Darkfall "Released"

[Speedy Cerviche]

I'm gonna try and get another trial account before I commit to it. I did have 1 trial but school got nuts and I didn't get to play as much as I liked. Gonna see if I can install it one more time. Last time I really enjoyed it. Is crafting worth a damn in the game or is it mostly dropped (or no-drop) shit being the best?

Crafting is of medium importance. Mob drop armour is garbage but mob drop weapons are decent, they've added more rare ore to game recently so prices have fallen which has been a boost to crafters since it ups demand for high end gear by lowering costs (especially vs. crummier mob drop equivalent). It's always nice to be able to supply yourself and is pretty easy to get crafting up to a level where you can craft most gear besides high end (which is a major investment). I don't bother since most clans/alliances will have crafters who will make your gear at cost. They've talked about making most new items crafter only to boost the professions.

[Soulflame]

That's a brilliant idea.

1.  It'll force everyone to be a crafter in order to be competitive.
2.  It'll be yet another barrier to entry to new players, as they won't be able to wield the best weapons until they grind their crafting, on top of whatever other grinding is involved with becoming combat-ready.

[Malakili]

2.  It'll be yet another barrier to entry to new players, as they won't be able to wield the best weapons until they grind their crafting, on top of whatever other grinding is involved with becoming combat-ready.

Yes, the game isn't for people who want to play an MMO solo, we get it. You guys are all effectively arguing that football sucks because you can't play by yourself.

[jakonovski]

Yes, the game isn't for people who want to play an MMO solo, we get it. You guys are all effectively arguing that football sucks because you can't play by yourself.

But in football you're not dropped into the field alone and naked, needing to find equipment and a friendly team before bunch of guys in armor come beat you up.

[Shatter]

Yes, the game isn't for people who want to play an MMO solo, we get it. You guys are all effectively arguing that football sucks because you can't play by yourself.

But in football you're not dropped into the field alone and naked, needing to find equipment and a friendly team before bunch of guys in armor come beat you up.

Sounds like a plot for some gay prison pron

[jakonovski]

Sounds like a plot for some gay prison pron

Gay prison pron, pvp mmos, what's the difference?

[patience]

One set of actors already realize they are homos.

[Chinchilla]

That's a brilliant idea.

1.  It'll force everyone to be a crafter in order to be competitive.
2.  It'll be yet another barrier to entry to new players, as they won't be able to wield the best weapons until they grind their crafting, on top of whatever other grinding is involved with becoming combat-ready.

So would I rather camp or do raids fr hours on end in hopes of better gear?  I personally wouldn't. Why does it always have to be about using the best?

[Merusk]

Because being #2 just means you're the #1 loser.

[Vinadil]

I was in a clan most of my DFO days... so my experience was not quite the normal noob experience.  But, I DID spend time in noob areas as you almost have to in order to sell stuff on the market.  Making enough money to buy good armor and weapons was about a 2-3 hour prospect at worst.  Sure its not the BEST armor and weapons you can ever have, but I have never used that metric for any game I have played.  I will never fly the "best" fitted ship in EVE, but I still enjoy the game, even the PvP aspects.

Whether enjoyable for certain people or not, the noob experience in DFO has definitely gotten better since launch.  The biggest things missing (in my opinion) are things that EVE got right long ago... things like a channel for noobs, and putting new players into a NPC Corp or doing something to try to connect them and get them hunting/mining/questing together.

[WayAbvPar]

Looks like there is a 14 day trial for this. I am downloading the client now. If it wasn't skill-based advancement I wouldn't bother, but I am gonna give it a shot and see how I feel.

[ashrik]

Do you have a clan ready for you?

[WayAbvPar]

Not at the moment. I will probably join up with the goons if they are still active.

[Speedy Cerviche]

You don't need great gear to compete in DF so making gear player crafted is hardly another curbstomp newbies. The difference between mob dropped higher end stuff and super elite crafted stuff is marginal, you are talking 10-30% more effective with really high end crafted weapons/armour full of enchants, and it's about 10-15 times more expensive to run around like that. Yes the super gear can bring you a nice edge in 1v1 fights but you are risking a lot of cash (we are talking guys equipped with gearsets of value equal to a small warship), and you will go down generally just as quickly in any kind of larger engagement, especially since guys will probably be focused on you since they can see you are decked out and basically a walking high end treasure chest.

