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Engels
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The hanging at BIOS suggests that the motherboard is struggling with hardware.
You should be able to disable the BIOS flash screen from within BIOS. Poke about in there and you should find it.
Try booting without the new HD. Try booting with only one memory stick, then the other. If any of those relieve the hang, do it again, at least 2 more times, to be sure you've nailed the offending hardware.
NTLDR reported as missing suggests somethings' amiss with the new hard drive, but it may also be something wrong with RAM. The inability for a system to load stuff into RAM can sometimes manifest itself as 'missing' or 'corrupt' files, when in fact the files are just fine on the hard drive, its their transport to bad RAM that makes them look missing or corrupt. The system just doesn't know how to tell you that.
Lastly, burn a copy of Ultimate Boot CD and do mem tests and HD tests if any of the above is inconclusive.
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Did you install on a new hard drive but leave the old one in? It's using the old one for the boot record if you didn't physically redorder the bad drives or pull the suspect one.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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Oh, btw, thanks to the folks who helped me a while back with Dreamweaver SFTP and ssh config on FreeBSD. Your direction was correct; PAM doesn't work with Dreamweaver 8, and you need to manually tell sshd to do password authentication.
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I should get back to nature, too. You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer. Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached. Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe
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Question: Co-worker just got a Dell Precision M4400 laptop. Thing has 4gb of RAM in it but is running WinXP SP3 32-bit. The machine only registers 3.45gb, but that it recognized even that much surprised me. I thought the 32bit OSes wouldn't go over 2gb? At least, that's what I thought from a few months back when I tried to put 4gb on my then-mobo with WinXP (was Asus A7N266C now Asus (P5N-T Deluxe). So, running WinXP 32bit, could I now be running almost 3.5gb? But your right, the Razer software absolutely blows ass.
I agree. So I don't use them. I have the Razer keyboard and mouse. I like them both for performance and really don't care at all what the software has. The computer just sees them as a keyboard and mouse, never asked me to install special drivers, and so after wiping the drive, I never bother. They work just as a keyboard and mouse.
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Engels
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The 2 gig limitation is about WinXP SP1 and below and initial installation before patching, which often freaked out if you had more than 2 gig. After patching to SP2, you can put in more ram, up to 4 gigs in 32 bit OS. 4 gigl total for 32. 512 or so is reserved for windows OS and devices, plus video card memory is subtracted from the total, hence you only see 3.45. From somewhere else, in nerdish:Registers in x86 PCs are limited to 32 bits, which means the biggest number that can be stored in that register is 2^32, or 4,294,967,296; which means that the CPU can access up to "ADDRESS 4,294,967,296" which is the 4th GB of data.
The problem is that the CPU also access I/O devices (printer, USB, keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc.) by assigning them an address as well. So it reserves half a GB or so of the memory addresses to talk to the I/O devices... So you have 4GB - ~0.5GB -> 3.5 GB (on Windows it is 3.2GB).
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I should get back to nature, too. You know, like going to a shop for groceries instead of the computer. Maybe a condo in the woods that doesn't even have a health club or restaurant attached. Buy a car with only two cup holders or something. -Signe
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Ah! Ok so if I ever wipe the drive again, I need to remove the extra sticks, reinstall XP, let it patch to SP3, then reinstall the third and fourth gig. I'll remember that. Thanks Engels.
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*sighs* Thought I had solved my problem but apparenty the loose ram-sticks were not the problem... Right now my theory is, that something is wron with my power supply. After a little bit of research, I found out that I have a really shitty PSU. Here is what I know: Type: LC-B400-Atx Output: 400 W +12v= 20A (this seems to be important, but I don't know enough to understand why. Here is what I am running atm. CPU Typ DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo E7200, 2533 MHz (9.5 x 267) Motherboard Name ASRock 4Core1600Twins-P35 (3 PCI, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, 2 DDR3 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN) DIMM1: Team Group Team-Value-800 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) DIMM2: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz) DIMM3: Team Group Team-Value-800 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) DIMM4: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz) NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT (512 MB) Realtek ALC888/1200 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller [A-2] Hd1: ExcelStor Technology J8160 (153 GB, IDE) Hd2: SAMSUNG SP1203N (120 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133) AVM FRITZ!WLAN USB Stick (192.168.178.20) Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer (USB) Right now I am planning to upgrade to a stonger PSU, something like 500w output, +12v=40A and 80+ certified if memory serves me right. And a new Sata HD, so I can run my IDE DVD-Drives again. Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
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Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
Yes. What are your RAM timings set at in your BIOS?
