Darkfall "Released"

[LC]

"Normal Mines" produce something like 5 - 10 leenspar ingots per day. It takes 10 of those to build a warhulk construction module. I think you need 50 modules to build the good warhulk. So 50 days of mining minimum to get one. If you lose connection for any reason, you lose the warhulk.

[K9]

leenspar

Darkfall is a definite contender in the "stupidest named resource" category.

[tmp]

So 50 days of mining minimum to get one. If you lose connection for any reason, you lose the warhulk.

[gryeyes]

The hardest of the hardcore.

[UnSub]

So 50 days of mining minimum to get one. If you lose connection for any reason, you lose the warhulk.

Player-driven economy!
Meaningful crafting experience!
Player actions impact the world!

... sorry, just vomiting up MMO buzz-phrases that seem relevant.

[Rake]

If I was the one losing connection during this crafting, I'd be vomiting blood.

[Falconeer]

I heard vomiting blood is a side effect of the Darkfall experience, not necessarily related to disconnections. Me, it's when I realized I was scratching my ears to the point of flaming pain that I decided four hours were more than enough. Darkfall is like taking expired antibiotics to cure the wrong illness.

[schild]

Darkfall is like taking expired antibiotics to cure the wrong illness.

So, it's like Friday night. Noted.

[patience]

Something I came across in FOH.

"one of the big guilds gets caught endorsing exploiting/hacking and it gets posted on the forums... then the amateur hour volunteer mods who are in said accused guild delete every single thread about it and ban people from the forums, justifying it by saying its against a new rule that they made up and posted a few minutes after the story broke. Games lvl of unprofessionalism is just comedy gold at this point."

I was amused when someone alluded to Aventurine being anything like CCP with this latest incident.

CCP pr sucks in certain ways but Aventurine they are not. And I was seriously thinking this game would be a good alternative to EvE. I was wrong and I'm ok with admitting you lot were right.

[UnSub]

That's what you get when you play on private servers. 

[LC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeUoOWRFa4g

Is the hacking endorsement chat.

[gryeyes]

Excellent was hoping for more cursing and crying tho.

[NiX]

I was wrong and I'm ok with admitting you lot were right.

I've requested you be banned for admitting we were right.

[tazelbain]

I was wrong and I'm ok with admitting you lot were right.

I've requested you be banned for admitting we were right.

I've requested you lose your pee-colored name for admitting you requested a ban.

[NiX]

Poppycock!

[patience]

Poppycock!

[cmlancas]

Nix, what the fuck is Seacrest Gentle doing as your avatar?

What do you call what he's doing?  A doucheclap?

[LC]

Looks like things might be going bad for Aventurine. As of this morning all negative posts being made in the forums are being deleted. I've been watching threads vanish for the last hour. I have had 3 of my posts deleted. None of my posts violated any of their forum rules.

[Falconeer]

I think they made enough money out of that mudpile to be utterly satisfied. They probably settled on having a nice cool summer somewhere fancy while leaving the server on just in case someone feels like dropping them a few more bucks.

[SnakeCharmer]

Looks like things might be going bad for Aventurine

Gee.

Ya think?

[Mrbloodworth]

Looks like things might be going bad for Aventurine. As of this morning all negative posts being made in the forums are being deleted. I've been watching threads vanish for the last hour. I have had 3 of my posts deleted. None of my posts violated any of their forum rules.

You get what you pay for? (MOD wise)

[ashrik]

The general forums have been absolute crap there for the past few weeks.

Mind you, not the same type of absolute crap we've witnessed there for years now. It's just that every other thread is some variation of "this game is dying and Aventurine DOESN'T CARE"

The direction in which you're circling the drain likely depends on which hemisphere you're in.

[WayAbvPar]

Shocked. Shocked I am that this house of cards tards is collapsing.

[UnSub]

I think they made enough money out of that mudpile to be utterly satisfied. They probably settled on having a nice cool summer somewhere fancy while leaving the server on just in case someone feels like dropping them a few more bucks.

