Darkfall "Released"

[ashrik]

haaaaaaaahahahahahaha. Well that clinches it. When you're not beating up on the poor internet people with unwarranted attacks, how do you spend your free time Schild?

[mutantmagnet]

You didn't do any thing to me.  I didn't take anything you said to me as mean spirited or personal.  I'm good that way. 

Well that's some additional good news for the day 

[UnSub]

Why are we still following or talking about this again? I'm confused.

I want to see if WAR maintains the title of worst MMO release of 2008. Sure, Darkfall will probably have to set their player PCs on fire to reach the same level of disappointed expectations, but I've got faith.

... plus it would finally end the "Watch for Darkfall! It's got everything you ever want in a MMO!" discussions. That's worth something.

[schild]

haaaaaaaahahahahahaha. Well that clinches it. When you're not beating up on the poor internet people with unwarranted attacks, how do you spend your free time Schild?

I play games and gauge market reaction to MMOG development and then call it as I see it.

I wasn't beating him up, I was just stating the obvious. He knows he's a delusional weirdo, that's why he took offense.

[Wasted]

If he knows it is he still delusional?

[schild]

If he knows it is he still delusional?

Let's ask Joseph Heller.

He says yes.

[Gutboy Barrelhouse]

At least my game is "Pro" as in people pay money and can log in a do stuff.

[mutantmagnet]

I wasn't beating him up, I was just stating the obvious. He knows he's a delusional weirdo, that's why he took offense.

I took offense because you're off base. You should stick to analyzing games and not people.

[tazelbain]

If you get offended by delusional weirdo, you aren't cut out for here.  There is no nice policy on internet. You are only proving Schild right if you think there is.

<insert gratuitous insult here>

[schild]

I wasn't beating him up, I was just stating the obvious. He knows he's a delusional weirdo, that's why he took offense.

I took offense because you're off base. You should stick to analyzing games and not people.

I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[Signe]

I'm confused by tazel's greif tittle.  Am I sure he's not Ookii?  Or possibly Trippy?  People are becoming other people.

[ashrik]

If you want to refute an off the cuff comment about being a delusional weirdo, don't respond with a comment that suggests even weirder psychological scars. Those internet meany toughguy poopyhead jerks ::COUGH::everyone::AHEM:: will probably just laugh a bit more.

As for the game itself, I'll believe it when I see it. We all read some of the rave beta reviews from Warhammer and the obvious conclusion is that they better reflect what each person wants to see in the game, rather than what is actually in it. Specially when filtered through the rose-tinted glasses of a closed beta filled with hardcore fans and a developer saying AND JUST GUESS WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE SAYING!!!

I'm going to stick with my theory that games of this nature died out simply because no one wants to play them anymore. The hardcore PVP genre has gone the way of the niche-dinosaur, and we have the PVP of today all for a reason. "UO in 3d" is probably exactly what Darkfall is trying to be, and if it doesn't mess that up then it'll just be filled with a portion the oldskool MMO players who still maintain that UO is the best and only true MMO out there.

[WindupAtheist]

filled with a portion the oldskool MMO players who still maintain that UO is the best and only true MMO out there.

No, filled with players who maintain that UO was the best/only MMO out there until evil filthy carebears convinced them to ruin it for no good reason, and ever since they've been waiting for another game to descend from the heavens and show all those fucking carebears what for, all while ignoring the fact that EVE has already done the 'meaningful PVP' thing far better than the likes of Darkfall ever will.

Get your narrative right.

[mutantmagnet]

Eve has certain quirks that make it very different from the intended features of Darkfall. They would make one game more acceptable than the other in peoples' eyes.

Eve isn't an interactive experience like an FPS.
Eve's gate system strictly defines a lot of how players move around in the game.
Hot dropping and cynos are common in Eve while teleporting in DF would be rare, expensive and limited.
Eve is sci fi where you play as a spaceship (the latter will change)
PVE missions are abysmal
The AI and physics isn't nowhere as sophisticated as Darkfall might be.
Eve offers "infinite" space to explore.
The crafting system is light-years ahead of Darkfall with the introduction of tech 3
The economic mechanisms are most likely going to be different.
You can't actively train skills in Eve.
You are threatened with skill loss as well as equipment loss if you aren't careful.
Eve's borders are defined by high sec, low sec, 0.0 while Darkfall's borders will be determined by bindstones.
NPC Factions in Eve have 0 influence. Darkfalll's npcs supposedly form their own cities if left unchecked. Couple that with alignment and faction is clearly something that can influence player behavior.


This list could actually go on a bit longer but my point has been made. If Eve has done meaningful pvp right I wouldn't see people make comments in the Eve forums about leaving the game for Darkfall and some of these people have invested a lot of time in Eve. One of them was a CSM which was a bit surprising for myself. 

[Arthur_Parker]

Eve was actually released.

[Azaroth]

I'm a bit confused. You've played Darkfall?

[IainC]

In what way is EvE 'not an interactive experience'? Do you actually understand the meaning of the words in that sentence?

