AoC vs WAR vs ? - Biggest Launch Disappointment 2008

[Aez]

I don't believe a 29 year old man with a job and a life and all that rubbish says w/e the way he does.  That's in the realm of resentful 15 year old girls.  This is some sort of gimmick account, isn't it?  I refuse to believe this is a real person.

[Hutch]

Oh goody, you came back. 

Good. Stay in your DIKU clone piece of shit.

[schild]

His IP address does in fact confirm he was "released" though I doubt it was for successful rehabilitation.

(69.124.77.46) Hicksville, NEW YORK, United States US  (Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems))

Also, the odds of him being a retarded, six year old white boy is pretty high given the demographics of Hicksville.

The racial makeup of the CDP was 84.56% White, 1.36% African American, 0.11% Native American, 9.04% Asian, 0.03% Pacific Islander, 3.05% from other races, and 1.84% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 9.26% of the population.

There were 13,710 households, of which 33.2% had children under the age of 18 living with them. 64.5% were married couples living together, 10.7% had a female householder with no husband present, and 20.9% were non-families. 16.9% of all households were made up of individuals and 9.3% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 3.00 and the average family size was 3.36.

In the CDP the population was spread out with 22.5% under the age of 18, 7.5% from 18 to 24, 30.6% from 25 to 44, 23.3% from 45 to 64, and 16.1% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 39 years. For every 100 females, there were 95.5 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 93.0 males.

Of course, absolutely retarded 20-something that makes New York the completely un-likable Hellhole Dirty Piece of Shit that it is might also be incredibly likely.

Anyway, just ignore him, maybe he'll kill himself. We already know he's completely unstable.

[rattran]

I have little interest in AoC, other than amusement at the trainwreck.

But this is the best thread of the season so far.

[Morfiend]

I refuse to believe this is a real person.

Not a person... a Fucken.

You win.

[Morfiend]

The only thing I can think of while reading this thread is forumwarz.

[Simond]

Oh goody, you came back. 

Good. Stay in your DIKU clone piece of shit.

[Phildo]

I still want to know why he was advocating forest fires and gay sex a few pages back.  Aren't those frowned upon?

[Count Nerfedalot]

I refuse to believe this is a real person.

Not a person... a Fucken.

[UnSub]

I don't believe a 29 year old man with a job and a life and all that rubbish says w/e the way he does.  That's in the realm of resentful 15 year old girls.  This is some sort of gimmick account, isn't it?  I refuse to believe this is a real person.

I partly believe Haemish and Schild share the grunk account to bring the MMOgiggles.

grunk: if he didn't exist, we would have to invent him.

[Lantyssa]

I still want to know why he was advocating forest fires and gay sex a few pages back.  Aren't those frowned upon?

Depends.  How much of a family board is this? :D

[shiznitz]

I still want to know why he was advocating forest fires and gay sex a few pages back.  Aren't those frowned upon?

And I await a explanation for "go QQ". As was already said, "fucken" should go in the dictionary. That is gold.

[Lum]

A vital belated note to this thread:

Well, have you tried it?  I bet it wouldn't work on my kitties.  They do, however, have their own bathroom, but I wouldn't want to share.

Don't do it. The problem with toilet training cats is that they flush the toilet.

Over.

and over.

and over.

and over.

and over.

[Signe]

My one kitty, Magenta, is already fascinated with the toilet.  She wants to drink out of it like a dog.  And play in it.  We have to remember to keep the lids down all the time.  She's also batty about the shower.  She likes to stand under it while it's still dripping.  One of these days, I'm going to toss her in the jacuzzi tub.  I think she might even like it.  She doesn't mind the sound at all.

[rk47]

I still want to know why he was advocating forest fires and gay sex a few pages back.  Aren't those frowned upon?

And I await a explanation for "go QQ". As was already said, "fucken" should go in the dictionary. That is gold.

[Ratman_tf]

Sauce?

[Nerf]

QQ is the crying smiley, as in "go cry more, noob"

[Daeven]

I'm reading this thread, and it's almost like that person is using real words. Maybe. Is this Google finally 'waking up'? And it wants to Play2Crush?

Or am I still suffering after effects of watching to many Terminator movies during a Jaeger binge?

[Lantyssa]

Daeven.  If you vant to live, come vit me.

[Jashan]

Don't do it. The problem with toilet training cats is that they flush the toilet.

Over.

and over.

and over.

and over.

and over.

Exhibit A:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WofFb_eOxxA

[rattran]

My cats now turn on the tap when they want a drink. Then wander off.

[photek]

My cats now turn on the tap when they want a drink. Then wander off.

My cats sit on my face when they want something. Unfortunately in terms of IQ our cats are nothing compared to this Einstein : http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=buQKZOaB6cY

[HRose]

WHAT WENT WRONG?



First is Warhammer concept art, second is game, third is Age of Conan.

[Mrbloodworth]

what are we comparing here?

[tmp]

what are we comparing here?

