Malakili
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So what happens when a lot of people play klingons and there are no federation to fight? I'm guessing Federation will be the pve people and the klingons will attract the pvp crowd. Seems like they ahve separated the sheep and wolves too early.
More important is what happens to the Klingons' ability to progress after all the Federation people decide PVP is too frustrating? Answer: the only people who play the Klingons will bitch and whine and moan because there isn't any content and not enough sheep Federation PVPing. What a fucking retarded decision. I could've sworn the devs saying something months ago about there being Klingon intrafactional PvP, but I can't remember where. I think there was a post on the forums about it. Let me see if I can dig it up. |
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Triforcer
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They haven't even TESTED PvP with Klingons (or with anyone), and open beta is almost here. This is shaping up to be...fun.
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NowhereMan
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If there isn't at the start there will be pretty soon, which makes the whole thing even more retarded because you're going to end up with people playing the Klingons and fighting other Klingons in something that makes the Trammel/Felucca divide seem sensible and not at all weird. It's just going to seem odd when Klingons only ever really fight themselves while the Federation is exploring the galaxy and customising their bridges.
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UnSub
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Part of me sees some wisdom in separating PvE and PvP to a large degree - mixing the two is very hard.
Another, larger part sees that STO is going to crash very badly if Cryptic doesn't have all the basic systems lined up and adequately tested.
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d4rkj3di
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Original crew movie uniforms or GTFO.
If you buy Star Trek: The Original Series Season 3 on Blu-ray you get a code for those uniforms in STO. I'll probably be getting my copy from Amazon since all the pre-order and Collector's Edition crap is Federation oriented. At least I can use the Borg Engineering Officer on my Bird of Prey. Too bad there will be no cool old-school TOS D7's for Klingons. |
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tmp
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Details on the KlingonsBasically, "we couldn't make enough PvE content for two factions so let's copy LotRO and call it a Feature."
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MahrinSkel
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Original crew movie uniforms or GTFO.
If you buy Star Trek: The Original Series Season 3 on Blu-ray you get a code for those uniforms in STO. I'll probably be getting my copy from Amazon since all the pre-order and Collector's Edition crap is Federation oriented. At least I can use the Borg Engineering Officer on my Bird of Prey. Too bad there will be no cool old-school TOS D7's for Klingons. Okay, color me stupid: Why would anyone with the *slightest* bit of technical knowledge buy a Blu-ray version of any SDTV series, much less one that was shot when color TV was bleeding edge tech? I don't care how much remastering voodoo you try, you're not getting a 1080P version of "The Trouble With Tribbles" that doesn't look low-res and washed out. --Dave |
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jayfyve
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Okay, color me stupid: Why would anyone with the *slightest* bit of technical knowledge buy a Blu-ray version of any SDTV series, much less one that was shot when color TV was bleeding edge tech? I don't care how much remastering voodoo you try, you're not getting a 1080P version of "The Trouble With Tribbles" that doesn't look low-res and washed out.
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I think the original film would have a lot of detail if it was scanned in frame by frame. The Star Trek you see on tv is just a poor SDTV Telecine I believe. I watched "It's a Wonderfull Life" bluray recently, it looked great with lots of detail I'd never seen before. |
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Triforcer
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The Blu-Ray has the imperial walkers and dewback lizards.
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Sunbury
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Okay, color me stupid: Why would anyone with the *slightest* bit of technical knowledge buy a Blu-ray version of any SDTV series, much less one that was shot when color TV was bleeding edge tech? I don't care how much remastering voodoo you try, you're not getting a 1080P version of "The Trouble With Tribbles" that doesn't look low-res and washed out.
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I think the original film would have a lot of detail if it was scanned in frame by frame. The Star Trek you see on tv is just a poor SDTV Telecine I believe. I watched "It's a Wonderfull Life" bluray recently, it looked great with lots of detail I'd never seen before. The counter to that is whatever method AMC HD and TMC HD uses. I've been disappointed with the picture quality of every movie I watched on those channels. I know its not related to my TV or the feed, since when the little 'Mad Men' ad insert (or whatever) appears, it looks great in HD. |
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waylander
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More important is what happens to the Klingons' ability to progress after all the Federation people decide PVP is too frustrating? Answer: the only people who play the Klingons will bitch and whine and moan because there isn't any content and not enough sheep Federation PVPing.
What a fucking retarded decision.