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Untill then I read it might be worth a try to increase Vcore (slowly, step by step) to increase system stability. Is this dangerous ?
Yes. What are your RAM timings set at in your BIOS? CPU-Z read this... Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02 Graphic Interface PCI-Express PCI-E Link Width x16 PCI-E Max Link Width x16 Memory Type DDR2 Memory Size 4096 MBytes Memory Frequency 333.4 MHz (4:5) CAS# Latency (tCL) 5.0 clocks RAS# to CAS# (tRCD) 5 clocks RAS# Precharge (tRP) 5 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) 15 clocks Command Rate (CR) 2T
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Trippy
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What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z). Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
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Der Helm
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What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z).
Hm. Will have a look, but where did you get the 667 Mhz from ? Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
I was under the impression that both ram pairs were of the same speed. They are not ? edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400] edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
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Trippy
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What is your FSB and RAM frequency set to in your BIOS? You have a strange setup if you are really running your RAM at 667 MHz (double the rate of the reported frequency in CPU-Z).
Hm. Will have a look, but where did you get the 667 Mhz from ? For DDR RAM the memory bus speed is half the data rate. So if CPU-Z is reporting 333 MHz and assuming that's accurate then you are running your RAM as DDR(2)-667. Your timings may also be wrong since it's using the faster of your pairs' timings rather than the slowest.
I was under the impression that both ram pairs were of the same speed. They are not ? DIMM1: Team Group Team-Value-800 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) DIMM2: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz) DIMM3: Team Group Team-Value-800 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-10 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-8 @ 200 MHz) DIMM4: Kingston KTC1G-UDIMM 1 GB DDR2-800 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-18 @ 400 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
The Team Group timings are different than the Kingston ones.
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edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400] edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to?
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Trippy
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edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).
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Der Helm
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edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400] edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to? That is Front size bus, right ? Could not find it in the BIOS, Everest reports : actual 327 MHz (DDR) / effective 653 MHz
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Der Helm
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edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400]
Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings). Will try that. just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
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edit: Ah. DDR2 at 333 Mhz = 667 Mhz ? BIOS setting was on [Auto] is now on [400] edit2: Also noticed that my bios setting for the graphic adapter was set to PCI, changed it to PCIe
What is your FSB set to? That is Front size bus, right ? Could not find it in the BIOS, Everest reports : actual 327 MHz (DDR) / effective 653 MHz Front Side Bus. You need a new motherboard -- your MB requires the use of jumpers for certain FSB/memory bus speed combinations Turn off Speedstep in your BIOS and then check your FSB speed in CPU-Z. What is it reporting? just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
Take out your RAM and verify that the part numbers are in fact what you ordered.
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Der Helm
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Change your RAM timings to 5-5-5-18 then (to match your slowest timings).
Would that be the following settings ? DRAM CAS# Latency RAS to CAS Precharge Activate to Precharge All are set to [auto] atm. "Active to Precharge" has no "18" setting, maximum is 15.
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Trippy
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Would that be the following settings ?
DRAM CAS# Latency RAS to CAS Precharge Activate to Precharge
All are set to [auto] atm.
"Active to Precharge" has no "18" setting, maximum is 15.
They are in the same order they are spec'd on the RAM. I.e. 5, 5, 5, 15 or 18. If you can't set Activate to Precharge to 18 then take out your Kingston RAM and see if you still have the reset problem.
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just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.
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Oh, btw, thanks to the folks who helped me a while back with Dreamweaver SFTP and ssh config on FreeBSD. Your direction was correct; PAM doesn't work with Dreamweaver 8, and you need to manually tell sshd to do password authentication.
I am very happy that, for once, I was able to help out with something that I know about rather than making educated guesses.
