Deus Ex 3. I shit you not.

[Sheepherder]

The upgrades are cool, except the ones that suck terribly.  Energy level upgrade?  Really Eidos?  Speaking of which, energy level upgrade is obviously a coy reference to stomach capacity.  Nothing else explains how it's only appreciable effect is to allow Jensen to gain the full benefit of eating a jar of protein powder.

Rummaging through every desk in an office to find upgrade kits is not fun.  Who the fuck are these people who store weapons parts and ammunition in their cubicle anyways?

Jensen builds clocks in his spare time, but he can't remove the laser sight from a pistol?

They might as well have removed every weapon in the game not the 10mm, stun gun, and tranquilizer rifle.  Helmeted enemies, ammo scarcity, inventory size, and the inability to detach upgrades basically render everything else shit you'll only pick up for a boss fight, if then.

[Ironwood]

Be fair;  all you actually ever need is the pistol.

Silenced, upgraded clip and damage with a nice laser site.  I don't think I ever met an enemy I couldn't take down, bar the bosses.

[Threash]

The revolver with exploding bullets is just pure fucking fun to use though, fuck the 10mm.

[KallDrexx]

The energy level would have been awesome if they recharged for than the first level.  I would have had so much fun trying to chain double take downs.

[Sheepherder]

The energy level would have been awesome if they recharged for than the first level.  I would have had so much fun trying to chain double take downs.

Debug menu mod.

Because if I spent billions of my own dollars to rebuild my head of security as a cyborg super soldier to battle the dark forces of the grimdark future I'd give him more than a carbine and a clip of ammo.

[Vision]

The energy level would have been awesome if they recharged for than the first level.  I would have had so much fun trying to chain double take downs.

This. I got the energy upgrades thinking it would improve my stealth but then I realized I have to eat a fucking protein bar before I can recharge more than one fucking cell, which was a wasted 3 praxis points right htere. Also, I played it on the hardest setting, and the final boss fight only took me 1 try. I had saved up like 16 nuke virus and
It also helped that I had put the one point into being immune to electricity.

I will say the atmosphere of this game was incredible, especially Detroit and Shanghai, and was what I enjoyed most about it.

[Sheepherder]

Be fair;  all you actually ever need is the pistol.

Silenced, upgraded clip and damage with a nice laser site.  I don't think I ever met an enemy I couldn't take down, bar the bosses.

If by damage you mean armour penetration, then yes.  It's fucking sad when a high caliber rifle can't penetrate a helmet but that handgun you knabbed off of the first enemy in the game can.

[rk47]

Should've used Crysis style where you can lift a guy and use him as bullet shield. It's really baffling the lack of power creativity in this game. I mean, you can burst through walls but you can't throw bodies or tables at enemies, really?

[Sheepherder]

NSFW

[luckton]

So, yeah, picked this up from the Winter Steam sale.  After playing through the first bit, I cry with sad that I've missed playing this game for so long.  Truly it is quite a delight to play.

[HaemishM]

Yeah, I picked it up and started playing as well. It's VERY pretty, the atmosphere is awesome and I love the soundtrack.

[Sheepherder]

Protip: you will at some point have to talk to Sarif about a security breach.  Save beforehand, and make sure you complete the speech duel with Sarif giving you access to some files on your office computer.  Go read the files.  This will unlock a short sidequest later in the game.  It's worth seeing.

And yes, atmosphere and music is fucking great.

[Ingmar]

If you can get past the borderline racist stuff. I couldn't, petered out partway through Shanghai.

[Sheepherder]

Are you referring to the atrocious Engrish?  Or everyone calling you laowai or gweilo?

[Ingmar]

I don't really want to derail the thread with an itemized list of my objections, but there's a lot more to it than just the dialogue (though that certainly contributes), the game really seems to lean heavily on negative stereotypes for non-white characters.

The gameplay is still pretty cool for the most part so if you're not a picky PC dude like me there's plenty to like about the game.

[Sheepherder]

I'm not seeing the objection then.  Yes, there are a lot of negative stereotypes.  That's what you get when everyone in your game is a thug, a prostitute, a crooked cop, a Triad, an extremist hippie, a mercenary, or a kleptocrat.  Not many decent people hang around in ghettoes and derelict buildings at night.