This weekend I spent maybe 4 hours of PvEing and collected enough high end mob dropped bows (rank 50 and 60) to last me weeks, a good number of axes too, last me a while. My clan brings newer guys along with us on these hunts too and they get equal shares. Standard combat armour and weapons are very easy to acquire, and decent clans will make sure newer guys are hooked up, it's very embarrassing for any decent clan to have members in the field using ghetto newbie gear, even newbies shouldn't be using less than rank 40 weapons.

Now if you don't want to find a clan, and instead want to play the game in the most frustrating way possible, then come back to forums and complain about how bad it is, and crack gay jokes about it, go ahead, DF probably isn't for you anyways stick to WoW where you don't have to aim, think or deal with any negative consequences to actions while you play.

[Nebu]

Now if you don't want to find a clan, and instead want to play the game in the most frustrating way possible, then come back to forums and complain about how bad it is, and crack gay jokes about it, go ahead, DF probably isn't for you anyways stick to WoW where you don't have to aim, think or deal with any negative consequences to actions while you play.

Was this even necessary?  Seriously.  I think you may be taking this whole gaming stuff a wee bit too personally.

[Nightblade]

Now if you don't want to find a clan, and instead want to play the game in the most frustrating way possible, then come back to forums and complain about how bad it is, and crack gay jokes about it, go ahead, DF probably isn't for you anyways stick to WoW where you don't have to aim, think or deal with any negative consequences to actions while you play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HET1ITJLROI


Repeat above seven thousand times and maybe you can look at a veteran player without exploding. Sign me up.

[Chinchilla]

Now if you don't want to find a clan, and instead want to play the game in the most frustrating way possible, then come back to forums and complain about how bad it is, and crack gay jokes about it, go ahead, DF probably isn't for you anyways stick to WoW where you don't have to aim, think or deal with any negative consequences to actions while you play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HET1ITJLROI


Repeat above seven thousand times and maybe you can look at a veteran player without exploding. Sign me up.

I honestly didn't mind doing the crafting or gathering while I was doing the trail.  Generally I would go AFK while I was mining or whatever.  Does that make that style of gathering OK?  Not really, but every game I have played has been the same with gathering so it is pretty much a standard thing.  If you don't like it... then don't do it.

[Nightblade]

I honestly didn't mind doing the crafting or gathering while I was doing the trail.  Generally I would go AFK while I was mining or whatever.

Fun Fact: You could have actually been banned for that.

Does that make that style of gathering OK?  Not really, but every game I have played has been the same with gathering so it is pretty much a standard thing.  If you don't like it... then don't do it.

To be fair, the above just looks like an average crafting/gathering video; but what that video doesn't tell you is the fact that gathering is directly tied to how strong your character is. Not only that, but the rate at which mining / chopping / glass blowing / dildo practice raises whatever skill it raises is "too fucking slow" to be put it charitably.

[Hawkbit]

By dildo practice, you mean combat?

[Rishathra]

I'm missing the context here.  To me it looks like this dwarf mined a rock for a few seconds and then enjoyed the scenery for a few seconds.  I haven't played Darkfall so I honestly don't know.

[Malakili]

I'm missing the context here.  To me it looks like this dwarf mined a rock for a few seconds and then enjoyed the scenery for a few seconds.  I haven't played Darkfall so I honestly don't know.

You gain stats (like Strength) by doing stuff, including mining.  The issue he was bringing up was that even if you odn't like crafting you end up doing a lot of mundance tasks like mining in order to raise your stats.

[WayAbvPar]

Welp, looks like the goons are only 11 strong (at least in the clan name I knew). Anyone else want a n00b?

[Malakili]

Welp, looks like the goons are only 11 strong (at least in the clan name I knew). Anyone else want a n00b?

I don't play anymore but when I was playing there was a clan called NEW (New Born on Agon) that accepted newbies for 30 days to let them get their feet wet in a clan environment while they found a more permanent home.  Not sure if they still exist, but worth looking for if you can't find another option quickly.

[Lantyssa]

Welp, looks like the goons are only 11 strong (at least in the clan name I knew). Anyone else want a n00b?

The Goons can only muster eleven people for a game?  Ouch.

[WayAbvPar]

They may have splintered into a few more clans...still investigating. Last post in the thread was in April though, so I am not terribly hopeful.

[Vinadil]

Not sure the Goons survived the EU/NA server split... at least not in any force.  They were the main "evil" force on the first server (EU), and did their normal forum/in-game warfare in full effect with hundreds of players.  I have never seen them in that kind of light on the NA server.

