Darkfall "Released"

[apocrypha]

Oh the folly of making a persistent world pvp game. There is quite literally no way players in and of themselves can be the sole source of content in a persistent world pvp enviorment. The space available will always be greater than the amount of players online to fill that space, which means if you log on and wanted a pvp match you have to actively look for one. In that time between looking for someone to kill and finding that person, the player has spent that time in game doing nothing. Players doing nothing equals lack of content, which means the game will probably empty players faster than it retains. A big empty world with nothing to do is pretty much a big empty world with nothing to do, without half decent pve the game is pretty much is asking you to wait a unknown period of time until the game actually starts.

....and yet EVE grows every single year.

Darkfall is just doing it wrong. Question about these pvp vids: are the people making them and putting them on YouTube attempting to show how great the game is, how great they are or are they just posting them to mock the game?

[slog]

Eve has Safe Zones.  Don't underestimate their importance.

[Threash]

How many actual players do they have so far? 10k? more?

[Mrbloodworth]

Lets play spot the faulty logic!

[Triforcer]

I don't get it.

[Nebu]

Now we don't mind people bitching about getting this even better...

Do I win?

[rk47]

I thought falconeer's joking about the limited offer selling. But really..what the fuck? Limited copies a day?! I'd buy one and ebay it right away.

[Hindenburg]

If they log everything and they'll ban you even if you cheated once and stopped, why bother stopping?

[Azaroth]

I really doubt anyone does.

[Mrbloodworth]

Do I win?

We cannot refund game items under no circumstances, this is Darkfall policy. We are working on making it so that you don’t lose any if we need to bring down the server and you’re still in-game.

That's one.

[Vash]

Lets play spot the faulty logic!

Is it where he claims they have infinite logs of every action of every player and they are constantly going through them to catch cheaters/hacks but then later in the same post says items can't be restored because having someone go through logs is a waste of thier time when they could be fixing the game?

Sounds like he's pretty much admitting they don't bother looking at logs so his whole we will catch you if you cheat better stop now and pray for the best BS was just a weak threat to try and scare some people into stopping.  Full speed ahead and keep those 3rd party programs running as long as there is no GM looking over your shoulder.   

[Azaroth]

As far as I know, they use volunteer players as their GMs. How could they possibly have the manpower to review logs.

[K9]

I was wondering what the problem with Virgin was yesterday.

[Segoris]

Sounds like he's pretty much admitting they don't bother looking at logs so his whole we will catch you if you cheat better stop now and pray for the best BS was just a weak threat to try and scare some people into stopping.  Full speed ahead and keep those 3rd 3d party programs running as long as there is no GM looking over your shoulder.   

FIFY, that 3d vs 3rd was bugging the crap out of me the whole time I was reading this. And yes to the ebay comment. Why the hell not? I wonder if it could get as profitable as the old WoW CE 

[Shatter]

Do they actually expect people to believe they have people policing this now lol.  I mean cmon, it ook over 8 years to launch in the state its in.  We already know they have like no CS staff and their GM's are volunteers who Im sure are spending all their free time doing their job well.  They didnt even program in any type of warden.  Lastly, they didnt even have people to update their own webpage.  THEY HAVE NO STAFF..Sploit away!

[Falconeer]

I thought falconeer's joking about the limited offer selling. But really..what the fuck? Limited copies a day?! I'd buy one and ebay it right away.

I am not joking.
And people tried that, but no one is paying a cent more than retail price anyway.

[Nebu]

And people tried that, but no one is paying a cent more than retail price anyway.

I bet it's because of the economy!

[Falconeer]

THe shortage only created a mild request, but the main point of it, as I stated before, is control.

[tmp]

I like that part where people with character name the GMs won't like are told to delete their characters and start from scratch or face getting banned from game, period. I suppose the concept of having the character renamed is not hardcore enough. 

[Mrbloodworth]

Lets play spot the faulty logic!

Is it where he claims they have infinite logs of every action of every player and they are constantly going through them to catch cheaters/hacks but then later in the same post says items can't be restored because having someone go through logs is a waste of thier time when they could be fixing the game?

