Darkfall "Released"

[Signe]

I'm so confused.     I think I'm having brain stutters or mind warps or something.  I need to rest my hair.

[ashrik]

finish the tutorial

Haha! Good one! You almost had me until your filthy carebear ways shown through!

[Redgiant]

I'm as skeptical as anyone about this game even being released, but I'll admit this HD cap looks better than I thought they had it at, including animations.

Of course that means next to nothing overall but at least this seems beyond the Dawn category and Horizons quality bar.

Now if you can actually hide by crawling or ducking extremely low in all that tall grass, I'd be somewhat impressed.

And I REALLY can't believe they are sticking with no head rotation to even look 90 degrees laterally (like a humanoid can do) unless resting or riding. I wonder how all the real wars in history would have turned out if everyone had a rigid neckbrace on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hrp0B5FCDk&fmt=22

[btw, the resolution clarity is better when viewed on the youtube site itself]

[ashrik]

What's an HD cap?

[Nonentity]

High-density cap.

None of these wool stocking caps, we're going fucking KEVLAR for this bad boy.

[tmp]

I'm as skeptical as anyone about this game even being released, but I'll admit this HD cap looks better than I thought they had it at, including animations.

Check around 1:15-1:20 and then 1:35-1:40 in that video. The only way for that run cycle to be any worse would be if the legs didn't move at all.

and it's not like reference material is difficult to find on the intrawebs...

[kildorn]

They have a nice environment artist.

Anything that moves looks like ass, however.

[sidereal]

Now if you can actually hide by crawling or ducking extremely low in all that tall grass, I'd be somewhat impressed.

You'll be impressed until 15 minutes after launch when half the players have an exploit that makes the grass transparent so -- oops -- you aren't hiding anymore.

Must we learn these lessons over and over again?

[SnakeCharmer]

Wouldn't that 'exploit' be just turning down flora and grass textures to low or off?

[Fordel]

Now if you can actually hide by crawling or ducking extremely low in all that tall grass, I'd be somewhat impressed.

You'll be impressed until 15 minutes after launch when half the players have an exploit that makes the grass transparent so -- oops -- you aren't hiding anymore.

Must we learn these lessons over and over again?

Sorry what was that? I was turning my Gamma way up.

[Vehementi]

Now if you can actually hide by crawling or ducking extremely low in all that tall grass, I'd be somewhat impressed.

You'll be impressed until 15 minutes after launch when half the players have an exploit that makes the grass transparent so -- oops -- you aren't hiding anymore.

Must we learn these lessons over and over again?

Sorry what was that? I was turning my Gamma way up.

Fucking hacker

[Nonentity]

gl_modulate 40

SHADOWS? WHAT ARE THOSE

YOU ARE FULLBRIGHT

[Zzulo]

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=14CrMGhRv1Y


Here's some beta gameplay I think

[Baldrake]

What, you mean the mob doesn't stand still until you pummel it into the ground? Haven't they ever played an MMO before??

[Signe]

That's from those Italian friends of the lead guy and those character models look more and more awful.  What ten-year old did them?  Anyway, if it's actual gameplay,, where's the UI?  Who plays without it?

[Zzulo]

I'm just guessing here, but I think they disabled the UI so you wouldn't see the persons info

[Nonentity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnsG-_CJnO0

There's one with the actual UI turned on.

Love the spellcasting sounds - electric train engine into plate dropping on ground from Diablo series.

[kildorn]

That's gameplay from five years ago, right? They're not planning on releasing a game that looks like a high school rendition of Savage, right?

[Mrbloodworth]

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=14CrMGhRv1Y


Here's some beta gameplay I think

"That's a lot of chasing for one kill." was my first thought.

[Ratman_tf]

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=14CrMGhRv1Y


Here's some beta gameplay I think

"That's a lot of chasing for one kill." was my first thought.

But it's twitch! That makes it fun!

[SnakeCharmer]

"That's a lot of chasing for one kill." was my first thought.

"Looks like ass" was mine.

[Rendakor]

Wow. A game where the mobs play like 12 year old WoW rogues.

[patience]

Wow. A game where the mobs play like 12 year old WoW rogues.

Correction! You mean they fight (sort of) like people.

Of all the criticisms that could be levied against Darkfall I can't stand anyone who thinks ANY game shouldn't advance AI

[tmp]

Of all the criticisms that could be levied against Darkfall I can't stand anyone who thinks ANY game shouldn't advance AI

Advanced AI can be fun if it doesn't come together with "slaughter million goblins for cash to get anything" taken straight from the Korean grindfest.

[kildorn]

Honestly, improved humanoid AI would require a cover system, and XP for participating in the fight, not actually killing.

Since the AI would duck behind a wall and get the fuck out of dodge if it didn't outnumber you.

[DLRiley]

Advance AI assumes that the gameplay is fun...

[Rendakor]

Mobs running around in circles is advanced?  Do we need to play the "single player games are way ahead of MMOs" card again?

[tmp]

Mobs running around in circles is advanced?  Do we need to play the "single player games are way ahead of MMOs" card again?

You can, but since it's not new in the MMOs either there's no point to be made here.

[Lantyssa]

Seems like playing an archer or spell caster would really suck with how much things run around in an odd fashion.  I can hit a running target with a rifle more often than not, but hitting anything in that game would be pure luck.

[DLRiley]

Seems like playing an archer or spell caster would really suck with how much things run around in an odd fashion.  I can hit a running target with a rifle more often than not, but hitting anything in that game would be pure luck.

Doesn't slow twitched base range system works swell when everyone can hop around like bunnies. 

[Jayce]

A lot of the core gameplay we have now stems from dumb AI.  Like have to kill ten million of one thing to advance.  If (for example) the AI was challenging enough that you had to sink the same time into a single mob as (say) a WOW guild spends downing their first raid boss, that one mob better give you instant multiple levels.

Also, why are they wasting great AI on a PvP game?  The point of the mobs/xp/grind aspect of a PvP game is that they're a resource, not some great challenge to overcome.  They should be as challenging as harvesting wheat unless they are the point of the game.



BTW - Vehementi - are you the same Vehementi from AC Darktide early days?

[patience]

Also, why are they wasting great AI on a PvP game?  The point of the mobs/xp/grind aspect of a PvP game is that they're a resource, not some great challenge to overcome.  They should be as challenging as harvesting wheat unless they are the point of the game.

1. Principle: Developers should like to push forward their craft.
2. To make a viable practice tool.
3. Immersion. A world where NPCs don't act like real people pulls you out of the game.
4. PvE isn't just a resource to some pvpers. They want the challenge of fighting PvE mobs ramped up by developing strategies to protect themselves from PKers and other PvPers interested in the mob. These people also demand for better AI from mobs to ensure it's not just pvpers offering a challenge.
5. Even people who view mobs as just another resource to harvest can't stand how mind numbing brain dead AI is, because it makes resource collection too boring. (See Eve Online forums) If they loved braindead mobs they would have no problem mining or gathering but they prefer to avoid that too because it's not a combat scenario.



Please tell me why I actually had to explain something this obvious?

Do we need to play the "single player games are way ahead of MMOs" card again?

Please play this card and I'll shred it up; because the majority of singleplayer games take advantage of the limited amount of space AI have to move in.


MMO AI programming is much harder, so some allowances have to be made.

[SnakeCharmer]

What MMOG's have you programmed the AI into?

[patience]

Didn't need to design one to understand it is going to be a lot harder to pull off the same things in an offline game.

[SnakeCharmer]

Ah.  Ok.  Gotcha.