Darkfall "Released"

[gryeyes]

That was one pompous interview given the games history and what it looks like. Does anyone know if they still intend to charge 15 bucks a month. I just cant see them expecting customers to pay a AAA title fee for this game.

[Mrbloodworth]

I can't wait until the game releases. And Tacos vomits on the player base.

I usually root for the underdog/indi game developer with a passion. This one, doesn't even have my level of support.

Game sound iffy, even on paper.

[Nija]

I can't wait until the game releases. And Tacos vomits on the player base.

Don't worry. If he doesn't come through for you guys, L-C and I will be there vomiting on people instead.

[mutantmagnet]

Wow I don't even have the energy to point out all the hilarity in that interview.  Maybe I should watch the stick-up-her-ass run animations again for lulz.

You shouldn't point out everything we can take turns.

The one that made me choke on a biscuit the fastest.

"Another red flag is Darkfall's large, active and very passionate community. A lot of communities would like to be like Darkfall's. Slandering our game is a way to get a reaction."

Yes I'm sure devs want a community as abrasive as the Darkfall community.

And Tacos vomits on the player base.

He's done that already. There was a huge flamewar over his professionalism and how he represents the company last year. For better or worse the dev team love this guy being their mouthpiece.

[Venkman]

Wait wait, I got it! It's elementary encryption!

TASOS FLAMBOURAS

A O F A B U S

12 (12) 11 (20) 1 (12) (15)

M C Q U A I D

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Tasos Flambouras will make you his bitch.

[Vinadil]

Perhaps I am missing the funny parts of the interview... but I basically read him to say, "Our game will stand or fall on its gameplay."  That is a true statement, and more than most devs will say one month or so before launch.

Also, a sort of side note... but some articles on DF and other Euro games seem to imply that they receive government funding as well as private investors.  Anyone have info on this, because I think it might go into the whole "will they make money" discussion.  I almost get the feeling that Greece WANTS this company to succeed and will help finance them accordingly.

[Signe]

Uh Oh.  Claus was just lurking at you people who spew vomitty hate all over his elderly game!  And he never comes here anymore!  Who told?  In any case, I remember when this game was announced that it was in development.  It was 2001, not 2003.  Regardless of the name of the company and it's the same people, new location.  Who wants to shiver in Norway when you can bask in the sun in Greece anyway? 

It's not just the unmoving ass cheeks animations that suck.  I don't like the character models at all.  They look completely lifeless and nothing seems to be even almost in proportion.  Look at the all the crap they've added to the wiki page.  Seriously, are those character models really acceptable?  They even managed to make my favourite race look more like a zucchini than an Orc! 

I can remember only a few games where the developers were as aggressively defensive as some of their more demented fans.  Mourning or what ever the last incarnation of that was, Dark and Light - and Darkfall. 

[Vinadil]

Big difference being... Dark and Light started asking for money BEFORE they even let you play the game.  Anyone who does that shoots a nice little warning flag into the air.  As with all of the recent launches, everyone will have the chance to see for themselves before they are asked to pay.  And, honestly I would kind of worry about a guy who did NOT passionately defend his life's work for the last 5 (7) years.  If you can't get fired up about something you have dedicated that much time to then your odds of success go way down.  It does not make him "right" or even "believable"... but it would be more concerning for me to hear him just back down and say, "Yea, it probably won't turn out all that great, but no big deal eh?"

[mutantmagnet]

I can remember only a few games where the developers were as aggressively defensive as some of their more demented fans.

I wouldn't go there. The devs are a lot smarter and no where near as defensive than the most rabid fans.

Vinadil - Look back one or two pages to find the info you asked for.

[Jayce]

Really, at this point with no released software, any "fans" that are not actively in the beta are more accurately called "fanbois", in that they have no real basis for their fanaticism except hope to be in an exclusive club that was "right all along".  And they are the ones that will fall the hardest if it tanks.

