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Reply #70 on: December 03, 2007, 05:18:55 PM

The reason they didn't fire him quietly is that they don't give a rat's ass what the public (or that tiny fraction that actually pays attention to such things) thinks.  They want the publishers, more specifically the *advertisers*, to know that they mean to play ball and this one loose cannon rating a game based on its merits rather than the advertising buy was not an indicator of their real editorial policy.  Taking 6 months to ease him out might send the message to the staff, but they aren't the audience that counts.

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Reply #71 on: December 03, 2007, 05:22:52 PM

I still don't understand why they can't just reject his article and gave him the boot, instead they choose to let it be published THEN fire him.

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Reply #72 on: December 03, 2007, 05:28:01 PM

Gerstmann was controversial as far as game reviewers went.

Because sometimes he was pretty honest. You can't have that at a large gaming website. So sorry.
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Reply #73 on: December 03, 2007, 05:32:20 PM

I suspect that CNET is headed up by your typical management dinosaurs who had no idea this would blow up and become anything other than inter-office grousing.

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Reply #74 on: December 03, 2007, 05:49:44 PM

I still don't understand why they can't just reject his article and gave him the boot, instead they choose to let it be published THEN fire him.

If you read the other articles on this, at Gamespot it appears that most of the editorial team reads and proofs all the reviews that appear on that site. So, although it has one name on it, a lot of people have worked on it.

So Gamespot published a review they thought was fair enough; it was only after that the review was read that they apparently started getting angry emails / phonecalls.

But yeah, this isn't surprising. When your company becomes addicted to ad revenue, you end up dancing to the tune the advertisers want. Of course, what Gamespot should have done was reply to all Kane-and-Lynch advertiser complaints with "pull your ad dollars, but your game still sucks". But that's the road less taken in this case.

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Reply #75 on: December 04, 2007, 07:28:32 AM

I still don't understand why they can't just reject his article and gave him the boot, instead they choose to let it be published THEN fire him.

A bit of  Tinfoil Hat.  If their goal was to send a message, then they needed something to have an example to object to.  If they wanted to show the advertisers that yes, GS could be counted on to deliver, they needed a message, which required a sacrificial cow.  Just sit back, wait for the biggest example of lowballing a AAA title, and sack.  Isn't as though it's tough finding people to review games, especially when you make a decision that this isn't your core business (it's selling ad space). 

Course, it could be the reason he got fired was because he was an asshole to work with, and people were tired of him being a disruption to others.  Or whatever other reason - it's not something GS can discuss, so we're only ever going to hear one side of the story.

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Reply #76 on: December 04, 2007, 11:07:08 AM


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Reply #77 on: December 04, 2007, 11:58:21 AM

I like how Kotaku is calling out another site for lies.

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Reply #78 on: December 04, 2007, 04:25:14 PM

The reason they didn't fire him quietly is that they don't give a rat's ass what the public (or that tiny fraction that actually pays attention to such things) thinks.  They want the publishers, more specifically the *advertisers*, to know that they mean to play ball and this one loose cannon rating a game based on its merits rather than the advertising buy was not an indicator of their real editorial policy.  Taking 6 months to ease him out might send the message to the staff, but they aren't the audience that counts.

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And that's working really well for them is it?  I'm pretty sure sites like this one exist in large part because no one feels they can trust the big corporate ones (this particular sub-forum almost certainly does).

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Reply #79 on: December 04, 2007, 09:11:54 PM

Well, yeah, it is working out pretty well.  A huge chunk of my friends are gamers, and I'm the only one who's heard anything about this.  Fury on the blogs does not equal losses for their bank accounts.
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Reply #80 on: December 05, 2007, 03:41:48 PM

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Reply #81 on: December 05, 2007, 03:51:50 PM

I like what N'Gai has to say about things.

But I hate that his paragraphs are longer than Hammer Frenzy's and he takes pages and pages to make a one paragraph point.

But I guess you get paid by the word.
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Reply #82 on: December 05, 2007, 06:48:15 PM

Lawls. GameSpot responds with a "FAQ". And are having a "tribute" for a fired employee.

But rather than link you to that, which I'm sure you can find on your own, gentle reader...

I'd rather link you to the user-created tags for the story.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/tags/index.php?sid=6183666&type=news&tag=tags;more

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Reply #83 on: December 05, 2007, 07:40:26 PM

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Jeff's supervisors and select members of the edit team felt the review's negativity did not match its "fair" 6.0 rating. The copy was adjusted several days after its publication so that it better meshed with its score, which remained unchanged.

LOL. Too bad 6.0 is code for "avoid like the plague."

In other news...Axelay on the VC, yay!

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Reply #84 on: December 06, 2007, 11:35:22 AM

Lawls. GameSpot responds with a "FAQ". And are having a "tribute" for a fired employee.

But rather than link you to that, which I'm sure you can find on your own, gentle reader...

I'd rather link you to the user-created tags for the story.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/tags/index.php?sid=6183666&type=news&tag=tags;more

That is pretty awesome, somebody be sure to save that image somewhere for posterity and the next time they do this in a more sneaky manner.

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Reply #85 on: December 06, 2007, 11:51:36 AM

I added a few.  "Swamp poop"  swamp poop  ftw

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Reply #86 on: December 06, 2007, 12:03:41 PM

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Reply #87 on: December 06, 2007, 12:37:49 PM

I don't understand this "Tag" concept, are those just the most common phrases typed anywhere?
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Reply #88 on: December 06, 2007, 12:48:37 PM

In every GameSpot article you have the option of 'tagging it".  The bigger the words, the more often that tag was done.

Apparently, a lot of people don't want to believe the corporate line, "We didn't fire him because of the review score but we can't tell you why."

Also, apparently a lot of people don't like Josh Larson.
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Reply #89 on: December 06, 2007, 12:54:28 PM

I don't understand this "Tag" concept, are those just the most common phrases typed anywhere?

You fail at web2.0, I may not understand RSS feeds and Digg all that well but come on, tags are easypeasy.

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Reply #90 on: December 06, 2007, 07:47:01 PM

Just an aside, but the whole thing with tags having different sizes based on popularity is one of the most useless Web2.0 things in a while. I want to burn the person who came up with "Web 2.0" alive.

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Reply #91 on: December 06, 2007, 08:13:14 PM

I want to burn the idiots who put "-gate" at the back end of any scandal. It worked for Watergate BECAUSE IT HAPPENED AT THE WATERGATE HOTEL. Gerstmanngate? Oh fucking please.

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Reply #92 on: December 06, 2007, 08:21:22 PM

Just noticed the "swamp poop" tag.
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Reply #93 on: December 07, 2007, 05:24:51 AM

Still don't understand.

Someone has to go through and add those tags? They're not just automagically parsed out of comments/posts/etc.?
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Reply #94 on: December 07, 2007, 10:15:52 AM

Yeah, random asshats can tag the story with "meaningful" words of their choosing. The popular ones get bigger. Slashdot has something similar where the popular ones are displayed on the front page.
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Reply #95 on: December 07, 2007, 02:22:39 PM

Just an aside, but the whole thing with tags having different sizes based on popularity is one of the most useless Web2.0 things in a while. I want to burn the person who came up with "Web 2.0" alive.

Well the term web 2.0 is retarded but tags own.  Picking the right porn to download torrents for has become like 100x easier with them.
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