Memoirs of a Suicide Ganker

[Furiously]

I love reading about your kills slayer.

[Setanta]

http://f13.7mph.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10895

Outta retirement? And no, they weren't all BPO's...just a few of em.. probably a 300-400 mil score.

People still use haulers to move blueprints? Darwinism at work and you're just facilitating the process IMO :)

[Teleku]

Does a hurricane make a good suicide ganker?

[Slayerik]

Does a hurricane make a good suicide ganker?

It was one of my favorites. I do it differently than most guys though, using arty and a sentry drone. (I have my reasons)

Best part is the EM damage, chews through the shields nicely.

[lac]

And they are about to get better.
Actually I'm not entirely sure if medium sized weapons will get a serious boost in the upcoming changes but it looks like the big guns are about to get some love.

[Nerf]

I know my name is Nerf Blasters, but seriously, blasters need some fucking love CCP.

[Phildo]

Are they suggesting changing the cap bonus on mid-range ammo, or are they saying they're going to make mid-range projectile ammo larger but with enhanced tracking?

[Nerf]

I think they're doing away with the whole "but its smaller!" nonsense bonus and actually giving it a real bonus.  Now they need to realize that the cap bonus on hybrids is retarded for 99% of pvp and make blasters suck less.  The problem with blasters isn't ammo based though, its just the entire platform is fucked.

[Amarr HM]

I agree T2 Blaster ammo definitely needs fixing. Spike is fucking worthless unless you are sniping & Void tracking penalty should be removed altogether.

[Nerf]

How can anyone look at that and not say "Hmm, maybe we should look into this"?

[Amarr HM]

I think this graph would hammer it home, close range ship that can't hit same sized ship very well at close range even with webs applied.



Beware of using scrams on Thorax instead of webs sig radius is your friend now, look at the shitty peak on that optimal. The omen turrets still out DPS it at 3km with transversals placed at 50% which would be the outside track on the ellipse if both ships orbiting. Only if both ships are sitting completely still does the rax do substantially more turret damage than it's Amarr counterpart, the main advantage it has is larger drone bay. Faction ammo heavily reduces the problem but it's no good having a PvP'centric ammo that is useless in PvP. Don't even get me started on Spike what a fucktarded penalty, so glad I'm flying Amarr ships again.

[Teleku]

Woo, good news all around.  I love my hurricane, and have myself up to T2 Medium Projectile, so further boost would be awesome.

[Phildo]

I helped do a bad thing.

And this one too.

Good night, sweet Golem!

[Setanta]

And they are about to get better.
Actually I'm not entirely sure if medium sized weapons will get a serious boost in the upcoming changes but it looks like the big guns are about to get some love.

Medium and large arty are getting the better buffs from what I read - pity small isn't too- arty Thrasher could be nastier if it did. I'm in T2 mediums on my 'cane now - just started training the big guns to get into a BS at some stage.

[Amarr HM]

I helped do a bad thing.

And this one too.

Good night, sweet Golem!

Haha awesome 

are you gonna get a cut?

[Slayerik]

He oughta. We used to do this back in the day with 5-7 battleships.....fun stuff.

[Phildo]

Yeah, everyone involved will get a bit of the payout.  Not as nice as the freighter ganking a bunch of guys pulled last weekend, but still pretty good for us.

Edit:

[Phildo]

Different day, bigger targets:

Success!
Failure!
Consolation!

[Slayerik]

Warms my heart to see freighter gankings. Uedama is a good spot too.

[Murgos]

Different day, bigger targets:

Success!
Failure!
Consolation!

Your profit ratio can't be that great.  I counted 32 ships on one of those KM's.  It's probably costing close to 2 B just to roll the dice.

[Phildo]

Made about 230m isk after the split, but it was well worth it.

[Amarr HM]

Fuck yeah anything done as a group with a profit at the end of it is generally a good thing, to add to that you pissed in a lot of peoples cheerios so it's just win win win.

[Slayerik]

I was gonna say, we always targeted much bigger value. But when you are down for the griefing and not the loot, fuck it.

[Phildo]

I'd only consider the third freighter insignificant in value for this sort of thing, but we'd been doing it for several hours, people were tired and there was literally nothing else.  So it was either hit that or go home.

