with VLK, OS key would be OEM Dell.

For the macs I just use Bombich's stuff and it's easy as fucking pie. Ghost (or rather XP/Office licensing) doesn't seem easy as pie. I like pie.
Configure the machine how you want it, then use sysprep to reseal it back to a preinstallation state, then create your master ghost image. 

Edit: I have only used sysprep on XP and according to this thread it is a bit different on Vista either way this looks to be a helpful thread on sysprep (http://www.windows-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=195)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on May 15, 2009, 10:49:00 AM
Cool, the sysprep was the thing I was missing. Thanks!

Still easier on Macs :P


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 15, 2009, 10:50:08 AM
I need to mount a filesystem in a case-insensitive fashion for Great Justice.  AIX is blueballing me.  I need options.  Be creative.
Umm...does AIX support HFS+? Otherwise, Linux can mount a JFS file system as case insensitive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 15, 2009, 11:14:23 AM
I need to mount a filesystem in a case-insensitive fashion for Great Justice.  AIX is blueballing me.  I need options.  Be creative.
Umm...does AIX support HFS+?

Not so much.  It's not one of the supported types you can create.  These options exist for a cdrfs, however I'm not interested in somehow attaching 100 optical drives.  I'm looking at cifs as a fs type to create, which brings its own headaches.

The mount command has options nocase and upcase but I have confirmed these only work on cdrfs.

Otherwise, Linux can mount a JFS file system as case insensitive.

I've set the local linux hounds on this.  Hopefully they are as smart as you are, otherwise I'll have to *SIGH* learn some linux.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 15, 2009, 11:51:32 AM
Sure it does; here's what you do.
 -Install COD4
 -Download punk buster http://websec.evenbalance.com/downloader/download.php?file=1
 -Run the PBsetup.exe; and select "Add game" and choose COD4
 -It should find your install directory. Then select the COD install and "Check for update".
 -Browse to your COD4 install and the PB directory, mine for example is "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\call of duty 4\PB"
 -Run the pbsvc.exe to install the service on your PC so the game can check your pc.

This has worked fine for me on Vista 64, and I just tested it on Windows7 fine (kept getting punkbuster communication errors till I installed the service correctly).

They weren't communication errors, they were API errors. Different kind of monster there. I had both services running and even changed their privilege level trying to correct it. Until that server side patch went out, it just wouldn't work. Same went for a lot of people.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 15, 2009, 12:00:29 PM
Just for those playing Yegolev: The Home Game, this is the linuxy way to do the ISO mount:

Code:
mount -o loop -i iso9660 image.iso /cdimage

Fancy!  AIX requires dd'ing the ISO into an empty lv and assorted other nastiness.  After that I don't know if it will end up being case-insensitive anyway.  I have a hard time believing that we are the first shop to run into this, but then maybe other shops have money for a real jukebox.  After this fiasco, we might get it.  Or get outsourced.

Pretending for a minute that I wanted to do this, I'd want this to be nfs'ed out to an AIX machine and end up case-insensitive.  Really, though, I'd like to have this work without the ISO.  Firstly, I end up with one fs per ISO which is "unwieldy", and secondly I have to rip all those fucking ISOs and then scp them somewhere.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 15, 2009, 04:23:34 PM

What kind of issues arise if I use Ghost to image multiple computers? Office with VLK, OS key would be OEM Dell.

For the macs I just use Bombich's stuff and it's easy as fucking pie. Ghost (or rather XP/Office licensing) doesn't seem easy as pie. I like pie.

er, well, uhm, you sorta can't, I don't think. the OS key needs to be a volume license key to survive the multiple ghostings. The moment Windows detects a hardware change, or is forced to due to sysprep, its gonna see about that key and if its locked to the original hardware. It won't be, so either it'll hang at sysprep or at first boot (I forget which) on every machine cept the original one.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on May 15, 2009, 04:48:12 PM

What kind of issues arise if I use Ghost to image multiple computers? Office with VLK, OS key would be OEM Dell.

For the macs I just use Bombich's stuff and it's easy as fucking pie. Ghost (or rather XP/Office licensing) doesn't seem easy as pie. I like pie.

er, well, uhm, you sorta can't, I don't think. the OS key needs to be a volume license key to survive the multiple ghostings. The moment Windows detects a hardware change, or is forced to due to sysprep, its gonna see about that key and if its locked to the original hardware. It won't be, so either it'll hang at sysprep or at first boot (I forget which) on every machine cept the original one.

you can use sysprep to strip out the OS key and it will ask you for it on 1st boot up.  Works great with Dells where the OS is on a Dell volume license key and is already stickered right onto the box.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 15, 2009, 04:55:45 PM
Samba on AIX.  Who knew?  That is all.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Selby on May 15, 2009, 11:52:23 PM
Doesn't the AC adapter offer protection from all but the worst power situations?
The big answer is "it depends."  Some modules use large transformers and extensive circuitry to regulate the output, others use a few capacitors and a barely passable regulator.

Turns out the issue was with the router.  Bought a new one for $59.99 and had it back up and running in no time.  I thought it surely couldn't be it, since I was using it extensively the other day to check configurations out, but it was dropping pages left and right and moving between responsive and unresponsive quite regularly when I checked it tonight.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 16, 2009, 02:36:49 PM
Alright, so I need to figure out how to share an internet connection using a USB wireless adapter. I've heard there are USB routers (tiny little things), but haven't been able to find one. Anyway, I have a computer beside the router, which isn't mine, and mine is upstairs. I can't afford to buy another router, but I can get my hands on a USB wireless adapter and I've heard it's possible to make it capable of sharing an internet connection. Anyone know how?

Edit: I've been trying to setup an ad-hoc network, but I can't seem to get Windows 7 to connect to the XP machines ad-hoc wireless network. Any ideas?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 16, 2009, 07:38:14 PM
I imagine that its the same process you would use on a regular wireless adapter, or any network card. There's a little windows wizard thingie to set it up. Haven't done it in a while, tho.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 17, 2009, 10:33:27 AM
I'm suspicious that it's more to do with the W7-vs-XP situation since I had something very similar when I first put W7 beta on my wife's machine.  It has a wireless PCI and was able to connect to the router but filesharing to my XP Pro rig simply did not work.  Not that this helps you any.

I'm pretty sure the USB NIC is like other NICs except slower, never used one myself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on May 18, 2009, 08:12:16 AM
They weren't communication errors, they were API errors. Different kind of monster there. I had both services running and even changed their privilege level trying to correct it. Until that server side patch went out, it just wouldn't work. Same went for a lot of people.

That's really weird because I have played it online for months with no issues same for a friend. the only problem was the install setup puckered on both of ours (steam delivered).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Pagz on May 18, 2009, 07:35:28 PM
If I'm looking to buy a second hand 40GB PS3, what price range should I be looking at before its a ripoff?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on May 21, 2009, 05:27:05 AM
If I'm looking to buy a second hand 40GB PS3, what price range should I be looking at before its a ripoff?

Why a 40 gig? They aren't backwards compatible.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Pagz on May 22, 2009, 03:58:18 AM
If I'm looking to buy a second hand 40GB PS3, what price range should I be looking at before its a ripoff?

Why a 40 gig? They aren't backwards compatible.
Well I mean, it doesn't have to be a 40 gig, I just thought they'd be the least expensive? It doesn't matter if its not backwards compatible.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on May 22, 2009, 04:17:25 AM
A very quick look on eBay seems to indicate that used PS3 prices approach new prices... or at least get very close. I'd say you're unlikely to save much unless you find a really good deal on Craigslist or something. Maybe look at a new one and see if those are outside your budget, at least you'd get a warranty then.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 22, 2009, 02:18:31 PM
Goddamned iBuyPower. Throw me on the list of haters. First I get the computer back with a broken liquid cooler. Then instead of replacing it they instead install CPU fan. This after going to a new mobo and to quad core at 2.83ghz. And after explaining I don't have my computer in a freakin' temperature controlled server room so ambient can get to 75 degrees easily.

So now while I have a computer that at least doesn't shut off within seconds of boot up, it's the CPU seem to be running hot.

Which leads to this question: what's the safe operating range temperates for CPUs? GPUs? Motherboard? I have SpeedFan but the computer is off atm while I let the crappi window AC try it's luck with the room temp.

Edit: Ok, at computer now

  • GPU: 167deg F. Based on info online, this seems within range.
  • Cores: all between 126F and 133F. Again, seems ok.

I do only have two three fans running: CPU, on the nVidia card, going out the back cabinet. Since they didn't put in liquid cooling, I'm thinking of adding a big ass fan in the front for intake.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 22, 2009, 03:47:36 PM
75F ambient temp? That's nothing; my room gets into the 90s.

133F = ~56c, which I would think is within safe operating parameters for the CPU. Is this under full load?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 22, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
Thanks. No, not under full full load. Didn't want to throw ChampO or Godfather 2 at it yet until I heard back from ya all on operating temp.

Do you have just fans on your computer? And do you have an intake fan on the front?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on May 22, 2009, 04:13:17 PM
Man. You make buying a computer sound scary.

It's actually fairly impressive.

My opinion? Throw everything and the kitchen sink at it and stop worrying about the fucking temperature. If shit doesn't work than shit doesn't what. What you're doing now is best classified as "unnecessary wankery."


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 22, 2009, 04:18:05 PM
If you'd been out of a computer for five weeks under the misguided assumption that having the original assembler fixing it would be efficient, you'd feel the same way. If I could do the last fucking month over again I'd just have ripped the goddamned thing apart myself and learned the last bits of what I should have learned long ago anyway.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on May 22, 2009, 04:19:35 PM
If you'd been out of a computer for five weeks under the misguided assumption that having the original assembler fixing it would be efficient, you'd feel the same way. If I could do the last fucking month over again I'd just have ripped the goddamned thing apart myself and learned the last bits of what I should have learned long ago anyway.
If I'd been out of a computer 1 week, I'd have told them to bugger off, wandered over to Fry's or Best Buy or wherever and just bought one. 5 weeks is hilariously long. Too long, in fact. >_>


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 22, 2009, 04:28:16 PM
A good half of it was just shipping it. But yea, if I ever need another gaming computer, I'm building it myself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on May 22, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
75c idle is high for a gpu, and 55c idle seems high for the cores. I'd see how the airflow seems, if both the graphics fan and case fan are exhausting, are they moving enough air you can feel it?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 22, 2009, 05:39:38 PM
75c idle is high for a gpu, and 55c idle seems high for the cores. I'd see how the airflow seems, if both the graphics fan and case fan are exhausting, are they moving enough air you can feel it?
I agree those temps seem too high for just idling on the Windows desktop.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 22, 2009, 06:12:31 PM
Agreed.

Thanks. No, not under full full load. Didn't want to throw ChampO or Godfather 2 at it yet until I heard back from ya all on operating temp.

Do you have just fans on your computer? And do you have an intake fan on the front?

Yes. I have 2 front intakes, 1 side intake, 1 rear and 1 top exhaust. Except for 1 hiccup related to sleep modes, my rig has been unbelievable solid.

And I don't really get AC in my room.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 22, 2009, 06:42:07 PM
Just got back with some fans. There's air coming out of the two exhausts (one side, one back), but it's not like on my older computer. But then, there's a reason people ran for cover when I turned that beast on.

In any case, thanks for the update. I'll see what a better airflow does.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on May 23, 2009, 09:27:07 AM
If the CPU is still running hot, it might be time to redo the paste.  It's possible they put so much on it's acting as an insulator rather than aiding in heat transfer.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 23, 2009, 09:30:47 AM
Yeah, what Lanty said. Also, what type of cpu cooler did they put on it? Just the standard one that comes with your CPU?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 23, 2009, 09:46:15 AM
I'll be flipping pissed if they did what you said Lantyssa. But I'm sorta doubting that atm. They replaced the CoolerMaster liquid cooler with a CPU fan. I've since added the mentioned intake and a separate GPU fan. Cheap tests those. After a few hours of ChampO, I got a hard lock, but I think it might have been the game rather than an overheating anything. While the temperature was high under full load, it wasn't exhibiting any of the sort of usual behavior I've seen.

Right now I have two 80mm intakes and one 120mm exhaust. I'll see how it goes for the next few days. I'd really rather have liquid cooling just because for the first two years I never ever had overheating issues and that's when I was in an even worse environment. But if I go that route, I'll do it myself. I'm done with chuckleheads.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 23, 2009, 03:49:54 PM
If you're not overclocking, I cannot imagine why you'd need liquid cooling.

Just get some decent Arctic Silver and make sure the HSF and CPU are mated correctly. I use the HSF that came in the retail box for my Q9550,and I have no problems.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 25, 2009, 06:03:36 AM
Ok. What about the GPU though? That's still rated as "hot" at 145F.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 25, 2009, 06:20:57 AM
If the GPU idle temp has dropped from 167F to 145F that's better but depending on your GPU (which you haven't told us what you have yet so we've been guessing what "normal" temperatures mean in your case) that still may be high. In comparison my 7800 GT with an aftermarket cooler (the stock fan was too noisy for my tastes) idles at 50C (122F).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 25, 2009, 06:40:48 AM
Ah yea, forgot to post that: 8800GTS w/640mb of RAM.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 25, 2009, 06:45:27 AM
63C idle should be okay then.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 25, 2009, 06:46:46 AM
Ok cool thanks.

I gotta learn me my celcius :-)

Edit: what's a good stress test app that'll show stats and whatnot?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 26, 2009, 08:02:47 AM
Ok, related question. I tried looking up airflow articles at Toms, but they're talking to experts in a language I'm just learning (good learning on diminishing returns with fans though). So I'll ask here.

120mm fan exhaust halfway up the back.
80mm fan intake halfway up the side (basically blows right onto the video card)
120mm fan intake in the bottom of the front (arriving Thursday, I only have an 80mm in there now).
VGA Cooling Fan (cheap bet).

Two questions:

1) How much does fan speed matter? I found a cheap 80mm that goes above 2000rpm to replace the one on the side that only goes to 1200rpm, but I wasn't sure so figured I'd ask.
2) Do I need another exhaust in the top of the case or will the one 120mm in the back do it?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on May 26, 2009, 08:07:52 AM
So I think I'm going to buy a new video card on my way home from work today, and wanted some feedback. Here are the options I'm looking at:

EVGA GeForce GTX 275 633MHZ 896MB 2.26GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card        $278.88 (all prices CDN)
XFX Radeon HD 4890 XT 1GB 875MHZ 1GB 3.9GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Video Card               $279.00 (after $20 mail in)
EVGA E-GEFORCE 9800GT 55NM 600MHZ 512MB 1.8GHZ 256BIT GDDR3 Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV       $119.00 (after $20 mail in)
EVGA E-GEFORCE GTX 260 Core 216 55NM 576MHZ 896MB 1.998GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDTV    $189.99 (after $30 mail in)

Those appear to be the best deals in my current price range. I haven't been keeping up on video cards lately, so any feedback would be appreciated. I'll be upgrading from an 8800GS.

I'd rather not go right too my $300 limit, but I will if it makes sense.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 26, 2009, 08:32:15 AM
Ok, related question. I tried looking up airflow articles at Toms, but they're talking to experts in a language I'm just learning (good learning on diminishing returns with fans though). So I'll ask here.

120mm fan exhaust halfway up the back.
80mm fan intake halfway up the side (basically blows right onto the video card)
120mm fan intake in the bottom of the front (arriving Thursday, I only have an 80mm in there now).
VGA Cooling Fan (cheap bet).

Two questions:

1) How much does fan speed matter? I found a cheap 80mm that goes above 2000rpm to replace the one on the side that only goes to 1200rpm, but I wasn't sure so figured I'd ask.
CFM is more useful than RPM. CFM = airflow measured as cubic feet per minute. Roughly speaking for fans of the same size the one that spins faster should give you larger CFM but that's not a guarantee. Noise is also an important factor unless you don't mind your case sounding like a jet turbine engine.

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2) Do I need another exhaust in the top of the case or will the one 120mm in the back do it?
Only way to know for sure is to test it. (Take temps with and without the top fan).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 26, 2009, 08:33:16 AM
So I think I'm going to buy a new video card on my way home from work today, and wanted some feedback. Here are the options I'm looking at:

EVGA GeForce GTX 275 633MHZ 896MB 2.26GHZ DDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI-I HDTV Out Video Card        $278.88 (all prices CDN)
XFX Radeon HD 4890 XT 1GB 875MHZ 1GB 3.9GHZ GDDR5 PCI-E 2XDVI HDTV Video Card               $279.00 (after $20 mail in)
EVGA E-GEFORCE 9800GT 55NM 600MHZ 512MB 1.8GHZ 256BIT GDDR3 Dual DVI-I HDCP HDTV       $119.00 (after $20 mail in)
EVGA E-GEFORCE GTX 260 Core 216 55NM 576MHZ 896MB 1.998GHZ GDDR3 PCI-E 2XDVI-I HDTV    $189.99 (after $30 mail in)

Those appear to be the best deals in my current price range. I haven't been keeping up on video cards lately, so any feedback would be appreciated. I'll be upgrading from an 8800GS.

I'd rather not go right too my $300 limit, but I will if it makes sense.
What resolution do you run your games at?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on May 26, 2009, 08:38:00 AM
1680 x 1050


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 26, 2009, 08:40:38 AM
1680 x 1050
I'd go with the 260, or a 4870 if you prefer ATI.

The 9800 GT isn't going to be a big upgrade from your existing card (Think 8800 GS to 8800 GT). The 275 or 4890 is most likely overkill at your resolution.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on May 26, 2009, 08:58:10 AM
Thanks man, that'll save me a few bucks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 26, 2009, 09:04:03 AM
Ok thanks Trippy.

And Bunk's question has me thinking about vidcards down the road. If I planned to purchase today, playing at the same 1680x1050, would the 260 be a significant enough upgrade from the 8800GTS? Or would a second 8800GTS in SLI be better?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 26, 2009, 09:41:27 AM
Ok thanks Trippy.

And Bunk's question has me thinking about vidcards down the road. If I planned to purchase today, playing at the same 1680x1050, would the 260 be a significant enough upgrade from the 8800GTS? Or would a second 8800GTS in SLI be better?
2nd 8800 GTS would be better for games that have decent support for SLI. Going from a single G92 8800 GTS to a 260 Core 216, it's going to depend on the game and quality settings. Some games, like say, Source Engine games, you probably won't notice any difference. For other games, like, say Crysis, you'll probably notice a signifcant difference.




Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Bunk on May 26, 2009, 09:57:15 AM
Also worth noting, I have the cheap 8800 that came with 384MB. I would have a really hard time finding a second one to SLI, and wouldn't really want to.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on May 26, 2009, 10:01:24 AM
Try to get something without the mail in rebate, because MIR's are really stupid and they wont give it to you half the time.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 26, 2009, 02:22:05 PM
Ok thanks Trippy.

And Bunk's question has me thinking about vidcards down the road. If I planned to purchase today, playing at the same 1680x1050, would the 260 be a significant enough upgrade from the 8800GTS? Or would a second 8800GTS in SLI be better?
2nd 8800 GTS would be better for games that have decent support for SLI. Going from a single G92 8800 GTS to a 260 Core 216, it's going to depend on the game and quality settings. Some games, like say, Source Engine games, you probably won't notice any difference. For other games, like, say Crysis, you'll probably notice a signifcant difference.

Ah still case by case then. Ok, will wait for now. Nothing has been disappointing me visual/performance wise yet. Just the heat thing.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 26, 2009, 10:25:33 PM
Have you looked at your CPU/HSF again yet?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 27, 2009, 06:40:39 AM
After a few days, it seems to be operating at a pretty steady range. I have Speedfan logs at home, but the pattern of peaks and valleys (I'm a visual guy :wink:) is what I'd expect between idle/load. It's a little warm in my opinion, but when I get the new fans I ordered tomorrow, I'll be able to tell a bit better. Everything I've read says the 8800GTS runs a bit hot. If the fans/airflow don't impact the temperature under load at all, then I'll be taking it apart to see if they borked the thermal paste as Lantyssa had suggested. At that point I might actually just put liquid cooling back in. It's not so much that I need it per se, since according to the specs (and Trippy's confirmation), I'm now running in the safe idle/load range). It's more a piece of mind thing. No matter what I do this computer still sits under my desk blowing air out the back with no flow under that desk.

I still am curious why the last CPU and mobo broke though after only two years. Maybe that's common, but I've never had that happen over the course of four laptops, two Macs and three other desktops (that's not a lot of computers for 20 years, so I accept that luck could be a part). But heck, my old Alienware box is a media server I barely clean that out annually, and my father's been using my 10 year old Dell (from the DRAM days) to run his business for seven years.

The only things I can think of is either they overclocked it the wrong way, or something went crappy on one component and it took down the other one.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 27, 2009, 08:48:57 AM
I have an 8800GT that had a miserable little fan and a dorky heatsink, idling at 70 C (158F) up to 94C (200F) at load .  My box has two 120 front intake fans, one 120 in back and a 120 on the cpu itself. The only thing that brought the GPU temp down was buying an aftermarket zalman GPU fan. It brought the temp down significantly to around 60C at load, 48C at idle.

Not only was the factory cooler's fan miserably small for the task, the 'thermal' paste was gobs and gobs of this white goop, which as Lantyssa suggested earlier, was probably acting as an insulator rather than a conductor.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 27, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
One of these guys? (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118001). I ask because I was checking out one from Artic Cooling (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186016) and in the process also came across this bigger model (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186027).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 27, 2009, 11:53:45 AM
Yep, that's exactly the one I used. I don't know if I would bother with the monstrosity you linked. I'm not convinced it would do a better job.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on May 27, 2009, 12:12:08 PM
One problem I've seen with some watercooling setups, is nothing to cool the other hot bits. Northbridge/Southbridge/MCP/mosfets/heat-generating-chip-o-doom whathaveyou on the board. And as annoying as people find 2slot video cards, I prefer them as it gets more of the heat from the gpu out of the case, rather than having it get pushed off the card into the general area.

And the number of fans isn't as important as getting the air to flow through.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 27, 2009, 01:42:09 PM
Ok, so after the new fans I'll take a look at that Zalman VF900. Thanks guys.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2009, 08:23:15 AM
I have a Win .bat file and I want it to wait instead of closing when it completes, but I forget how to have a batch file request keyboard input.  I just need something stupid that will just wait for input, like 'read'.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on May 29, 2009, 08:48:01 AM
Would the pause command work? Stops the script and wait for any keystroke to continue. Anyways....

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/ntcmds.mspx?mfr=true


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on May 29, 2009, 09:07:49 AM
Would the pause command work? Stops the script and wait for any keystroke to continue.

Yes.  Thank you.  Also thanks for the link, seems like I had that link somewhere in the past but I've been a real dumbass lately.  Too much AIX/SAP/Oracle/DB2/perl/ksh being crammed into my head, pushing out other things.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on May 31, 2009, 01:28:43 PM
Anyone know how to remove dud programs from the Uninstall Programs list in Windows 7? I've tried solutions for Vista and they don't work. The program doesn't show up in Registry either.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on May 31, 2009, 04:14:46 PM
Sorry for the length of these "quick" questions. I'm learning a lot here about topics I never worried about before.

I've been manipulating fan intakes and exhausts, trying to find something optimal for noise and temp, and came across Real Temp (and that awesome Toms Hardware Core Temp article) from SnakeCharmer's summer 2008 cooling opinions thread.

While would Real Temp 3.0 show a core temperature a full 20 degrees C less than SpeedFan?  Here's what I've got going on right now:

  • SpeedFan 4.38- GPU: 58C, Core0: 55C, Core1: 52C, Core2: 52C, Core3: 56C
  • Real Temp 3.00- GPU: 58C, Core0: 31C, Core1: 31C, Core2: 28C, Core 3: 28C

Is Real Temp giving me a thermal junction reading why SpeedFan a case reading? Seems like that could be happening given how close the Core temps are to the GPU.

Is this disparity a result in me flubbing some setting in SpeedFan? Here's what I've got atm in Configure (man I love that these programs use CSV logs):


As an aside, according to Intel, my max core temps should be 76.3C. For the last few nights, my peaks and valleys have looked roughly like this:


I'm not particularly comfortable running that close to the cap. Today I moved some of the fans around. The 120mm in the back seems real wimpy though. Any contemporary advice on a good 120mm? And Trippy, you mentioned earlier that CFM > RPM. Any advice on a good CFM? I've got a this Thermaltake (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999120) in the front, set around 4600RPM (no idea what that is in CFM), but both that 120mm and the other 80mm I have as exhaust on the side don't seem as up to the task as they could be. And I don't want another Thermaltake if I can help it because this one is pretty freakin' loud at max speed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on May 31, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
I like Scythe fans, I'm using Scythe S-Flex Es (http://www.svc.com/sy-fan-sff21e.html) in my case currently, they have slightly louder ones at higher cfm and quieter/lower.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on May 31, 2009, 07:01:42 PM
I like CoolerMaster fans.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on May 31, 2009, 08:18:44 PM
I have all CoolerMaster cases now, but their fans move less air and are noisier than the various scythes. The only fan of their I haven't replaced is the fairly low rpm huge one on the side of the HAF case. ymmv


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on May 31, 2009, 10:24:15 PM
Sorry for the length of these "quick" questions. I'm learning a lot here about topics I never worried about before.

I've been manipulating fan intakes and exhausts, trying to find something optimal for noise and temp, and came across Real Temp (and that awesome Toms Hardware Core Temp article) from SnakeCharmer's summer 2008 cooling opinions thread.

While would Real Temp 3.0 show a core temperature a full 20 degrees C less than SpeedFan?  Here's what I've got going on right now:

  • SpeedFan 4.38- GPU: 58C, Core0: 55C, Core1: 52C, Core2: 52C, Core3: 56C
  • Real Temp 3.00- GPU: 58C, Core0: 31C, Core1: 31C, Core2: 28C, Core 3: 28C

Is Real Temp giving me a thermal junction reading why SpeedFan a case reading? Seems like that could be happening given how close the Core temps are to the GPU.

Is this disparity a result in me flubbing some setting in SpeedFan? Here's what I've got atm in Configure (man I love that these programs use CSV logs):
What CPU do you have and what CPUID is Real Temp reporting? And what is the delta from TJ Max?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on June 01, 2009, 08:10:36 AM
Just as an aside, be careful how much faith you put into the numbers generated by 3rd party temp monitoring utilities.

What they do is poll a register on the MB that the maker of the program is 'pretty sure' is where the MB maker stores the readings.  Those readings are usually pretty straight forward and follow a common format but also sometimes they aren't.

Some MB manufacturers publish that info and others don't.  Also, some of the temp monitoring programs are well maintained and others, not so much.

What I am saying is that you might need to do some homework on how well supported your board/utility combo is.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 01, 2009, 08:23:00 AM
These days temperatures can be read directly from the CPU without having to go through some funky sensor monitoring chip on the MB. Unfortunately the way the Intel CPUs report the information is all fucked up as they report a delta from a value (Tjunction Max) that Intel, for some inexplicable reason, is loathe to publish comprehensively. This is why different programs report different temperatures. Their databases of CPUs have differing values for Tj Max.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 01, 2009, 11:32:40 AM
Today I moved some of the fans around. The 120mm in the back seems real wimpy though. Any contemporary advice on a good 120mm?
Keep in mind the larger fans run slower.  They can still move a lot of air when they feel like they are not doing much because of their increased area. (2.25 increase in area for the 80mm -> 120mm)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 01, 2009, 04:58:29 PM
This is less of a question and more of a "give a hoot, don't be a dumbass": in thinking on how to get Demigod to actually connect to other players, I suddenly got the idea that I should put my DSL modem into DMZ mode.  After all, the only thing connecting to it is my router, which does NAT.  In any case, I wasn't able to see a magical improvement in Demigod but I did finally pass a utorrent port-forward test (after I put the new port number into my router's port-forwarding list).  I also decided to enable security on the DSL modem's wireless adapter even though I have it turned off, and I set it to channel 3 (my router uses channel 1) because I don't trust machines.  I am pretty sure that I am not imagining a slight speed boost, but then again I might be.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 01, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
What CPU do you have and what CPUID is Real Temp reporting? And what is the delta from TJ Max?

CPU: Quad Q9550
Temp being reported: 23, 23, 18, 19 (all celcius)
Delta from TJ Max: 53, 53, 58, 57.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 01, 2009, 05:40:16 PM
*sorry, double post*


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 01, 2009, 06:01:13 PM
What CPU do you have and what CPUID is Real Temp reporting? And what is the delta from TJ Max?