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Der Helm
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just found out that changing "DRAM frequency" in the bios and saving the settings immediatly causes the same "reset effect" that is my problem
You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions. Great. Jumpers are BELOW the fan of the graphic card. Set as follows [X][X][][][]FSB2 [X][X][][][]FSB3 [X][X][]FSB1 Which should be the default setting. *shrugs* I tried setting the FSB to the correct size for my CPU. Did not work, windows did not even start up. Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
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How I miss jumpers.
Wan't to trade motherboards ?
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Trippy
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You are going to have to check the jumpers on your motherboard. Reference page 11 and page 26 in your manual and report back on the positions of the FSB1, FSB2, and FSB3 jumpers. The crappy manual doesn't say what the jumpers should be set to for a FSB of 1066 (what your CPU needs) and a memory speed of 800 (what your RAM needs) but I'm assuming the jumpers should all be in their default "1_2" positions.
Great. Jumpers are BELOW the fan of the graphic card. Set as follows [X][X][][][]FSB2 [X][X][][][]FSB3 [X][X][]FSB1 Which should be the default setting. *shrugs* I tried setting the FSB to the correct size for my CPU. Did not work, windows did not even start up. Is your BIOS up-to-date? I wonder if there is something obvious we are missing here. It's hard to believe a P35 motherboard is doing such a bad job of auto-detecting the hardware installed. Did you turn off Speedstep in the BIOS and check the auto-detect CPU settings in CPU-Z (FSB, multiplier, etc.)? Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
Okay that's different than the 333 MHz CPU-Z was reporting earlier. Is CPU-Z now showing 533 as well? That would imply you are trying to run your RAM as DDR2-1066, which makes sense since that's what your CPU's FSB should be set (but you still haven't said if that's what it's running at).
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Thanks for all your help, man. Is your BIOS up-to-date? I wonder if there is something obvious we are missing here. It's hard to believe a P35 motherboard is doing such a bad job of auto-detecting the hardware installed. Did you turn off Speedstep in the BIOS and check the auto-detect CPU settings in CPU-Z (FSB, multiplier, etc.)? Setup showed a fixed DRAM frequecy of 533/DDR2 which I could not adjust at all.
Okay that's different than the 333 MHz CPU-Z was reporting earlier. Is CPU-Z now showing 533 as well? That would imply you are trying to run your RAM as DDR2-1066, which makes sense since that's what your CPU's FSB should be set (but you still haven't said if that's what it's running at). I might not have been clear, when I changed the jumpers, windows would not load, at all. So I did set them back to default. I will look for a Bios Update. I ripped out the OEM RAM and now have only 2 Gbyte Samsung Ram installed (my father had some lying around). I was able to adjust the BIOS settings for those RAM sticks but I had to lower them to 333 Mhz 5-5-5-15 instead of 400 Mhz (auto). Speedstep is off. This is my CPU-Z Dump: Processors Information ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Processor 1 (ID = 0) Number of cores 2 (max 2) Number of threads 2 (max 2) Name Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Codename Wolfdale Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h) CPUID 6.7.6 Extended CPUID 6.17 Core Stepping M0 Technology 45 nm Core Speed 2482.5 MHz (9.5 x 261.3 MHz) Rated Bus speed 1045.3 MHz Stock frequency 2533 MHz Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size L2 cache 3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size FID/VID Control yes FID range 6.0x - 9.5x max VID 1.163 V Features Chipset ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02 Graphic Interface PCI-Express PCI-E Link Width x16 PCI-E Max Link Width x16 Memory Type DDR2 Memory Size 2048 MBytes Channels Dual (Symmetric) Memory Frequency 326.6 MHz (4:5) CAS# 5.0 RAS# to CAS# 5 RAS# Precharge 5 Cycle Time (tRAS) 15 Command Rate 2T Memory SPD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ DIMM #1 General Memory type DDR2 Module format Regular UDIMM Manufacturer (ID) Samsung (CE00000000000000) Size 1024 MBytes Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz) Part number