KOTOR MMO Official!?

[WindupAtheist]

FAP!

[Lantyssa]

Take Mass Effect, add Light Sabers and Droid BeepBoopNRROONG noises.

Can we add Jedi Knight 2 to the mix as well?

[Comstar]

After all the stories about the bugs and loony tunes Wile E Coyote disaster that was SWG, I'll have to play this game.

[Evildrider]

Take Mass Effect, add Light Sabers and Droid BeepBoopNRROONG noises.

Can we add Jedi Knight 2 to the mix as well?

JK2 is probably one of my favorite games ever.  I miss doing clan tournaments in that.

[WindupAtheist]

You can question how well KOTOR would translate into an MMO, and really it's not as if anyone expects turn-based D20 combat in KOTORO anyway, but I can tell you one good thing the Bioware name says about this project.  Namely, that it'll be developed with at least some idea in mind of what people want from a Star Wars RPG.

It won't be an inane virtual-world economic game with Wookie hairdressers and pikemen and fucking UO-style tamers running around.  It won't be some kind of horrible space sim about asteroid mining.  It won't be a tiresome "Gee, who needs Jedi anyway?" pseudo-shooter where everyone plays a generic trooper.  You won't have to grind your dick off for six months to get a lightsaber and then put up with permadeath.

It'll be all about pew-pew and lazer-swords and hackneyed black-and-white morality systems.  Just like, you know, Star Wars.

[stu]

Will it have smuggler missions?

[Fordel]

While JK2 is awesome, I fear it may be too much for a MMO combat wise to handle properly.


Who knows though, now is the time to dream, so our dreams may be crushed later via reality!

[AngryGumball]

You can question how well KOTOR would translate into an MMO, and really it's not as if anyone expects turn-based D20 combat in KOTORO anyway, but I can tell you one good thing the Bioware name says about this project.  Namely, that it'll be developed with at least some idea in mind of what people want from a Star Wars RPG.

It won't be an inane virtual-world economic game with Wookie hairdressers and pikemen and fucking UO-style tamers running around.  It won't be some kind of horrible space sim about asteroid mining.  It won't be a tiresome "Gee, who needs Jedi anyway?" pseudo-shooter where everyone plays a generic trooper.  You won't have to grind your dick off for six months to get a lightsaber and then put up with permadeath.

It'll be all about pew-pew and lazer-swords and hackneyed black-and-white morality systems.  Just like, you know, Star Wars.

wow you just said a whole lot of stupid attacking the failure based on the future of which you know nothing.

I award you gain +2 in cheap shot artist.

[UnSub]

You can question how well KOTOR would translate into an MMO, and really it's not as if anyone expects turn-based D20 combat in KOTORO anyway, but I can tell you one good thing the Bioware name says about this project.  Namely, that it'll be developed with at least some idea in mind of what people want from a Star Wars RPG.

It won't be an inane virtual-world economic game with Wookie hairdressers and pikemen and fucking UO-style tamers running around.  It won't be some kind of horrible space sim about asteroid mining.  It won't be a tiresome "Gee, who needs Jedi anyway?" pseudo-shooter where everyone plays a generic trooper.  You won't have to grind your dick off for six months to get a lightsaber and then put up with permadeath.

It'll be all about pew-pew and lazer-swords and hackneyed black-and-white morality systems.  Just like, you know, Star Wars.

wow you just said a whole lot of stupid attacking the failure based on the future of which you know nothing.

I award you gain +2 in cheap shot artist.

... and hello to the pre-NGE SWG fanbois out there!

[DraconianOne]

I can tell you one good thing the Bioware name says about this project.  Namely, that it'll be developed with at least some idea in mind of what people want from a Star Wars RPG.

But they made KOTOR which, while a good game and had lightsabers and wookiees and sandpeople and elements that seemed to come from Star Wars, never actually felt like Star Wars to me.  Where were the Stormtroopers?  Where were the Star Destroyers, the TIE fighters, the Rebels, the X-Wings?  It was like wanting an RPG set in WW2 but getting one that was set 300 years earlier during the Thirty Years War.  I mean sure you've got a war and yes it's got the Germans, the British, the French and most of Europe involved and yeah there were guns but it's not WW2 is it?  No Americans, no tanks, no planes but it's kind of the same, isn't it. Isn't it?