CPU: Quad Q9550
Temp being reported: 23, 23, 18, 19 (all celcius)
Delta from TJ Max: 53, 53, 58, 57.
That looks wrong. What's are the Tjunction Max values Real Temp is showing? It should be 100Cish (it's 100C plus or minus some calibration number). It looks like it's set to 75Cish.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 01, 2009, 06:18:46 PM
Oh, yea, sorry. The default was 100. I set them to 76 based on what Intel said was the max temp for this processor. So I set it back to default. As you would suspect, the numbers increased by 24 :-)

CPU: Quad Q9550 (forgot to add: 2.83GHz)
Temp being reported: 56, 55, 53, 53 (all celcius)
Delta from TJ Max: 44, 45, 47, 47

And you had asked specifically about "CPUID". I couldn't find it originally but saw this in the *.ini file. Says "CPUID=0x1067A".


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on June 01, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
Are those idle or load temps?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 01, 2009, 07:31:08 PM
Idle (3-4% load). Based on one night of Folding@Home (45-50% load) and Battle Forge (13-17% load), temperature seemed to jump up about 12C. I'm headed into Fallout 3 while the log is running to see if it's the same for that too.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 01, 2009, 07:40:34 PM
Oh, yea, sorry. The default was 100. I set them to 76 based on what Intel said was the max temp for this processor. So I set it back to default. As you would suspect, the numbers increased by 24 :-)

CPU: Quad Q9550 (forgot to add: 2.83GHz)
Temp being reported: 56, 55, 53, 53 (all celcius)
Delta from TJ Max: 44, 45, 47, 47

And you had asked specifically about "CPUID". I couldn't find it originally but saw this in the *.ini file. Says "CPUID=0x1067A".
Okay that's more reasonable. Idle temps look a little high by about 5C but going back and looking at your graph I think you are okay CPU cooling-wise now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 01, 2009, 07:43:08 PM
Those temps don't seem a bit high, Trippy?  I mean, my Q6600 overclocked to 3.4Ghz is sitting at 36-38C idle, and mid 50's on load, with ambient temp of about 22C.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 01, 2009, 07:52:41 PM
Ok, just ran Fallout 3 for a few minutes. Results as expected: about 10-12C increase on CPUs with a goodly jump in GPU from 56C to 76C on average.


@SnakeCharmer: definitely interested in that answer too :-) But in struggling to find this exact chip on the Intel Finder tool, I see there's quite a range of max/load temps. There can be some good variance even in the same family. I wish I was running RealTemp before my CPU blew though so I had a frame of reference.

@Trippy: Thanks!

Today I moved some of the fans around. The 120mm in the back seems real wimpy though. Any contemporary advice on a good 120mm?
Keep in mind the larger fans run slower.  They can still move a lot of air when they feel like they are not doing much because of their increased area. (2.25 increase in area for the 80mm -> 120mm)
Good point. Seems like I'm doing ok atm, so I'll probably hold off on new fans.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 01, 2009, 07:54:10 PM
Those temps don't seem a bit high, Trippy?  I mean, my Q6600 overclocked to 3.4Ghz is sitting at 36-38C idle, and mid 50's on load, with ambient temp of about 22C.
From what I can tell given a "standard" (read "non-enthusiast") cooling setup that CPU should idle at around 50C. With a better heatsink/fan and case cooling you can drop it 10C or more but we haven't gotten to that point yet with Darniaq's setup.

Also, unless you know what the Tjunction Max value is for your Intel Core CPU and your temperature monitoring program has it set correctly, you can't trust temperature numbers.

Edit: Actually you can't trust the temperature numbers even if you know the Tjunction Max cause the sensor in the CPU isn't that accurate, and the sensor in the 45nm CPUs are much worse than the 65nm CPUs.

The sensor is more accurate the closer you get to Tjunction Max but the further away you are (i.e. the cooler the CPU) the less accurate the reading.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 01, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
Whoa.  Lots of stuff way over my head.

Anyway, both Real Temp and Speed Fan are reporting identical temps each, and they equal to whats being reported in the bios, so I feel safe, I guess. 

@ Darniaq:  For whatever its work, I'm using a ZALMAN CNPS9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118019) and Antec 900 case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021), using the 4 stock fans all set to 'low' speed, except the very back one set at medium since it's the one that's closest to the CPU fan.  Whisper quiet, with (apparently) good cooling.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 01, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
With your machine only getting a 10-12C increase under load I would say your cooling is fine.

This is less of a question and more of a "give a hoot, don't be a dumbass": in thinking on how to get Demigod to actually connect to other players, I suddenly got the idea that I should put my DSL modem into DMZ mode.  After all, the only thing connecting to it is my router, which does NAT.
I'm uncomfortable setting my main machine as the DMZ since then my router isn't acting as a dumb firewall.  I don't trust my neighbors enough to not be spewing gunk all over the network.  If it's a little more of a hassle to stop their traffic dead at the router, it's worth it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on June 02, 2009, 10:18:34 AM
This is less of a question and more of a "give a hoot, don't be a dumbass": in thinking on how to get Demigod to actually connect to other players, I suddenly got the idea that I should put my DSL modem into DMZ mode.  After all, the only thing connecting to it is my router, which does NAT.  In any case, I wasn't able to see a magical improvement in Demigod but I did finally pass a utorrent port-forward test (after I put the new port number into my router's port-forwarding list).  I also decided to enable security on the DSL modem's wireless adapter even though I have it turned off, and I set it to channel 3 (my router uses channel 1) because I don't trust machines.  I am pretty sure that I am not imagining a slight speed boost, but then again I might be.

For peer to peer games you should usually start with setting yourself up on a static ip, then setup some port forwarding.  Sadly the games wont always tell you what ports to forward.  You want to pull off something like this. (http://p2p.weblogsinc.com/2005/04/24/how-to-configure-your-router-to-allow-fast-bittorrent-downloads/)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 02, 2009, 11:44:32 AM
I like how the guide you linked doesn't mention setting a static IP for yourself.  It also doesn't mention what happens if you do this and have UPnP enabled. :awesome_for_real:

Anyway, I have set up port-range forwarding on the router (and have had a static IP on my rig for a while, for great justice), although the first comment about port-triggering is interesting.  I might give that one a try since I'm trusting some guy on the internet as to which ports Demigod uses.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on June 02, 2009, 05:08:08 PM
I want to dual boot OSX and have my own HackinTosh running. It's to help a friend out with something he's working on. I'm not asking for someone to link me to illegal software, I just want all the steps outside of that.

I stumbled upon these two links: how to dual boot (http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/f184/65668.htm) and common issues (http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/f181/60303.htm). Anything else I should know?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on June 02, 2009, 06:36:43 PM
I like how the guide you linked doesn't mention setting a static IP for yourself.  It also doesn't mention what happens if you do this and have UPnP enabled. :awesome_for_real:

Anyway, I have set up port-range forwarding on the router (and have had a static IP on my rig for a while, for great justice), although the first comment about port-triggering is interesting.  I might give that one a try since I'm trusting some guy on the internet as to which ports Demigod uses.

I just grabbed a link off google without reading it, there are tons of guides on how to setup a Static IP, I think that uTorrent has a built in link to guides even.  There is a dsl related site that gives you guides for almost any router under the sun.  Anyways google that shit yourself, sorry that link sucked.  But really as long as you can get into your router's settings in a browser window its all pretty easy to fiddle with and find it yourself.  Its figuring out the game's ports that is usually a bitch in the f2p korean game world.

http://portforward.com/    <--- has a static ip setup guide, since you need it to port forward. 

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=185319

That's a useful thread with some basics and the port settings for ps3/360, might as well do it all while your fucking with your router.

More Port Forwarding Infoz (http://linksys.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/linksys.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=688&p_created=1084219690&p_sid=btIGUT4i&p_accessibility=0&p_lva=358&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPSZwX3B2PSZwX2N2PSZwX3)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 02, 2009, 10:55:58 PM
I know how to forward ports, but as it so happens Demigod is a piece of shit even after the 1.01 patch.  The PS3/360 port info is pretty useful, though, except my 360 doesn't like having a static IP for whatever reason (it's made of garbage and chinese fingertips).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 02, 2009, 11:30:05 PM
Not quite sure how to put this...but do drivers degrade over time?  Degrade may not be the right word, but up until about a week ago, everything was fine.  Now my system is hanging up on startup (Vista Prem 64) at two specific places.  Either when the horizontal progress bar is up, or just shortly thereafter when the mouse pointer appears on the screen.  At first, I thought it was my mouse (Razer DeathAdder - still think it might be) because it wasn't going through its second 'power up' after boot.  So I updated my drivers and it went away for a couple days.  Then the keyboard (G15) started acting a bit wonky on start up, but not going through its second power up cycle.  The mouse is connected to a USB port on the keyboard, so the problem may be starting at the KB.  Is there any way to find a log of any errors on start up?  It does this specifically on start up without fail after being powered off for a few hours.  It seems to correct itself (without fail) by pressing the reset button during the hang on going through the motions again. 

Am updating my G15 drivers and software tonight.  Hopefully this fixes it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 03, 2009, 07:37:06 AM
Not quite sure how to put this...but do drivers degrade over time?

Yes. (http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r6/scv/rl/articles/ser-050323-talk-ref.pdf)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on June 03, 2009, 11:25:08 AM
Not quite sure how to put this...but do drivers degrade over time?

Yes. (http://www.ewh.ieee.org/r6/scv/rl/articles/ser-050323-talk-ref.pdf)

Problem Solved. (http://www.honeywell.com/sites/aero/Data-Processing3_C81A0CEAA-6658-FAB9-52DC-CAA2E754579D_HBA98E945-AC7E-6D56-4466-0FA5D47F769F.htm)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on June 03, 2009, 04:42:18 PM
Edit: Fixed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 05, 2009, 07:48:57 PM
Finally got an enclosure for my old busted 250gb drive. In the enclosure, my PC sees the drive, but can't mount it. I tried a few programs, but none of them see the volume itself.

I'm not really sure just how borked this thing is. Are there any good programs that will a) recognize something, whatever it is, attached; and, b) tell me the type of broken it is and whether it's fixable?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 05, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
If you run Computer Management (or whatever the equivalent is on Vista if you are using that) and look at Disk Management, do you see the drive there? If so what state does it think the drive is in? E.g. does it see a partition or does it think there's no partition on it at all?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mosesandstick on June 06, 2009, 04:40:19 AM
I had a fairly similar problem a while back. Somehow (I assume my brother) the USB connector on my seagate external broke. So I had to take it apart, which was difficult as those things are built like tanks. Once I had the hard disk I tried putting it a new enclosure, connecting it and nothing happened. I waited a few months, tried again, and it works.  :uhrr:

Keep trying!  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 06, 2009, 07:01:44 AM
Thanks. @Trippy: I'll let you know. Right now I'm running GetBackData for NTFS on the other external drive which seems borked. It's 11 hours into its 4 hour process  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 06, 2009, 09:34:28 AM
Just a quick question, right now I have 2 gig RAM (2x Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 1024mb) but I want more. I'm looking at more (Corsair TWIN2X PC6400 DDR2 4GB KIT CL5
Kit w/2x 2GB XMS2-6400 dimm's, CL5-5-5-18, 800MHz) but I'm not sure my motherboard can handle it. I have an Asus P5N-D, nForce-750i SLI.

Also, right now I have a GeForce 9600GT 512mb, would it be better to buy a new completely new graphic card or just to get another 9600 and run with that?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 06, 2009, 10:01:36 AM
Just a quick question, right now I have 2 gig RAM (2x Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 1024mb) but I want more. I'm looking at more (Corsair TWIN2X PC6400 DDR2 4GB KIT CL5
Kit w/2x 2GB XMS2-6400 dimm's, CL5-5-5-18, 800MHz) but I'm not sure my motherboard can handle it. I have an Asus P5N-D, nForce-750i SLI.
What speed is your memory bus running at right now? The RAM you have in there now is actually too slow for your motherboard (or more accurately not rated as fast as the max memory bus speed for your MB). You should be running PC6400 RAM in there (800 MHz memory bus speed). If you are running at 667 MHz (PC5300) you could try running your old RAM at 800 MHz to match the new kit you are looking at or you might have to run the new kit at the slower speed. I.e. you have to run both kits at the same speed.

Quote
Also, right now I have a GeForce 9600GT 512mb, would it be better to buy a new completely new graphic card or just to get another 9600 and run with that?
Get a new card.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on June 06, 2009, 11:48:03 AM
corsairmemory.com has a great tool that lets you look these things up btw.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 06, 2009, 01:06:13 PM
I have a dual memory type motherboard, with 4 slots for DDR2 and 2 slots for DDR3.

240-pin DDR2 DIMM Banking:   4 (2 banks of 2)
240-pin DDR3 DIMM Banking:   2 (2 banks of 1)
Chipset:   Intel P35
DDR2 SDRAM Frequencies:   PC2-5300, PC2-6400 and PC2-8500
DDR3 SDRAM Frequencies:   PC3-6400, PC3-8500 and PC3-10600

I run a Core2Duo E6750. I am currently running DDR2 memory. Can I run DDR3 memory with the current cpu, or do I have to upgrade to a different CPU? Also, would it even be worth it if (would DDR3 be faster than DDR2). I know back when I got this board, DDR3 speeds were not faster than DDR2s.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 06, 2009, 04:55:18 PM
Just a quick question, right now I have 2 gig RAM (2x Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 1024mb) but I want more. I'm looking at more (Corsair TWIN2X PC6400 DDR2 4GB KIT CL5
Kit w/2x 2GB XMS2-6400 dimm's, CL5-5-5-18, 800MHz) but I'm not sure my motherboard can handle it. I have an Asus P5N-D, nForce-750i SLI.
What speed is your memory bus running at right now? The RAM you have in there now is actually too slow for your motherboard (or more accurately not rated as fast as the max memory bus speed for your MB). You should be running PC6400 RAM in there (800 MHz memory bus speed). If you are running at 667 MHz (PC5300) you could try running your old RAM at 800 MHz to match the new kit you are looking at or you might have to run the new kit at the slower speed. I.e. you have to run both kits at the same speed.

Is ripping out my old RAM and just put in the new a viable option? That might be easier and 6 gig RAM is dirt cheap right now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 06, 2009, 09:00:16 PM
Just a quick question, right now I have 2 gig RAM (2x Corsair Value S. PC5300 DDR2 1024mb) but I want more. I'm looking at more (Corsair TWIN2X PC6400 DDR2 4GB KIT CL5
Kit w/2x 2GB XMS2-6400 dimm's, CL5-5-5-18, 800MHz) but I'm not sure my motherboard can handle it. I have an Asus P5N-D, nForce-750i SLI.
What speed is your memory bus running at right now? The RAM you have in there now is actually too slow for your motherboard (or more accurately not rated as fast as the max memory bus speed for your MB). You should be running PC6400 RAM in there (800 MHz memory bus speed). If you are running at 667 MHz (PC5300) you could try running your old RAM at 800 MHz to match the new kit you are looking at or you might have to run the new kit at the slower speed. I.e. you have to run both kits at the same speed.
Is ripping out my old RAM and just put in the new a viable option? That might be easier and 6 gig RAM is dirt cheap right now.
Certainly.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 07, 2009, 04:44:25 AM
Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 08, 2009, 10:53:30 AM
If you run Computer Management (or whatever the equivalent is on Vista if you are using that) and look at Disk Management, do you see the drive there? If so what state does it think the drive is in? E.g. does it see a partition or does it think there's no partition on it at all?

Just a note that I believe diskmgmt.msc still exists, I recall using it while setting up W7.  It actually worked for activating some disks, although I don't know why they were not active in the first place.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 09, 2009, 10:12:03 PM
I would love for someone to tell me how to keep my PS3 from kicking my pc and wife's laptop offline everytime I start it up...And if you can do it in the most simple, layman's terms possible I'd greatly appreciate it.  Using a linksys WRT54GS router.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on June 10, 2009, 02:27:40 AM
I would guess it's a DHCP issue. DHCP (as I understand it) is a protocol that allows things like routers etc to easily add other devices to your network and to manage the connections without conflicts.

You'll need your router manual. Find out how to access the router configuration - usually it's accessed by pointing your browser at an IP like http://10.0.0.x/ and entering an admin username & password, but check the router manual.

Then you want to find the "DHCP" part of the configuration page and enable DHCP server, save settings and exit. If that doesn't work then someone more knowledgeable than me will have to help you out  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 10, 2009, 11:55:59 AM
Or if you can, set the PS3 to a static address.  I don't have one, so I don't know how their network config works.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 10, 2009, 12:22:23 PM
On the PS3, it's in the Settings column.  Go down to Network Settings > Internet Connection Settings, choose Custom and somewhere in there find IP Address Setting and choose Manual.  Set it to something not used by another computer/device.  If you set it to the same IP as, say, your wife's laptop then you're in for a bad time.  Everyone gets their own IP address.

You can also choose Automatic (it's DHCP, meaning the router picks an IP for you) and this should work fine, but a static IP will open up other possibilities that can be saved for a later time.

Edit: I suppose I can say something about picking an IP address although I can't remember a lot about your previous post on this.  You will have a range of IP for your LAN, probably 192.168.x.x (you can specify this but let's focus!), so by way of example I chose 192.168.1.150 for my PC's IP address.  DHCP won't pick this one to assign out but it's probably a good idea to choose something that isn't the one your wife's laptop has already.  Otherwise we will have to have you do a ipconfig /release, ipconfig /renew or other onerous bullshit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 10, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
So far, everything is set to automatic on every machine.  I reset everything last night and put everything on default settings, with the wireless access set to WPA Personal requiring a key for access.  So far, the PS3 kicks a random machine off for about 5 seconds, until the router decides to give whatever machine was kicked off a new IP address.  Its like the PS3 says 'I want your IP address, so I'm going to tell the router to give it to me.  TAKE THAT!".  FWIW, the PS3 is hard wired to the router rather than going wireless.

I really didnt want to go through the process of assigning everyone a dedicated IP, but looks like I'm going to have to.  FUN!

Edit:  Thanks for the advice, all.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: grebo on June 10, 2009, 12:41:10 PM
Finally got an enclosure for my old busted 250gb drive. In the enclosure, my PC sees the drive, but can't mount it. I tried a few programs, but none of them see the volume itself.

I'm not really sure just how borked this thing is. Are there any good programs that will a) recognize something, whatever it is, attached; and, b) tell me the type of broken it is and whether it's fixable?

Spinrite (http://www.grc.com/default.htm) is pretty awesome.  It's resurrected a couple drives from the dead for me long enough to rescue some junk off of them.  Gibson may be a choad, but he writes good code.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: grebo on June 10, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
So far, everything is set to automatic on every machine.  I reset everything last night and put everything on default settings, with the wireless access set to WPA Personal requiring a key for access.  So far, the PS3 kicks a random machine off for about 5 seconds, until the router decides to give whatever machine was kicked off a new IP address.  Its like the PS3 says 'I want your IP address, so I'm going to tell the router to give it to me.  TAKE THAT!".  FWIW, the PS3 is hard wired to the router rather than going wireless.

I really didnt want to go through the process of assigning everyone a dedicated IP, but looks like I'm going to have to.  FUN!

Edit:  Thanks for the advice, all.

Is there a setting in the router for the range of DHCP addresses it will give out?  Are there separate ranges for wired and wireless?  Do they overlap?

Also, doesn't PS3 come with wireless LAN built in?  Maybe try that instead of the wire?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 10, 2009, 12:56:23 PM
I am kind of assuming you are correct when you say the PS3 is snagging a used IP address, however I expect this is a router problem since it should not happen.  You can be sure this is what happens if you note your laptop IP address, Do the Deed, then see what IP your PS3 gets.  The workaround, if so, is to assign a static IP.

You might want to look at installing some third-party firmware onto your router, like dd-wrt or similar.  Or not, since it can be a mild bother.  Stock LinkSys firmware is somewhat suspect, according to Some, but I find it gives me finer control over my router (WRT54GL).

Personally I like static IPs since I know who is doing what and can do port forwarding when things come to that.  Also, having a static IP on my PC means I can put a hosts file on my wife's machine and use a hostname for sharing purposes.  Or I can just remember the IP address. :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 11, 2009, 03:02:20 PM
You don't have to assign everyone a static IP.  Just give the PS3 one and see if it stops hijacking the network for those five to ten seconds.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on June 11, 2009, 04:22:24 PM
I tried it first with just my main rig on a static, and when I started up the PS3, it kicked my PC offline.  So, I just went ahead and assigned every machine a static IP.

Working fine so far.

Still kicking every machine offline.

Damnit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 11, 2009, 04:37:01 PM
Anyone familiar with Dreamweaver using SFTP on a Free BSD/Apache webserver?

Here's the wierdness. We have two apache webservers, one running an earlier version of Free BSD and another the latest version.

On my Windows PC, I can SFTP via Dreamweaver to the old one, but not the new one. Furthermore, I can use a regular SFTP client to connect to either, no problem.

Also, this doesn't seem to happen with the very latest Dreamweaver ( I have a slightly older version).

I suspect that the SFTP authentication protocols invoked by my copy of Dreamweaver work on an older version of either Free BSD or whatever SFTP daemon is running on the server, but not on the new one configured 'as is'.

Either that, or the port that Dreamwaver is talking to FreeBSD on the new machine is something that when replied to by the SFTP server, Windows Firewall balks at.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on June 12, 2009, 02:22:14 AM
I have pretty much resorted to deleting DW's WinFileCache.dat file as the 1st step in dealing with any DW related problem.  It can be foundin {your profile}\Application Data\Adobe\Dreamweaver CS4\en_US\Configuration

I have even made a shortcut to that dir on my desktop (FU very much adobe!)

Other than that hasn't the ftp (including sftp) protocol been pretty much unchanged for like the last 10 years or more?  As such your DW version shouldn't matter, don't hold me to that though because adobe does suck.  I love how they implemented SVN into CS4 and hard locked it to a version that was a year out of date before CS4 was even released, so maybe they are using some ftp code from 1991.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 12, 2009, 02:42:48 AM
Could be, and thanks for the input. I'll try it tomorrow.

Another thing that occurred to me is that the 'default' sftp authentication method in Free BSD has to be tweaked for the 'particular' authentication methodology THIS particular version of Dreamweaver requires.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on June 12, 2009, 06:01:59 AM
I tried it first with just my main rig on a static, and when I started up the PS3, it kicked my PC offline.  So, I just went ahead and assigned every machine a static IP.

Working fine so far.

Still kicking every machine offline.

Damnit.

OK, try disabling UPnP.

First of all try turning it off on the PS3: Network Settings -> Custom -> in there somewhere.

If that doesn't help try disabling it in the router.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 12, 2009, 10:36:10 AM
About the sftp, ftp and sftp are not the same thing.  Don't even look at ftp when working on a sftp problem.  Also there is a v1 and v2 of SSL which might be impactful here.  We have some old machines which we have to use the -1 flag to force the ssh client to use v1 or else it won't connect.

I'll also note that you can use ssh or scp to help diagnose sftp problems since they all use the same ssl stuff under the hood, although I'm not familiar with how this is done on Windows (I use WinSCP).  I'll often pass a -v or -vv or -vvv to ssh (on AIX) and see what happens with the authentication, but often that is very vague (security by obfuscation).  It would probably be a good idea to compare sshd on the two BSD servers, binary version as well as contents of the conf file (/etc/ssh/sshd.conf and/or ssh.conf ?).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 12, 2009, 11:55:56 AM
Windows sftp/ssh is all third party.  It doesn't come native with the system, at least as of XP.  So its implementation will vary.  Who knows what Dreamweaver used?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 12, 2009, 03:15:42 PM
About the sftp, ftp and sftp are not the same thing.  Don't even look at ftp when working on a sftp problem.  Also there is a v1 and v2 of SSL which might be impactful here.  We have some old machines which we have to use the -1 flag to force the ssh client to use v1 or else it won't connect.

I'll also note that you can use ssh or scp to help diagnose sftp problems since they all use the same ssl stuff under the hood, although I'm not familiar with how this is done on Windows (I use WinSCP).  I'll often pass a -v or -vv or -vvv to ssh (on AIX) and see what happens with the authentication, but often that is very vague (security by obfuscation).  It would probably be a good idea to compare sshd on the two BSD servers, binary version as well as contents of the conf file (/etc/ssh/sshd.conf and/or ssh.conf ?).

Thanks Yego, that's a great deal of potentially helpful info. I'm starting to suspect that either the version of dreamweaver I am using uses an ssl v1 and our new BSD uses v2 (which would explain why the latest C4 Dreamweaver authenticats just fine).

Do you know off the top of your head if its possible to set the ssh .conf file to accept either v1 or v2 connections?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 13, 2009, 05:07:59 AM
Put both your sshd_config files in one place (at least somewhere where they can both be accessed by Unix command line tools on a single machine) and type (or munge to the equivalent):

diff sshd_config.old sshd_config.new | grep PasswordAuthentication



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 13, 2009, 10:53:56 AM
Thanks Trippy! Will try that monday.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 13, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Finally got an enclosure for my old busted 250gb drive. In the enclosure, my PC sees the drive, but can't mount it. I tried a few programs, but none of them see the volume itself.

I'm not really sure just how borked this thing is. Are there any good programs that will a) recognize something, whatever it is, attached; and, b) tell me the type of broken it is and whether it's fixable?

Spinrite (http://www.grc.com/default.htm) is pretty awesome.  It's resurrected a couple drives from the dead for me long enough to rescue some junk off of them.  Gibson may be a choad, but he writes good code.

Thanks. I'll keep it in mind for the future. GetBackData didn't seem to cut it this time. What actually solved the problem was just plugging the drive to the mobo instead of running it through USB. According to some of the links I followed from here, seems like USB ports are less "forgiving" than the motherboard IDE cable.

So I've got the data off the second (Maxtor) drive that failed. Now I just need to pick up a second SATA cable to try that with my first failed drive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on June 15, 2009, 09:25:50 AM
Do you know off the top of your head if its possible to set the ssh .conf file to accept either v1 or v2 connections?

You can, it's the Protocol parameter in sshd_config (server).  Default is "1,2" so check to see if it is commented (leading #).  There is also a Protocol parameter in ssh_config (client); this should (?) be the same even on a Win client.

Webified man pages: sshd_config (http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?sshd_config+5) ssh_config (http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?ssh_config+5)

As for comparing files in general (for this occasion I would use Trippy's suggestion), if you have it, I like using Vim: vim -d sshd_config.old sshd_config.new


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on June 15, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
Quick Question:

Best value in monitors under $250 from Newegg?

I was looking at this, but may not be best bang for my buck? My current monitor is a shit CRT that might be on the fritz, so I'm not terribly particular on size.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001314


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 16, 2009, 02:03:38 AM
Question is what do you expect to do with the monitor most? Play video games, watch movies, or edit photography? Those are the three features that fluctuate from monitor to monitor, namely, response time, video clarity and color fidelity. Generally speaking, TN monitors do great for games, but have poorer viewing angles for across-the-room movie viewing and color fidelity. The next type is IPS or PVA, but they tend to cost a bit more and come at the cost of some response time.

To get good marks in all 3, you have to spend in the neighborhood of ~400 at the very least, and then that's with smaller monitors.

Samsung has a good reputation, as does Dell, especially in the 20-24 inch range.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 16, 2009, 02:15:00 AM
Quick Question:

Best value in monitors under $250 from Newegg?

I was looking at this, but may not be best bang for my buck? My current monitor is a shit CRT that might be on the fritz, so I'm not terribly particular on size.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001314
Well size does matter cause that'll determine the native resolution of the monitor which in turn will influence how good your 3D performance will be depending on your GPU(s) if you run at the native resolution. I.e. if you are running at, say, 1024 x 768 right now and go to a 1920 x 1200 monitor your video card may go "mommy!" and curl in a corner to die. Or not. It depends on what your hardware is at the moment.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on June 16, 2009, 01:15:27 PM
if you go with a Dell stick with the crystal/ultra sharp line.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 16, 2009, 06:27:48 PM
I've never understood why you would overclock RAM? Can someone inform me of the benefits and maybe hand me a link to a guide?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 16, 2009, 06:35:10 PM
It's usually more just a side-effect of overclocking your CPU. Speeding up the clockspeed of your RAM can help in a handful of situations but you have to weigh the tradeoff of possibly needing looser timings to run at that faster speed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on June 16, 2009, 11:53:04 PM
Running a GTX 260, but only in 1280x1024.

Looking to go widescreen in the 20" or so range. I mostly game, and even though I do watch a decent amount of video, I'm not a nazi about the quality really. I don't do photo work.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 17, 2009, 01:19:34 AM
I'd probably go for this Dell  (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-6523&~lt=popup&~ck=TopSellers) then.

Its a TN monitor, so not the bestest ever for video, but its also an Ultrasharp, which provides a better level of quality. Its got good response times for gaming. Your 260 will handle the resolution just fine as well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 17, 2009, 05:07:46 AM
Running a GTX 260, but only in 1280x1024.

Looking to go widescreen in the 20" or so range. I mostly game, and even though I do watch a decent amount of video, I'm not a nazi about the quality really. I don't do photo work.
You should go to a store that has a decent selection of LCDs, write down the model numbers, go home and figure out which ones are TN panels and which ones are (S-)PVA/MVA panels (most "consumer" stores don't carry IPS panels, though you might get lucky) and see if you can stand the crappy colors and horrid viewing angles of TN panels. You probably won't be able to play games on them, unfortunately, so you probably will have difficulty in seeing differences in response times and "ghosting". Another issue is you probably won't be able to judge "input lag", which can be a problem on PVA and MVA panels.