Sounds like he's pretty much admitting they don't bother looking at logs so his whole we will catch you if you cheat better stop now and pray for the best BS was just a weak threat to try and scare some people into stopping.  Full speed ahead and keep those 3rd party programs running as long as there is no GM looking over your shoulder.   

The post basically says "we're right, you're wrong, and oh by the way here are new naming rules, and we won't give back anything that you lost because even though we have logs of everything, we don't have logs of what was lost.

[tmp]

The post basically says "we're right, you're wrong, and oh by the way here are new naming rules, and we won't give back anything that you lost because even though we have logs of everything, we don't have logs of what was lost.

It's not even they don't have logs of what was lost; they say that while yes they do have logs of everything, they just have better things to do (fix bugs) than verify claims of lost items and such.

Of course why it's the programmers supposed to go through logs and return items rather than CS, is anybody's guess.

[kildorn]

It says they do have logs of what you lost, but the programmers are too busy to look into them.

Which implies that only the programmers have access to the logs, and they're the only people who could do anything with them, ergo it's unpossible to get caught for cheating due to server side flagging.

Player GMs having access to all the server logs of everything would be hi-larious however. Excuse me while I go skim for exploiters in my rival guild's officer chat.

[Lantyssa]

Of course why it's the programmers supposed to go through logs and return items rather than CS, is anybody's guess.

The programmers are also CS...

[Mrbloodworth]

[Der Helm]

I just love how that admin message implies that they are unable to fix it, if you are a victim of that bug. 

[Azaroth]

What I love is how incredibly unprofessional everything is.

[raydeen]

If it's dark in said dungeon when I fall then at least the game is living up to it's name.

[Redgiant]

I just love how that admin message implies that they are unable to fix it, if you are a victim of that bug. 

Admin message: Logoff now or fall forever.



I still haven't seen anything remotely un-shitty posted about DF gameplay. Every video looks like the previous one with these combinations as all I see:
1. Same avatar glowing blue hand missile.
2. Same avatar shoots bow.
3. Same avatar idot jumping around to avoid bow.
4. Same gangbang of avatars repeating a 2-frame overhead whack animation on some boxed in other same avatar.

Did I miss anything?

[tmp]

I just love how that admin message implies that they are unable to fix it, if you are a victim of that bug. 

They probably aren't. At launch plenty people who got their characters stuck and unable to load had to delete these chars and start new ones.

Leads me to believe their tools to move the players in game are as developed as the tools to rename them.

[Tmon]

I just love how that admin message implies that they are unable to fix it, if you are a victim of that bug. 

Admin message: Logoff now or fall forever.



I still haven't seen anything remotely un-shitty posted about DF gameplay. Every video looks like the previous one with these combinations as all I see:
1. Same avatar glowing blue hand missile.
2. Same avatar shoots bow.
3. Same avatar idot jumping around to avoid bow.
4. Same gangbang of avatars repeating a 2-frame overhead whack animation on some boxed in other same avatar.

Did I miss anything?

I believe at some point someone will shoot an arrow (or was it a lightening bolt) from their ass.

[Nebu]

What I love is how incredibly unprofessional hardcore everything is.

FIFY

[ashrik]

The thought of someone falling forever, unstoppable by the actions of mods afterwards, is just hilarious to me.

Because of the unchangeable font, people who couldn't get names like Michelle and instead opted for MicheIIe are told to delete and start anew or risk being banned. Mods/Ops/whatever changing your name, even if self-reported, is not an option. It's like every action is balanced on some kind of tenuous thread. One day I'll just be Darkfalling Forever

[Mrbloodworth]

Who needs walking?

[WayAbvPar]

If it's dark in said dungeon when I fall then at least the game is living up to it's name.

God, that screenshot pretty much sums up exactly how clownshoes this gang is. Predictable fail is predictable.

[Falconeer]

If you didn't play it, you have NO idea how clownshoes this PoS really is. Screenshots don't do shit justice.