KOTOR even had swords because, obviously, they featured so prominently in all of the Star Wars films.  Swords. Not lightsabers - swords. Pikes I recall seeing but swords? Can't think of a single scene featuring a sword.

[Bunk]

Which is exactly why Knights is a better setting for the game. "Hey, it would make sense if these guys used swords. Oh, no swords ever appeared onscreen in the movies? Oh well, throw that idea out."

[WindupAtheist]

Yeah, I guess they did abuse the crap out of the "sword that doesn't get sliced in two by a lightsaber" thing in order to give non-Jedi characters more equipment options than just pistol/rifle and an excuse to last more than 2 seconds once a Jedi closed to melee with them.  I could even deal with all that in an MMO so long as the game had a proper pew-pew bent, pistol damage stacked with rifle damage, they made droids the combat pets instead of animals, and so forth.

But if it didn't feel like Star Wars to you because the spaceships and the armor on the baddies were different, well, that's your damage.  To me it contained a lot more of the spirit of the original movies than any of those stupid endless "some new Imperial warlord comes back every two weeks, forcing Han and Luke to have adventures until they're 80 years old" novels and shit.  Or any game that took the time to let you milk animals to get milk to bake a cake with.

[Mrbloodworth]

I liked pre-NGE SWG. 

It needed work, but it never needed the NGE, hologrinds or doctor buffs. 

I would hope that this game, would incorporate some of the social aspects in the original SWG.

[WindupAtheist]

If I have to watch dancing to get healed, I won't fucking go near this game.

[Mrbloodworth]

If I have to watch dancing to get healed, I won't fucking go near this game.

I also liked that mechanic too. Cantinas were great.

[Triforcer]

If I have to watch dancing to get healed, I won't fucking go near this game.

I also liked that mechanic too. Cantinas were great.

Your opinions are bad, and you should feel bad. 

[Sky]

Since the EA + Lucasarts = bad anything has been covered, and I've already done my week's allotment of ranting about Bioware's recent releases...

I'll just say that the quote in the OP is exactly what is wrong with gaming from a consumer standpoint. Fucking capitalist pigdogs.

Why do we need more mmo? What was the last one worth a shit, gameplay-wise? I think our economy is going into the shitter because so many people are sitting around raiding stupid shit for fucking drops. Therefor, raiding and by extension mmo, is a terrorist activity and should be rooted out and destroyed. Why do you hate America?

I think the bit about console/handheld dropping from 66% to 50% is about some magical rise in mmo subs, especially in motherfucking china. Because there's nothing I enjoy hearing more from a massive pc game developer than they are focusing on motherfucking china.

[Mrbloodworth]

If I have to watch dancing to get healed, I won't fucking go near this game.

I also liked that mechanic too. Cantinas were great.

Your opinions are bad, and you should feel bad. 

No. It created a reason to goto the city's, even player city's. I could understand if you were mostly combat oriented as this being a bad thing, to a point, but the social game play that emerged from it was awesome. Besides, it i was doing like, at least 4 other things during that time anyway... so it was never a large soul crushing time sink as some make it out to be.

To each his own. But i have never seen the amount of social interaction that created in any other game. It broke the barrier of "playing alone together" IMO, and helped to create a world, instead of a single player game where you never had to interact with others for more than 6 seconds, online.

Nothing like coming back to town, after a long journey in the desert.

[eldaec]

console/handheld dropping from 66% to 50%

OMG console gaming is dead!




I always wanted to say that. In other news... Vader involved in canteen incident

[WindupAtheist]

SWG was a shittastic fucking failure even before the NGE and if BioWare knows anything, they'll go out of their way to make it as distant from SWG as possible.  Period.

[Mrbloodworth]

SWG was a shittastic fucking failure even before the NGE and if BioWare knows anything, they'll go out of their way to make it as distant from SWG as possible.  Period.

I disagree. It had problems, but they were overreacted to (See: NGE).

Don't you play UO, like...a lot?

[WindupAtheist]

Star Wars is not Ultima.  At all.  Treating it as if it were was a horrible mistake.  And whatever you agree or disagree with, the game was something of a flop.

[Sir T]

SWG was a shittastic fucking failure even before the NGE and if BioWare knows anything, they'll go out of their way to make it as distant from SWG as possible.  Period.

If they have any sense they will make it as far away from KOTOR as they can as well.

Otherwise it will be a facinating journey into the deep dark chasing after Reven and the Exile, killing Tiny Sith, Minor sith, minor green sith, Minor blue sith, average sith, average blue sith...