Another thing to consider is whether or not you want to hook up any console systems you have to the monitor, in which case you'll need something that has more inputs beyond the normal D-SUB/DVI connections on the cheaper monitors. More expensive ones will have HDMI and even things like S-Video and component video inputs.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on June 17, 2009, 05:25:56 PM
Get this! (http://www.popsci.com/gear-amp-gadgets/article/2009-06/worlds-smallest-vga-display-literally-size-thumbnail)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 19, 2009, 03:37:37 PM
A need a good free screen capture program that can either capture a full screen or an active window and which automatically creates the file. Tired of Printscreen>Paint>Paste>(crop)>Save. Fraps seems to only work when there's a fullscreen game running and Quick Screen Capture looks bloated.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on June 19, 2009, 04:03:51 PM
Alt-Print Screen will capture only the active window.  You still have to paste it into Paint to save it but should save you time on the cropping part.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 20, 2009, 04:33:23 PM
Time to extend my wi-fi range. I have a 802.11n (http://www.linksysbycisco.com/US/en/products/WRT160N) for most of the house, and an old 802.11g (http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54G-Wireless-G-Router/dp/B00007KDVI). I figured I'd use the latter to extend the range by placing it in the far other corner of the house.

Is there a link to a straightforward online guide on how to do this?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 20, 2009, 09:18:33 PM
Feh, nevermind the router. Now I got a NEW problem.

Started late last night after trying to buff up Oblivion with some mods. Computer acted fine for the whole day today until I tried to run Oblivion. Few minutes into the game (late last night and just now) the whole screen starts going screwy. Horizontal artifacting pattern. I was about to try Fallout 3 just to see if it's game-specific, but I can't even get the computer to operate stabley at the moment. I'm going to let it cool for an hour.

But here again in the saga of this computer, something I've never seen before. Images below are me taking pictures of the screen. The pictures suck, but they should at least clearly tell this story:

1. Computer is on. Background image not showing. If it wasn't blurry you'd see that there's a pattern of lines across the screen. Those lines are multi-color.
2. After about a minute. More lines across the screen. Everything is moving really slow. Cursor has a box of lines around.
3. I shut down through the START menu. Not clear here is that the shutdown screen is perfectly fine. No lines, no artifacts, nothing.

Could this mean now the video card burned out? Hoping not, but I feel like having just replaced the hdd, cpus, mobo, power supply and cooling system, it's the very last thing that hasn't gone (except the DVD-ROM drives, but I've got a million of those things kicking around anyway so don't care).



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 20, 2009, 09:26:16 PM
Probably video card. Could be main memory.

If you boot into Safe Mode do you see the same video problems?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 20, 2009, 10:34:51 PM
After an hour and a half, I restarted into safe mode. Same problem. Slightly worse actually, this time top/bottom vertical lines. Thinking video card. If you think so as well, any recommendations? I don't need uber atm, but would at least like something better than what I had (8800GTS 640mb) if I can get it for under $200.

What would be the signs of main memory (which was also replaced)?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on June 20, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
Looks like a bad video card to me. Have you got a spare to test with just in case? And for under $200 you can get a 4890.

memtest is good for checking main memory, as has been covered a few times here :)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 21, 2009, 08:11:54 AM
Depending on where you live you can get a 4870 or a 4890 for 200$. A 4870 will be fine for 1900x1200 on almost all games.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 21, 2009, 09:45:36 AM
Hmm, interesting, back to ATI then? Got used to nVidia over the last few years with this computer, but ended my upgrade cycle on the old one with a 9800 pro. I remember having some driver problems a few years ago, but is that still something ATI graphics cards experience at this point? Any particular manfucturer better than the rest? Last time I went ATI it was with Sapphire.

And anything on the nVidia side worth considering in the about-$200 range?

The monitor atm has no artifacting, but any hefty game I try to launch pretty much just crashes at this point.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on June 21, 2009, 10:17:24 AM
You can get perfectly respectable GTX 260-series cards for under $200. I have one from XFX, and it has easily defeated everything I have thrown at it so far.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 21, 2009, 11:16:56 AM
The GeForce 260 is the Nvidia equivalent and it's a pretty good card. It also supports PhysX so if you enjoy games that feature that you might want to consider it. Just make sure you get the 216 version. But I've heard that the 260 handels large resolutions (1900x1200) worse than the ATI cards in the same pricerange.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 21, 2009, 11:29:19 AM
The GeForce 260 is the Nvidia equivalent and it's a pretty good card. It also supports PhysX so if you enjoy games that feature that you might want to consider it. Just make sure you get the 216 version. But I've heard that the 260 handels large resolutions (1900x1200) worse than the ATI cards in the same pricerange.

Is the 216 version something mentioned on the box?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 21, 2009, 11:42:27 AM
Newegg has 260s listed as both regular and 216 variety. I definitely want something that can handle 1920x1200 down the road, but right now I'm gaming at 1680x1050 anyway.

What's the difference between non-216 and 216? The latter is slightly more pricey but i'd go slightly over $200 if it's worth it.

I haven't played anything where I've noticed PhysX doing anything spectacular. But that could just be the game. Do we thing Modern Warfare 2 or Red Faction Guerilla will utilize it? Those are the next actiony titles on my radar.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on June 21, 2009, 01:14:04 PM
The GTX 275 is the equivalent of the 4890, not the 260. Current(june2009)Comparison (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3588) And the 4890 beats it on price. As far as drivers go, the ATI 9.6 drivers in Win7x64 work fine, no issues, fan control and overclocking work right and stay where you set them.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 21, 2009, 02:22:31 PM
Newegg has 260s listed as both regular and 216 variety. I definitely want something that can handle 1920x1200 down the road, but right now I'm gaming at 1680x1050 anyway.

What's the difference between non-216 and 216? The latter is slightly more pricey but i'd go slightly over $200 if it's worth it.

I haven't played anything where I've noticed PhysX doing anything spectacular. But that could just be the game. Do we thing Modern Warfare 2 or Red Faction Guerilla will utilize it? Those are the next actiony titles on my radar.

The 216 have 24 more Stream processors which makes the card slightly faster and it will probably last you longer. I'd go for, (but I'm no expert) and it doesn't cost more than 200$ if you order from Newegg. There are plenty of variantions on the card and I'm not sure which one you should get. Look at the options and read about it here (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-radeon,2326.html). Oh, and the 260 is a pretty big card and draws plenty of power and generates heat so make sure your system can handle it.

The PhysX website mentions Dark Void, Mirror's Edge, Sacred 2, Cryostasis, Terminator and some other game. It's hard to know what future titles will feature the engine but it's certainly not something negative.

List of all games using PhysX. (http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_physxgames_home.html)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 21, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
Hunh, may have been the RAM after all. Memtest86+ came up with errors on the second chip. Now I just need to find where I stuck the other two sticks I had bought a few months ago. Then I'll be able to give it a real test.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 21, 2009, 08:22:30 PM
Bah. Shit, nevermind. Looks like it was a bad stick and the videocard. Back to rattran's anandtech link (thanks man).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 21, 2009, 08:49:23 PM
Bah. Shit, nevermind. Looks like it was a bad stick and the videocard. Back to rattran's anandtech link (thanks man).
Are you running off of an AVR UPS?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 21, 2009, 09:46:15 PM
Nah, no UPS at all actually. Last one I had melted battery acid onto my hardwood floor :-) Why?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on June 21, 2009, 10:15:32 PM
Nah, no UPS at all actually. Last one I had melted battery acid onto my hardwood floor :-) Why?
:ye_gods:
Umm, you should consider an avr ups. If your power is bad enough to crack a battery, think of what it's doing to your computer.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 21, 2009, 11:41:48 PM
Nah, no UPS at all actually. Last one I had melted battery acid onto my hardwood floor :-) Why?
One reason why you might be having multiple hardware issues is that the power going to your components is "flaky". I.e. it's possible either your power supply is flaky or the power going into your power supply is flaky. If it's the power coming from the wall that's wonky a UPS that has a good Automatic Voltage Regulator/ion (AVR) will help mitigate that by adjusting the voltage coming out of its battery-enabled sockets so that the voltage is always within the normal range even if what's coming out of the wall socket isn't.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 06:55:23 AM
Hmm. The UPS I once had was in my old house, on which I never had any problems otherwise so assumed the battery just sucked. My current house I don't know well enough yet to know but my computer was running fine for about 11 months before all this started happening. And tbh I'm not quite sure if the powersupply ever did actually crap out. I replaced that first when things started happening, but that didn't fix any problems (unto itself anyway, I've never tested the currrent components with the original power).

But thanks to this suggestion, I'm going to test the voltage after work.

Edit:

Just occurred to me this started happening around the time the window air conditioner went in the same room. I'm going to pretend that timing is not the case though because otherwise that'll mean I could have saved a lot of money if I just checked to see if these outlets were on the same friggin circuit.

Edit 2:

I've been looking at UPSs and am a bit on the confused side. I need the AVR much more than I need the battery power. I never lose power while in the middle of something (storm coming means I shut down), but can imagine fluctuations. So is there a good model/company I should be focusing on? Spec:

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 (2.83 GHz/12M Cache/1333 MHz FSB)
Motherboard:  Asus P5N-T Deluxe, 780i 3-way SLI (Socket 775)
CPU and Case Fan
Memory: Corsair XMS2 Xtreme 2x1024mb RAM
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce 8800GTS 640MB
Sound: Creative Lab Sound Blaster X-Fi
500gb SATA-II 7200rpm


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 09:16:42 AM
(Decided editing the eighth time was overkill :wink:)

From what I could find, it seems these are the idle/load wattages for the three main power drawers:

  • Graphics: 64W idle, 144W load
  • CPU: 23W Idle, 60W load
  • Motherboard: 69W
  • Hard drive: 10W-15W (though this is pretty constant)
  • DVD-ROM: 5W Idle, 18W load
  • DVD-Writer: 5W Idle, 18W load

So it seems like I'd need a UPS that at least could handle 300W. But how much does the rated wattage of a UPS contribute to its ability to be an effective AVR? I've seen devices that just regulate voltage, and the comments imply they do that better than the hybrid UPS/AVR ones, so I'm currently leaning that way.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 22, 2009, 09:45:19 AM
So it seems like I'd need a UPS that at least could handle 300W. But how much does the rated wattage of a UPS contribute to its ability to be an effective AVR?
It doesn't unless you regularly have bad browouts for extended periods of time. Up to a certain point AVR circuity can boost low-voltages back up to regular voltage levels without needing to use the battery for power.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 09:53:06 AM
Ah ok. I never have brownouts. Only one blackout in this house and that was due to the sort of storm you wouldn't want to be on the computer through anyway :-)

Looking at APC LE1200 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812106005) at the moment. The price is right and the reviews seem good. I'm going to see if I can find it at retail though. I imagine shipping is going to be expensive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 22, 2009, 10:16:51 AM
Is there a reason why you don't want an UPS as well?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 10:36:52 AM
Price. I can do it right now if it's between $50-80 since UPS still to me is "nice to have", but anything over means I'm not gaming for another month or so. Is there a good AVR/UPS in that range? I keep seeing either AVRs or UPSes in that range, but to get both in one well-reviewed unit brings it over $100.

And at the moment, if I get this I pray it solves the problem and that it's not my vidcard (too).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on June 22, 2009, 10:44:16 AM
Well at this point your hardware may already be toast. An AVR/UPS is more to prevent future problems.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 10:49:27 AM
Heh, well, at least the mobo, CPU and power supply are all new enough to be under warranty if they're busted :-) Do all UPSes include an AVR function?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on June 22, 2009, 01:37:11 PM
Many of them do, but it will be listed in the specs. If you just put a window air conditioner in the same room/circuit, you will be having brownouts whenever it kicks on. Huge draw for a moment is why avr is nice, it'll compensate and keep your power clean.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 02:08:25 PM
Ah ok thanks Rattran. If the card at this point is hosed, I'm thinking of the XFX Radeon HD 4870 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150394&Tpk=XFX%20HD-487A-ZHFC%20Radeon%20HD%204870%201GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5). The price is right if I need an AVR/UPS and awesome if I don't need one at all. Figure if I get it and the problem is still happening, return it and keep researching. I don't have another PCI-E card I can test, since every one of my RL friends bailed to consoles long ago :-)

Edit: wow, jeezus, didn't mean to ask that retarded question. Nevermind on the card, I am looking again for the right one.

This'd all be a lot easier if I hadn't just dropped $1,400 fixing our family car... :wink:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on June 22, 2009, 03:53:05 PM
You can use a cross-fire capable card in an sli-capable motherboard.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 04:10:05 PM
Oh, wait, really? I thought that only could work if you hacked drivers? Or do you only need to try and hack it if you're going for an incompatible bridge? I like the 4870 a lot, but the GTX 260 (216) isn't a slouch either and seems to be in a comparable range.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 22, 2009, 04:41:20 PM
Both of the cards are very good. I'll point you towards some stuff (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-radeon,2326-19.html) to read (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3588) so you can make the decision for yourself.

Oh, and the Nvidia drivers are usually better or so I've heard.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 22, 2009, 05:13:55 PM
Thanks Dion. It was actually those articiles that lead me to the 4870. Great stuff and I appreciate you posting.

I just didn't realize that an Crossfire-capable card can work on an SLI board if I'm only using one card. Now I think I'll be re-ordering the 4870 I just asked Newegg to cancel  :awesome_for_real:

The price, features and values all lined up perfectly. And I'd have enough left over for that AVR if I can't get on a different circle.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Dion on June 23, 2009, 05:48:31 AM
Great choice, you are making me jealous  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 24, 2009, 08:52:04 PM
Ok, so I ended up going with the PNY GTX 260 (core 216) instead. Got a slightly better deal and had enough left for the AVR. Only problem now is I'm still running with only 1gb of RAM while I try to track down the two I misplaced (or give up and order more). Talk about a bottleneck!

Thanks again for all the help all.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on June 25, 2009, 10:41:54 AM
Should just run a dedicated circuit for your computer! I'm a cable pulling mofo sumbitch!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on June 25, 2009, 09:15:27 PM
Basically what I did without rewiring. Nothing else on this circuit. Getting the AVR anyway because I could :-)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: ShenMolo on July 02, 2009, 03:41:49 PM
Total noob question but anyways:

On Internet Explorer (8 maybe), I pressed a key recently which expanded the browser window so that the toolbar on top is covered and only pops up if I hover the mouse over it. I thought it must have been a function key I pressed but I pressed them all again and it hasn't fixed it.

How do I restore my browser so that it looks normal? Tried a lot of things short of re-installing the browser. Normally I use Firefox but will occasionally use IE so getting it back to "normal" would be helpful.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 02, 2009, 04:28:31 PM
Try f11 again.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: ShenMolo on July 02, 2009, 04:47:05 PM
Try f11 again.

Perfect!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 03, 2009, 08:09:48 PM
Vague question of the day:  Why is my computer starting to progressively run worse?

I have: Updated drivers, defrag'd the HD, cleared cookies, cleared temp files, ensured the registry is without errors, have made sure it is completely viri/malware/spyware free (in as much as microtrends online virus scanner, avg free, windows defender, spy-bot, ad-aware will allow).  All stress tests do not indicate any problems other than progressively lower scores in benchmarks.  Memtest and prime95 do not yield any errors with RAM (have run stress tests for 12-14 hours at a pop).  I have updated my bios.  I have reverted to different bios versions.  I've tried older driver versions. 

Startup takes about 2 minutes from a power down state to desktop.  It takes 15 seconds for IE7 to come up, during which time the computer freezes up.

Vista prem 64
500GB 7200 HD SATAII (WD, I think)
8800GTS G92 in SLI (temps never higher than abt 60c during gaming/stress tests)
Q6600 oc'd at 3.2Ghz (temps never higher than 52c during gaming/stress tests)
8GB RAM
Asus 750i SLI mobo (P5N-D, I think)

Short of doing a fresh Vista install or upgrading to W7, what are my options?  If I didn't have 100GB plus of games to redownload, I'd do it in a heartbeat.  I don't know how to back up games on an external HD, then move to a new OS install - if that's even possible.  I've got a 1TB external HD collecting dust that I'd love to use, but backing up/then reinstalling games

I'm getting so fed up with it, I'm tempted to go to finallyfast.com or whatever the hell it is.  And I'm only halfway kidding.

Thanks for the help.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on July 04, 2009, 02:47:10 AM
sounds like malware to me.  you might try disabling some msconfig/startup items or just killing all the unknowns in your task manager to try and narrow it down.  Alternatively if you can remember a date when it was running much better do a system restore to that time.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 04, 2009, 04:16:31 AM
Post a HijackThis log.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 04, 2009, 08:55:40 AM
Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 7:51:39 AM, on 7/4/2009
Platform: Windows Vista SP2 (WinNT 6.00.1906)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.6002.18005)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\Program Files (x86)\AVG\AVG8\avgtray.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\AAWTray.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\DeathAdder\razerhid.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmplayer.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\DeathAdder\razertra.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\DeathAdder\razerofa.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Trend Micro\HijackThis\HijackThis.exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant =
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch =
R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyServer = :0
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName =
R3 - URLSearchHook: (no name) - *{CFBFAE00-17A6-11D0-99CB-00C04FD64497} - (no file)
R3 - URLSearchHook: AVG Security Toolbar BHO - {A3BC75A2-1F87-4686-AA43-5347D756017C} - C:\Program Files (x86)\AVG\AVG8\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
F2 - REG:system.ini: UserInit=userinit.exe
O1 - Hosts: ::1 localhost
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - {18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll
O2 - BHO: WormRadar.com IESiteBlocker.NavFilter - {3CA2F312-6F6E-4B53-A66E-4E65E497C8C0} - C:\Program Files (x86)\AVG\AVG8\avgssie.dll
O2 - BHO: Spybot-S&D IE Protection - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~2\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {5C255C8A-E604-49b4-9D64-90988571CECB} - (no file)
O2 - BHO: Windows Live Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll
O2 - BHO: AVG Security Toolbar BHO - {A3BC75A2-1F87-4686-AA43-5347D756017C} - C:\Program Files (x86)\AVG\AVG8\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: AVG Security Toolbar - {CCC7A320-B3CA-4199-B1A6-9F516DD69829} - C:\Program Files (x86)\AVG\AVG8\Toolbar\IEToolbar.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [AVG8_TRAY] C:\PROGRA~2\AVG\AVG8\avgtray.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Ad-Watch] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\AAWTray.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe Reader Speed Launcher] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 9.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files (x86)\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DeathAdder] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Razer\DeathAdder\razerhid.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [NVIDIA nTune] "C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\nTune\nTuneCmd.exe" clear
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /detectMem (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [WindowsWelcomeCenter] rundll32.exe oobefldr.dll,ShowWelcomeCenter (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /detectMem (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~2\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\PROGRA~2\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Spybot - Search & Destroy Configuration - {DFB852A3-47F8-48C4-A200-58CAB36FD2A2} - C:\PROGRA~2\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\nvlsp.dll
O13 - Gopher Prefix:
O16 - DPF: {02BF25D5-8C17-4B23-BC80-D3488ABDDC6B} (QuickTime Object) - http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/QuickTime/qtactivex/qtplugin.cab
O16 - DPF: {1663ed61-23eb-11d2-b92f-008048fdd814} (MeadCo ScriptX Basic) - http://armada.da-desk.com/scriptx/ScriptX.cab
O16 - DPF: {1E54D648-B804-468d-BC78-4AFFED8E262E} (System Requirements Lab) - http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload/srl/3.0.0.0/srl_bin/sysreqlab3.cab
O16 - DPF: {1E54D648-B804-468d-BC78-4AFFED8E262F} (System Requirements Lab) - http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload/srl/3.0.0.4/srl_bin/sysreqlab_nvd.cab
O16 - DPF: {4871A87A-BFDD-4106-8153-FFDE2BAC2967} (DLM Control) - http://dlm.tools.akamai.com/dlmanager/versions/activex/dlm-activex-2.2.4.8.cab
O16 - DPF: {73ECB3AA-4717-450C-A2AB-D00DAD9EE203} (GMNRev Class) - http://h20270.www2.hp.com/ediags/gmn2/install/HPProductDetection.cab
O16 - DPF: {74DBCB52-F298-4110-951D-AD2FF67BC8AB} (NVIDIA Smart Scan) - http://www.nvidia.com/content/DriverDownload/nforce/NvidiaSmartScan.cab
O16 - DPF: {9A57B18E-2F5D-11D5-8997-00104BD12D94} (compid Class) - http://support.gateway.com/support/serialharvest/gwCID.CAB
O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://fpdownload2.macromedia.com/get/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{02810641-70B5-411F-B3B0-7B70A36C2F68}: NameServer = 68.87.68.162,68.87.74.162
O17 - HKLM\System\CS1\Services\Tcpip\..\{02810641-70B5-411F-B3B0-7B70A36C2F68}: NameServer = 68.87.68.162,68.87.74.162
O17 - HKLM\System\CS2\Services\Tcpip\..\{02810641-70B5-411F-B3B0-7B70A36C2F68}: NameServer = 68.87.68.162,68.87.74.162
O18 - Protocol: linkscanner - {F274614C-63F8-47D5-A4D1-FBDDE494F8D1} - C:\Program Files (x86)\AVG\AVG8\avgpp.dll
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Alg.exe,-112 (ALG) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\alg.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: ASP.NET State Service (aspnet_state) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\aspnet_state.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: AVG Free8 WatchDog (avg8wd) - AVG Technologies CZ, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~2\AVG\AVG8\avgwdsvc.exe
O23 - Service: @dfsrres.dll,-101 (DFSR) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\DFSR.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: ForceWare Intelligent Application Manager (IAM) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\bin32\nSvcAppFlt.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\11\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: @keyiso.dll,-100 (KeyIso) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Lavasoft Ad-Aware Service - Lavasoft - C:\Program Files (x86)\Lavasoft\Ad-Aware\AAWService.exe
O23 - Service: @comres.dll,-2797 (MSDTC) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\msdtc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\System32\netlogon.dll,-102 (Netlogon) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: ForceWare IP service (nSvcIp) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\NVIDIA Corporation\NetworkAccessManager\bin32\nSvcIp.exe
O23 - Service: nTune Service (nTuneService) - NVIDIA - C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\nTune\nTuneService.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (nvsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: PnkBstrA - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\PnkBstrA.exe
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\psbase.dll,-300 (ProtectedStorage) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\Locator.exe,-2 (RpcLocator) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\locator.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\samsrv.dll,-1 (SamSs) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: SBSD Security Center Service (SBSDWSCService) - Safer Networking Ltd. - C:\Program Files (x86)\Spybot - Search & Destroy\SDWinSec.exe
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O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\spoolsv.exe,-1 (Spooler) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\spoolsv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Steam Client Service - Valve Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Steam\SteamService.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\ui0detect.exe,-101 (UI0Detect) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\UI0Detect.exe (file missing)
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Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 04, 2009, 09:14:40 AM
The BHO entires are your IE plugins, and you have a bunch of them that could be slowing it down while it launches. Try disabling some of them and see which ones are causing your comp to freeze up during the launch process.

Running multiple anti-virus/anti-spyware programs is also a good way to slow things down in general as each time something has to be checked it has to be checked multiple times.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 04, 2009, 09:59:26 AM
Thanks, man.

So nothing else looks out of the ordinary?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 04, 2009, 10:15:34 AM
You do have a bunch of stuff being loaded on startup which is presumably slowing down your boot process. As I mentioned above you have a bunch of anti-spyware/anti-virus stuff running so if you want to speed up your boot process you should probably start by disabling some of those to see which might be taking a while to load.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 04, 2009, 11:22:25 AM
Thing is, none of it is 'new'.  Its all stuff I loaded on (or was loaded on) within the first week of my last install.  But it was never a problem until the last week or so.

Oh well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 04, 2009, 11:57:52 AM
SnakeCharmer,

I noticed that you're using Razer software for either keyboard or mouse. I would look at that for a moment, simply because just last night, my Razer Lycosa keyboard started to act up. Essentially, it was sending a 'launch windows media player' signal continuously. It also disabled my 'w' key. I uninstalled the software, and its now running just fine, albeit without the preset functionalities, which I wasn't using in any case.

Its just a hunch, but the software seems pretty crappy.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 04, 2009, 01:23:02 PM
Razer mouse and Logitech G15 keyboard. 

But your right, the Razer software absolutely blows ass.  If you install the mouse in one USB port, then move it to another, it won't work and/or it will trip fatal errors on start up.  Only reason I haven't replaced them with something else is that they were too damned expensive just to toss aside.  The only reason I use the G15 is for the illuminated keyboard, and it was one of the few choices I had at the time that offered that.  About the only thing the LCD screen is good for is keeping up with people in ventrillo or teamspeak.  I think I've used the programmable G keys once?  Yeah.  Waste of a 100 bucks.

Anyway, I've heard/read that if you try and upgrade your Razer firmware, you stand a better than average chance of bricking the damn thing  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on July 04, 2009, 01:24:14 PM
I've never installed anything for a Razer mouse. Makes me wonder if you still have software on your computer that it came with.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 05, 2009, 10:27:41 PM
HAELP!  :ye_gods:

A few weeks ago, my computer started to behave stranger than usual. All of a sudden, he would just do something that looks like a hardware reset to me.

No error message, everything runs just fine, suddenly my screen goes black, the pc shuts down completely (in less than a second, as if somebody had pulled the plug/switched of power) and fires back up after a few seconds.

Eventviewer shows the same error everytime this happens. (in german, I try to translate)

"Loading of the following Boot- or Systemstartdriver failed.

To recieve further information click http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp"

Data () Bytes() Words
[Empty, grayed out box]

It might be something heat related because it happens less and less often, the LONGER the PC is running non-stop.

It does not seem to matter if I am browsing the internet, use open office or play prototype.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 05, 2009, 10:47:11 PM
Thing is, none of it is 'new'.  Its all stuff I loaded on (or was loaded on) within the first week of my last install.  But it was never a problem until the last week or so.

Oh well.
Some of the anti-spyware/anti-virus stuff may be taking more time at startup if they are scanning things on startup. E.g. if they are scanning some folders at startup, and those folders are slowly filling up as time goes by, then it'll take them longer to finish their startup procedure.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 05, 2009, 10:51:58 PM
HAELP!  :ye_gods:

A few weeks ago, my computer started to behave stranger than usual. All of a sudden, he would just do something that looks like a hardware reset to me.

No error message, everything runs just fine, suddenly my screen goes black, the pc shuts down completely (in less than a second, as if somebody had pulled the plug/switched of power) and fires back up after a few seconds.

Eventviewer shows the same error everytime this happens. (in german, I try to translate)

"Loading of the following Boot- or Systemstartdriver failed.

To recieve further information click http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp"

Data () Bytes() Words
[Empty, grayed out box]

It might be something heat related because it happens less and less often, the LONGER the PC is running non-stop.

It does not seem to matter if I am browsing the internet, use open office or play prototype.
What are your system specs?

Is the computer restarting on its own like you had pressed the hardware reset button? Or is it turning off and you are manually powering it back on?

Are you using an UPS?

Post the error message in the original German (more accurate to Google on that).

The normal thermal shutdown procedure will give you message on startup and put an entry in the log file so it doesn't sound like that is happening though you should get a temperature monitoring program just to see what's going on inside the case.

My guess right now is you have bad RAM.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 06, 2009, 12:07:25 AM
My guess right now is you have bad RAM.
Hm, could a loose RAM bank be the cause of this ? I think I remember I had a little bit of trouble installing the last one, 3 banks of 1Gb Ram atm. It is as if I had hit the "manual reset" button.



Temperature GPU is around 55C, CPU 1 + 2 are at 50C


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 06, 2009, 12:33:49 AM
My guess right now is you have bad RAM.
Hm, could a loose RAM bank be the cause of this ? I think I remember I had a little bit of trouble installing the last one, 3 banks of 1Gb Ram atm. It is as if I had hit the "manual reset" button.
Sure this sort of "random" crash, if it isn't temperature related, is definitely a symptom of bad RAM or faulty RAM slots/motherboard.