I don't for one minute think this was some kind of scam. The people who worked on Darkfall truly wanted to make a MMO that harkened back to UO and a style of gameplay that didn't coddle players.

The end result isn't surprising and - even if all server / engine issues didn't exist - ignores the fact that for a hardcore game to succeed you need a population of sheep for the wolves to prey on. There is a very small minority of players who are looking to be sheep and a lot of wannabe wolves who found out the hard way that there are others more hardcore than them.

Now, someone somewhere might have made money out of DF, but I don't think the entire company is walking away with teh moneyz from this.

[gryeyes]

Isn't the entire company like 4 guys?

[DLRiley]

Taso, Taso, Taso, code monkey 

[Falconeer]

I think they made enough money out of that mudpile to be utterly satisfied. They probably settled on having a nice cool summer somewhere fancy while leaving the server on just in case someone feels like dropping them a few more bucks.

I don't for one minute think this was some kind of scam.
[...]
Now, someone somewhere might have made money out of DF, but I don't think the entire company is walking away with teh moneyz from this.

No that's not what I meant. My point being more like: they made money right out of the box (am I wrong or they got money from the Greek government too?), but they knew Darkfall had no real future, other than people staying even if you beat them in the nuts. Since those guys aren't leaving anyway, there's no need to spend too much energy on the game anymore. So, summertime! Fuck it, let's spend those money we have worked the last 7 years for!

Basically, I could be wrong and they could be sweating their asses off, but my take is they got (and did) what they could. Now it's slowly dying and they are taking it easier.

[IainC]

No that's not what I meant. My point being more like: they made money right out of the box (am I wrong or they got money from the Greek government too?), but they knew Darkfall had no real future, other than people staying even if you beat them in the nuts. Since those guys aren't leaving anyway, there's no need to spend too much energy on the game anymore. So, summertime! Fuck it, let's spend those money we have worked the last 7 years for!

Basically, I could be wrong and they could be sweating their asses off, but my take is they got (and did) what they could. Now it's slowly dying and they are taking it easier.

I don't know. I'm not sure that you could amortise the cost of development from what? A few tens of thousands of box sales and a smaller number of subs? I know the team wasn't very big for most of the development cysle and probably isn't very big even now but still I don't see that they are going to be recouping their costs as fast as that.

[Mrbloodworth]

AFAIK, the only verifiable number. Is 10 million $ That, is at least a baseline cost of this game (if not more of the 8 years it took to make).

Anyway: This was rather interesting. (MMORPG.com warning)

[ashrik]

The forums are near-apocalyptic with their musings over Darkfall's future. The replies of every "I quit" post used to be a lively mix of 'go back 2 wow carebear' and 'good fucking riddance'. Now there is a very strong streak of "we're all going to be playing alone in an empty world, soon" mixed in with there.

heh but I don't think you hounds will see the failure bomb drop on this one for several more months, yet.

[Mrbloodworth]

I am more than willing to take them over the river to the graveyard.



I feel the time is soon.

[gryeyes]

So that re-review never materialized?

[Merusk]

I don't know. I'm not sure that you could amortise the cost of development from what? A few tens of thousands of box sales and a smaller number of subs? I know the team wasn't very big for most of the development cysle and probably isn't very big even now but still I don't see that they are going to be recouping their costs as fast as that.

Unless they were personally financing it, why would they worry about recouping the costs?  Company becomes insolvent, declares bankrupcy and the liquidation pays the creditors whatever it can.  They walk away with whatever they saved from their last 7 years of salary.  So long as they can prove they wanted to be a solvent company, and didn't try to tank it how can this backfire on them?

[Typhon]

Who works for 7 years to have one crappy failure on their resume?  Who thinks that is a 'win'?  I'm clearly missing your point.

[Merusk]

Who works for 7 years to have one crappy failure on their resume?  Who thinks that is a 'win'?  I'm clearly missing your point.

Oh, I'm sorry, were we being serious about this failure now? I thought we were doing random speculation and top of the head bullshitting because that's about three times the brainpower analysis of it deserves.