[Mrbloodworth]

Star Wars is not Ultima.  At all.  Treating it as if it were was a horrible mistake.  And whatever you agree or disagree with, the game was something of a flop.

Not to the people who enjoyed it, and would still be there if not more, if they had simpley taken more measured steps to fix/add things. Anyway, trying really hard not to let this turn into a SWG-PreCU debate. I think we did this already.

Only thing i wanted to say was, i really hope that some of the social aspects of SWG preCU are considered, and adopted for this new one. instead of just another gamey-game.

[Ingmar]

SWG was a shittastic fucking failure even before the NGE and if BioWare knows anything, they'll go out of their way to make it as distant from SWG as possible.  Period.

But tell us how you really feel.  

That said, I agree. SWG wasn't Star Wars. If anything it was more Star Wars *after* the NGE.
 

[Mrbloodworth]

If anything it was more Star Wars *after* the NGE.
 

I just logged in last night (14 day free, and a friend who just cant let go), and can tell you right now. Your dead wrong about that.

[IainC]

The hardest thing about making a Star Wars MMO should be organising enough trucks to take all your money to the bank every day.


That and making it not suck of course.

[Lakov_Sanite]

The hardest thing about making a Star Wars MMO should be organising enough trucks to take all your money to the bank every day.


That and making it not suck of course.

I'm not sure star wars as a franchise is as popular as geeks seem to think it is. Granted it's one of the most widely recognized ones out there but honestly each year that goes by is another year original trilogy fans stop playing games and those the watched the phantom abortion grow in number. That younger crowd knows star wars, they've watched all the movies as well but their introduction to it is as a whole and their reaction to it is simply 'meh'.  SWG should have had a million people buying the box if the brand was so strong, even if there was a steaming pile of shit inside(hint: there was) at least initial sales would have been better but they weren't.

Conan, the brand was immensely popular for a couple reasons, first the IP hasn't been tainted and people have only minimal expectations based on movies(most having not read comics) however what they did expect was fun, cutting heads off and sleeping with chicks in chainmail. What they got is besides the point but the brand was strong.

Now back to star wars. not only do you have the initial trilogy dilluting mass audiences but you also have SWG diluting the MMO crowd as well. Not to mention that if/when it is released people will be playing WAR and WOTLK respectively I'm sure, not to mention any other hard hitting games that come between now and then.

I cannot see KOTOR being the blockbuster it could have been a few years ago, the brand is simply weakened.

[Mrbloodworth]

I'm not sure star wars as a franchise is as popular as geeks seem to think it is.

Tell that to my friends 6 year old. Star wars is no longer only the movies, there are so many crossovers, its not funny. Starwars is still extremely popular.

[Cyrrex]

My three year old LOVES SW, and has never been anywhere near the movies or even cartoons. 

[Lantyssa]

That said, I agree. SWG wasn't Star Wars. If anything it was more Star Wars *after* the NGE.

Hahahaha.  No.  It's one giant Marketing ploy and nothing more.  They think sticking a lightsaber in someone's hand makes it Star Wars.

It wouldn't know the feel of Star Wars if it was bit by a womp rat.

[Ingmar]

That said, I agree. SWG wasn't Star Wars. If anything it was more Star Wars *after* the NGE.

Hahahaha.  No.  It's one giant Marketing ploy and nothing more.  They think sticking a lightsaber in someone's hand makes it Star Wars.

It wouldn't know the feel of Star Wars if it was bit by a womp rat.

More than the zero Star Wars feel it had before the NGE doesn't have to be very much.

[Bunk]

If I have to watch dancing to get healed, I won't fucking go near this game.

I also liked that mechanic too. Cantinas were great.

Sure, for the first three weeks, before they all became overrun with bots spamming "pLEASE TIP MEE!!" while they danced. The idea to have Master rank in a Social skill be required for Jedi advancement was absolutely retarded, and they should have known the botting would happen.

[TripleDES]

It needed work, but it never needed the NGE, hologrinds or doctor buffs. 

What the fuck? When we went on missions in the middle of nowhere, we were getting doctor buffed like +4000 on all HAM bars. Pre-NGE.

[Orba]

No comment from Lucas Arts or Bioware so far, looks like EA have jumped the gun a bit. I doubt if they will say anything at least until they have the tradmark sorted.

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