Check your "System Failure" settings (under XP it's right-click My Computer -> Properties -> Advanced -> Startup Recovery Settings) and uncheck the "automatically" restart option. That should hopefully give you a BSoD instead of rebooting your machine and you might get a more informative display about where the error occurred.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 06, 2009, 01:46:56 AM
Check your "System Failure" settings (under XP it's right-click My Computer -> Properties -> Advanced -> Startup Recovery Settings) and uncheck the "automatically" restart option. That should hopefully give you a BSoD instead of rebooting your machine and you might get a more informative display about where the error occurred.
Did that already, did not change a thing, I doubt the reboot is windows related, I am still suprised though that I don't get an error message because windows was shut down unexpectedly when I reboot.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 06, 2009, 02:20:37 AM
Check your "System Failure" settings (under XP it's right-click My Computer -> Properties -> Advanced -> Startup Recovery Settings) and uncheck the "automatically" restart option. That should hopefully give you a BSoD instead of rebooting your machine and you might get a more informative display about where the error occurred.
Did that already, did not change a thing, I doubt the reboot is windows related, I am still suprised though that I don't get an error message because windows was shut down unexpectedly when I reboot.
I would say there's a good chance your motherboard is screwed up somehow, then.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 06, 2009, 10:19:06 AM
Wouldn't hurt to download and burn a CD of Ultimate Boot CD (http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/) and then running Memtest86 or Windows Memory Test. Then you may also want to run some of their disk health tools, just in case what you have is a intermittently failing hard drive.

It could also be a failing power supply. Its a bit hard to tell.

Just to eliminate Windows from the equation, it may be worth grabbing an old hard drive, if you have it, and installing Ubuntu on it, and playing in that environment for a while, just browsing the web, playing Mahjong or whatever, to see if the crash occurs then. If it does, then you either have something wonky with Windows (unlikely, but you never know) or your HD is failing in an unusual, but not entirely impossible way.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 06, 2009, 11:46:58 AM
Power supply, RAM, or motherboard.  I lean towards power supply based on what you've told us, but they can all have similar symptoms.  Given there's no blue screen after turning on the option, I don't think it's Windows or software related.

Do you have a UPS?  How have outside temperatures been compared to normal?  If the power grid is under load you might be getting brown outs and they're just enough to starve your computer so it shuts down.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rasix on July 06, 2009, 11:53:37 AM
Odd question, but anyone got a suggestion for how to fix a button on a PS3 controller that seems to be sticking?  The "X" button seems to be randomly getting stuck when I press it down.  Makes action games a bit difficult to play. These controllers aren't cheap either.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on July 06, 2009, 05:06:20 PM
I had one (circle) that was sticking, cleaned around it with some 91% alcohol, blew it out with compressed air. Been working fine so far, but my ps3 gets very light use.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on July 06, 2009, 05:07:34 PM
Odd question, but anyone got a suggestion for how to fix a button on a PS3 controller that seems to be sticking?  The "X" button seems to be randomly getting stuck when I press it down.  Makes action games a bit difficult to play. These controllers aren't cheap either.
Less of one of the following:

1. Pizza
2. Cheetohs
3. Maple Syrup


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 06, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
I ran Memtestfor a few hours without any errors, will leave it running longer when I do not need the Computer.

My power supply just barely meets the requirements of my installed devices. I plan on upgrading it anyway.

fakeedit: Just to clarify. I build this thing myself with an cpu/mb upgradekit and spare parts. It was (and still is) my first time.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on July 06, 2009, 10:43:39 PM
Meets the reqs in Amperage, or Wattage?

PSUs are a funny thing.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 07, 2009, 05:11:09 AM
Meets the reqs in Amperage, or Wattage?

PSUs are a funny thing.

Wattage, amperage is fine. I think.  :uhrr:

Wattage is a real word ? Funny.  :awesome_for_real:

edit: found something new

I just downloaded PC Alert4.

Upon starting it gave me a warning that something that should be running on ~5 Volt is running on 3,26V.

How likely is it that I connected something wrong ? And is there any way of indentifying which one ?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on July 07, 2009, 09:06:04 AM
Anyone know if there's a way to get the Windows 7 hotkeys into Windows XP? Unfortunately my work laptop is only allowed to have XP on it. I'm really just looking for the ability to quickly put 2 windows side by side. Windows key left and right would normally do that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on July 07, 2009, 09:07:12 AM
Windows key left and right would normally do that.

What's a Windows Key?

AND WHY ARE THERE 2 OF THEM?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on July 07, 2009, 09:42:46 AM
You're a jerk. Windows key + left or right. Happy now?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on July 07, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
You're a jerk. Windows key + left or right. Happy now?

WHAT'S A WINDOWS KEY OH GOD IS IT SOMETHING NEW

?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on July 07, 2009, 09:59:31 AM
Have I told you lately you're a douche?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 07, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
Upon starting it gave me a warning that something that should be running on ~5 Volt is running on 3,26V.

How likely is it that I connected something wrong ?
Zero, unless you somehow converted a serial ATA power connector into a molex connector. The only connectors that provided +3.3V power are the motherboard connector and the serial ATA ones. Everything else is +5V and/or +12V.

Quote
And is there any way of indentifying which one ?
A lot of connectors are supposed to provide +5V power (motherboard connector, molex connectors, serial ATA connectors) so if that program is correct (never used it before) and a cable is wired wrong or the power supply isn't supplying the proper voltage it might take some time to track down the problem.

Here's an example of how the connectors in an ATX power supply are wired:

http://www.pcpower.com/downloads/turbo_cool_specs1200-ESA_new_3854.pdf


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 07, 2009, 01:30:41 PM
Some BIOS have a feature where your voltage on your various rails is measured. You may want to have a peek in BIOS to see if it has that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on July 07, 2009, 01:58:34 PM
Can you tell us what PSU you have currently Helm?  It really sounds like you have a less then great one which is a big mistake people make when they build a rig.  Always spend top dollar and go namebrand on the PSU.  Always.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 07, 2009, 04:30:35 PM
Can you tell us what PSU you have currently Helm?  It really sounds like you have a less then great one which is a big mistake people make when they build a rig.  Always spend top dollar and go namebrand on the PSU.  Always.
Not without ripping it out of the case, I think.

In other news, I had a look at my motherboard, took the ram out, put it back in, enabled something in the BIOS.

Now 4Gb of Ram are detected, Windows now detects 3 Gb (which is normal for some boards, I heard) and I am waiting for the first crash.

Another semi-related issue is if I should switch to Vista Home 64bit.I could buy it at a nice discount. Looks like there are 64bit drivers avaible for all my stuff.

Btw, my specs are

Motherboard Name   ASRock 4Core1600Twins-P35
CPU                          DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo E7200, 2533 MHz (9.5 x 267)
RAM                          4 X    DDR2-800 (400 MHz)

semi-edit: Thanks for the help, guys  :heart:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 07, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
Just get W7 for free for the next year.  Trumps even a heavily discounted V64.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on July 07, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
Ok got a slightly annoying problem here. I did a reinstall of XP on a new HDD since I think the old one may have been moving towards death. I've now got startup issues, primarily I'll get the Bios flash screen and instead of going to bootup information it'll restart (or not). It seems pretty random about whether it does it or not. I think the longest series so far was about 10 minutes of flash screen on for 10-20 seconds followed by reboot. On top of that I've got a problem that isn't new but seems a bit more frequent that XP will freeze on the loading screen while it's fading in (so I've got a dark rendition of the XP loading screen frozen). These two combined meant last time I was booting up it took half an hour (which is the worst it's been, normally it's up and running in at least 15 minutes). Nothing seems to be running slowly and I'm not sure how to check for error messages (especially on the Bios bit) it just either restarts or freezes.

Also I don't think it's related but since I've done this fresh install NTLDR gets reported as missing at boot. Tried fixing it with fixboot and chkdsk (which comes back clean) and tried copying the NTLDR files but nothing seemed to work. It does boot up fine as long as I've got an XP disk in the drive so haven't really looked into that one much more.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 08, 2009, 10:24:36 AM
The hanging at BIOS suggests that the motherboard is struggling with hardware.

You should be able to disable the BIOS flash screen from within BIOS. Poke about in there and you should find it.

Try booting without the new HD. Try booting with only one memory stick, then the other. If any of those relieve the hang, do it again, at least 2 more times, to be sure you've nailed the offending hardware.

NTLDR reported as missing suggests somethings' amiss with the new hard drive, but it may also be something wrong with RAM. The inability for a system to load stuff into RAM can sometimes manifest itself as 'missing' or 'corrupt' files, when in fact the files are just fine on the hard drive, its their transport to bad RAM that  makes them look missing or corrupt. The system just doesn't know how to tell you that.

Lastly, burn a copy of Ultimate Boot CD and do mem tests and HD tests if any of the above is inconclusive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 08, 2009, 12:08:18 PM
Did you install on a new hard drive but leave the old one in?  It's using the old one for the boot record if you didn't physically redorder the bad drives or pull the suspect one.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 09, 2009, 01:10:40 AM
Oh, btw, thanks to the folks who helped me a while back with Dreamweaver SFTP and ssh config on FreeBSD. Your direction was correct; PAM doesn't work with Dreamweaver 8, and you need to manually tell sshd to do password authentication.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on July 09, 2009, 05:06:06 PM
Question: Co-worker just got a Dell Precision M4400 laptop. Thing has 4gb of RAM in it but is running WinXP SP3 32-bit. The machine only registers 3.45gb, but that it recognized even that much surprised me. I thought the 32bit OSes wouldn't go over 2gb? At least, that's what I thought from a few months back when I tried to put 4gb on my then-mobo with WinXP (was Asus A7N266C now Asus (P5N-T Deluxe).

So, running WinXP 32bit, could I now be running almost 3.5gb?

But your right, the Razer software absolutely blows ass. 

I agree. So I don't use them. I have the Razer keyboard and mouse. I like them both for performance and really don't care at all what the software has. The computer just sees them as a keyboard and mouse, never asked me to install special drivers, and so after wiping the drive, I never bother. They work just as a keyboard and mouse.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 09, 2009, 06:06:19 PM
The 2 gig limitation is about WinXP SP1 and below and initial installation before patching, which often freaked out if you had more than 2 gig.

After patching to SP2,  you can put in more ram, up to 4 gigs in 32 bit OS.

4 gigl total for 32. 512 or so is reserved for windows OS and devices, plus video card memory is subtracted from the total, hence you only see 3.45. From somewhere else, in nerdish: (http://www.tech-forums.net/pc/f9/difference-between-32-bit-x86-64-bit-x64-171390/#post1349279)
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Registers in x86 PCs are limited to 32 bits, which means the biggest number that can be stored in that register is 2^32, or 4,294,967,296; which means that the CPU can access up to "ADDRESS 4,294,967,296" which is the 4th GB of data.

The problem is that the CPU also access I/O devices (printer, USB, keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc.) by assigning them an address as well. So it reserves half a GB or so of the memory addresses to talk to the I/O devices... So you have 4GB - ~0.5GB -> 3.5 GB (on Windows it is 3.2GB).



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on July 09, 2009, 09:00:05 PM
Ah! Ok so if I ever wipe the drive again, I need to remove the extra sticks, reinstall XP, let it patch to SP3, then reinstall the third and fourth gig. I'll remember that. Thanks Engels.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 05:35:43 AM
*sighs*

Thought I had solved my problem but apparenty the loose ram-sticks were not the problem...  :uhrr:

Right now my theory is, that something is wron with my power supply. After a little bit of research, I found out that I have a really shitty PSU.

Here is what I know:

Type: LC-B400-Atx

Output: 400 W +12v= 20A (this seems to be important, but I don't know enough to understand why.

Here is what I am running atm.

CPU Typ   DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo E7200, 2533 MHz (9.5 x 267)
Motherboard Name   ASRock 4Core1600Twins-P35  (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, 2 DDR3 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN)
DIMM1: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM3: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM4: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT  (512 MB)
Realtek ALC888/1200 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller [A-2]

Hd1: ExcelStor Technology J8160  (153 GB, IDE)
Hd2: SAMSUNG SP1203N  (120 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)

AVM FRITZ!WLAN USB Stick  (192.168.178.20)
Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer (USB)

Right now I am planning to upgrade to  a stonger PSU, something like 500w output, +12v=40A and 80+ certified if memory serves me right.
And a new Sata HD, so I can run my IDE DVD-Drives again. :-)

Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 09:50:00 AM
Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
Yes.

What are your RAM timings set at in your BIOS?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 09:55:06 AM
Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
Yes.

What are your RAM timings set at in your BIOS?

CPU-Z read this...

Northbridge   Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge   Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
Graphic Interface   PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width   x16
PCI-E Max Link Width   x16
Memory Type   DDR2
Memory Size   4096 MBytes
Memory Frequency   333.4 MHz (4:5)
CAS# Latency (tCL)   5.0 clocks
RAS# to CAS# (tRCD)   5 clocks
RAS# Precharge (tRP)   5 clocks
Cycle Time (tRAS)   15 clocks
Command Rate (CR)   2T


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:08:08 AM
What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z). Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z).
Hm. Will have a look, but where did you get the 667 Mhz from ?

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Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
I was under the impression that both ram pairs were of the same speed. They are not ?

edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe





Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:32:32 AM
What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z).
Hm. Will have a look, but where did you get the 667 Mhz from ?
For DDR RAM the memory bus speed is half the data rate. So if CPU-Z is reporting 333 MHz and assuming that's accurate then you are running your RAM as DDR(2)-667.

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Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
I was under the impression that both ram pairs were of the same speed. They are not ?
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DIMM1: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM2: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM3: Team Group Team-Value-800   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM4: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM   1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM  (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz)  (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz)  (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
The Team Group timings are different than the Kingston ones.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:33:28 AM
edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:37:19 AM
edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 10:40:35 AM
edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?


That is Front size bus, right ? Could not find it in the BIOS, Everest reports : actual 327 MHz (DDR) / effective 653 MHz


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 10:42:15 AM
edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).

Will try that.

just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:51:57 AM
edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?
That is Front size bus, right ? Could not find it in the BIOS, Everest reports : actual 327 MHz (DDR) / effective 653 MHz
Front Side Bus. You need a new motherboard -- your MB requires the use of jumpers for certain FSB/memory bus speed combinations :uhrr:

Turn off Speedstep in your BIOS and then check your FSB speed in CPU-Z. What is it reporting?

just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
Take out your RAM and verify that the part numbers are in fact what you ordered.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 10:52:21 AM
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).
Would that be the following settings ?

DRAM CAS# Latency
         RAS to CAS
         Precharge
         Activate to Precharge

All are set to [auto] atm.

"Active to Precharge" has no "18" setting, maximum is 15.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:57:51 AM
Would that be the following settings ?

DRAM CAS# Latency
         RAS to CAS
         Precharge
         Activate to Precharge

All are set to [auto] atm.

"Active to Precharge" has no "18" setting, maximum is 15.
They are in the same order they are spec'd on the RAM. I.e. 5, 5, 5, 15 or 18. If you can't set Activate to Precharge to 18 then take out your Kingston RAM and see if you still have the reset problem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 11:06:02 AM
just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 10, 2009, 11:13:11 AM
Oh, btw, thanks to the folks who helped me a while back with Dreamweaver SFTP and ssh config on FreeBSD. Your direction was correct; PAM doesn't work with Dreamweaver 8, and you need to manually tell sshd to do password authentication.

I am very happy that, for once, I was able to help out with something that I know about rather than making educated guesses.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 03:32:49 PM
just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.

Great. Jumpers are BELOW the fan of the graphic card.

Set as follows

[X][X][][][]FSB2
[X][X][][][]FSB3
[X][X][]FSB1

Which should be the default setting. *shrugs*

I tried setting the FSB to the correct size for my CPU. Did not work, windows did not even start up. Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on July 10, 2009, 04:32:29 PM
How I miss jumpers.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 05:27:30 PM
How I miss jumpers.
Wan't to trade motherboards ?   :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 06:54:19 PM
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.
Great. Jumpers are BELOW the fan of the graphic card.

Set as follows

[X][X][][][]FSB2
[X][X][][][]FSB3
[X][X][]FSB1

Which should be the default setting. *shrugs*

I tried setting the FSB to the correct size for my CPU. Did not work, windows did not even start up.
:facepalm:

Is your BIOS up-to-date? I wonder if there is something obvious we are missing here. It's hard to believe a P35 motherboard is doing such a bad job of auto-detecting the hardware installed.

Did you turn off Speedstep in the BIOS and check the auto-detect CPU settings in CPU-Z (FSB, multiplier, etc.)?

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Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
Okay that's different than the 333 MHz CPU-Z was reporting earlier. Is CPU-Z now showing 533 as well? That would imply you are trying to run your RAM as DDR2-1066, which makes sense since that's what your CPU's FSB should be set (but you still haven't said if that's what it's running at).



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 08:02:08 PM
Thanks for all your help, man.


:facepalm:

Is your BIOS up-to-date? I wonder if there is something obvious we are missing here. It's hard to believe a P35 motherboard is doing such a bad job of auto-detecting the hardware installed.

Did you turn off Speedstep in the BIOS and check the auto-detect CPU settings in CPU-Z (FSB, multiplier, etc.)?

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Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
Okay that's different than the 333 MHz CPU-Z was reporting earlier. Is CPU-Z now showing 533 as well? That would imply you are trying to run your RAM as DDR2-1066, which makes sense since that's what your CPU's FSB should be set (but you still haven't said if that's what it's running at).
I might not have been clear, when I changed the jumpers, windows would not load, at all. So I did set them back to default.

I will look for a Bios Update.

I ripped out the OEM RAM and now have only 2 Gbyte Samsung Ram installed (my father had some lying around). I was able to adjust the BIOS settings for those RAM sticks but I had to lower them to 333 Mhz 5-5-5-15 instead of 400 Mhz (auto).

Speedstep is off.

This is my CPU-Z Dump:


Processors Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores      2 (max 2)
Number of threads   2 (max 2)
Name         Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Codename      Wolfdale
Specification      Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7200  @ 2.53GHz
Package         Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
CPUID         6.7.6
Extended CPUID      6.17
Core Stepping      M0
Technology      45 nm
Core Speed      2482.5 MHz (9.5 x 261.3 MHz)
Rated Bus speed      1045.3 MHz
Stock frequency      2533 MHz
Instructions sets   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache      2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache   2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache      3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control      yes
FID range      6.0x - 9.5x
max VID         1.163 V
Features      

Chipset
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge      Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge      Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
Graphic Interface   PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width   x16
PCI-E Max Link Width   x16
Memory Type      DDR2
Memory Size      2048 MBytes
Channels      Dual (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency   326.6 MHz (4:5)
CAS#         5.0
RAS# to CAS#      5
RAS# Precharge      5
Cycle Time (tRAS)   15
Command Rate      2T

Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      647E65B8
Manufacturing date   Week 48/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz)      266   333   400   
CAS#         4.0   5.0   6.0   
RAS# to CAS# delay   4   5   6   
RAS# Precharge      4   5   6   
TRAS         12   15   18   
TRC         16   20   24   

DIMM #2

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      8165657D
Manufacturing date   Week 45/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Winbond W83627DHG hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0   1.14 Volts [0x8E] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 1   12.43 Volts [0xDF] (+12V)
Voltage sensor 2   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (AVCC)
Voltage sensor 3   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (+3.3V)
Voltage sensor 4   1.24 Volts [0x9B] (VIN1)
Voltage sensor 5   5.16 Volts [0xD7] (+5V)
Voltage sensor 6   1.66 Volts [0xD0] (VIN3)
Temperature sensor 0   35C (94F) [0x23] (SYSTIN)
Temperature sensor 1   34C (93F) [0x44] (CPUTIN)
Temperature sensor 2   15C (58F) [0x1E] (AUXTIN)
Fan sensor 1      2344 RPM [0x48] (CPUFANIN0)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 10, 2009, 08:31:43 PM
Ok, Bios is up to date now.

Stability seems to be getting worse over time. Right now I can't even play Blood Bowl or TF2 for more than a few minutes at best.


Lots of reading on the internet seems to indicate that I have one of the worst PCUs installed that is/was avaible on the market, I think I posted the specs a bit earlier.

Shitty BIOS settings aside, how likely is this PSU related ?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 10, 2009, 10:44:15 PM
I might not have been clear, when I changed the jumpers, windows would not load, at all. So I did set them back to default.
Yes your jumpers should be on the default positions (1_2).

Quote
I will look for a Bios Update.

I ripped out the OEM RAM and now have only 2 Gbyte Samsung Ram installed (my father had some lying around). I was able to adjust the BIOS settings for those RAM sticks but I had to lower them to 333 Mhz 5-5-5-15 instead of 400 Mhz (auto).

Speedstep is off.

This is my CPU-Z Dump:


Processors Information
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores      2 (max 2)
Number of threads   2 (max 2)
Name         Intel Core 2 Duo E7200
Codename      Wolfdale
Specification      Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7200  @ 2.53GHz
Package         Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
CPUID         6.7.6
Extended CPUID      6.17
Core Stepping      M0
Technology      45 nm
Core Speed      2482.5 MHz (9.5 x 261.3 MHz)
Rated Bus speed      1045.3 MHz
Stock frequency      2533 MHz
Instructions sets   MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache      2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache   2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache      3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control      yes
FID range      6.0x - 9.5x
max VID         1.163 V
Features      

Chipset
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Northbridge      Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2
Southbridge      Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02
Graphic Interface   PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width   x16
PCI-E Max Link Width   x16
Memory Type      DDR2
Memory Size      2048 MBytes
Channels      Dual (Symmetric)
Memory Frequency   326.6 MHz (4:5)
CAS#         5.0
RAS# to CAS#      5
RAS# Precharge      5
Cycle Time (tRAS)   15
Command Rate      2T

Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

DIMM #1

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      647E65B8
Manufacturing date   Week 48/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz)      266   333   400   
CAS#         4.0   5.0   6.0   
RAS# to CAS# delay   4   5   6   
RAS# Precharge      4   5   6   
TRAS         12   15   18   
TRC         16   20   24   

DIMM #2

General
Memory type      DDR2
Module format      Regular UDIMM
Manufacturer (ID)   Samsung (CE00000000000000)
Size         1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth      PC2-6400 (400 MHz)
Part number      M3 78T2863QZS-CF7
Serial number      8165657D
Manufacturing date   Week 45/Year 08

Attributes
Number of banks      1
Data width      64 bits
Correction      None
Nominal Voltage      1.80 Volts
EPP         no
XMP         no

Winbond W83627DHG hardware monitor

Voltage sensor 0   1.14 Volts [0x8E] (CPU VCORE)
Voltage sensor 1   12.43 Volts [0xDF] (+12V)
Voltage sensor 2   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (AVCC)
Voltage sensor 3   3.26 Volts [0xCC] (+3.3V)
Voltage sensor 4   1.24 Volts [0x9B] (VIN1)
Voltage sensor 5   5.16 Volts [0xD7] (+5V)
Voltage sensor 6   1.66 Volts [0xD0] (VIN3)
Temperature sensor 0   35C (94F) [0x23] (SYSTIN)
Temperature sensor 1   34C (93F) [0x44] (CPUTIN)
Temperature sensor 2   15C (58F) [0x1E] (AUXTIN)
Fan sensor 1      2344 RPM [0x48] (CPUFANIN0)
Okay I think I see what's going on here with your RAM. You would have to put in your original RAM and run the above again to confirm but I think what's happening is your MB only supports a limited range of memory timings and it's dropping the RAM frequency down because it can't support the timings of your RAM at 400 MHz (DDR2-800). If you look at the Samsung data above you can see CPU-Z is reporting 400 MHz as 6-6-6-18 and you said earlier you can't set TRAS above 15. So your Kingston RAM is probably causing the same problem as its TRAS is 18 as well which is forcing the MB to drop the RAM frequency down to 333 MHz.

At least your CPU FSB is correct at 1067 MHz (or thereabouts).

Ok, Bios is up to date now.

Stability seems to be getting worse over time. Right now I can't even play Blood Bowl or TF2 for more than a few minutes at best.


Lots of reading on the internet seems to indicate that I have one of the worst PCUs installed that is/was avaible on the market, I think I posted the specs a bit earlier.

Shitty BIOS settings aside, how likely is this PSU related ?
There's a good chance it's your PSU. I'm still suspicious of your MB, though. Power supplies tend to shut themselves off when things go bad rather than "power cycling" (i.e. rebooting themselves). MBs, though, could definitely "spontaneously" reboot the system if they are going crazy. On the other hand it's possible a voltage drop on one of the lines or other power fluctuation is actually what's triggering the MB to reboot the system. If it was me and I had the money I would replace both components.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 11, 2009, 01:11:25 AM
There's a good chance it's your PSU. I'm still suspicious of your MB, though. Power supplies tend to shut themselves off when things go bad rather than "power cycling" (i.e. rebooting themselves). MBs, though, could definitely "spontaneously" reboot the system if they are going crazy. On the other hand it's possible a voltage drop on one of the lines or other power fluctuation is actually what's triggering the MB to reboot the system. If it was me and I had the money I would replace both components.
If it's a crappy power supply, and running just at its capabilities, I don't think power cycling would be all that unusual.  They PSU may not even really shut off, the motherboard just loses enough power that it resets itself.

There's also the possibility that cycling like that has damaged the motherboard which is compounding the problem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 11, 2009, 07:29:20 AM
Ok, so I will most likely replace both components, but not at the same time.  :drill:

Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?

And a decent manufacturer of RAM ? I read Samsung is not bad. vOv


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on July 11, 2009, 07:47:43 AM
Corsair, Kingston, Cruicial.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 11, 2009, 08:08:51 AM
Hm. Right now I can't even run a complete scan on Kaperski AV without rebooting the system  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 11, 2009, 08:15:40 AM
Ok, so I will most likely replace both components, but not at the same time.  :drill:

Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?
What's your budget?

Quote
And a decent manufacturer of RAM ? I read Samsung is not bad. vOv
Samsung is the largest DRAM chip maker so their stuff is obviously used by many of the name brands. Haven't actually used Samsung's own branded DIMMs before though. Corsair is my first choice for RAM.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 11, 2009, 09:48:03 AM
Quote
Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?
What's your budget?
Not more than 100, less if possible. Right now I am thinking about an "ATX be quiet! Straight 450W" for 60.

Also that is per piece of equipment, obviously  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 11, 2009, 01:21:57 PM
This guy any good? (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/ca/en/ho/WF06b/12454-12454-3329738-214846-214846-3824167-3893333.html) I'm not sure about that video card, I assume it could be replaced or disabled. Its currently at sams club for 1200$.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on July 11, 2009, 02:47:31 PM
Say "NO" to retail prebuilt systems. You can build a pretty awesome system for that amount of money if you did it yourself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on July 11, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
I've been having to do far too much troubleshooting on my boss's new HP, I'd avoid them at this time. His is a couple steps down from that one, with tons of driver issues.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on July 11, 2009, 08:13:24 PM
The hanging at BIOS suggests that the motherboard is struggling with hardware.

NTLDR reported as missing suggests somethings' amiss with the new hard drive, but it may also be something wrong with RAM. The inability for a system to load stuff into RAM can sometimes manifest itself as 'missing' or 'corrupt' files, when in fact the files are just fine on the hard drive, its their transport to bad RAM that  makes them look missing or corrupt. The system just doesn't know how to tell you that.

Lastly, burn a copy of Ultimate Boot CD and do mem tests and HD tests if any of the above is inconclusive.

Ok the problem of BIOS hanging seems to have magically stopped. Windows loading screen is still freezing every now and again but not as often as it was. I actually remember having a similar problem last time I reinstalled XP on the old Hard drive and it died down after a while as well. I suspect you might be right about the RAM being the iffy bit I'll have to run some mem tests. Also the old HDD now has Ubuntu installed and isn't connected at the moment so conflicts from that weren't the problem. Thanks for the help Engels and Lant, magically self-repairing problems are the most worrying kind though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 12, 2009, 08:56:44 PM
Hm. I upped the voltage settings for both north and south bridge to "highest", now I was able to run a whole game of Blood Bowl withough crashing.

Temperature did not rise in any significant way, except for the GPU with rose 5 C to 55 C, but that is nothing unusual. I think.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 14, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
Hm. I upped the voltage settings for both north and south bridge to "highest", now I was able to run a whole game of Blood Bowl withough crashing.

Temperature did not rise in any significant way, except for the GPU with rose 5 C to 55 C, but that is nothing unusual. I think.
That worked only for a day.

My new PSU arrived today and in a fit of madness I decided to rip my old case apart and to put everything in a new case.

First time I did something like that, so far it worked.

Now I need to find an SATA cable so I can connect my shiny new 1TB HD.

*crosses fingers*

Let's hope my resetting problems are a thing of the past.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rasix on July 16, 2009, 12:30:56 AM
So, if all of the sudden a hard drive is running slow as dirt, popping up with a ton of bad sectors (around 200+ errors in a SeaTools test) and file problems all over the place, is it worth doing a low level format, reinstalling windows, and just praying it doesn't happen again?

Is there any way to tell if it's a physical drive failure or just mass file corruption due to something else?

Assume I've done many virus and malware checks with nothing resulting.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 16, 2009, 12:36:07 AM
If you get a utility that can read the SMART data on the drive you can get a sense that way if it's the drive that's failing. Another thing to try, though this is somewhat of a longshot, is to switch the cables (power and SATA/IDE) if you can. I recently had an external drive that was acting up (corrupted directory table and stuff) and it was actually the USB cable or the port on the USB hub that was bad.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rasix on July 17, 2009, 09:52:49 AM
Switched cables.  Did a "low level format" (what passes for one with the Seagate tools).  However, the drive fails any long test.