[Predator Irl]

Thats some nice shit right there! Who cares about the ISK... 

pubbie tears...  priceless!

[Reg]

I can understand suicide ganking as a way to make money and as a necessary reminder to Empire people that it's a dangerous world out there and not to carry anything around unless you're prepared to lose it.

But doing it at a loss purely as a griefing tactic?  That just makes you an asshole.  And that's exactly the kind of shit that'll force CCP to reluctantly clamp down on suicide ganking again.

[Endie]

I can understand suicide ganking as a way to make money and as a necessary reminder to Empire people that it's a dangerous world out there and not to carry anything around unless you're prepared to lose it.

But doing it at a loss purely as a griefing tactic?  That just makes you an asshole.

Why?  I've never suicide ganked but I am a bit bewildered as to why blowing up any one internet spaceship is worse than blowing up any other one, especially where there is absolutely no contractual or social obligation not to do so.

PvPers like to get kills.  Freighters are big kills.  Nothing in Eve is utterly without risk.  That's kinda it.

[Thrawn]

But doing it at a loss purely as a griefing tactic?  That just makes you an asshole.  And that's exactly the kind of shit that'll force CCP to reluctantly clamp down on suicide ganking again.

Isn't that a large part of the draw of EvE though?  The ability to be a complete asshole?  Act like an asshole in most MMOs and you'll just end up banned (go try to scam someone in WoW for instance).  Do it in EvE and you might end up rich and famous.

[Slayerik]

The thing is, Reg, it looks like it takes like 40 BSes now to do it. (In .5 sec)  That requires coordination, time, and money.

I think if I had the resources that GS has, I would have fuckers in interceptors all over empire finding big money freighters, then taking down names or calling in the battleships. Something like a 200 million reward for spotting it.

[Pezzle]

Reg is right.  You have to consider that Freighter hauling is a brainless task.  Drudging all that shit around.  There is no viable defense against a suicide.  You can have a scout for the bottlenecks if you are lucky.  No fleet is going to make regular escort runs taking x hours, even if it was possible.  You cannot fit modules, all you can do is dock or delay your route.  You can take less cargo which means more runs.  More soul crushing hours.  That is why it is done afk in the first place.

While it is true you are never safe the current has changed a bit.  CCP is focusing on fighting, not ganking.  They really have to.  If growth is what they want the niche must change a bit.  A prolonged upswing in ganks will get those people vocal, and eventually CCP will do something about it.

[IainC]

While I agree broadly with what Pezzle says, anyone who flies AFK in a ship worth ganking is an idiot. I fly my freighter exclusively in hi-sec and still never autopilot it even when it's empty. If you're in a war, are carrying expensive cargo or are just flying something that might be a grief target (faction ship, freighter, etc) then you simply shouldn't be AFK unless you're docked or in a secure POS.

[Predator Irl]

While its obviously not a pleasant job hauling for hours through empire, it should never be 100% safe. Otherwise we end up with 6 security classification ratings instead of 11, i.e. 0.0 to 0.4 and a sandbox "untouchable" territory.

I wouldn't personally enjoy losing a freighter full of cargo, but there is a reason for a 0.5 to 1.0 security level and its a fundamental characteristic which defines Eve. If you have billions worth of cargo, you should have to scout and protect it regardless.

If people don't like it, let them whine for an empire capable jump freighter (good luck with that), but don't spoil the mechanics of the game.

[Thrawn]

While I agree broadly with what Pezzle says, anyone who flies AFK in a ship worth ganking is an idiot. I fly my freighter exclusively in hi-sec and still never autopilot it even when it's empty. If you're in a war, are carrying expensive cargo or are just flying something that might be a grief target (faction ship, freighter, etc) then you simply shouldn't be AFK unless you're docked or in a secure POS.

Being afk or not is basicly irrelevent because they are too slow to align.  I caught normal industrials that weren't afk when I was ganking, catching a non afk freighter would be 10 times easier then that.

[Slayerik]

Sounds like you freighter guys need a comm channel called 'achtung goons'

[Nerf]

It's pretty damned hard to catch a freighter with a webber alt, but you also have to be out of the newbie corp to be able to use one.  Like everything else in EvE, you've got choices, but there are no free rides.