Well done on coming up with a laundry list of superficial differences between two different games. You have successfully proved that EvE and Darkfall are not the same game. You haven't however even begun to address the actual point that was put to you - that EvE has done meaningful PvP correctly and that Darkfall probably will not approach that level of competence in its field.

[schild]

Didn't even deserve that much of a response.

Arthur nailed it, Eve was released.

[K9]

NPC Factions in Eve have 0 influence. Darkfalll's npcs supposedly form their own cities if left unchecked. Couple that with alignment and faction is clearly something that can influence player behavior.

Can't 99% of Darkfall's features be summed up by "supposedly"?

[Triforcer]

Didn't even deserve that much of a response.

Arthur nailed it, Eve was released.

We can go one level more basic:  Eve exists. 

[Velorath]

Why are we still following or talking about this again? I'm confused.

I want to see if WAR maintains the title of worst MMO release of 2008. Sure, Darkfall will probably have to set their player PCs on fire to reach the same level of disappointed expectations, but I've got faith.

While Darkfall may end up as a contender for worst MMO release of the year, I wouldn't bet on said year being 2008.  Also, WAR isn't the worst MMO release of 2008.  It's just the one with the most wasted potential.

[Signe]

Yeah, what is the dealio with that Tasos claiming that the "game" will absolutely release in December when he's allegedly just started closed beta like right now almost?  And what's with the dealio that people actually believe that and don't think he's some sort of scamming lunatic?  I don't understand people at all!  Thank God for husbands and cats!  Mostly cats.

(dealio is my word for the day)

[Fordel]

Do Balloons and confetti fall from the ceiling every time you say it?

[Goreschach]

Yeah, what is the dealio with that Tasos claiming that the "game" will absolutely release in December when he's allegedly just started closed beta like right now almost?  And what's with the dealio that people actually believe that and don't think he's some sort of scamming lunatic?  I don't understand people at all!  Thank God for husbands and cats!  Mostly cats.

(dealio is my word for the day)

The word of the day should have been 'morons'.

[Arthur_Parker]

DArkfall Faithful - Believe Anything.

[K9]

"In the largest RPG world ever made"

I'm pretty sure that Vanguard demonstrated that size isn't everything.

[Venkman]

Yeah, what is the dealio with that Tasos claiming that the "game" will absolutely release in December when he's allegedly just started closed beta like right now almost?  And what's with the dealio that people actually believe that and don't think he's some sort of scamming lunatic?  I don't understand people at all!  Thank God for husbands and cats!  Mostly cats.

It completes the old-school UO/EQ1/AC1 narrative. mutantmagnet is a transplant from 2001 when the mere promise of a maybesomeday MMO had features that made it's dominance over game X a foregone conclusion. This includes the list of "what Eve isn't". You could replace "Eve" with "UO" and almost every line would work.

It's a nice trip down memory lane though...

[Arthur_Parker]

Yeah, and if he's like the last DArkfall nut, you can't even troll him into talking about Trammel, as he never played UO.

[Mrbloodworth]

"In the largest RPG world ever made"

I'm pretty sure that Vanguard demonstrated that size isn't everything.

That title still goes to DnL.

[HaemishM]

But does it have fetusapults?

[mutantmagnet]

In what way is EvE 'not an interactive experience'? Do you actually understand the meaning of the words in that sentence?

Do you? I did say it's not as interactive as an FPS, not that there isn't any interaction at all.

It completes the old-school UO/EQ1/AC1 narrative. mutantmagnet is a transplant from 2001 when the mere promise of a maybesomeday MMO had features that made it's dominance over game X a foregone conclusion. This includes the list of "what Eve isn't". You could replace "Eve" with "UO" and almost every line would work.

I prefer some of the ideas of what DF offers over what Eve ended up turning out to be but I'm not sold yet if DF is going to be the mmo for me, I just find it interesting enough to keep an eye on. If it doesn't release I'm not going to care that much about it but from what I'm seeing I'm encouraged that a product is being made. As for 2001 I never played UO/EQ/AC. Multiplayer on the pc was a heavy diet of RTS and FPS. The first mmo I played before I even heard of the term two years later was Runescape, unless you count Utopia which was text based.

[IainC]

In what way is EvE 'not an interactive experience'? Do you actually understand the meaning of the words in that sentence?

Do you? I did say it's not as interactive as an FPS, not that there isn't any interaction at all.

No you didn't.

[Velorath]

Yeah, what is the dealio with that Tasos claiming that the "game" will absolutely release in December when he's allegedly just started closed beta like right now almost? 

I don't know.  Even if they could somehow manage to rush the game out before the end of December it would pretty much be suicide since they wouldn't have time for any sort of marketing campaign, nor would they have time to actually sell the game to any retailers (none of whom currently have any listings for Darkfall on their websites).  Their launch would consist entirely of selling direct downloads to people like mutantmagnet.

[schild]

Velorath, release window doesn't matter. Game was sent to die from day 1. I like some of the folks here, but that place is DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED.

[Velorath]

Velorath, release window doesn't matter. Game was sent to die from day 1.

Well, yeah.  It's Darkfall.