Got the blue screen after reinstalling windows that started this whole thing.  Some iastor.sys issue that exists apparently with Dell PCs  :awesome_for_real:, for which the Dell provided solution doesn't work (the driver update refuses to install).  Drive scan is already finding errors, although not many (2 errors at 9%).  The drive seems to be operating fine otherwise, but I'm a bit worried it's just a matter of time before the errors really start creeping in.

 Fun. :|


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 17, 2009, 10:37:25 AM
I always say: hard drives don't get better.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on July 17, 2009, 10:58:36 AM
I always say: hard drives don't get better.
No, I've heard you say other things.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on July 18, 2009, 01:32:02 AM
I always say: hard drives don't get better.
No, I've heard you say other things.

I N Y O U R M O U T H ?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on July 20, 2009, 09:25:58 AM
I did the weirdest thing yesterday.  I got a hair up my ass and went out and bought a new case, PSU and graphics card.  I then proceeded to tear out all the contents of my not-so-old Dell (bought it a year ago) and move it all over into the new case.  Never done anything like that before...I mean, I've managed to swap out the odd vid card and piece of RAM in the past, but this was essentially building a machine from scratch (minus operating system installation, but I've done that several times).  Considering I only had a basic clue as to what I was doing, it went pretty well.  Problems encountered included not plugging in what must have been the power to the processor itself, not knowing that I had to go into the BIOS to reset the order of the SATA devices for bootup and not being able to figure out exactly which pins to plug in the stupid Power and Reset buttons and the LED lights for each of those buttons.  I still haven't figure this last part out, because it seems to be all trial and error.  I have it working, but the reset button is now the power button.  The power button does nothing.  The LED lights may be reversed.  Not sure how much I care....I can still turn it on an off.

Oh, and the card I bought was the BFG GTX 285 OC - supposedly the fastest single gpu on the planet, and the reason I had to buy the new case and PSU in the first place.  Haven't had time yet to do anything but boot up a quick Age of Conan session, but it looks like it'll run it at maxed out settings at 30-40 fps in Tortage.  Weeee!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 20, 2009, 10:19:40 AM
sweet. what was the case, and what are your other system specs; cpu, memory, motherboard?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 20, 2009, 10:47:48 AM
The bit about not knowing what the pins do is why you would want to buy a mainboard separately, since it would come with a manual.  The ASUS boards, in fact, have this little dongle that you plug all the wires into and then you slip the dongle over the set of pins; hard to screw that up.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on July 20, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
sweet. what was the case, and what are your other system specs; cpu, memory, motherboard?

The case is a "CoolerMaster CM690 nVIDIA Edition ATX Mid-Tower Case"...other than being big enough to house the monster vid card and having the pre-requisite case fans, the only reason I can say I picked it was because there were things about the other cases I didn't like.

The parts I salvaged were from an Inspiron 530

CPU: Core2 Quad 6600
RAM: 4 Gb DDR2 of the 533hz variety, I believe
MB:  Dell Inspiron 530 SMT RY007 (Dual Core 775 socket)...their proprietary shit, I guess.

Motherboard and RAM could use an upgrade in theory, but I doubt I'll notice it for a while.  I'm guessing the vid card is going to make me not care for at least a year.

The bit about not knowing what the pins do is why you would want to buy a mainboard separately, since it would come with a manual.  The ASUS boards, in fact, have this little dongle that you plug all the wires into and then you slip the dongle over the set of pins; hard to screw that up.

Aye, but it isn't serious enough to warrant buying a new board.  Like I said, I did get it to work, even if it is the wrong way around.  Hopefully I won't catch fire.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 20, 2009, 12:55:52 PM
That CoolerMaster case does look rather good. I bet it keeps things pretty cool, but I have to wonder about noise reduction. It looks like its mostly alluminium.

Glad to hear your systemspecs. I had an alterior motive; my specs are very similar, but I run a 8800GT and my AoC framerate isn't the best. I was wondering how a vid upgrade might help, and it looks like it would.

Its very tempting, but I'm also hearing that the Nvidia 300 series will be released this fall. That, combined with Core i7 and SSD drives, and also USB 3.0 makes me want to hold on a bit longer and then do a full rebuild, then take my current machine into work.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Cyrrex on July 20, 2009, 01:11:19 PM
I'll post back here with more info on AoC framerates once I get a chance to put it through it's paces.  First impression, though brief, was very promising.

Noise rarely bothers me - a combination of having good after-market speakers cranked up, as well as a decade of marriage teaching me to tune out unnecessary background noises.  That said, it seems only a few decibels louder than my former case.  That may change under stress, where it will probably go higher.

Also keep in mind that BFG has that upgrade policy.  Never used it before myself, but I guess you have 100 days, within which you can trade in your current card at the current market value (value as of the day you trade it).  Last but not least, there are probably better bang-for-the-buck cards out there if you don't want to spend as much.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on July 20, 2009, 01:14:33 PM
I think winter/Q1-2010 is more likely for both Ati and Nvidia's next parts. TSMC's 40nm issues have set everything back quite a bit.

And coolermaster does some nice cases. I loves my HAF from them.

Yeah, bang for the buck is not great on the 285, but it is about as good as it gets for a single card. Can't beat the bang/buck of the Sapphire Atomic 4890 I won a few weeks ago though!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Rasix on July 20, 2009, 01:22:12 PM
The bit about not knowing what the pins do is why you would want to buy a mainboard separately, since it would come with a manual.  The ASUS boards, in fact, have this little dongle that you plug all the wires into and then you slip the dongle over the set of pins; hard to screw that up.

Yah, this is why my next upgrade will be a case/MB/CPU (and likely RAM). It was bad enough putting in a new power supply into my older XPS.  The cable management was a nightmare and things unplugged I had to guess where they went again. I bent the shit out of some dodad on the MB, which scares me.  I really need a new case as keeping this one cool in the location it's in means leaving it open as the air flow in it is crap (plus there's not any room to add more fans in the case).

Despite this, the next time I go for a whole new computer, it'll still likely to be a Dell. I'm so bad at building my own.


To tie up what I posted earlier: I ended up replacing the drive.  It was failing most self tests and small amounts of errors would be discovered continually. Got a 1TB WD.  It only took about 2 hours before Windows was installed and the comp was ready for basic use.  Not a quiet drive, but the transfer speeds and access times are rather nice.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 22, 2009, 11:06:06 AM
PSU in my main rig died.  Looking at going to 1000W.  Recommend one.  GO!

Also, thinking about ordering a Q9650 to replace a Q6600 (oc'd to 3.2Ghz).  Yay?  Nay?  Keep in mind, I will overclock it, and will probably be replacing the 8800GTS G92's in about 6 months.  Unsure if I'll be going with one card, or going SLI with whatever is current at that time (also the reason I'm looking at a 1000W PSU). 

Looking to avoid bottlenecks and run any game I want at max settings across the board at 1920x1200 reso.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 22, 2009, 11:34:28 AM
What's your budget? Cuz of course, we're all about the PSU, but they scale a lot. Also, 1000 is A LOT of power. Normally reserved for tripple crossfire configs. Hope you don't mind a steep electric bill!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 22, 2009, 11:45:50 AM
Budget?  $500 max, which is well above what the most expensive 900-1000W I could find on newegg.  Seems once you get above 1000W is when it really starts getting expensive.

I've often wondered what the home appliance equivalent was to a high end / high wattage PSU.  A fridge?  Dryer?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on July 22, 2009, 11:47:51 AM
As has been said, look at the amperage on the 12V rails. High wattage is nice, but the 12V rail amperage is critical.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_supply_rail

Like memory and, well, everything, I stick to quality name brands for PSUs. I'd rather cry while buying it than cry every time it shits the bed on me or suffer through sub-par performance.

Without taking the time to go through all the currently available supplies, I'll pull out two supplies as an example. PPC&C 750W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009) vs Topower 1100W (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817342013). The PPC&C delivers 60A on the 12V rail, while the Topower delivers 20A.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on July 22, 2009, 01:58:23 PM
Also, thinking about ordering a Q9650 to replace a Q6600 (oc'd to 3.2Ghz).  Yay?  Nay? 

Personally I'm saving for better video card or for a switch to i5/i7 (have a Q6600 + p35 chipset + 8800gt).

775 socket is getting to the end of its life and the P55 is launching this fall bringing the new platform (http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Intel_to_Launch_Core_i5_Core_i7_CPUs_in_Sept/551-104670-893.html) down to a reasonable price so you will start to see more and more of the 775 phased out. I doubt you will cause the q6600 @3.2Ghz to bottleneck performance until you hit the very high end cards and then it's probably more of a benchmark loss then real world.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 22, 2009, 03:26:02 PM
I have heard that Corsairs are good now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010320058+50001459&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&Subcategory=58&description=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&srchInDesc=


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 22, 2009, 03:56:59 PM
I was looking at that Corsair, actually.  Good deal.  Thanks for the input!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hoax on July 22, 2009, 08:48:51 PM
I have a Corsair and no complaints so far, they were heavily recommended on [h]ardocp and also they make modular PSU's which is pretty cool.  However I sometimes wake up in the night wishing it was a Seasonic, you can't beat Seasonic for quality PSU's.  My only other brand experiences have been bad and I one bought a Zalman branded PSU but I had looked up who the manufacturer of the actual unit was and it was rated well by those in the know.  Its still running 6 years later.

Seasonic though is the best of the best with honors and since you have a stupid large budget I would find one of their units that gives you the 12V power you need.  Buying based on the wattage is stupid.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 22, 2009, 09:44:04 PM
Some of the Corsairs are made by Seasonic.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 22, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
Is there a way to tell?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 22, 2009, 10:26:46 PM
Not easily. You can Google on:

Corsair Seasonic CWT

but there's conflicting info out there. I.e. some of the Corsair PSes people say are made by Seasonic may actually be made by CWT and vice versa.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 23, 2009, 12:51:44 PM
So, I ordered the new PC. I have everything hooked up, except for the case fans. the one in the back, and the one in the side.

They each have two plugs, on directly off the fan with two wires, the other is off the connector with the two wires, but it has 4 wires going to it. I assume I connect this to the PSU?

Am I correct in assuming that if I connect the one with just the two wires, it will just be on and off, but if i connect it to the one with 4, that the PSU will control speed?

The only place on the motherboard to connect a fan was for the CPU fan. The case fans have vastly different connectors.

Advice?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on July 23, 2009, 02:27:12 PM
If I understand you right:

  • The four-prong wire from the fan goes to the PSU. That's the only way to power the fan.
  • The two-prong wire goes to the mobo. There's a number of different places to plug it into your mobo. This will allow the BIOS (and apps) to display the fan speed and may allow the mobo to control the fan speed (depending on model).



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 23, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
I guess i didn't explain it right. The connectors look like this:

(http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-189-119-03.jpg)


With the two small wires attached to the fan. But, I think I have answered my own question, as I didn't notice at the time, but one is male, and the other female, so only one will work attaching it to the PSU. As far as I can tell, the mother board does not accept any connection like that one above. The CPU fan, however, had a spot and a different connector.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on July 23, 2009, 04:16:05 PM
The other end is so you can daisy chain device power lines together.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 23, 2009, 04:26:54 PM
 Most modern motherboards have at least 3, if not 4 or 5 connectors. They should be 3 pronged males that look the end of the connector you just posted a picture of.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 23, 2009, 04:50:36 PM
The larger ones are called "molex" I believe, and I will be happy when they are phased out.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 23, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
It's just two different ways to power the fan.  Most motherboards have a few 3/4 pin fan connectors, but not all do, so molex is an alternative power connector.

Much like Yeg, I will be very happy when the molex connectors are phased out.  I've given myself so many cuts trying to separate stuck pieces.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 24, 2009, 10:03:51 AM
Most modern motherboards have at least 3, if not 4 or 5 connectors. They should be 3 pronged males that look the end of the connector you just posted a picture of.

There was nothing on the mother board that would accept that fitting.

This is the motherboard.  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131377)

The other end is so you can daisy chain device power lines together.


Ahhh, I see now.

Anyway, all is fine, nothing blew up!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 24, 2009, 10:11:46 AM
Most modern motherboards have at least 3, if not 4 or 5 connectors. They should be 3 pronged males that look the end of the connector you just posted a picture of.

There was nothing on the mother board that would accept that fitting.

This is the motherboard.  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131377)


There are 4 of those on that motherboard. Two by the heat pipe for the chipset cooler, two on the edge by the ram slots.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 24, 2009, 10:15:45 AM
Most modern motherboards have at least 3, if not 4 or 5 connectors. They should be 3 pronged males that look the end of the connector you just posted a picture of.

There was nothing on the mother board that would accept that fitting.

This is the motherboard.  (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131377)


There are 4 of those on that motherboard. Two by the heat pipe for the chipset cooler, two on the edge by the ram slots.

I'm talking about the big white ends, with the 4 posts. There is no connection for that. As I said before, in the image I posted, the two leads go right to the fan, and are attached, it does not have that connector (small, 2-3 prong)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Molex_female_connector.jpg)

The octopus of a power supply has two stands of this:

(http://reviews.techaddicts.net/albums/mushkinap580/normal_2molex_wm.jpg)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 24, 2009, 10:37:03 AM
Sorry if I misunderstood you. I was under the impression that the fans themselves had a wire with a 3 'hole' small female power connector. The cable adapter you posted a picture of earlier can be used if all your motherboard connectors are taken.

Are you saying that the fans themselves do not have the standard 3 prong female end, but end in a molex (the 4 pronged larger connector)? Or are you saying that although they do have a 3 prong small female connector, its just way too short to plug into the motherboard?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 24, 2009, 10:41:02 AM
Are you saying that the fans themselves do not have the standard 3 prong female end, but end in a molex (the 4 pronged larger connector)?

Yep. X2, one is male and one is female. The two wire lead to the fan is not removable.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on July 24, 2009, 11:13:17 AM
Molex connects to the power supply.  Fans do not have to be plugged into the motherboard unless you have some burning desire for every auxillery fan to report its speed in BIOS, in which case go get a different fan.

It just needs power.  Find the matching end and plug it in.  It'll be fine.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Mrbloodworth on July 24, 2009, 02:12:33 PM
Molex connects to the power supply.  Fans do not have to be plugged into the motherboard unless you have some burning desire for every auxillery fan to report its speed in BIOS, in which case go get a different fan.

It just needs power.  Find the matching end and plug it in.  It'll be fine.

Yep, figured that out already =)

The pink machine ran all night with out going into flames!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on July 24, 2009, 04:43:06 PM
Two words: wire nuts.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 24, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
In fact, I found out that some 12 cm low RPM fans purposefully do not have the 3rd wire and only provide molex because they are specialized fans only meant for low noise, low RPM.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on July 26, 2009, 09:37:49 PM
If I have this PSU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139005)

Besides getting a plug adapter, is there anything other special equipment I would need in order to run the PC on a foreign country's powergrid?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 26, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
No. Though you might want to buy a UPS over there depending on the country and how long you are staying there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 27, 2009, 01:52:04 AM
Europe also runs at 50 hertz. The PSU should tell you if it can handle the 10 hertz drop from the US to EU.

Some info here (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-electrical-voltage-differences-between-the-us-and-europe.htm)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on July 27, 2009, 06:31:28 PM
Yeah, it says Input Frequency Range     50/60 Hz.

So should I notice zero difference when plugging into a different grid, since it seems the PSU can use so many different grades of power?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on July 27, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
I'd say so. Unless there's some weird manufacturing shortcut where the parts will 'sorta' work in a different country for a while, but have a greatly reduced lifespan since they weren't -really- made for a different voltage/freq. I have no earthly idea tho.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 27, 2009, 07:36:31 PM
Yeah, it says Input Frequency Range     50/60 Hz.

So should I notice zero difference when plugging into a different grid, since it seems the PSU can use so many different grades of power?
Correct. It's a "universal" power supply cause it supports 50/60 Hz, 100 - 240 Volts.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 31, 2009, 06:45:33 AM
Since I installed my new motherboard and PSU I don't have a cd-rom/dvd-drive connected, because I need the two IDE slots for my two hard drives.

So I have started to use nocd-patches to still be able to run my non-steam games.

Now I have Kapersky Anti Virus installed and all (every single one of them) of my "fixed" exes come up with a keylogger alert. I got them from various sources, a scan of the files does not show anything unusual. I would not be suprised if I got a few infected files, but all of them ? What has the world come to ?

What struck me as odd is that only Kapersky gives a keylogger alert, Avast or AVG did not recognize anything. System scans show nothing as well.

Now I am wondering if Kapersky is the problem.  :awesome_for_real:

Also recomendations for good scan/clean AV software would be much appreciated.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 31, 2009, 07:00:48 AM
Where did you get your no-CD patches from?

I've seen this "discrepancy" with trainer programs where one scanner would flag one as a key logger but others wouldn't. I chalked it up to that scanner being "overly sensitive" to keyboard traps (don't remember the scanner but it wasn't Kapersky) which some trainers have so they can activate trainer functions from within the game (I deleted the trainer anyways just in case). I don't see why, though, a no-CD hacked game executable would need to do the same sort of keyboard hack unless the original executable has the same code in it and therefore would be flagged by Kaspersky as well.

It could be there's some other common no-CD hack pattern that is similiar to a pattern within a key logger that Kaspersky is triggering off of but I don't know what that might be.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 31, 2009, 07:57:25 AM
Where did you get your no-CD patches from?

I've seen this "discrepancy" with trainer programs where one scanner would flag one as a key logger but others wouldn't. I chalked it up to that scanner being "overly sensitive" to keyboard traps (don't remember the scanner but it wasn't Kapersky) which some trainers have so they can activate trainer functions from within the game (I deleted the trainer anyways just in case). I don't see why, though, a no-CD hacked game executable would need to do the same sort of keyboard hack unless the original executable has the same code in it and therefore would be flagged by Kaspersky as well.

It could be there's some other common no-CD hack pattern that is similiar to a pattern within a key logger that Kaspersky is triggering off of but I don't know what that might be.

Hm. Gamecopyworld is one of them, a few I got from torrent sites.

What I don't get is that the alarm only goes of if I run the file (and only if Kapersky is active, Avast and AVG remain silent), scans of the file or the whole directory or the whole archive show nothing.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on July 31, 2009, 08:04:51 AM
Well it could be the exe code is obfuscated in some way so a file scan isn't picking things up but when the code actually runs in memory Kapersky is picking up an attempt to trap keyboard events or something of that natureal.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on July 31, 2009, 10:38:53 AM
Buy a goddamned Lite-On SATA optical, ya teutonic twat.

$20 or risk getting a keylogger/virus/aids/whatever. Tough one.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on July 31, 2009, 11:24:52 AM
Buy a goddamned Lite-On SATA optical, ya teutonic twat.

$20 or risk getting a keylogger/virus/aids/whatever. Tough one.
Got the drive already. I just need to install it.  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on July 31, 2009, 12:05:54 PM
Also recomendations for good scan/clean AV software would be much appreciated.  :awesome_for_real:

Microsoft security essentials (http://www.betanews.com/article/print/New-Microsoft-Morro-antimalware-will-share-competitors-security-events/1245792385)  :grin:

Quote
MSE is aimed first and foremost at users who either cant or wont pay for antivirus/anti-malware software. There will be no registration required, no trials with an expiration date or required renewals. But Microsoft is restricting the MSE download (both the beta and final) to PCs running Genuine Windows

It's in beta right now Vista/7 (32/64bit) and XP (32bit) for unlimited installs on non production systems.

Dig around and you can find it (but for god sake check the md5/sha signatures (http://www.dasmirnov.net/blog/microsoft-security-essentials-md5-and-sh)).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on July 31, 2009, 12:22:54 PM
Oddly enough, clicking on the MSE link caused IE to lock up and require a complete reboot  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on July 31, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
Sorry about that flash heavy site that had some info (switching links to another review print link)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 02, 2009, 02:22:47 PM
So the other day something in my computer finally snapped and shat itself. Instant diagnosis was either the graphics card or motherboard since the screen was suddenly filled with artifacting and upon trying to reboot it simply refused to do anything for an hour or two. Power light and fans, etc. came on but nothing else. When it finally did boot to Bios there was lots of artifacting and XP wouldn't load. I've been putting off an upgrade for a while and most of the system was 5 years old (Graphics card was closer to 7 :ye_gods:) so went out today and bought myself a shiny i7 with a new MB, RAM, PSU and a cheap Radeon 3650 I plan to upgrade. Installed it all (first time, go me) and the only problem I've got is the power LED doesn't seem to be in right but I think that's down to a slightly weird set up issue and is made up for by the fact that the internal temperature LED is now finally working on the case.

My problem however is that I want to now move to Windows 7 RC, ideally the 64 version. I've downloaded and burned the iso to a DVD but can't install from XP since it's the 32 bit version and the DVD doesn't seem to be bootable. Trying to run it just gives me a message to boot from it which doesn't help. Am I doing something stupid? How do I get this bugger to work so I can enjoy the full upgrade experience?

I also bought a new keyboard since my old one had a couple of keys where the springs had failed. The new one is a lightweight USB thing that's too thin and not very tactile, I now understand Schild's dislike of them.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on August 02, 2009, 02:56:14 PM
Have you checked your BIOS to see if the CD drive comes before the HD in boot priority?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 02, 2009, 04:32:04 PM
Yeah, I even made sure by disabling everything except the CD drive as a boot device and just got a message that I need to insert bootable media or restart. The .iso image seems to be good but won't work as a boot device.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on August 02, 2009, 05:54:31 PM
When you burned the .iso image did you specify that you were making a bootable DVD? When I make one with Nero I have to specifically choose to make a bootable disk.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on August 02, 2009, 06:58:19 PM
Ya, that's my other suspicion. Might want to burn the iso using something very basic, like the default burn interface that comes with Windows, rather than a program like Nero or Roxio.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 02, 2009, 07:17:58 PM
That could be it. Burned the disc with Alcohol and there doesn't seem to be any option to make a bootable anything there. Followed an on-line guide that used imgburn that also lacked this option (though the guide strongly suggested, as in basically said, that this should work as a bootable disc). Installing Nero now to give that a whirl but I don't seem to have any default DVD burning program bundled with windows. Any suggestions on something reliable (assuming Nero doesn't do the job)?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 02, 2009, 07:46:47 PM
Did you actually download the ISO or did you make it yourself from a set of files? There's nothing special you need to do to make an ISO that was made to be bootable into a bootable CD/DVD -- you just burn it. But if your ISO wasn't made to be bootable you need to remake the ISO so that it is, or burn the individual files from the ISO using something like Nero and tell Nero to make a bootable DVD.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 02, 2009, 08:24:41 PM
Using the official straight from MS iso image to burn. I get the feeling I'm just doing something stupid because it seems ridiculous the 64 bit version iso would be borked. However the CD drive works and I even used it to do a fresh XP install before trying to move with the times. I might have a go at burning and booting with a 32 bit version of W7 tomorrow and see if I have any more luck.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on August 03, 2009, 01:58:18 AM
It could be a corrupt download, or your burning process is getting corrupted. I burn a lot of CDs/DVDs at work of bootable OSs, etc, and one out of, say, 5 gets horked in the burn. Its an imperfect science.

One thing that I do sometimes is turn the burn speed down one notch from max. I know it, probably has zero technical merit, but part of me thinks that a slower burn is a more careful burn with less chance of corruption.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 03, 2009, 03:14:05 AM
Any suggestions on something reliable (assuming Nero doesn't do the job)?

Been using the default program in Ubuntu for my ISO burns, zero coasters so far.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 03, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
As I thought, retardedness uncovered :oh_i_see:. The CD drive option in Bios wasn't my CD drive, picked the right drive and am now posting from Windows 7. Seems nice so far but I never got Vista so getting used to the changes may take a little while.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on August 03, 2009, 11:25:13 PM
If I bring a LCD monitor overseas, do I need to do anything special besides getting the appropriate plug adapter?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: IainC on August 04, 2009, 01:55:04 AM
I have an annoying problem since returning from holiday. Bear in mind that everyhting worked fine before going away for three weeks and the problem manifested itself from the first time I restarted my PC on my return.

I have a wireless network in my house consisting of a DSL box serving two PCs, an Xbox 360 and a PS3. If you're curious the DSL box is Vodafone's DSL Easy-Box 802. My PC only has intermittent internet connectivity, it will be fine for about a minute then drop for a couple of minutes and then start working again. This will repeat over and over. At the moment I'm watching the EvE client download (which resumes automatically) and I can see it's a fairly steady pattern of approximately 1 minute on, 3 minutes off. While I don't have internet connectivity, I do still have a network connection, I can browse the local network and the wireless network icon doesn't show any errors. I can access the DSL box config page at all times and monitor the connection which is reported as being fine - I can even test the connection from there which will succeed even when the internet connection on my PC is unavailable.

My wife's PC is fine and has an uninterrupted connection as are the two consoles so it's pretty clearly an issue with my machine.

I've reinstalled the wireless modem in my OC twice and, in desperation I've performed a clean reinstall of Windows as well (XP Home). At the moment I'm on a pretty much vanilla install with no updates as I can't download them reliably.

I've checked the connection settings via ipconfig and the TCP/IP properties and compared them with those on my wife's PC, they appear to be fine. The DSL box is the  DHCP server to all the machines and that appears to be in order too - there are no conflicts and Ive also tried manually assigning IP addresses across the networkand that makes no odds.

Running a network cable between my PC and the network box is out of the question as they are on different floors of my apartment and there is no convenient path from one to the other.

My DSL box clearly works, my wireless network card clearly works and I seem to have ruled out some fruity Windows issue so I don't understand what the problem could be.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 04, 2009, 03:05:27 AM
If I bring a LCD monitor overseas, do I need to do anything special besides getting the appropriate plug adapter?
Depends on the monitor's power supply/brick.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 04, 2009, 03:16:52 AM
Running a network cable between my PC and the network box is out of the question as they are on different floors of my apartment and there is no convenient path from one to the other.
If your machine is the only one that's on and connecting wirelessly (i.e. the game boxes are off and your wife's PC is off) do you still have this problem?

Move your PC temporarily to the floor the router is on and use a cable to connect them.

If a cable works are you using any sort of security mechanisms to keep unauthorized machines for connecting wirelessly? If yes turn it/them off temporarily. If no turn it/them on temporarily.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: IainC on August 04, 2009, 03:30:38 AM
Nevermind, I'm a moron. My machine was still connected to a separate wired router that was providing our network in the weeks before Vodafone connected our DSL up. When I left for my holiday, I unplugged everything and it was off for long enough to reset itself to factory defaults. Thus I had two DHCP servers trying to assign me a network address. Once I unplugged it everything was fine.

Grrr.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 06, 2009, 02:49:14 PM
Firstly I'm running Windows 7, Sapphire HD Radeon 3650 on an Asus P6T with an i7 920 and 4gb RAM.

I'm back with a (hopefully) non-retarded question. With my newly revamped PC I finally got round to installing Fallout 3 but I've encountered some really fuckin annyoing crashes. First session was fine lasted an hour or so then quit the game and booted it up about 20 minutes later and suddenly after about 3 or 4 seconds of play the game would stop responding and I'd get a message saying the video card had rebooted. This continued every time I tried to play. After rebooting the box things improved insofar as after 3 or 4 seconds the screen would freeze for about 10 seconds, briefly switch to desktop and then let me play for another 3 or 4 seconds before repeating. I left the whole thing alone and started it up again today and got a few hours of playtime before quitting the program and the problem started all over again.

Prior to moving to Windows 7 I had a similar problem with DoW II demo on XP which crashed and gave me a message that my video card had stopped responding and been rebooted. I've installed the latest catalyst drivers and the 9.6 drivers. Neither seemed to help. Problem could be overheating I guess, the card seems to be running a little under 50C. I'm not sure if that's hot but it's also set for the lowest overclock settings which means overheats well within design parameters. I'm hoping this isn't the case.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on August 06, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
My 8800GTX pushes 80C on stuff like Crysis.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 06, 2009, 03:08:11 PM
So probably not an overheating issue as far as I can see but something seems to be screwing with it. I'm not convinced it's a driver issue just because different drivers seem to have made no difference and it can play without a problem. I've got a 750w PSU so it shouldn't be a power issue either but it seems to be something related to the vid card. Have I just got a bum card?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on August 06, 2009, 04:19:03 PM
Could be RAM or mobo, too.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 06, 2009, 06:01:57 PM
Hey that's a huge help, now I have to worry about everything else I just bought! :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on August 06, 2009, 06:08:57 PM
What keyboard are you using? I had VERY strange problems that I thought were anywhere from failing blue ray player to virus infection, and it turned out it was my POS $100.00 Razer keyboard that, after a month of use, is now in the trashcan.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 06, 2009, 06:16:37 PM
Hmm.. Got an MS ergonomic keyboard. Might give my old PS/2 connecting one a shot just to make sure though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on August 06, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
Have you physically inspected the card to make sure the fan is unobstructed, the heat sink is still attached and isn't clogged with dust wolves, the memory heatsinks are still there, and the video card power connection is secure? And that the fan is spinning when on of course. Next I'd go to the catalyst control center > overdrive and see what the fan is defaulting to. Then perhaps turn it to 80% or so and see if that makes a difference. You could be overheating the memory chips on the card itself.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 06, 2009, 06:50:36 PM
Physical inspection of the card and it seems fine. Big plastic thing covering the fan/chip so it's not impossible that there's something wrong there but it doesn't feel hand meltingly hot right after shut down. Got the message (and game properly crashing) again and it says that the driver stopped responding. Tried a few different versions of the catalyst drivers and all seem to do the same thing, could the drivers just be borked for my card (this would include the drivers on the CD with the card and the ones on the manufacturers website)?