There's seemingly never a shortage of people to idolize games that don't exist (yet).

[UnSub]

There's seemingly never a shortage of people to idolize games that don't exist (yet).

A brief summary of fanboi reaction to a new title:

1) OMG it will be the best evah - a lot better than everything that is out now!
2) I've read all of their vaguely worded design promises and have constructed a perfect game in my head that is totally awesome - it's a lot better than what is out right now!
3) They've gone into alpha / beta and are launching soon! It will be so awesome and I'm quitting my current MMO to play it!

...

4) It wasn't what I thought it would be - I'm going back to my old MMO.

[Triforcer]

MMOs are just Quake with better netcode.  Red Dragon Software could tell Darkfall that. 

[Venkman]

I can remember only a few games where the developers were as aggressively defensive as some of their more demented fans.

I wouldn't go there. The devs are a lot smarter and no where near as defensive than the most rabid fans.

That's not a statement that inspires confidence. "Hey, look, as least I'm not as paranoid as that raving lunatic!" 

Passion is fine. But a completely niave and unrealistic worldview that flies over the precipice of actual reality upon launch is the sort of thing you want to avoid. Gamers never ever see the game the same way those who created do. But that's the problem of marketing these types of games. You've got a really investigative audience that can spot spin miles away, because these aren't games. They're services in which you rent time in ongoing play experience. MMOers are the type that need convincing to care, convincing to buy, and then continually convinced to rent.

[Iniquity]

Yeah, the fanbois scare me.  But like every MMO, the people you actually meet ingame when the game is released and the people on the forums prior to release are two very, very different groups.

Me, I'll buy Darkfall when it comes out, no questions asked, 100%, absolutely regardless of what anyone says or doesn't say about its gameplay.  Simply because even if the game sucks, its box sales will be a part of some future VC-type's analysis of whether there's a sufficient market to fund development of the next world PvP game, and it's worth $50 to me to jiggle that number a tad in the right direction.  I don't know how many more years I can go without an actual world PvP MMO to play.

[Iniquity]

Which means Asians are retarded?

When it comes to MMOs?  Yes, yes it does.  I've lived in Asia.  I'm moving back there again soon, sadly.  Asia is retarded in a million different ways, and gaming is no exception.  The only decent game to come out of Asia with a quasi-MMO component is Kart Rider, and that's just because it added a multiplayer lobby to Double Dash.

The things they consider to be 'fun' are not 'fun', because half of everyone you meet over there has their head on ass backwards about the most basic shit, and that 'half of everyone' approaches 'everyone' once you're talking to people who do gaming, and the few people who've got a decent head on their shoulders are learning English or French or German and getting the fuck out of dodge as soon as they can.

[Falconeer]

Chauvinist/xenophobe or simply narrowminded blubber makes you an unreliable counterpart and all of a sudden an uninteresting poster. And you don't need to dig Asian MMOs (I don't) to be able to understand different culture and habits.
Have fun in your self-centered universe.  /ignore.

[Iniquity]

Chauvinist/xenophobe or simply narrowminded blubber makes you an unreliable counterpart and all of a sudden an uninteresting poster. And you don't need to dig Asian MMOs (I don't) to be able to understand different culture and habits.
Have fun in your self-centered universe.  /ignore.

...Have you lived there?  Because in case you haven't noticed, they're not too happy with their way of living either.  When I live abroad, I speak the relevant languages, learn the relevant customs, immerse myself as much as possible to get a better understanding.  A pile of shit is still a pile of shit.

But hey, way to keep the American tradition of pointlessly romanticizing cultures they view as exotic alive.

Enjoy your shitty KMMOs.  You're probably getting more out of it the poor teenage SOB in Seoul ditching cram-school to hit the PC-bang just to get some sort of break from his joyless existence while chain-smoking himself into oblivion is.  (KMMOs don't run on click-to-move because it's fun, they run on click-to-move so you can smoke.)