My guess would be the impact of gravity and fashion sense (or lack thereof)

[HRose]

Not really a meaningful comparison.

I just don't understand why game artists completely fucked the very good concept art. And then the piece of screenshot from Age of Conan, the game that is so beautiful and DirectX 10 that your normal computer cannot run, caught my eye.

[Threash]

With the amount of customization available in aoc char creation you can make some really butt ugly characters though, most look way better than that.

[Miasma]

Other than the hair that seems like a pretty good rendering of the concept art.  Realistic looking long girly curls that don't clip into all the armour would be really hard to do and not worth the processing power.  The colour is also different and in that respect isn't the concept art just plain wrong, the dark elves are supposed to be blue right?

I have no idea why you put the Conan person in there.

Edit: I guess they aren't supposed to be blue, maybe the artist spent too much time in EQ like the rest of us.

[tazelbain]

Poor Hrose.  It must be terrible burden to be responsible for finding fault with everything Mythic does no matter how trivial.

[Mrbloodworth]

You can make concept art for days, it will never be exact. Once the customization system is designed (what ever they want to use, attachment to just nodes, swap/hide meshes, Morph targets, Texture compositing system, ETC..), things tend to change.  In this area, the techniques used to created the customization system  dictate the requirement of assets, so, shit changes. Not to mention rigging, and animation requirements on polygon density, joints ETC...

concept art is just that. A concept.

BTW, read your blog, specifically where you copied and pasted reply's to me. I find it funny that the comments in it basically said the same things i did. IE: your wrong/offbase.

[Ixxit]

I think there are better examples of AOC models than the one you chose, also, what exactly is wrong with the WAR model?

[HRose]

You can make concept art for days, it will never be exact. Once the customization system is designed (what ever they want to use, attachment to just nodes, swap/hide meshes, Morph targets, Texture compositing system, ETC..), things tend to change.  In this area, the techniques used to created the customization system  dictate the requirement of assets, so, shit changes. Not to mention rigging, and animation requirements on polygon density, joints ETC...

Of course the game art will be simpler than concept art. But there are in that case arbitrary changes for the worse I don't understand. For example the two vertical black lines on the chest that are ugly and that don't correspond to any technical need. The same for the other slight differences and body proportions.

But what's wrong is especially the face.

AoC is just a piece of very bad art all around. It wasn't meant as a fair comparison, but as a provocation (so exaggerated).

[Mrbloodworth]

You can make concept art for days, it will never be exact. Once the customization system is designed (what ever they want to use, attachment to just nodes, swap/hide meshes, Morph targets, Texture compositing system, ETC..), things tend to change.  In this area, the techniques used to created the customization system  dictate the requirement of assets, so, shit changes. Not to mention rigging, and animation requirements on polygon density, joints ETC...

Of course the game art will be simpler than concept art. But there are in that case arbitrary changes for the worse I don't understand. For example the two vertical black lines on the chest that are ugly and that don't correspond to any technical need. The same for the other slight differences and body proportions.

But what's wrong is especially the face.

AoC is just a piece of very bad art all around. It wasn't meant as a fair comparison, but as a provocation (so exaggerated).

Your mixing things. First, i don't think thats the same outfit, at all. Similar, but not the same one, even then it may have undergone more concepting and styling between concept, and painting the texture. Body proportions are most times are dictated by the skeleton, most likely all females use the same one (animation reuse reasons), so things have to be adjusted for them to fit, and work right. The face, i don't know, looks close enough for me, and i also don't know how they do customization on it.

As for the Aoc, there is way more techniques being used there from what i can tell by looking at the two games, not to mention, like someone else said, players can adjust the faces in regards to size, shape ETC.. using slider that go from one morph target (could be bone manipulation, but i don't think it is, it would require more bones in the skeleton) to the last, and everywhere in between. Goes the same for the body in AoC, thats why if you make a supper skinny person, some clothing seems not to fit (even "float" off), because the object was made to accommodate the extremes a player can choose.

In stark contrast, Wows avatars have very little geometry changes, most of the customization is texture swaps, and attachment of child objects(Huge shoulder pads!!!) and texture swaps on those as well, its a much simpler system than that of Aoc and War (not 100% on what War is using, i would have to see it in action), with much less variations to account for (also i believe that the child object assumes the transform of the node its attached too, IE: some may recall the very incorrect sizing of shoulder pads a bit back, this would be that system failing), this would be what allows gnomes to use the same equipment (models) as a troll.

As far as very bad art...to each his own, i think both are very well done artistically for what they are and the overall design choices they are going for.

[HRose]

As far as very bad art...to each his own, i think both are very well done artistically for what they are and the overall design choices they are going for.

I suppose for you even EQ2 and Vanguard had overall good art?

[Mrbloodworth]

As far as very bad art...to each his own, i think both are very well done artistically for what they are and the overall design choices they are going for.

I suppose for you even EQ2 and Vanguard had overall good art?

Yes. Many talented artists work on those titles, what ever you think of the game as a whole, the art direction was sound on those titles. Stylistic preference aside.