Catalyst control centre seems to suggest the card is running at absoilute minimum, processor is 300mhz and memory is 500mhz. Hitting the autotune button just results in a window saying the system is being tested that stays there until I hit cancel. I've left it for about an hour before and nothing happened.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on August 06, 2009, 09:17:22 PM
I'd remove all driver bits, guru3d I think has a tool for it. DriverSweeper or some such. Then fresh install latest Catalyst. Sounds like something in your driver install is borked.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 08, 2009, 10:03:05 AM
Tried that and it seems to have made absolutely no difference. It isn't unplayable simply because sometimes it will happily play with almost no problems whatsoever for hours. It's even crashed and restarted the program a-ok. Then I'll shut it down, boot it back up 3 minutes later and it starts the crash cycle again. It's persisting and changing stuff doesn't seem to be doing anything (drivers a couple of times and tried swapping it between different PCI-e slots). I'm now getting bored trying to do anything or figure out what's wrong and since I can still play a bit I think I'm just going to write it up as a fucking annoyance. If it persists in all games (still haven't got round to trying anything else) I may start throwing things at walls to calm down.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: rattran on August 08, 2009, 11:00:55 AM
Sapphire is pretty good for warranty in my limited experience with them, might want to give them a call. Or pick up a $30 video card and use that to isolate the problem.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 08, 2009, 11:10:03 AM
Yeah, since it seemed to happen in XP 32 and W7 64 I'm going to guess it isn't actually a driver issue even though the message I get is, "The driver stopped responding." Will have a look at borrowing a Vid card or getting a cheap piece of crap for testing purposes. Thanks for the suggestions in the thread guys.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 09, 2009, 10:56:59 AM
Tried that and it seems to have made absolutely no difference. It isn't unplayable simply because sometimes it will happily play with almost no problems whatsoever for hours. It's even crashed and restarted the program a-ok. Then I'll shut it down, boot it back up 3 minutes later and it starts the crash cycle again. It's persisting and changing stuff doesn't seem to be doing anything (drivers a couple of times and tried swapping it between different PCI-e slots). I'm now getting bored trying to do anything or figure out what's wrong and since I can still play a bit I think I'm just going to write it up as a fucking annoyance. If it persists in all games (still haven't got round to trying anything else) I may start throwing things at walls to calm down.
My system was exhibiting something similar earlier this year.  I spent a lot of time and effort trying to track it down (and a new vid card, because the symptoms were perfect for a fried GPU).  It was something at the system level though, because after a full format, things worked perfectly.

I think it was left-overs from an unpleasant little virus I got, or the Mass Effect DRM.  All my problems seemed to start in earnest after I installed it. :sad:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 11, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
Need a bit of help, my in laws PC got badly virused I came over to fix it none of the browsers were working so I tried to reinstall IE. I know it was dumb but I uninstalled the original nonworking one and it removed some important DLLs and I can only assume regvalues so now Windows Explorer doesn't work and I can only access Data through Taskmgr which is having issues aswell. I can't reinstall the IE8 this way as it tells me the crytographic services now aren't working. Anyway I have a boot repair CD and I have mini XP running off it, using which I have removed a couple of nasty viruses. The best solution it seems is running a boot repair off the Windows XP CD. I have this CD but the version I have doesn't have the option for Repair, only an option to format install Windows which is not an option or the recovery console. I can't easily backup their data either as the Harddrive is an old IDE drive and I only have SATA connections on my PC so I can't do a crossover only option there is to burn off a dozen DVDs. Anyone know where I can get my hands on a Boot CD with the Windows-repair option I have the legit XP serial key? Actually the XP CD I have is Windows Professional and they are running Home Edition so I need that disc it seems but not easy to get your hands on, any tips welcome.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on August 11, 2009, 10:27:33 AM
Uninstalling IE8 should not have horked your OS. I think that's a bi-product of your infection.

You could probably futz around with media and get Windows reinstalled/repaired, but to be honest, at this stage, between the viruses and your horked explorer (the windows 'gui'), I'd say you are better off copying vital files to a thumb drive and then reinstalling. I'd do this via a Ubuntu or Fedora live CD since that OS would probably prevent infection of the thumdrive (allowing, of course, that the files you're copying aren't themselves infected).

That said, if you are hell bent on recovering the OS, you may want to use Task Manager to run 'cmd.exe' and then running a chkdsk command  (http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/chkdsk.mspx?mfr=true) with the appropriate flags. Chkdsk can often recover vital OS files that are corrupted or missing.


If that works, I'd then want to run an off-line scan of your system, so I would suggest installing Avast! antivirus that, upon its first installation, asks you if you want to run a 'at boot time' scan. I've found it useful in removing some pretty entrenched virii in the past. Others may have other solutions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 11, 2009, 10:37:36 AM
I can't easily backup their data either as the Harddrive is an old IDE drive and I only have SATA connections on my PC so I can't do a crossover only option there is to burn off a dozen DVDs.
Buy an external hard drive case that accepts IDE drives and plug that into your computer using USB or FireWire (depending on what the case provides and what your computer accepts).

You are going to have to reinstall Windows. Trying to repair it is not a long term solution since even if you somehow manage to get it working things will still be fucked up from the malware that's still there.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on August 11, 2009, 11:58:26 AM
You could also get one of these, though the external case would come in useful beyond this instance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812232004


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on August 11, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
You are going to have to reinstall Windows. Trying to repair it is not a long term solution since even if you somehow manage to get it working things will still be fucked up from the malware that's still there.

Do this grab a hard drive caddy with both connectors or something like this converter (http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816014) so you can connect it right to another PC.

Format format format, your going to waste tons of time trying to repair the damage and never know if its fixed say if there is some damage their pc suffered that effects the install of further patches. Backup their hard drive some how. Take the XP CD, download the latest drivers for their computer and grab sp3 (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5b33b5a8-5e76-401f-be08-1e1555d4f3d4&DisplayLang=en), and a copy of nlite (http://www.nliteos.com/). Slipstream in the patch to the cd and the drivers using nlite and reinstall.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 11, 2009, 12:17:53 PM
Thanks fellas I'll look at getting one of those adapters somewhere. Also yeh I agree I got some pretty nasty viruses on my own PC recently and the only solution was a fresh install. Problem is in that case I had no CD but I was able to mirror a working OS from the original HDD in this case there's no mirror or no XP CD hrrumph hate Windows more and more, but alas it's the old folks and they won't take Ubuntu kindly so the age old question where to get my hands on Windows XP install CD?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on August 12, 2009, 12:44:09 AM
no XP CD hrrumph hate Windows more and more, but alas it's the old folks and they won't take Ubuntu kindly so the age old question where to get my hands on Windows XP install CD?

Don't hate XP, hate the system builder that didn't include a CD. It was common till late I think up to a year ago dell charged extra for an OEM branded install disc.

If your lucky there might be an i386 directory on the hard drive for "reinstall" self recovery/CD tool vendors sometimes use. You can take the i386 directory (check it for virii) and load it into nlite as an install source to hopefully build an install CD.

Legally? Contact your system builder and buy a CD.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 12, 2009, 01:43:58 PM
Her old man is going into the city to collect one of those IDE converters tomorrow, in the meantime I've tracked down a Windows XP CD and doing a repair install see how it works after that. And you are correct Fuser this was a Dell machine so no CD in the box but I had one lying around from an old PC from years ago. Funny thing is I hear it's illegal to download and share the Windows install but yet if they don't give you the CD so you need to purchase it even though it is bundled with your machine, total sham if you ask me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 12, 2009, 09:35:07 PM
Ok I managed to do repair install and then a boot run scan with Avast which got rid of another 3 virii, PC is running pretty smooth now. To be on the safe side I'm gonna back everything up with that IDE converter and if it relapses just do a reformat. Thanks for the advice guys was a good platform.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on August 13, 2009, 04:04:32 AM
How on earth did they get that badly infected in the first place? Does someone have a secret porn obsession or something? Or just not know enough to never, ever click random email links?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on August 13, 2009, 07:42:38 AM
they come in bundles these days. one acts as a gate-opener, then others come in and root about.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on August 13, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
About 3-4 days ago my router started giving me trouble with wireless. It's really weird because my downloads go fast, but websites either don't load or go really slow. MSN also pops up a connection error saying changes made might not be saved to the server. I can't figure this out. I've changed the channels on the router, but no dice. What else could be the problem?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 13, 2009, 06:35:03 PM
Just taking a wild stab in the dark: proxy settings for your browser? (If it's on 'auto' turn it off, if it's off turn it on 'auto').

Edit: did you reboot the router? Does it work fine over Ethernet?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on August 13, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Changed proxy setting in Firefox to auto from  being off.

I rebooted the router twice through the GUI, twice by power cycle and even factory reset it. Nothing fixed the problem. Last I checked, ethernet was fine, but I'll take another look.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 13, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
Is it hanging during name resolution (DNS lookups)?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 13, 2009, 10:33:50 PM
How on earth did they get that badly infected in the first place? Does someone have a secret porn obsession or something? Or just not know enough to never, ever click random email links?

Their Virus Scanner subsrcription ended and they didn't renew it, they are middle aged and completely not internet savvy got the idea in their heads that Kerio firewall would stop everything. Anyway it's like a riot act at the moment might not be salvagable but it's working-ish for now albeit very slowly. Still twice as fast as it was before I got my hands on it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on August 14, 2009, 04:55:08 PM
Don't know where to stuff this, but the egg is having a 72 hour HDD sale, code HDDSALE15. 15% off up to $10, just bought a WD 500GB Black for $60 free ship.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 15, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
You could also get one of these, though the external case would come in useful beyond this instance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812232004

I got my hands on one of these but when I plug it in doesn't pick up the HDD, properly, it detects it somewhat but cannot run it.

When I boot I get the message "Secondary drive 0 not found". It's spinning so the power cable is ok, maybe I need to update the BIOS?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 15, 2009, 04:32:47 PM
Just happened to see this in one of the reviews when I went to see what it was:

Quote
    Pros: Now that I got it working, its great... I can use my old IDE optical drive.
    Cons: Well, before I loaded my OS I NEEDED the jumper on my DRIVE set to master for it to work correctly, after it was all loaded, turned the computer off, turned back on & it wouldnt read my drive... switched the jumper to "cable select" then booted & it worked perfectly!!!!
    Other Thoughts: You might have to switch from master before loading OS, then cable select AFTER.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 15, 2009, 05:07:17 PM
I can boot the OS fine, it's seeing the Master drive as the Primary drive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 15, 2009, 08:32:53 PM
You could also get one of these, though the external case would come in useful beyond this instance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812232004

I got my hands on one of these but when I plug it in doesn't pick up the HDD, properly, it detects it somewhat but cannot run it.

When I boot I get the message "Secondary drive 0 not found". It's spinning so the power cable is ok, maybe I need to update the BIOS?
May need to fiddle with the jumper on the IDE drive. Never used that sort of adapter so not totally sure.

Edit: whoops Viin already posted that


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 15, 2009, 09:08:08 PM
I got my hands on one of these but when I plug it in doesn't pick up the HDD, properly, it detects it somewhat but cannot run it.

When I boot I get the message "Secondary drive 0 not found". It's spinning so the power cable is ok, maybe I need to update the BIOS?


Whoops yes excuse my ignorance on that one I didn't know what that meant never really dealt with IDE drives much, it's obviously a physical switch over of leads right? I thought it was something in the bios needed to be switched, I'll get on that. Ok I can see it now but it's pretty awkward to get at and the drive can't be removed without taking out the floppy and CD rom also. I'm gonna try and get a toothpick and pop it out I think it's in this one if that makes any sense >> ::[:]:

(http://www.seagate.com/images/support/en/us/useries9.gif)

Ok I've tried every sequence on this diagram except for the one with the two jumpers on it. It was initially on cable select afaik.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 16, 2009, 09:11:13 PM
You are running another SATA drive I assume? Try unplugging it and just booting up with this drive set as MASTER. Then go into your BIOS and make sure it's recognizing it. After that, plug your SATA back in and set this one to CABLE SELECT and start up again in BIOS.. make sure it shows both. If not, try having it auto detect the drive.

Are you sure this drive still works?  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on August 16, 2009, 09:52:16 PM
Is it hanging during name resolution (DNS lookups)?

How would I know if it is?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 17, 2009, 03:35:57 AM
Is it hanging during name resolution (DNS lookups)?

How would I know if it is?
Open up a command prompt. Figure out the domain name of a "resource" that's taking a long time to load. Type at the prompt:

nslookup <domain name>

E.g.

nslookup f13.net

If that's taking a long time it's your DNS server that's borked. Many ISPs have poor DNS servers. PacBell/SBC/AT&T was notoriously bad when they were first rolling out DSL lines in the SF Bay Area. I actually just used the DNS servers of my co-location servers for the longest time instead. Comcast isn't so great in my current area either.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Amarr HM on August 17, 2009, 06:22:07 AM
You are running another SATA drive I assume? Try unplugging it and just booting up with this drive set as MASTER. Then go into your BIOS and make sure it's recognizing it. After that, plug your SATA back in and set this one to CABLE SELECT and start up again in BIOS.. make sure it shows both. If not, try having it auto detect the drive.

Are you sure this drive still works?  :why_so_serious:

They needed the machine back so never really found out I'll probably be getting it back in a couple of weeks though presumably riddled with viruses again. If/when that happens I'll try again and yes the spare SATA drive works hehe checked that aforehand. Just wondering though should I have set something akin to jumpers somewhere on the converter/SATA drive aswell to mimic IDE? There didn't seem to be a place to do it vOv


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on August 17, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
If that's taking a long time it's your DNS server that's borked. Many ISPs have poor DNS servers. PacBell/SBC/AT&T was notoriously bad when they were first rolling out DSL lines in the SF Bay Area. I actually just used the DNS servers of my co-location servers for the longest time instead. Comcast isn't so great in my current area either.

Did that and this is what I got:

(http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/41161/Images/cmd.jpg)

Took about 10 seconds to actually get a result.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on August 17, 2009, 06:13:51 PM
Your DNS is borked unless your router hosts it ;)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on August 17, 2009, 06:22:21 PM
God damnit. It was perfectly fine 2 weeks ago. God I hate technology.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on August 17, 2009, 07:16:18 PM
It's no big deal, just go into the router settings and set a couple of public DNS servers for look up services:

This is just from a google search but the servers on there are what I expected to see:
http://www.tech-faq.com/public-dns-servers.shtml


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: NiX on August 17, 2009, 07:41:43 PM
Would a slow DNS cause issues with MSN and Newsgroup downloading?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 17, 2009, 07:50:47 PM
A DNS issue can cause your download attempt to "hang" at the very beginning while the program patiently waits for the name server to give it back the IP address of the download host. Once a download starts, DNS issues shouldn't affect the download speed as the program now knows the IP address of the host. Packet loss, congestion, and other routing issues will, however, affect the actual download speed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 17, 2009, 09:35:09 PM
If your router has DHCP it should automagically get the DNS settings from your ISP, so you might look at that. (ie: turn DHCP on rather than hard setting IP address and DNS).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 18, 2009, 01:02:50 PM
I have a hard drive in a busted DVR and I'd like to get at the shows on it.  I'm assuming there are "applications" to read it but I haven't been on that side of the Internet for a while.  Ideas?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on August 18, 2009, 01:07:57 PM
If your router has DHCP it should automagically get the DNS settings from your ISP, so you might look at that. (ie: turn DHCP on rather than hard setting IP address and DNS).
Many times the ISP's DNS server is borked.  If I'm having issues I set mine to include my ISP and my work's DNS, though a public one would be fine, too.

Nix, if you use an IP address instead of a name does it work fine?  That's the easiest test to see if it is a DNS problem or not.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on August 18, 2009, 07:06:39 PM
PS3 40GB backward compatibility?  possible via emulator or anything?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on August 18, 2009, 07:54:49 PM
PS3 40GB backward compatibility?  possible via emulator or anything?

No PS2 BC at all, nor possible.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 18, 2009, 08:06:41 PM
Man, I really want one of these SSD hard drives (http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=ssd) for my boot partition but they are a bit pricey still. If anyone sees a deal for one, send it over!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 19, 2009, 12:37:53 AM
I have a hard drive in a busted DVR and I'd like to get at the shows on it.  I'm assuming there are "applications" to read it but I haven't been on that side of the Internet for a while.  Ideas?
What's the DVR? Most of the "name" ones have some sort of DRM that prevents you from playing the videos back on anything other than that type of device and you have to be a subscriber at the time (or have a lifetime sub).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 19, 2009, 09:37:09 AM
I have a hard drive in a busted DVR and I'd like to get at the shows on it.  I'm assuming there are "applications" to read it but I haven't been on that side of the Internet for a while.  Ideas?
What's the DVR? Most of the "name" ones have some sort of DRM that prevents you from playing the videos back on anything other than that type of device and you have to be a subscriber at the time (or have a lifetime sub).


I'm assuming it will not be easy.  It's a DirecTV DVR from when they worked with TiVo.  This would likely have been far easier had I needed to do this some years ago but a 2006 unit is probably locked tight.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Reg on August 19, 2009, 09:51:31 AM
Why don't you just torrent the shows?  If you're willing to bypass the DRM anyway I don't think a little torrenty piracy is much different. And it'd sure be easier than screwing around with that hard drive.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 19, 2009, 09:57:03 AM
Why don't you just torrent the shows?  If you're willing to bypass the DRM anyway I don't think a little torrenty piracy is much different. And it'd sure be easier than screwing around with that hard drive.

A fine, fine question but I'd be somewhat surprised if the shows I am looking for are on the internets.  Besides, it's a nerd challenge.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 19, 2009, 10:19:04 AM
I'm assuming it will not be easy.  It's a DirecTV DVR from when they worked with TiVo.  This would likely have been far easier had I needed to do this some years ago but a 2006 unit is probably locked tight.
If it's a Tivo box there may be a way to do it then, since there is an active Tivo hacker community out there, though it would be a lot of work. There are ways to mount the Tivo HD on a PC (I've seen guides using Linux) and some of the formats can be decrypted.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on August 22, 2009, 01:37:08 PM
Any suggestions for GPS units that are usable both in and outside of the US?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on August 22, 2009, 11:46:41 PM
Any recommendations for an external HD enclosure kit that works with a Seagate Momentus 5400.3?  Need to (try, anyway) get data off a dead laptop.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on August 22, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
Any suggestions for GPS units that are usable both in and outside of the US?

For what purpose? Getting driving directions?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on August 23, 2009, 10:00:40 AM
I wasn't aware you could use them for anything else.

I'll be moving to DC soon, and as the road system there is pretty crazy, it'd be nice to not get lost all the time. Same for when I go abroad.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on August 23, 2009, 10:42:42 AM
I wouldn't worry about them once you go overseas.  Most rental cars have them, or at least as an option.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on August 23, 2009, 12:27:20 PM
I'll be living overseas, so a rental isn't really an option.  :oh_i_see:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on August 23, 2009, 05:55:49 PM
Ah, ok.  (Very cool, btw)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on August 24, 2009, 01:24:21 AM
Any recommendations for an external HD enclosure kit that works with a Seagate Momentus 5400.3?  Need to (try, anyway) get data off a dead laptop.
You are either going to need an enclosure that has a "double" USB connector to provide extra power or one that has it's own separate power supply. A powered USB port puts out 500mA of current but the Momentus is spec'd to require 1A (1000mA) to power up so with only one USB connector it may not get sufficient power to start up.

I got this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817106099

to use with the laptop drive that used to be in my Mac Mini since it does have an external power supply (its usage is optional, you don't have to use it if your drive doesn't need the extra power) and I wasn't sure what drive was inside my Mini and I didn't want to use up 2 USB ports since the Mini has a limited number.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on August 24, 2009, 10:55:48 AM
Good deal.  Will give that one a shot. 

Thank ya, sir.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on August 25, 2009, 12:07:30 PM
I just did a fresh install of Windows Vista on a new machine and I have not used Vista before (will get Windows 7 in November for free).

Is there anything I should be aware of ?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on August 25, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
Bears.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on August 25, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Windows 7 Envy.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on August 31, 2009, 03:49:45 PM
I just did a fresh install of Windows Vista on a new machine and I have not used Vista before (will get Windows 7 in November for free).

Is there anything I should be aware of ?

In all cases that you can, I'd recommend putting your game installs in the Public folder, rather than the default places they'll want to install. This makes patching a lot easier.

Further, turn off the retarded UI that keeps popping up distressing-sounding messages about potentially questionable installs. I can't remember what the system is called, something like "UAC" I think. Whatever it is, it is stupid and needs to be shut off.

Finally, accept now that you'll be constantly annoyed, until you downgrade to WinXP or jump onto W7. I used it for almost a year before giving up on it. There's nothing about the OS that was worth the hassle.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on August 31, 2009, 04:34:27 PM
I pretty much disagree with everything Darniaq said.

Leave your games in their default installation directories.  I've never had a problem updating them and the security features stay in effect that way too.

Clicking 'OK' one time when you install something is not a hassle and gives you the piece of mind that nothing else has been installed that you are unaware of.  Leave UAC on.

Basically, not fucking up the built-in security with your own delusional short-cuts means everything will work better, keep it patched (mines automagical) and you will barely notice you aren't using XP.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on August 31, 2009, 06:16:53 PM
This is awesome. Der Helm needs to promise he'll come back in five months to see which side he falls on  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on August 31, 2009, 08:30:15 PM
This is awesome. Der Helm needs to promise he'll come back in five months to see which side he falls on  :grin:

 :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: taolurker on August 31, 2009, 09:33:33 PM
Any recommendations for an external HD enclosure kit that works with a Seagate Momentus 5400.3?  Need to (try, anyway) get data off a dead laptop.

Why bother with an enclosure?

Just get a USB adapter, it's a cheap solution to get the data, and is worthwhile to have around in case you need to wire a drive into a computer to test/access/format/copy data from drives.

Amazon kit at $12 (http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Adapter-Converter-Optical-External/dp/B001OORMVQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1251768750&sr=8-2)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on September 02, 2009, 10:20:31 AM
Quick one I never understood. Why do we buy stuff like +500watt PSU's when on full burn a generally normal desktop consumes ~210watts?

Eg: my q6600, 8800gt on full burn peaking at 207watts

Edit: 121watt idle,  +29watt full cpu load, +57watt full gpu load


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 02, 2009, 12:35:33 PM
Easier to buy a high-watt PSU than take metrics and size accordingly.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on September 02, 2009, 12:44:35 PM
It's also incredibly hard if building the system from scratch.  You'd need a power supply with too much juice to not overtax it while testing, else it'd just power off in the middle of figuring out what you need.

And if you replace components, it gives wiggle room.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 02, 2009, 12:55:52 PM
Quick one I never understood. Why do we buy stuff like +500watt PSU's when on full burn a generally normal desktop consumes ~210watts?

Eg: my q6600, 8800gt on full burn peaking at 207watts

Edit: 121watt idle,  +29watt full cpu load, +57watt full gpu load
Your CPU load power usage is off, by a lot. At full load your CPU should be drawing ~+60W (assuming it's a newer stepping) than at idle.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on September 02, 2009, 05:38:00 PM
Quick one I never understood. Why do we buy stuff like +500watt PSU's when on full burn a generally normal desktop consumes ~210watts?

Eg: my q6600, 8800gt on full burn peaking at 207watts

Edit: 121watt idle,  +29watt full cpu load, +57watt full gpu load


Need to also take in the advertising aspect, I doubt you can find a PSU advertised at 250 watts that will actually produce 250 watts once it gets hot.  I would even guess that there are PSU's advertised as 300 watt that would have problems pushing 207 watts when hot.  I also doubt that you were truly maxing your systems power draw during your test, how many HD's do you have and were they fully active at the time?  How about your DVD/CD burners? USB Devices all operating at max power consumption? 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on September 02, 2009, 07:37:37 PM
Well if say the EPA had everyone print the parts 65w and it was the true maximum we'd be good simple chart to build. Trippy its a G0 core so its 95w but honestly sitting idle at the desktop its consuming 122ish watt via the apc monitor then a full core load it peaks at 154ish watt. Speedstep is enabled but I wonder what C level it can drop to at idle. I'm curious so I'll grab a friends p3 kill-a-watt to see if they reach the same levels.

Also wondering the efficiency on this PSU what the true load would be.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 02, 2009, 08:32:40 PM
Using a bigger PSU allows it to run more efficiently when under load, since that load is only 50% or so, which is sort of where the sweet spot for efficiency is.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 02, 2009, 09:29:21 PM
Well if say the EPA had everyone print the parts 65w and it was the true maximum we'd be good simple chart to build. Trippy its a G0 core so its 95w but honestly sitting idle at the desktop its consuming 122ish watt via the apc monitor then a full core load it peaks at 154ish watt.
That's still not right. There's no way 4 cores are only generating +8 watts each at full load. Google the power consumption figures for the Q6600. You'll see that its around +50W - 70W over idle when you are running something like Prime95 or cpuburn on all 4 cores.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 02, 2009, 09:34:47 PM
Using a bigger PSU allows it to run more efficiently when under load, since that load is only 50% or so, which is sort of where the sweet spot for efficiency is.
Another thing to remember is that different components require different voltage levels. So you have to make sure your power supply has enough Amps on each of the lines but that can mean it has "surplus" power on some of the other lines depending on your component selection. E.g. if you spec your power supply for an SLI/Crossfire system you'll usually end up with lots of surplus powers on everything but the 12V line(s).

Also unless you know you never are going to upgrade any components on your system you don't want to add a power supply that's just barely big enough cause then you can't upgrade to a CPU or GPU that requires more power.

Edit: without upgrading your power supply too


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on September 03, 2009, 10:03:38 AM
Then there's those 90 days...


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 04, 2009, 11:49:56 AM
So...what would I have to do if I wanted to hook my 360 up to my PC, or at least use my monitor with my 360?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 04, 2009, 12:01:42 PM
What kind of monitor is it and what inputs does it have?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 04, 2009, 12:17:02 PM
Viewsonic VX2035wm

Using the DVI currently. Has an open port that says D-SUB (?).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 04, 2009, 12:21:56 PM
Weird labeling. I assume the DSUB is the standard VGA port, so you should be able to use that. I use it on my Samsung LCD TV. You'll have to buy the VGA cable for your Xbox though.

Oh, and see if your monitor lets you switch from DVI to VGA and back, otherwise it might pick one by default if both have a signal on them. (My dell monitor lets me switch between inputs and even have a picture-in-picture with some of them).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 04, 2009, 12:24:58 PM
So if there's an option to swap between Analog and Digital, I guess that means switch between DVI and VGA (D-SUB)?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 04, 2009, 12:26:27 PM
Yeah, that should be it.

Ninja edit: With the VGA cable you get a stereo jack that you can use to plug your Xbox into your sound card's input which will let you hear it on your desktop speakers.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 04, 2009, 12:36:57 PM
Does your Xbox 360 have HDMI output? If so you'll get the best quality by using an HDMI to DVI cable. You'll need a switch box or something to share it with your PC, though. Otherwise the VGA AV cable would work like Viin mentioned above.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 04, 2009, 01:16:03 PM
Yes, it does. Do such switchboxes exist, and if so, is there signal degradation in using one?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 04, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
I think they do, but I haven't been able to find one that's not overkill. There'd probably be some signal degradation, but prolly not enough to worry about unless it's a really crappy converter. But unless you are running a really large monitor I (personally) don't think it's worth it.  If you can find a not expensive switcher/converter it might be worth trying out, but it'd probably cost the same or more than the VGA cable for the xbox.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 04, 2009, 07:42:59 PM
Yes, it does. Do such switchboxes exist, and if so, is there signal degradation in using one?
Yes they do. For what you would want to do there are two kinds. One is full blown "KVM" switch which allows one keyboard, video unit, mouse set to be shared with multiple computers. That's more than you would need since you only need to share the monitor and not the keyboard and mouse as well. There are also HDMI switch boxes for just switching the digital video component. Since DVI and HDMI are digital, signal degradation shouldn't an issue as long as your cable runs aren't too long. With VGA KVM switches you can lose some video quality depending on the quality of the electronics in the box and the video cables you are using.