They are going to have to put in intrafaction PVP or the whole thing will blow up. In CoH/CoV they tried for years to create incentives to get people to PVP in their game, and failed pretty significantly because PVP wasn't rewarding enough for people to bother with it. I guess we will see if they learned anything. |
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Triforcer
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Every Klingon ship, save one type, can cloak. That will make for fantastic pvp, especially Klingon v. Klingon  |
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tmp
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They are going to have to put in intrafaction PVP or the whole thing will blow up.
They are, apparently. "Players can engage in team vs. team, Federation vs. Klingon, Klingon vs. Klingon and Federation vs. Federation combat." |
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Draegan
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What the fuck is Fed vs Fed pvp? You mean "simulations"?
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NowhereMan
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Maybe they'll add in sub-factions and allow players to be hard-line Federation captains who think that the Klingons need to be wiped out and fight with the less war-like Federation types. Nothing that stupid could ever happen of course
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tazelbain
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Ya, that's what Star Trek is about.
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Lantyssa
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Every Klingon ship, save one type, can cloak. That will make for fantastic pvp, especially Klingon v. Klingon Kung'pow comms: "This game sucks! I can't ever find anyone to fight!" In'da'kisser comms: "I know, I've been searching for HOURS." <players zip past one another for the fortieth time> |
Hahahaha! I'm really good at this!
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Tannhauser
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Feds vs. Feds? Way to honor the IP Cryptic!
All of my friends can't wait to play this and form a fleet and we all go off exploring the galaxy....whee!
They don't know of the coming train wreck. I just don't have the heart to tell them of the shitburger Cryptic is throwing on the grill for us.
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Nevermore
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How quickly everyone forgets about the Maquis!
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Over and out.
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HaemishM
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Fuck's sake, that description of Klingon gameplay is so  worthy. The balancing whines alone will be shrill enough to SHATTER FUCKING GLASS. It will be a glorious funeral pyre to watch from afar. |
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raydeen
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Fuck all that. I want to be Jem'Hadar and fuck the shit out of all of them. Dominion FTW.
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Simond
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Daeven
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Fuck all that. I want to be Jem'Hadar and fuck the shit out of all of them. Dominion FTW.
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raydeen
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Fuck all that. I want to be Jem'Hadar and fuck the shit out of all of them. Dominion FTW.
What? I dug the Dominion. Those were the first truly badass aliens in ST. I can dream can't I? |
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Simond
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The Dominion lost.
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MahrinSkel
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When she crossed over, she was just a ship. But when she came back... she was bullshit!
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Okay, color me stupid: Why would anyone with the *slightest* bit of technical knowledge buy a Blu-ray version of any SDTV series, much less one that was shot when color TV was bleeding edge tech? I don't care how much remastering voodoo you try, you're not getting a 1080P version of "The Trouble With Tribbles" that doesn't look low-res and washed out.
--Dave
I think the original film would have a lot of detail if it was scanned in frame by frame. The Star Trek you see on tv is just a poor SDTV Telecine I believe. I watched "It's a Wonderfull Life" bluray recently, it looked great with lots of detail I'd never seen before. I doubt the original series was shot on film, it was at the beginning of the videotape era (1" reel to reel, at least). Even if it was, were the negatives or production print preserved? --Dave |
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rattran
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I think at least major portions were shot on film. The hddvd and blurays look good, not the stunning 'omg' clarity and detail of the remastered 1080p Space:1999, but significantly better than the sd. Well integrated new visual affects and such.
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Every Klingon ship, save one type, can cloak. That will make for fantastic pvp, especially Klingon v. Klingon federation v. sword rogues |
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Sunbury
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If they were clever, they would provide alternate universe servers, with FFA PvP - and everyone has a little beard.
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Sheepherder
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federation v. Mutilate rogues Fixed. |
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jayfyve
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I doubt the original series was shot on film, it was at the beginning of the videotape era (1" reel to reel, at least). Even if it was, were the negatives or production print preserved?
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According to IMDB it was. Film negative format (mm/video inches)
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Venkman
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Ya, that's what Star Trek is about.
Err, yea, that's what some of Star Trek has been about (that TNG episode with the Cardassians, Star Trek VI, probably TOS episode or two I can't remember). Not the main purpose of the Federation, but that "purpose" suffered at the whim of gag-of-the-week writing anyway. |
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palmer_eldritch
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I'm going to try this game. I'm going to be a Klingon and blow all of you up.
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Sir T
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Not sure if this has been posted before but there's a new trailer out... now with Leonard Nimoy!
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