M3 78T2863QZS-CF7 Serial number 647E65B8 Manufacturing date Week 48/Year 08 Attributes Number of banks 1 Data width 64 bits Correction None Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts EPP no XMP no Timings table Frequency (MHz) 266 333 400 CAS# 4.0 5.0 6.0 RAS# to CAS# delay 4 5 6 RAS# Precharge 4 5 6 TRAS 12 15 18 TRC 16 20 24 DIMM #2 General Memory type DDR2 Module format Regular UDIMM Manufacturer (ID) Samsung (CE00000000000000) Size 1024 MBytes Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz) Part number M3 78T2863QZS-CF7 Serial number 8165657D Manufacturing date Week 45/Year 08 Attributes Number of banks 1 Data width 64 bits Correction None Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts EPP no XMP no Winbond W83627DHG hardware monitor Voltage sensor 0 1.14 Volts [0x8E] (CPU VCORE) Voltage sensor 1 12.43 Volts [0xDF] (+12V) Voltage sensor 2 3.26 Volts [0xCC] (AVCC) Voltage sensor 3 3.26 Volts [0xCC] (+3.3V) Voltage sensor 4 1.24 Volts [0x9B] (VIN1) Voltage sensor 5 5.16 Volts [0xD7] (+5V) Voltage sensor 6 1.66 Volts [0xD0] (VIN3) Temperature sensor 0 35°C (94°F) [0x23] (SYSTIN) Temperature sensor 1 34°C (93°F) [0x44] (CPUTIN) Temperature sensor 2 15°C (58°F) [0x1E] (AUXTIN) Fan sensor 1 2344 RPM [0x48] (CPUFANIN0)
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Ok, Bios is up to date now.
Stability seems to be getting worse over time. Right now I can't even play Blood Bowl or TF2 for more than a few minutes at best.
Lots of reading on the internet seems to indicate that I have one of the worst PCUs installed that is/was avaible on the market, I think I posted the specs a bit earlier.
Shitty BIOS settings aside, how likely is this PSU related ?
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I might not have been clear, when I changed the jumpers, windows would not load, at all. So I did set them back to default.
Yes your jumpers should be on the default positions (1_2). I will look for a Bios Update.
I ripped out the OEM RAM and now have only 2 Gbyte Samsung Ram installed (my father had some lying around). I was able to adjust the BIOS settings for those RAM sticks but I had to lower them to 333 Mhz 5-5-5-15 instead of 400 Mhz (auto).
Speedstep is off.
This is my CPU-Z Dump:
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Processor 1 (ID = 0) Number of cores 2 (max 2) Number of threads 2 (max 2) Name Intel Core 2 Duo E7200 Codename Wolfdale Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E7200 @ 2.53GHz Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h) CPUID 6.7.6 Extended CPUID 6.17 Core Stepping M0 Technology 45 nm Core Speed 2482.5 MHz (9.5 x 261.3 MHz) Rated Bus speed 1045.3 MHz Stock frequency 2533 MHz Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size L2 cache 3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size FID/VID Control yes FID range 6.0x - 9.5x max VID 1.163 V Features
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Northbridge Intel P35/G33/G31 rev. A2 Southbridge Intel 82801IB (ICH9) rev. 02 Graphic Interface PCI-Express PCI-E Link Width x16 PCI-E Max Link Width x16 Memory Type DDR2 Memory Size 2048 MBytes Channels Dual (Symmetric) Memory Frequency 326.6 MHz (4:5) CAS# 5.0 RAS# to CAS# 5 RAS# Precharge 5 Cycle Time (tRAS) 15 Command Rate 2T
Memory SPD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIMM #1
General Memory type DDR2 Module format Regular UDIMM Manufacturer (ID) Samsung (CE00000000000000) Size 1024 MBytes Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz) Part number M3 78T2863QZS-CF7 Serial number 647E65B8 Manufacturing date Week 48/Year 08
Attributes Number of banks 1 Data width 64 bits Correction None Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts EPP no XMP no
Timings table Frequency (MHz) 266 333 400 CAS# 4.0 5.0 6.0 RAS# to CAS# delay 4 5 6 RAS# Precharge 4 5 6 TRAS 12 15 18 TRC 16 20 24
DIMM #2
General Memory type DDR2 Module format Regular UDIMM Manufacturer (ID) Samsung (CE00000000000000) Size 1024 MBytes Max bandwidth PC2-6400 (400 MHz) Part number M3 78T2863QZS-CF7 Serial number 8165657D Manufacturing date Week 45/Year 08
Attributes Number of banks 1 Data width 64 bits Correction None Nominal Voltage 1.80 Volts EPP no XMP no
Winbond W83627DHG hardware monitor
Voltage sensor 0 1.14 Volts [0x8E] (CPU VCORE) Voltage sensor 1 12.43 Volts [0xDF] (+12V) Voltage sensor 2 3.26 Volts [0xCC] (AVCC) Voltage sensor 3 3.26 Volts [0xCC] (+3.3V) Voltage sensor 4 1.24 Volts [0x9B] (VIN1) Voltage sensor 5 5.16 Volts [0xD7] (+5V) Voltage sensor 6 1.66 Volts [0xD0] (VIN3) Temperature sensor 0 35°C (94°F) [0x23] (SYSTIN) Temperature sensor 1 34°C (93°F) [0x44] (CPUTIN) Temperature sensor 2 15°C (58°F) [0x1E] (AUXTIN) Fan sensor 1 2344 RPM [0x48] (CPUFANIN0)