I've never actually used a HDMI switch to switch between mixed HDMI and DVI inputs/outputs but it should work since the digital video electrical signals are essentially the same, it's just the connectors that are different (for the digital video part, HDMI also carries audio). However if you also need HDCP support I don't know if these boxes can interfere with that.

Edit: since


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on September 06, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Here's a new question - is is possible to have a home network that is partly wired and partly wireless?

I have a 7-port router at home, 5 of which are permanently used (3 desktops, 360, XBMC) and 2 which are used sometimes (laptops in different rooms). I'd like to hook up a second 360 and that fucking nintendo POS (Wii) but prefer not to be running a whole lot more wires across the floor through to the living room.

I prefer to keep the 5 items that are currently wired using ethernet cables, and I need one of the extra cables for my friend's laptop that he brings to game on to avoid fucking around with wireless shit on his lappy, but I'm willing to hook up the second 360, my own lap (when I rarely bring it home from work), my wife's lap and the Wii wirelessly.

Is there any way to do this?

 :ye_gods:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 06, 2009, 11:31:41 PM
Sure, buy a wireless access point and plug it into your existing router. All devices that connect to it wirelessly will get DHCP from your router and will be able to communicate with any other device on the network.

If all you need is more ethernet ports, just buy a mini-switch such as a Netgear FS-108.

If you are in need of both more ports and wireless, a wireless router with DHCP and NAT off gets you an access point and a switch in one package.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on September 06, 2009, 11:36:15 PM
Unless you are asking for wired ports for your 360/Wii connected wirelessly to your current router? (In which case you'd need a wireless router/access point as above and then a wireless bridge for the 360/Wii).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 07, 2009, 03:47:41 AM
It might be easier just to get a new wireless router rather than a wireless access point and you'll need an Ethernet switch. That way all the network settings will be in one place rather than having to fiddle with things in two different places. Most wireless routers don't have that many RJ-45 ports (4 is a typical number) hence the need for a separate switch in your case.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on September 07, 2009, 04:23:18 AM
If I get a wireless access point, I can just connect it via RJ-45 to my existing D-Link router and everything wireless connected to it will work without a ton of dicking around? And I can secure it?

I don't get you on the switch thing?

Actually, I don't get the wireless bridge thing either.


Sorry, I just don't fully understand this kind of networking stuff. I'm pretty much just used to plug and play with ethernet, except now I have more devices than plugs, and an aversion to having 4 cables snaking across the livingroom floor.

This is also in anticipation of getting a PS3 in the next couple of months as well, and wanting to network that as well.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 07, 2009, 04:44:25 AM
If I get a wireless access point, I can just connect it via RJ-45 to my existing D-Link router and everything wireless connected to it will work without a ton of dicking around?
Yes you just connect it to a RJ-45 port. I've never configured a separate wireless access point (one not part of the router) before but it shouldn't be hard.

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And I can secure it?
Yes as long as it supports MAC address whitelists and WPA2 (do not use WPA-TKIP) though wireless is still not as secure as a wired connection.

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I don't get you on the switch thing?
Wireless routers typically only have 4 or less RJ-45 ports. You have at least 5 wired devices. So you need a switch to provide the extra ports if you went with the single wireless router option I described above.

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Actually, I don't get the wireless bridge thing either.
Think of a bridge as a really dumb router that only knows how to forward packets to one place: the router it's connected to. You could setup multiple routers on your network (as full routers) but that's an unneeded complexity if you only need one LAN network.

Edit: this is also why I suggested a single wireless router (+switch) solution rather than having router and a bridge. Things are easier to configure and understand that way.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on September 07, 2009, 06:54:08 AM
OK that makes it simpler.

And I can secure it?
Yes as long as it supports MAC address whitelists and WPA2 (do not use WPA-TKIP) though wireless is still not as secure as a wired connection.

I do not understand the first part. Any specific tips to keep the network as secure as possible?


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Wireless routers typically only have 4 or less RJ-45 ports. You have at least 5 wired devices. So you need a switch to provide the extra ports if you went with the single wireless router option I described above.

But the switch doesn't literally mean a switch that's toggled. It's a term, like "router", correct?


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Think of a bridge as a really dumb router that only knows how to forward packets to one place: the router it's connected to. You could setup multiple routers on your network (as full routers) but that's an unneeded complexity if you only need one LAN network.

Edit: this is also why I suggested a single wireless router (+switch) solution rather than having router and a bridge. Things are easier to configure and understand that way.

I get you there, I just don't want to bin my existing router which has worked without a hitch. I just want to "add on" some wirelessness. Come to think of it. I actually want to keep 6 devices wired. 3 desktops, 360, XBMC and a wire for my mate's laptop



Actually - Option B - Staying Wired?
Is it possible to, say, unplug the RJ45 cable that links my 360 to my router on the 360's side and plug in a switch/router/magic box in the home entertainment unit, and then run a bunch of short RJ-45 cables to the second 360/PS3/Wii/etc?

So one end in the router, one end in a "hub"(switch/whatever), and the consoles all connected to the "hub".

Would the consoles all still have their own network identities and work online/offline together? I'm wanting to set up my second 360 as a machine for my wife on the second TV in the lounge, so we can play system-link co-op games via LAN, or even via XBL.

If you could let me know what I actually would need to buy for the wireless option, and/or the wired option (if it is actually doable). I'd probably prefer the wired option, actually.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/default.php?cPath=67_103


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 07, 2009, 08:12:19 AM
And I can secure it?
Yes as long as it supports MAC address whitelists and WPA2 (do not use WPA-TKIP) though wireless is still not as secure as a wired connection.
I do not understand the first part. Any specific tips to keep the network as secure as possible?
Every Ethernet adapter has a global unique identifier -- its MAC address. By entering the MAC addresses of your devices into a "white list" on the wireless bridge/router only those MAC addresses will be able to connect. Note that you can "spoof" MAC addresses so this isn't a guarantee to lock out non-authorized devices from using your wireless connection.

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Wireless routers typically only have 4 or less RJ-45 ports. You have at least 5 wired devices. So you need a switch to provide the extra ports if you went with the single wireless router option I described above.
But the switch doesn't literally mean a switch that's toggled. It's a term, like "router", correct?
It's more like an old fashioned telephone switchboard than a toggle but toggle works as well depending on how you define the word but none of that is important really (though I end up explaining below). Just think of it as box you can use to increase the number of RJ-45 ports you can use to connect things to your router with.

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Actually - Option B - Staying Wired?
Is it possible to, say, unplug the RJ45 cable that links my 360 to my router on the 360's side and plug in a switch/router/magic box in the home entertainment unit, and then run a bunch of short RJ-45 cables to the second 360/PS3/Wii/etc?

So one end in the router, one end in a "hub"(switch/whatever), and the consoles all connected to the "hub".
In technical terms a hub is different than a switch. A hub broadcasts all packets going through the hub to all ports on the hub. A switch only sends the packets addressed to a particular device on a port to that port (hence the telephone switchboard metaphor). Unless you happen to need to do some packet sniffing on a separate box you'll want to get a switch instead of a hub for performance reasons.

If you've run out of RJ-45 ports on your router and every device you want to hook up to it is within reasonable cable length then yes all you have to do is get an Ethernet switch, plug a cable between it and the router and then plug whatever extra devices you want into the switch. I'd recommend getting a Gigabit Ethernet switch if you can afford it if you have more than one device that uses Gigabit Ethernet just for the performance boost. Note, though, that if your router's Ethernet ports aren't Gigabit Ethernet you'll need to move all your Gigabit Ethernet devices onto the Gigabit switch. The non-Gigabit devices can stay on the router or you can move them to the switch, the switch doesn't care (you can mix speeds on it).

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Would the consoles all still have their own network identities and work online/offline together? I'm wanting to set up my second 360 as a machine for my wife on the second TV in the lounge, so we can play system-link co-op games via LAN, or even via XBL.
Adding a switch is conceptually just like adding additional Ethernet ports onto your router (ignoring the Gigabit Ethernet part of things). You don't need to configure the switch or anything, it just works.

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If you could let me know what I actually would need to buy for the wireless option, and/or the wired option (if it is actually doable). I'd probably prefer the wired option, actually.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/default.php?cPath=67_103
If you don't have any Gigabit Ethernet devices these would work fine for a pure wired solution:

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=67_103&products_id=14504
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=67_103&products_id=14619

You can drop down the 5 port models if you only need 3 extra ports.

If you do have more than one thing with Gigabit Ethernet you'll want something like these:

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=67_103&products_id=14562
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=67_103&products_id=14606

or the 8-port model if you need more than 3 extra ports.

To figure out how many ports you need on your switch you count of the wired devices you want to connect. Then you count the ports on your router. If the router has fewer ports than you need then the formula is:

Total devices to connect wired <= (Ports on router - 1) + (Ports on switch - 1)

Connecting a switch to your router uses up a port on each device, hence the "-1"s. E.g. if your router has 4 ports and the switch has 5 ports then you can connect a total of 7 devices. An 8-port switch would allow up to 10 devices (4 + 8 - 2).


If you wanted to go wireless I would need to know if you have any Wireless-N devices before I could recommend something from that site.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 07, 2009, 10:42:14 AM
If you wanted to connect the Wii with a wire, you would need to buy a USB ethernet adapter. Of course, unless you already have the XBox wireless adaptor, you would need to buy that to connect the XBox wirelessly. You can run ethernet wiring pretty much any distance in a typical home as the maximum segment length is 100meters. I have never heard of anyone using one of those USB-ethernet adapters for the Wii, but every customer I have dealt with who has an X-Box connected to our networks wirelessly has had problems. The 360 wireless adapter is about 3x the price of those Wii adapters too.

If you are looking for wireless anyway, but want wired to all the contraptions on your entertainment center, I would probably run one cable along the walls (you can buy cable by the foot from many places, in a variety of colors and either put ends on yourself, or take it into a computer store and they can probably do it for you for a couple bucks) and buy a wireless router to put on the entertainment center. Then I would turn all the routing functions off on it if you are liking your existing router.

I think Trippy and I could both probably come up with half a dozen elegant solutions to your problem. I think we probably need to know more of how much you want to spend to get a better idea.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on September 08, 2009, 03:16:06 AM
Prerferring at this point to not spend too much money -
The house is a rental, and the computers and router are on a diagonal to the area in the living room where the TV and consoles are. We've got one cable and that's managable, I just want to avoid multiples, so having a switch over at the home entertainment unit is the best solution at this stage. My concern with a switch was that it would be like trying to share one of the router's ip addresses into several devices, but if as Trippy says it's just like adding more ports, than that it the ideal solution for the time being (until we move).

I think I'll stick with my 7-port router and just buy the 8-point switch and keep it over near the consoles. Buy the ethernet adaptor for the Wii and be done with it (I'd either have to wireless the 360 or wire the Wii) until I'm setting up my new house. At that point I can look at Gigabit Ethernet stuff - this PC I am typing on has it, not sure about the wife's PC, but we'll buy a new PC shortly afer we move anyway and so just get a gigabit router then.

Once we've got the new house, it'll be time to start cabling up the walls and everything in sight.  :grin: :drill:

I assume none of the 360/ps3/wii use Gigabit?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 08, 2009, 05:08:54 AM
The PS3, as has been the case, has the better hardware and does in fact have Gigabit Ethernet. The Xbox 360 only has Fast Ethernet (100 Mbps) and the Wii's USB Ethernet Adapter is also Fast Ethernet (USB 2.0 isn't fast enough to support Gigabit Ethernet, 480 Mbps is the limit of USB 2.0).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 08, 2009, 09:01:47 AM
TKIP has a lot of problems or is just not as good as WPA2?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 08, 2009, 09:09:03 AM
WPA/TKIP can supposedly be cracked in less than a minute (http://jwis2009.nsysu.edu.tw/location/paper/A%20Practical%20Message%20Falsification%20Attack%20on%20WPA.pdf) now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 08, 2009, 09:31:33 AM
Sigh.  Thanks for the link.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on September 08, 2009, 11:10:29 AM
WPA/TKIP can supposedly be cracked in less than a minute (http://jwis2009.nsysu.edu.tw/location/paper/A%20Practical%20Message%20Falsification%20Attack%20on%20WPA.pdf) now.

I'm not sure if I'm reading that right but it appears to me that the proposed attack requires that the client be out of range of the access point or otherwise cutoff from the access point.

If you're just worried about your home network it doesn't look to me like a credible threat but if it's just a matter of clicking WPA2 (or WPA + AES) on the router config then why not just do that?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 08, 2009, 01:44:29 PM
I don't think all of my devices can do WPA2 or AES, I just know TKIP works and I can remember the password I set.  Not that I'm worried too much, really: if someone is close enough to my house to tap my wireless network, I'll be able to see him.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on September 08, 2009, 03:21:54 PM
From looking around a little more it appears that if you set your key renewal time for TKIP to 120 seconds it pretty much foils this particular attack.

I don't know how much that will affect connection quality but it seems like a reasonable stopgap for a home network until you get a chance to upgrade.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on September 08, 2009, 06:52:52 PM
The researchers of that paper are going to present a practical example of that attack at a conference at the end of September. We'll know more about how you would actually do it "in the wild" then.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on September 09, 2009, 03:25:06 AM
Thanks guys, got my wife to pick up a switch and some more patch cables on her way home. Fun weekend of wiring coming soon!



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 13, 2009, 01:16:07 PM
Really weird one.

Just moved into my new place. Internet connection seems to work fine, but Steam games are having a fit:

World in Conflict just will not launch
TF2 has a hell of a time actually connecting to a server, and when it did, it locked up in less than a hour.
Left 4 Dead will connect, and immediately time out.


No idea what the problem is. Could it be a port block-type of problem? Pings seem to be fine.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 13, 2009, 03:02:20 PM
Who is your ISP/what type of service?



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 13, 2009, 05:51:26 PM
That's a good question. I'll have to ask building management after I fool around with this some more.

I just hope it doesn't bring on unwanted questions.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on September 14, 2009, 07:48:07 AM
I just hope it doesn't bring on unwanted questions.
I'm wondering, if perhaps, you could be more needlessly paranoid.

What, pray tell, could be an "unwanted question?"



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 14, 2009, 09:56:41 AM
What, pray tell, could be an "unwanted question?"

"WHERE'S MAH RENT?"


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on September 14, 2009, 10:23:51 AM
More like, "Do you actually pay have an account with the ISP?"

Cause, you know, it doesn't sound like it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 14, 2009, 06:09:57 PM
Comes with the room.

I just don't want to explain what I am doing with the connection.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 14, 2009, 06:51:09 PM
If it comes with the rent, and the property does not support it themselves, your ISP will have its own policies about how to deal with "what you do." If it is just playing video games, no one at the ISPs (well, except the upper management if you are AT&T) cares, they may ask you what games you are playing to make sure it isn't being mis-categorized in QoS, but other than that they could care less if it is not detrimental to their network as a whole. Generate a ton of traffic which fucks with the stability of their network, and they will probably shut you down without warning.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on September 14, 2009, 10:12:49 PM
Oddly enough, I get home today, and all problems are resolved.  :grin:

Weird.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on September 15, 2009, 04:46:06 PM
Comes with the room.

I just don't want to explain what I am doing with the connection.

Put shoe on head!  :why_so_serious:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: RUiN 427 on September 16, 2009, 07:56:06 PM
Thinking about getting a second 360 for another room in my house, for convenience reasons. Wondering if anyone has any experience with xbox live "account roaming" with a memory unit. Looking for an effortless solution for when the lady wants to watch her shows on the big tv and I want to play some games. The information i have found elsewhere is pretty vague. Any help would be appreciated.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on September 16, 2009, 07:58:35 PM
Comes with the room.

I just don't want to explain what I am doing with the connection.
Paranoia Paranoia everybody's coming to get me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on September 17, 2009, 12:23:24 AM
Thinking about getting a second 360 for another room in my house, for convenience reasons. Wondering if anyone has any experience with xbox live "account roaming" with a memory unit. Looking for an effortless solution for when the lady wants to watch her shows on the big tv and I want to play some games. The information i have found elsewhere is pretty vague. Any help would be appreciated.

I now have 2 360s set up, but I'm not sure what you're asking exactly?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on September 17, 2009, 11:45:23 AM
Comes with the room.

I just don't want to explain what I am doing with the connection.
:hello_thar: :hello_kitty_2:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on September 17, 2009, 12:46:34 PM
Thinking about getting a second 360 for another room in my house, for convenience reasons. Wondering if anyone has any experience with xbox live "account roaming" with a memory unit. Looking for an effortless solution for when the lady wants to watch her shows on the big tv and I want to play some games. The information i have found elsewhere is pretty vague. Any help would be appreciated.

If you are just trying to log in with your XBOX Live account then, you can just do that.  It will be stored on the HDD and you can log in with it whenever you want.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: RUiN 427 on September 17, 2009, 01:12:58 PM
Thinking about getting a second 360 for another room in my house, for convenience reasons. Wondering if anyone has any experience with xbox live "account roaming" with a memory unit. Looking for an effortless solution for when the lady wants to watch her shows on the big tv and I want to play some games. The information i have found elsewhere is pretty vague. Any help would be appreciated.

If you are just trying to log in with your XBOX Live account then, you can just do that.  It will be stored on the HDD and you can log in with it whenever you want.

and just use an MU for the game saves and stuff?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on September 17, 2009, 01:15:55 PM
Assuming it lets you copy the saves.  Some are bound to be set to not allow copying.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Jobu on September 18, 2009, 05:41:14 PM
I'm starting to evaluate building a new computer for the wife. Her biggest issue is all the third party cases are all ugly (I generally agree). She likes the candy colored Inspirons you can buy at Dell, but that stuff is a few generations behind (hence the custom build idea).

I found this case (http://www.atxcases.com/Cases/images/100/kitty/kitty-03.jpg) online but it's not actually for sale anywhere. The website I linked is horribly outdated, but she instantly fell in love with it. Anyone got any links or ideas on where to find equally "cute" cases?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on September 18, 2009, 05:59:46 PM
You sure that's a model and not a CAD rendering? I'm a few years out of practice, but there are things about that image that remind me of the kind of product renderings I used to pump out.

Not that this answers your need of course. Just curious :-)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Jobu on September 18, 2009, 06:05:21 PM
You sure that's a model and not a CAD rendering? I'm a few years out of practice, but there are things about that image that remind me of the kind of product renderings I used to pump out.

Not that this answers your need of course. Just curious :-)

Pretty sure.

Inside Guts (http://www.atxcases.com/Cases/images/100/kitty/kitty-04.jpg)
Also a Doggy variant (http://nuxx.net/gallery/v/computers/newcomputer/doggie/). It looks like they were all made back in the P4 era.

But really, it's very hard to find cases that aren't marketed to the piano-finished-black-high-end-A/V crowd, or the oversized-silk-anime-flame-shirt crowd.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Venkman on September 18, 2009, 06:12:04 PM
Ok, I'm officially old.  :awesome_for_real:

I like your demographics titles though :-)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on September 18, 2009, 09:43:54 PM
reminds me of the old crappy compaq presario cases.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on September 21, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
Anyone have a working link to the Razer DeathAdder drivers from any webpage?  The official site is SHIT, and the downloads page is down.  Vista64 version.  I've searched everywhere and my googlefu is failing.

Nevermind.  Got it working. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on September 24, 2009, 09:23:38 AM
Edit: Found the drivers

Next question. Are there possible software reasons why my LAN - Connection displays "no cable connected" ?

This is my motherboad (http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4Core1600Twins-P35&s=n) , I am trying to use the onboard LAN because I just got a new fibre optic cable connection installed.

edit: onboard LAN is enabled  :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chimpy on September 26, 2009, 12:32:39 PM
No cable connected means there is no electrical link (or optical in the case of fiber) to the other side.

Make sure the device you are plugging into is working. It may be that your NIC or the port it is plugged into is fried and the port does not work.

Occasionally, it can be a driver issue, but that is very rare. A "media state disconnected" issue is no link at all. Limited or no connection would mean that you get a link but you are unable to pull an address for some reason.

If you are plugging into a home router or a switch, try rebooting the device/trying another port/another cable. If it is plugging directly into whatever fiber-converter you were supplied, you might want to power cycle that as well.





Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Der Helm on September 28, 2009, 02:07:32 PM
Fixed, after trying sever cable I decided to look for even more new drivers and found them. Works like a charm now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on September 29, 2009, 01:06:22 PM
In the last few days, my FHD2400 has been exhibiting some strange behavior.  I notice it on black backgrounds the most.  If I were to type something, then backspace a few spots to correct a typo or erase what I wrong, I'd get dots where I backspaced over.  So, 'backspace' would like like 'back.....'.

Bad graphics card or monitor trying to take a crap?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on September 29, 2009, 03:48:53 PM
I would lean towards graphics card, but cannot say for certain.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SnakeCharmer on October 02, 2009, 01:25:09 PM
Awesome.

Speaking of video cards, anyone have an idea when the Nvidia DX11 cards are coming out?  Not looking to buy a DX11 card yet, but just trying to get a ballpark idea when the current high end cards will drop in price.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 02, 2009, 01:29:30 PM
Speaking of video cards, anyone have an idea when the Nvidia DX11 cards are coming out?  Not looking to buy a DX11 card yet, but just trying to get a ballpark idea when the current high end cards will drop in price.
Supposedly this December.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on October 11, 2009, 08:38:13 PM
Anyone have a lead on a quick and dirty way to convert ogg vorbis files into something usable on an ipod?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 11, 2009, 08:56:53 PM
If you are using iTunes you can install the Ogg/Xiph QuickTime component and then iTunes can convert the files to AAC/MP4 format.

http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/download.html


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on October 12, 2009, 07:31:23 PM
Good stuff, now I just have to figure out how to clean up the mess iTunes makes.  :grin:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on October 20, 2009, 08:35:07 AM
I think(don't have the cash yet) I sold my current desktop system q6600/8800gt for a tidy little sum, now mulling over on what to do. Wait to see Nvidia's new products change the video card market pricing. Or more disturbingly wait till late q1 2010 to see the 32nm i5's (http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/Intel-039-s-Upcoming-Core-i3-i5-i7-Lineup-Unveiled-3.jpg). I have a e2180 + nvidia 8something crap that can tide me over so in no big rush and only borderlands I want to play soon which i doubt will be demanding.

So wait?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 20, 2009, 08:42:21 AM
What?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on October 20, 2009, 08:46:34 AM
What?

Looking for recommendation, buy an i5-750/ATI HD5570 or wait?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 20, 2009, 08:52:23 AM
You answered your own question. There will always be something better/cheaper/faster if you wait. If what you have now works fine then there's no reason to get something new now unless you have to spend the money now, for some reason.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Jimbo on October 20, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
Got mad as hell at my LINKSYS WAP54G, it went belly up after a 1 year, then the replacement went bad after 3 months, so I dug out my old Linksys wired router and got some cable and drilled some holes and was back surfing the net again.  It is only a 10/100, is the D-Link (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127060) or Cisco (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124091) 10/100/1000 worth getting?  I have a decent cable speed and I have the 10/100/1000 on my motherboards.  Plus I found a good price on Cat 6 cable that I'll install when it gets here (and finish up with the cable covers & paint them to match the walls I think), so I don't mind spending the extra money for a decent wired router anyway.  The D-Link is cheaper and seems to be more popular and I really would like a break from Linksys/Cisco products I think.

Oh yeah, I'm sure I made 2 of my neighbors made, the little bastards were stealing my connection and I hadn't noticed till about a week ago...the whole damn linksys security system was nuty to set up anyway...so glad I'm back on wired route.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 20, 2009, 07:12:21 PM
If you are transferring large files (as in gigabytes) between two computers Gigabit Ethernet makes a huge difference. If that's your only computer or you only transfer documents and stuff Fast Ethernet is plenty.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on October 21, 2009, 09:39:38 AM
More importantly it isn't going to make the internet any faster.  If you are streaming within your home network it might be nice to have.  Also a wired connection has less overhead and a much larger portion of the bandwidth will be used for your data, so your 100mbit wired will probably be a noticeable improvement over the 54g you were using.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on October 23, 2009, 01:09:57 PM
Hey Trippy, what do you think of this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162026) router?  I've been thinking of upgrading to wireless N for a while and I want to get 2 of these and use one as a bridge in the living room for the Xbox 360, and laptops and the other in the home office with the cable modem.

Do you see an obvious issue that I am missing?  I.e. why the $35 price tag?

Edit: beaten by bbcode :(


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on October 23, 2009, 03:11:03 PM
According to one review you'll have to wire the two together to get the 2nd one to act as a bridge. That may not be what you are trying to do. I don't know anything about how good Buffalo's wireless products are.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on October 23, 2009, 08:49:47 PM
I was hoping the DD-WRT firmware would fix that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 23, 2009, 10:27:27 PM
I am pretty sure dd-wrt can do that but I haven't looked into it.
(http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/85916/ddwrt1.png)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: fuser on October 25, 2009, 01:35:24 PM
I was hoping the DD-WRT firmware would fix that.

DD-WRT is unstable (http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58949) for it at best at the moment. The client bridge mode (ie wifi client bridging same subnets) only seen work on WRT-54's. On a WRT160N on client mode is accessible but you use the "bridge" part so you have to use a different subnet.

The WRT-320N (http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=58566) is highly experimental but looks like a final replacement for my wrt54gl's.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on October 26, 2009, 12:47:37 PM
Ick.  I'll wait on that. :awesome_for_real:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on October 30, 2009, 03:26:56 PM
Storage questions:

I'm organizing 10 years of digital photos.  I'm thinking about getting an external HDD to store them all on.  The goal would be to make the drive read-only so it can be used on any PC in the house but it should also be good enough equipment that it will last a long time. 

Any other ideas for this come to mind?  What about HDD brands on externals?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on October 30, 2009, 06:44:04 PM
how much space is it taking up?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on October 30, 2009, 10:47:08 PM
It's growing almost exponentially.  It's only 15gig now, but easily 10 of that has been in the last year since we dropped $1000 on a new digital SLR. 

I suppose if I need to I can just burn the stuff down to CDs/DVDs, but I was hoping for an all in one solution. 


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on October 30, 2009, 11:40:06 PM
It's growing almost exponentially.  It's only 15gig now, but easily 10 of that has been in the last year since we dropped $1000 on a new digital SLR. 

I suppose if I need to I can just burn the stuff down to CDs/DVDs, but I was hoping for an all in one solution. 

I was going to suggest getting a blu-ray burner.  Not sure why you want it to be read only.  Have you considered a NAS device.  I think Buffalo has 500mb & 1gb solutions targeted at the home user for a few hundred $$.  You will still need to back whatever you do up though.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Hawkbit on October 31, 2009, 11:54:06 AM
Yeah, I'm guessing CD/DVD is going to be the way to go then.  Since my wife and kid have access to the discs I wanted a read only option so they can't go jacking up the masters.  Best way is with CD/DVD-r I suppose. 

Thanks for the advice.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Azazel on October 31, 2009, 08:04:00 PM
Probably building a new PC in a month-ish.

Should I go with XP, or Win7? (XP would be free and totally legit, Win7 would be an extra couple of hundred bucks).


What's Win7's compatability like with games/older games? Any issues?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on November 02, 2009, 09:18:14 AM
Nebu, hard drives are cheap, you should just get a big external and dump it on there. Then burn it to optical for longer-term storage. Depending on the importance, don't forget you may want an off-site backup (in a lockbox or at a relative's or whatever). I've been using WDs lately, black for performance, green for low-power. The new black chassis elements drives are sleek and cool-looking, we just got a pair of TB externals for digitized documents.

Az, I love Win7 so far. You can get home premium for $107 from the egg, OEM version (tied to that machine). I've yet to find a problem with it, running LotRO, EQ2, Torchlight Demo and Borderlands. It actually fixed a persistent crash issue in EQ2 for me!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on November 02, 2009, 12:10:46 PM
anyone have experience with SVN?  I'm thinking of getting an external drive to host a repository.  Would that work or does one really need a separate box?  I don't really need access outside my LAN.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 02, 2009, 12:51:12 PM
Why do you need a drive just for SVN?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Soln on November 02, 2009, 10:05:13 PM
ultimately just for safety -- I'd like a dedicated platter and an other backup platter.  From experience, sadly.  And my other internal drives are already full'ish.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 02, 2009, 10:07:14 PM
It'd be pretty easy to setup an SVN repository on your local drive and have it backed up to .. anything really. Dropbox, iDisk, another HD, whatever. Just do a normal automated backup routine.

You could also use a 3rd party SVN provider such as www.unfuddle.com - you can get a free account if you don't need a lot of room and only 2 accounts to access the SVN.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 03, 2009, 08:42:10 AM
Anyone know of a quick wee application that can count amounts of files in a structure ?