[Azaroth]

He linked an Onion article to prove a point.

Bravo.

[Murgos]

Also, to prove a point about typical American behavior to someone who is not American, pretty sure that's the definition of the fallacious 'speaking out of your ass' style of discussion.

And yes, I've lived in Asia so I am fully qualified to make this statement.   

[LC]

He linked an Onion article to prove a point.

Bravo.

I willing to bet he only read the first paragraph title.

[IainC]

A date is set. Jan 22nd is D Day apparently.

[mutantmagnet]

A date is set. Jan 22nd is D Day apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0i9uWNDvDg

[Draegan]

Yeah, the fanbois scare me.  But like every MMO, the people you actually meet ingame when the game is released and the people on the forums prior to release are two very, very different groups.

Me, I'll buy Darkfall when it comes out, no questions asked, 100%, absolutely regardless of what anyone says or doesn't say about its gameplay.  Simply because even if the game sucks, its box sales will be a part of some future VC-type's analysis of whether there's a sufficient market to fund development of the next world PvP game, and it's worth $50 to me to jiggle that number a tad in the right direction.  I don't know how many more years I can go without an actual world PvP MMO to play.

You're the reason people make shitty MMOs in the first place.  Don't give them money if their product is shit.

[Arthur_Parker]

Jan 22nd?  Did they state which year?

[Mrbloodworth]

Yeah, the fanbois scare me.  But like every MMO, the people you actually meet ingame when the game is released and the people on the forums prior to release are two very, very different groups.

Me, I'll buy Darkfall when it comes out, no questions asked, 100%, absolutely regardless of what anyone says or doesn't say about its gameplay.  Simply because even if the game sucks, its box sales will be a part of some future VC-type's analysis of whether there's a sufficient market to fund development of the next world PvP game, and it's worth $50 to me to jiggle that number a tad in the right direction.  I don't know how many more years I can go without an actual world PvP MMO to play.

You're the reason people make shitty MMOs in the first place.  Don't give them money if their product is shit.

You say that as if half the people here are not going to buy/try it.

[Draegan]

Well I'm definitely not buying it.  I'd try it if it were for free due to morbid curiosity.

[Vinadil]

Perhaps there is a fine line between stupid optimism and driving faith.  I just finished Seth Godin's new "Tribes", so perhaps I am still on some "you can DO it, you can change the world!" kick.  But, I still say that I would rather find a person who strongly believes they can do it than a guy who "settled" before he even started.

This game has always been extremely ambitious.  But, ambitious is what we all seem to want... we just want someone to make it work and we get to play the part of the jaded gamer and tell everyone how they wasted their time and money when it doesn't.

[ashrik]

I'm going to buy and try it. Less out of optimism or curiosity and more small-mindedness and vindictiveness. The hours I spend writing out and I told you assholes all along... will be well worth the price of admission. I'm a petty petty man

[Draegan]

If you really need a taste of fail just go play Vanguard, you probably bought that one too.

[Mrbloodworth]

If you really need a taste of fail just go play Vanguard, you probably bought that one too.

lol. While reading this last interview with taco here, i got wafts of Brad McQuaid.

[mutantmagnet]

Tasos != McQuaid != Jacobs != Jaffe

Right now I'm wondering if schild is going to put Darkfall immediately in the graveyard or will he think of something wittier with its own subforum.

[Murgos]

I'm guessing Darkfall never even gets its own forum so therefore never even needs shipping off to the graveyard.

This thread will probably morph into the launch thread and drop off the first page by MLK day, to be bumped for the occasional angst filled 'potential' post and the inevitable server merge post.

[Falconeer]

You forgot the 'ceasing to operate' post.

[Grimwell]

If you really need a taste of fail just go play Vanguard, you probably bought that one too.

The Vanguard you refer to is no longer a live game. Sorry. :)

I'm happy that we have a live date for DF now. Time to see who's wrong.