I would suggest NEW also, I think they exist on NA as well as EU, and much like EVE, Darkfall is just a completely different experience when you are in an active clan rather than running around solo doing quests and such.

[Speedy Cerviche]

There is some stat grinding in Darkfall, harvesting being one method, no you will not be banned for AFK harvesting, only for 3rd party program macroing. A good way to raise a bunch of stats quickly is just to auto-swim into a wall all night and day while at work, you wont be banned, maybe just kicked by a GM. Personally I like the harvesting system in Darkfall it is pretty chill. When you are semi-afk watching TV, movie, browsing web, or just doing some other work or chores around house you can go to an area with a lot of metal, wood, herbs, fish, etc. and just leave your guy hitting a node and check back every 10-15 minutes. Nice for when you are hungover or just feeling too lazy to do anything intense. You might get killed depending on where you are and if you are unlucky but easy come easy go, just bank often if you are worried.

The Goons splintered on NA, some leadership fractures. Most of their best players were in “Awful Company Part Deux“ which was kicking around with VAMPs alliance. I cannot seem to find them anymore so maybe they have completely folded into one of the larger clans in that alliance.

NEW is a decent option to get you started if you dont know what you are doing.

[Lantyssa]

There is some stat grinding in Darkfall, harvesting being one method, no you will not be banned for AFK harvesting, only for 3rd party program macroing. A good way to raise a bunch of stats quickly is just to auto-swim into a wall all night and day while at work, you wont be banned, maybe just kicked by a GM. Personally I like the harvesting system in Darkfall it is pretty chill. When you are semi-afk watching TV, movie, browsing web, or just doing some other work or chores around house you can go to an area with a lot of metal, wood, herbs, fish, etc. and just leave your guy hitting a node and check back every 10-15 minutes. Nice for when you are hungover or just feeling too lazy to do anything intense. You might get killed depending on where you are and if you are unlucky but easy come easy go, just bank often if you are worried.

What you described sounds like a fun and exciting PvP action!  Why aren't we all playing this game!?

[Vinadil]

Eh, harvesting is harvesting... compare it to killing rocks in EVE and it is pretty similar, just a bit more dangerous if you are out in the wild as you don't have a nice system window to tell you when someone comes into the area with intent to kill.

You raise stats by fighting as well as harvesting... and the ability to "auto-harvest" sure beats a system where you actively attack a rock...

As for the swimming/running stuff... personally I think it is cheesy, but guys do it and the code allows it.  I suppose the stat gain gives people an advantage, but if you actually play the game then your stats will go up quickly enough.

[WayAbvPar]

Awful Company Part Deux was the one that had 11 members. Looks like there are more in Reds, so I hooked up with them.

Finally started getting the hang of the game last night. Was wandering around the goblin village near Stonebrook and got jumped by several goblins. Died horribly, so had to hike back to loot my corpse. Died again. Got a bit smarter and managed to partially loot my corpse the 3rd trip, but died again. Then I smartened up and started using hit and run tactics, which helped crank up my Lesser Magic stats (since it was the only way I could do ranged damage). Killed a few gobs, then got all my corpses looted. Backed off, re-equipped, and spent the next hour murdering goblins. Of course, I forgot to skin any of them, so I still need to go back to get some teeth for a quest, but I am definitely more confident/capable now.

[Mrbloodworth]

Hows performance and what settings are you using?

[Nija]

Hows performance and what settings are you using?

If you can run quake 2 you can run DF.

[Speedy Cerviche]

Shadows are a big hog, also this odd graphical feature called "post process effect" which doesn't seem to do much besides outline models a little. If your machine is struggling you should disable both of those and gain around a solid 50 fps.

it's funny I got my butt kicked by goblins too the first time I logged in, something you don't expect in a MMO at the first mob you encounter. Once you figure out what you are doing it's fine tho.

[WayAbvPar]

My machine is about a year old and I am running it on high settings with no problems.

[WindupAtheist]

A good way to raise a bunch of stats quickly is just to auto-swim into a wall all night and day while at work, you wont be banned, maybe just kicked by a GM. Personally I like the harvesting system in Darkfall it is pretty chill. When you are semi-afk watching TV, movie, browsing web, or just doing some other work or chores around house you can go to an area with a lot of metal, wood, herbs, fish, etc. and just leave your guy hitting a node and check back every 10-15 minutes.

Pfffffbwaahahahaha... Yeah I'll be in a WoW battleground lamenting the fact that I'm playing an easy game that doesn't make me work/think/whatever the hell you said instead of enjoying the intense and awesome world of Darkfall.