I'm looking for a count of xls files on a server.  Windows is shite for that kinda thing (unless you know different...)



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 03, 2009, 09:39:17 AM
Try http://windirstat.info I believe it will analyse useage by file type.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 03, 2009, 09:40:56 AM
Can't you just search by *.xls in the normal Windows search window and view the number of files in the status bar when it's done?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 03, 2009, 10:01:09 AM
Finance firm.  I have over a quarter of a million files.

So, no.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on November 03, 2009, 10:16:24 AM
Anyone know of a quick wee application that can count amounts of files in a structure ?

I'm looking for a count of xls files on a server.  Windows is shite for that kinda thing (unless you know different...)



dir /b /s *.xls > xlscount.txt

will give you a list of all the files (and their path, one to a line) in a file called xlscount.txt

Windows doesn't have a 'wc' command otherwise counting would be trivial however then you can do something like

find /c ".xls" xlscount.txt

which will count all the lines that have .xls in it in the file xlscount.txt and display that on the screen

In my case from where I launched the search the output I got was

-------- XLSCOUNT.TXT: 133

which seems right.

YMMV, free internet help and all.

edit: in UNIX you would do:

\>find . -name "*.xls" -print | wc -l


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 03, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
Try http://windirstat.info I believe it will analyse useage by file type.

Fucking lovely.

Cheers mate.

Thanks also to the other advisors.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 04, 2009, 12:53:03 AM
glad to be of service!


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 08, 2009, 01:27:22 PM
Anyone know if current motherboards can handle two PCI-E video cards that aren't SLIed/CrossFired together?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Ironwood on November 09, 2009, 07:15:20 AM
Sorry to jump in, I have another question.

Company has a lot of Word Documents with a particular logo and brand (I mean a lot of Word documents.)

Lo and behold, new images and footers and wee fiddly bits are needed as part of the rebrand.

How the hell does one make sure that the old letters have the new style ?  If it was in Powerpoint, I could apply a style globablly to a master, but in Word it seems NOT TO BE THERE.

Help me.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SurfD on November 09, 2009, 08:59:08 AM
New quick question:

From what i can see, windows 7 will give you the option to install either a 32 or 64 bit version of the OS off of one Product Key.  Does anyone know if Windows XP was the same way?

I have an XP Pro product key, and my current system is 32 bit.  Getting a new PC very soon, and would like to know if I can just download a 64 bit XP install disk and switch to 64 bit when the new machine is ready.  Or would i need a 64 bit specific Product key for that?

Yeah, i know, I should go Win 7, but I cant justify spending 200 to 300 bucks on a retail install package for that just yet, and I will probably have the machine ready to go before i can get around to trying to score a copy of Win 7 through one of my colledge buddies and a student discount.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Kageh on November 09, 2009, 09:03:58 AM
Anyone know if current motherboards can handle two PCI-E video cards that aren't SLIed/CrossFired together?

Depends on what you want to do with them. I think it is possible to use an Nvidia something for PhysX in addition to a regular video card, on most motherboards with two PCI-E slots. I can't think of other scenarios aside from SLI/Crossfire or that.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 09, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
Anyone know if current motherboards can handle two PCI-E video cards that aren't SLIed/CrossFired together?

Depends on what you want to do with them. I think it is possible to use an Nvidia something for PhysX in addition to a regular video card, on most motherboards with two PCI-E slots. I can't think of other scenarios aside from SLI/Crossfire or that.
probably wants to run 4 monitors

New quick question:

From what i can see, windows 7 will give you the option to install either a 32 or 64 bit version of the OS off of one Product Key.  Does anyone know if Windows XP was the same way?

I have an XP Pro product key, and my current system is 32 bit.  Getting a new PC very soon, and would like to know if I can just download a 64 bit XP install disk and switch to 64 bit when the new machine is ready.  Or would i need a 64 bit specific Product key for that?

Yeah, i know, I should go Win 7, but I cant justify spending 200 to 300 bucks on a retail install package for that just yet, and I will probably have the machine ready to go before i can get around to trying to score a copy of Win 7 through one of my colledge buddies and a student discount.
I seem to recall Microsoft offering a 1 way/1 time trade to upgrade your 32bit XP Pro for 64bit XP Pro, but it has been awhile so I may be remembering that wrong.  Either way XP 64 bit is a really really bad OS, if you are planning on using it as your main workstation you should probably stick with XP 32 bit.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on November 09, 2009, 12:53:18 PM
Anyone know if current motherboards can handle two PCI-E video cards that aren't SLIed/CrossFired together?

Depends on what you want to do with them. I think it is possible to use an Nvidia something for PhysX in addition to a regular video card, on most motherboards with two PCI-E slots. I can't think of other scenarios aside from SLI/Crossfire or that.
probably wants to run 4 monitors

Just 2. Figured I could put my aux monitor on my second (crappier) Nvidia card, with my primary card dedicated to my primary display for games. But if that doesn't work I may try the PhysX dedicated card, as that sounds interesting as well (though I donno if my crappier Nvidia card supports PhysX).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: SurfD on November 09, 2009, 05:58:40 PM
I seem to recall Microsoft offering a 1 way/1 time trade to upgrade your 32bit XP Pro for 64bit XP Pro, but it has been awhile so I may be remembering that wrong.  Either way XP 64 bit is a really really bad OS, if you are planning on using it as your main workstation you should probably stick with XP 32 bit.
Well, thing is, my new machine will have 6 gigs of ram (tripple channel memory), and i would like to take advantage of all of it.  If i did stick with XP 32 bit, is it going to be unstable trying to deal with more memory then it can properly access, or will it just ignore the extra ram it can't use?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 09, 2009, 08:19:18 PM
I seem to recall Microsoft offering a 1 way/1 time trade to upgrade your 32bit XP Pro for 64bit XP Pro, but it has been awhile so I may be remembering that wrong.  Either way XP 64 bit is a really really bad OS, if you are planning on using it as your main workstation you should probably stick with XP 32 bit.
Well, thing is, my new machine will have 6 gigs of ram (tripple channel memory), and i would like to take advantage of all of it.  If i did stick with XP 32 bit, is it going to be unstable trying to deal with more memory then it can properly access, or will it just ignore the extra ram it can't use?

It just ignores it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: lamaros on November 10, 2009, 02:03:24 AM
Nevermind I'm an idiot.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Redgiant on November 11, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
I seem to recall Microsoft offering a 1 way/1 time trade to upgrade your 32bit XP Pro for 64bit XP Pro, but it has been awhile so I may be remembering that wrong.  Either way XP 64 bit is a really really bad OS, if you are planning on using it as your main workstation you should probably stick with XP 32 bit.
Well, thing is, my new machine will have 6 gigs of ram (tripple channel memory), and i would like to take advantage of all of it.  If i did stick with XP 32 bit, is it going to be unstable trying to deal with more memory then it can properly access, or will it just ignore the extra ram it can't use?

It just ignores it.

"Go directly to Win7. Do not pass XP64 or Vista, do not collect lose $200."

That is how you use your 6 Gb.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 15, 2009, 07:13:34 PM
Phew, what a way to spend a Sunday. A corrupted bios can lead to all sorts of fun methodic hardware testing! Fun for you and your ulcer!

Long story short, in the process of switching out CPUs to test -that- element, I broke the small little connector pin on one of the 4 push-insert-snap-on thingies on my CPU cooler. I'm going to have to replace the whole danged thing, since I can't see an easy way of replacing the pin 'element'.

So, anyone have a suggestion for an aftermarket LGA 755 socket CPU cooler? I don't OC, but the current one in there, the factory cooler, isn't all that great.

My preference is to not have to remove the MOBO to install it. I know, this means I'm stuck with the dreadely awful intel push-pin mechanism, but I'll live till I upgrade to another system.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 16, 2009, 11:03:05 AM
Honestly, I found yanking the motherboard to get a permanent fan mount was worth never having to deal with a push pin again.  Whomever designed them is sponsored by all that is Evil and Unholy.

Thirty minutes of futzing only to have the damn fan pop off within the week?  No thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 16, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
Ok, assuming I'm willing to cave and unscrew the mobo to do this, what CPU fan do you recommend? I've been out of the loop in this dept for 2 years.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 16, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
I have a Xigmatek fan (push-pin out of the box so I had to get a mounting bracket from them as well).  It's worked well and is quiet.  I don't know much about fans though, so I can't say which would be the best brand overall.

Whatever you get, make sure a mounting bracket is included or available.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 16, 2009, 03:44:33 PM
Hah, that's the cooler I have. The pushpin broke. So you can order the bracket mount? Did you get it from newegg?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 16, 2009, 05:49:38 PM
Hah, that's the cooler I have. The pushpin broke. So you can order the bracket mount? Did you get it from newegg?
Yes, both were from Newegg.  Make sure you get the correct type though.  Some match the 4-pipe mounts and some the 3-pipe.  I had to search a bit to find the one for mine as they had it categorized incorrectly at the time.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 21, 2009, 01:29:31 PM
Well, I took your advice, Lanty. I got the right bracket (thanks for the heads up on the 3 vs 4 pipe) and I just got done installing the bish. Sure enough, as mentioned, the factory cooler push-pin mount had indeed popped out on one corner. I had temps verging on nearly 70 degrees running prime95. Crezy hot. The factory fan was throttling up to 2000 rpm to keep it down.

Now, I've run prime95 under the Xigmatek, screw mounted. With an ambient temp of 36, the fan throttles from a low of 1000 to 1200 under full load, with temps staying at 50 under continuous full load, idling at 38. In other words, a vast improvement (granted, with the borky pushpin coming out, even the factory cooler couldn't do its job).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: lac on November 21, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
Do I need cooling on a 10k rpm disk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=494)?
I run ashampoo hdd control to keep an eye on the health of my disks and it tells me 42 C is too hot. My data disk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=610) runs at 38 and apparently that's cool enough for the software.
I'm asking because I remember seeing those velociraptors packed in a 3.5 tray heatsink. Mine is a naked 2.5 suspended in a 3.5 slot with elastic bands to reduce noise.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 21, 2009, 10:58:37 PM
Now, I've run prime95 under the Xigmatek, screw mounted. With an ambient temp of 36, the fan throttles from a low of 1000 to 1200 under full load, with temps staying at 50 under continuous full load, idling at 38. In other words, a vast improvement (granted, with the borky pushpin coming out, even the factory cooler couldn't do its job).
I'm glad it's working so well for you.

Do I need cooling on a 10k rpm disk (http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=494)?
lac, if it's a 4 degree difference then it sounds like it's just where the program is set to warn.  If you can fit it and you have a concern though, then sure, why not?  $20 for a reusable cooler which might save you HD degredation is probably worth it.  That's why I bought two heat-pipe HD coolers.  (Unfortunately they are not compatible with my current case, so I'm not using them.)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on November 22, 2009, 07:35:45 AM
Well, I know through experience that some HDD's will shut themselves off at 180F.  Interpret that how you want.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on November 22, 2009, 11:03:05 AM
This is a bit ma-and-pa, but my first instinct is to attatch a bunch of VGA heatsinks like these (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835708008). Just siphoning off the heat onto the cooling fins might be enough to keep the disk safe.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: lac on November 23, 2009, 02:50:35 AM
It seems that when the disk came out, people would remove the drive from it's cooling tray and suspend it to reduce noise. After a while Wester Digital started selling the drives without cooling tray so people wouldn't void their warranties by removing it. That's the model I ended up with.
A silent pc is pretty much my number one concern so I'll stick with the naked drive for now and see what the temperature does during next summer. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Thrawn on November 23, 2009, 12:05:40 PM
So I'm thinking of picking up an external HD for my wife for Christmas, she really wants one for storing her photography on.

How sturdy are these drives usually?  As much as she will say she'll take care of it I know in time it will just be something she probably tosses in her purse as she heads out the door.  Any particular brands I should look for or avoid?  I know I've quit buying WD internal drives because I've had so many problems with them.



Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Salamok on November 23, 2009, 12:19:56 PM
So I'm thinking of picking up an external HD for my wife for Christmas, she really wants one for storing her photography on.

How sturdy are these drives usually?  As much as she will say she'll take care of it I know in time it will just be something she probably tosses in her purse as she heads out the door.  Any particular brands I should look for or avoid?  I know I've quit buying WD internal drives because I've had so many problems with them.

I have the Maxtor Onetouch III Mini drive and it is great.  I left it in the console of my truck for 6 months (during our record temp summer) and have had no issues.  I don't think I have dropped it yet though.  Best part of this drive is it is 100% USB powered, this is much easier to haul around than a solution that requires a power cord or even worse a brick.  It comes with a  2 foot USB Y cable to draw some extra juice from a 2nd USB port if needed but I haven't needed the 2nd hookup yet.

As much as I like this drive I think if I had to do it over again I'd go for a 64 gig USB stick, in theory that should be much more durable as well as being far more portable.

edit: I have the 160gb model, the Onetouch Mini 4 also offers 250gb and 320gb models.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on November 23, 2009, 12:26:35 PM
I'll also suggest the smaller ones which do not require additional power.  At least in my case there is a bad power circuit at my wife's office that eats external drives.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on November 24, 2009, 11:01:14 AM
A silent pc is pretty much my number one concern so I'll stick with the naked drive for now and see what the temperature does during next summer. Thanks for the info.
This is out of order, but the concept of what I meant.  No fans, no noise, and if they do fit your case provide vibration damping.  I think mine are Zalman:  HD cooler (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835199002&cm_re=disk_heat_pipe_cooler-_-35-199-002-_-Product)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on November 27, 2009, 10:11:54 PM
Win7 / Latest Firefox beta.

When I click on a web page, a little flashing text thing will show up to the right of whatever I clicked - like I can type. Page Up, Page Down, Home, and End don't work, which is often how I browse forums. It's driving me fucking bonkers.

Halp.

Edit: IE works properly. No plugins, tried another theme for Firefox, still broken.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: schild on November 27, 2009, 11:06:18 PM
Fixed.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chimpy on November 29, 2009, 09:06:18 AM
Have not looked in this thread for about a month, missed the discussion a couple of pages ago about Buffalo wireless routers.

They are pieces of shit. I have experience working with them for work. One guy says he has one at home flashed with DDWRT that works great, but the ones we have out in the field fail pretty regularly.

One must also remember that they were banned for sale in the US for a little over a year as part of a patent suit/injunction.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chenghiz on December 03, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
God, I hope this is a quick question.

I had explorer freeze up in my install of Windows Vista. I hard-rebooted and the computer got past the green-bar loading screen for windows, only to give me a black screen and a cursor. When I tried to repair the install with my CD, my install of Vista didn't show up in the box where it asks you which install to repair.

I decided to go ahead and install Windows 7. That went pretty well, but now I can't see my secondary HDD in My Computer. It's listed in the device manager as functioning properly, and the defrag utility can see it as well, but it has no drive letter. I suspect this is because while my primary HDD is hooked up by IDE, the secondary is SATA and for some reason windows doesn't have the proper drivers for it. Note that this computer is not currently on the internet, so windows can't look for drivers.

Am I on the money here? I won't have internet on this computer for a month or so, but if I can download drivers elsewhere and transfer them to the computer that would be grand.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Lantyssa on December 03, 2009, 09:02:01 PM
Can the Disk Manager see the drive?  If so, can you assign it a drive letter?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Chenghiz on December 03, 2009, 09:14:30 PM
Can the Disk Manager see the drive?  If so, can you assign it a drive letter?
Um, that's a fantastic question. I'll look into that. For whatever reason, I always forget that the disk manager exists.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on December 03, 2009, 11:05:04 PM
Pre-Windows XP SP3 there were no generic SATA drivers on the install discs/images. I can't imagine Windows 7 is somehow missing those. You can check in the Device Manager to see if it sees your SATA controller(s).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 11, 2009, 09:45:41 AM
Protip: A TCP/IP packet which contains two bits which are are "flipped" and are also 1216 bytes apart will pass a CRC checksum.  Unlikely?  Sure, but transmitting a 10TB database where lots of bad packets crop up will push this from UNLIKELY into INEVITABLE.  This was specifically noted on a Nortel Passport 8600.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on December 11, 2009, 10:47:04 AM
Just out of curiosity what size frames are you using?  Jumbo?  Super Jumbo?  Just regular old 1518?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 11, 2009, 02:13:56 PM
I can tell you we use 1500 MTU on the client, since I'm the client.  Beyond that, the switches are impenetrable to me and the diagnosis (performed by someone else since I'm too fucking busy to do fun things) jives with a previous problem wherein packets were being mangled for some reason.  If memory serves, and it may not, we had some misaligned packet sizes causing "truncation" of the frame data between certain network appliances.  The idea that the network team is not aware of large-quantity resends is not surprising or interesting, but the ability for the CRC to fail is.  To me, anyway.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on December 11, 2009, 02:48:54 PM
I just ask because the CRC algorithm changes depending on frame size, obviously the larger the packet the less robust the CRC check is with a 32 bit CRC.  The IEEE CRC standard was not chosen for accuracy, more for ease of implementation and speed, add to that even more emphasis on speedy, less resource intensive CRC checking for those jumbo and super jumbo (which are not IEEE standards btw) and I could easily anticipate more chance of false positives on a CRC check.  That said, even with a Jumbo Frame the CRC should be able to handle ~72Kb of data reliably (8*9k interestingly enough) from what I've read.

That you have enough double bit errors to practically guarantee 1 that passes the CRC check every 10TB of data (which is hefty but not really OMGWTFBBQ!), seems to me, to be pretty alarming.  The error rate is supposed specced to be 1x10^-12 for a well implemented 10GBASE-T Ethernet bus (that's the error rate due to electrical issues, not the rate at which you would expect a false positive CRC check which, I think, should be MUCH lower).  If you do have that many errors your network must be dog slow.

I don't really know all that much about it other than having spent the last few days reading the 802.3 spec and other assorted info and evaluating MAC & PHY IP cores for a BUS down select meeting.  If we decide to go with 1000BASE-T or 10G Ethernet (unlikely, it will probably be Spacewire) it would still be months until I had implemented anything and then months more before I was actually familiar enough with it in a lab to really help trouble-shoot or provide a reasonable chance at a solution.  Mostly, I was just curious.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 11, 2009, 03:30:54 PM
Yeah, no problem at all... personally I'd like to get into what the (UNIX) guy did to determine this, but I don't have time for it.  I agree with you that there has to be a hell of a lot of errors somewhere.  The network isn't detectably slow, though we're using gigabit almost universally and I think the bottleneck is CPU or local IO.  It is almost assuredly contained in one particular route since restoring the same 10TB DB onto a machine on an entirely different (and newer) network produced zero corruption.  The target that is on the bad route has been corrupted on each of the past six or so restores, over a period of time slightly larger than one year.  The size is just big enough for us to see the corruption easily, it's not a size issue at all, like you said.  We might just be dodging it elsewhere with smaller DBs but I'm pretty sure it is isolated to a few clients on an older segment.

Interesting bit about the CRC standard.  I had no idea but it makes sense.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Yegolev on December 18, 2009, 07:29:00 AM
Anyone ever open up a Razer Diamondback or similar?  My mousewheel has sudddenly become resistant to movement so I figure a quick de-gunking is in order, but turns out there are no screws on this thing.  I don't want to buy a new mouse just because my current one is dirty, but I also don't want to pry it open and end up with a crap mouse.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: lesion on December 21, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
Haven't done it personally. About halfway down, this says the screw is under the rear foot: http://www.dansdata.com/diamondback.htm


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 03, 2010, 05:30:05 PM
So I finally found a game that makes good use of my second monitor (World in Conflict, was on sale on Steam a couple of weeks ago - you can put the "mini map" on a second monitor - rock!), but my computer dies after playing it for a bit.

It basically goes into sleep mode (monitors turn off, go into sleep mode) with no response from the keyboard or mouse. The fans in the case are still running, everything else looks like it's ON but it won't respond. Music/sound stops. Keyboard still has numlock lit but won't change. iPod still getting power from the mobo.

Any ideas what might cause this?

I had thought it might be a mobo/memory issue when this happened to me a few months ago, but at the time I wasn't even playing games when it started randomly 'sleeping'. So I took the opportunity to buy a new mobo/cpu/memory, and now that I'm trying to play games again, it's back!

I'm leaning toward the graphics card (eVGA Geforce 8800 GT), which pisses me off.. the NVIDIA system monitor (which barely works on Win7) keeps reporting GPU temps going from 64*C to 192*C, fluctuating back and forth every few seconds even when just sitting on the desktop. So something (the software or the hardware) is flakey there.

Any second opinions?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 03, 2010, 05:32:55 PM
My guess is either your CPU or GPU is overheating, probably the GPU.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 03, 2010, 09:23:47 PM
Ya, the 8800GT is a pretty good card when used on a single monitor, but asking the card to do two monitor renderings at once is probably asking a bit too much. Also, the factory cooling for that series of cards sucked ass, for the most part.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 04, 2010, 07:39:48 AM
Any second opinions?

Blow all the dust out of your case and fans and run a temperature monitor, if you have two HDD's in adjacent bays move them at least 1 space apart.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 04, 2010, 12:13:25 PM
An OSX question:

If I remote VNC into an OSX session can I have the remote desktop be a different size than the current system desktop?

The current desktop is 1024x800 but the computer I am connecting in from has much more screen real-estate and I would like to make use of it.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 04, 2010, 12:18:04 PM
Blew out my case, also blew out the gpu's fan/heatsink. Didn't seem to help any. Using HWMonitor my HDs are running coolish (34*C) and don't increase when playing a game.

I ran a Prime95 test with Core Temp up, and even at 85*C the i5 worked like a charm - no shutdown problems there.

I'm 80% positive it's my gfx card, as when I start the game I get FPS where I expect to see them (60+) with the settings I have. After about 5 mins the FPS drops to 30+ and then 5 more mins it'll croak. This happens in single or dual monitor mode - just faster in dual mode.

But hell, I bought a new PSU and gfx just in case.

Oddly, RivaTuner is the only app I could find that'd give me a good steady reading on the GPU temp. Even the Nvidia System Monitor software fluctuated all over the place (maybe because it's an ATI chipset mobo?)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 04, 2010, 01:52:36 PM
An OSX question:

If I remote VNC into an OSX session can I have the remote desktop be a different size than the current system desktop?

The current desktop is 1024x800 but the computer I am connecting in from has much more screen real-estate and I would like to make use of it.
Don't think so, though I haven't dug too far into remote desktop. I'm using an older version and get annoyed by it setting the window to the size of the login screen (10.3), have to close out the window and reopen it after logging in remotely to get the full desktop res without scrollbars. :|


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Murgos on January 04, 2010, 03:23:42 PM
For RealVNC when you start the server on the command line you pass it a value for remote desktops (i.e. vncserver --geometry 1280x1024).   Is there a command line argument to start the vncserver in OSX or is it only through the GUI?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 04, 2010, 03:42:18 PM
Dunno, I just use the gooey.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on January 04, 2010, 10:01:16 PM

I ran a Prime95 test with Core Temp up, and even at 85*C the i5 worked like a charm - no shutdown problems there.


Is it even safe to bring the i5 to those sorts of temps?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Trippy on January 04, 2010, 11:46:19 PM
I ran a Prime95 test with Core Temp up, and even at 85*C the i5 worked like a charm - no shutdown problems there.
Is it even safe to bring the i5 to those sorts of temps?
The limit for LGA 1156 chips is <100C.

85C is pretty high, though. I would be worried with anything above around 65C myself. My i7 doesn't even break 50C on Prime95 using this Noctua heat sink (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608014&cm_re=noctua-_-35-608-014-_-Product) (with both fans installed).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 05, 2010, 03:29:39 PM
I ran a Prime95 test with Core Temp up, and even at 85*C the i5 worked like a charm - no shutdown problems there.
Is it even safe to bring the i5 to those sorts of temps?
The limit for LGA 1156 chips is <100C.

85C is pretty high, though. I would be worried with anything above around 65C myself. My i7 doesn't even break 50C on Prime95 using this Noctua heat sink (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608014&cm_re=noctua-_-35-608-014-_-Product) (with both fans installed).

Actually, I do think 85*C is high, though not awful. Maybe my thermal paste is old or whatever, so I'll be checking that out too - it was pretty stable even at those temperatures for 10-15 minutes. (Though I've never seen it go over 50% usage on all four cores unless doing something like Prime95). Maybe next month I'll get a new heatsink, but for now I've spent enough cash on random computer parts (and games!).


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Strazos on January 05, 2010, 07:06:08 PM
How old could that paste possibly be?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Viin on January 05, 2010, 07:23:39 PM
Heh, no idea .. I got it with the CPU, but who knows how long it was on the shelf before I got it. I could have put too much on or not enough - hard to say, but I'll take the CPU off and see when I open it up this weekend.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 07, 2010, 07:27:23 AM
Can anyone enlighten me at all with regards to choosing a decent soundcard?

I'm running Win 7 64 and want something better than the onboard AC97 I've got now. It's going to output to a Sony HT-SF1300 home theatre system which as a wide range of possible input options - Optical, COAX, HDMI and standard red/white audio jack things. I have no idea what the best option for connection is nor what the difference between all those options is!

It's for gaming, music and video playback although gaming is the main focus (the PS3 is used mostly for music/video through the same audio system).

Thanks.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 07, 2010, 09:51:50 AM
If you want onboard DD5.1, you're going to have to get an Auzentech. I had an older card and the drivers were shit. (edit: just looked at their site and looks like they dumped the dolby chip but added hdmi out and x-fi parts). You still want to go with Auzentech if you need bluray on the pc to keep the digital path, the creative x-fi runs analog through part of the chain - no latency and it works great, but it's enough to break HDCP bullshit.

I'm using an X-Fi with the extra memory through their DTS-610 which outputs optical to my receiver. It's also on sale for $25 right now, which is a good deal.

http://us.store.creative.com/Home-Theater-Connect-DTS610/M/B002651ZEM.htm


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 07, 2010, 12:50:06 PM
I don't need BluRay on the PC, the PS3 handles that with aplomb.

I admit I don't really understand a lot of the rest of what you said..  :oh_i_see:  I need something else inbetween the soundcard and the theatre system? Huh? Why? Also the only Auzentech card I can find for sale in the UK (with a cursory search) is 152. That seems like a vast amount for a soundcard!

I'm confused :(


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 07, 2010, 01:59:51 PM
Creative X-Fi cards output surround sound to analog and need an intermediate step. Either setup (creative or auzentech) will cost you over a hundred bucks unless you get that deal on the DTS-610 at $25. Looking at PCI express X-Fi, that route would cost you around $75 ($50 X-Fi + DTS-610).

(http://images.americas.creative.com/images/products/inline/pc_audio.gif)


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 07, 2010, 03:18:17 PM
You still want to go with Auzentech if you need bluray on the pc to keep the digital path, the creative x-fi runs analog through part of the chain - no latency and it works great, but it's enough to break HDCP bullshit.

Are you saying that you can't use creative x-fi if you want to run bluray through a reciever? Cuz I watch bluray on my PC and use a creative x-fi card, but I don't have a reciever, just go straight to speakers from the card.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 07, 2010, 03:55:39 PM
Stereo downsampled, unless you're running a digital out to the speakers? There may be a way to pass surround that's already encoded, but for encoding on the fly, you need the stupid DTS-610.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Engels on January 07, 2010, 07:59:57 PM
Oh, its not surroundsound, its just two speakers and a woofer. Standard PC sound system. I think I get you now.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 08, 2010, 01:22:20 AM
OK gotcha. So how about something like this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SC-001-AS&groupid=701&catid=11&subcat=

Says "Real-time DDL and DTS Connect encoders for amazing gaming and surround sounds over your Home Theater System". They seem to make a lot of noise about still giving EAX/surround with VIsta. Am I understand that right?


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 08, 2010, 08:43:19 AM
I dunno, that whole bit confuses the heck out of me. Not sure where everything stands with EAX and OpenAL and ALchemy, I skipped Vista and thus far things seem to be working on 7 but I'm mostly playing newer games. If anyone has the skinny on the whole situation as it pertains to Win7, a primer would be welcome :)

Hardware encoding is really nice, though. It lacks optical out, but does have coax SPDIF, so that should preserve the HDCP chain (I guess if the soundcard has the magical blessing, who the fuck knows with content nazis).

I guess you could always give it a whirl and return it if you don't like it. I had to do that twice trying to get my setup running through my receiver after my soundstorm chip died.


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: apocrypha on January 08, 2010, 11:19:11 AM
That sounds like a good plan. That retailer are pretty good about that kind of thing - I'm in the process of RMA'ing a Logitech wireless keyboard and mouse set with them right now because the bluetooth only worked and <1m  :uhrr:


Title: Re: Quick [tech] Questions Thread
Post by: Sky on January 08, 2010, 12:03:50 PM
I've been much happier with RF, but even that sucks the bed for consistent connection. I end up with the receiver on the coffee table for the 5% of the time it wants to be shabby with the connection distance