Okay I think I see what's going on here with your RAM. You would have to put in your original RAM and run the above again to confirm but I think what's happening is your MB only supports a limited range of memory timings and it's dropping the RAM frequency down because it can't support the timings of your RAM at 400 MHz (DDR2-800). If you look at the Samsung data above you can see CPU-Z is reporting 400 MHz as 6-6-6-18 and you said earlier you can't set TRAS above 15. So your Kingston RAM is probably causing the same problem as its TRAS is 18 as well which is forcing the MB to drop the RAM frequency down to 333 MHz. At least your CPU FSB is correct at 1067 MHz (or thereabouts). Ok, Bios is up to date now.
Stability seems to be getting worse over time. Right now I can't even play Blood Bowl or TF2 for more than a few minutes at best.
Lots of reading on the internet seems to indicate that I have one of the worst PCUs installed that is/was avaible on the market, I think I posted the specs a bit earlier.
Shitty BIOS settings aside, how likely is this PSU related ?
There's a good chance it's your PSU. I'm still suspicious of your MB, though. Power supplies tend to shut themselves off when things go bad rather than "power cycling" (i.e. rebooting themselves). MBs, though, could definitely "spontaneously" reboot the system if they are going crazy. On the other hand it's possible a voltage drop on one of the lines or other power fluctuation is actually what's triggering the MB to reboot the system. If it was me and I had the money I would replace both components.
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There's a good chance it's your PSU. I'm still suspicious of your MB, though. Power supplies tend to shut themselves off when things go bad rather than "power cycling" (i.e. rebooting themselves). MBs, though, could definitely "spontaneously" reboot the system if they are going crazy. On the other hand it's possible a voltage drop on one of the lines or other power fluctuation is actually what's triggering the MB to reboot the system. If it was me and I had the money I would replace both components.
If it's a crappy power supply, and running just at its capabilities, I don't think power cycling would be all that unusual. They PSU may not even really shut off, the motherboard just loses enough power that it resets itself. There's also the possibility that cycling like that has damaged the motherboard which is compounding the problem.
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Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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Der Helm
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Ok, so I will most likely replace both components, but not at the same time. Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ? And a decent manufacturer of RAM ? I read Samsung is not bad. vOv
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Strazos
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Corsair, Kingston, Cruicial.
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Der Helm
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Hm. Right now I can't even run a complete scan on Kaperski AV without rebooting the system
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Trippy
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Ok, so I will most likely replace both components, but not at the same time. Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ? What's your budget? And a decent manufacturer of RAM ? I read Samsung is not bad. vOv
Samsung is the largest DRAM chip maker so their stuff is obviously used by many of the name brands. Haven't actually used Samsung's own branded DIMMs before though. Corsair is my first choice for RAM.
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Der Helm
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Suggestions on reliable, not-to-expensive MBs or PSUs ?
What's your budget? Not more than 100€, less if possible. Right now I am thinking about an "ATX be quiet! Straight 450W" for 60€. Also that is per piece of equipment, obviously
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This guy any good? I'm not sure about that video card, I assume it could be replaced or disabled. Its currently at sams club for 1200$.
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