[Lakov_Sanite]

Everyone in the game is a stereotype, up to and including the main character with his dark, brooding past.

[HaemishM]

Is it just me, or does the starting combat/sniper rifle just SUCK MONKEY ASS? Also, why does my targeting reticle keep disappearing?

[Sheepherder]

No clue about the reticle.

Most stock weapons are terrible.  Upgrades are a limited commodity.  Ammo is scarce for everything except the pistol.  You do the math.

Or...

Debug menu mod.

Because if I spent billions of my own dollars to rebuild my head of security as a cyborg super soldier to battle the dark forces of the grimdark future I'd give him more than a carbine and a clip of ammo.

[HaemishM]

I want to love this game. But it's really starting to frustrate the fuck out of me.

The inventory system makes me want to strangle little baby seals in front of a children's choir. I never have enough room. Ammo for anything but combat rifle, pistol and machine pistol is goddamn non-existent. I was so happy that I finally found sniper rifle ammo (after having that monstrosity taking up gobs of space for no good goddamn reason) but it was only like 5 shots. I put them to good use. Why am I fucking with paper doll UO level retardery in 2012?

It is SO easy to die in this game. Look, there's a 10 foot drop. DEAD. Guard sees you... dead. Stealth is really fucking wonky. I swear Adam Jensen is going to have arthritis because he spends 95% of his time crouched over like a fucking spider.

Level design, while really pretty, is also really tiny. You can feel the console limitation on level size constantly, especially in the Detroit city areas. And why isn't there fast travel? I know where my apartment is, why can't I just fast travel back there instead of having to run through two zones to do it? Luckily, there aren't bad loading times or puppy-punching would ensue. The console limits also show up in the character's. Some of them are really low-poly, and it's made all the more jarring by the switch between pre-rendered cutscenes and game engine cutscenes. The differences are STRIKING, especially in the lighting. Pre-rendered, the lighting is moody, dark and atmospheric, then you switch to the game engine and it's like someone turned on every light in the room then added a floodlight for good measure.

I finally got the first boss battle. It's shit. It's lead me to seriously consider shelving the game instead of trying to power through it. I can see what the lead dev was talking about with them making a mistake farming out the boss battles. Yes, yes you did.

[Malakili]

I want to love this game. But it's really starting to frustrate the fuck out of me.

The inventory system makes me want to strangle little baby seals in front of a children's choir. I never have enough room. Ammo for anything but combat rifle, pistol and machine pistol is goddamn non-existent. I was so happy that I finally found sniper rifle ammo (after having that monstrosity taking up gobs of space for no good goddamn reason) but it was only like 5 shots. I put them to good use. Why am I fucking with paper doll UO level retardery in 2012?

It is SO easy to die in this game. Look, there's a 10 foot drop. DEAD. Guard sees you... dead. Stealth is really fucking wonky. I swear Adam Jensen is going to have arthritis because he spends 95% of his time crouched over like a fucking spider.

Level design, while really pretty, is also really tiny. You can feel the console limitation on level size constantly, especially in the Detroit city areas. And why isn't there fast travel? I know where my apartment is, why can't I just fast travel back there instead of having to run through two zones to do it? Luckily, there aren't bad loading times or puppy-punching would ensue. The console limits also show up in the character's. Some of them are really low-poly, and it's made all the more jarring by the switch between pre-rendered cutscenes and game engine cutscenes. The differences are STRIKING, especially in the lighting. Pre-rendered, the lighting is moody, dark and atmospheric, then you switch to the game engine and it's like someone turned on every light in the room then added a floodlight for good measure.

I finally got the first boss battle. It's shit. It's lead me to seriously consider shelving the game instead of trying to power through it. I can see what the lead dev was talking about with them making a mistake farming out the boss battles. Yes, yes you did.

I'd say it is worth playing through the entire game once, but the boss battles only get worse. 

[carnifex27]

You absolutely NEED the 2nd lvl typhoon augmentation for the boss battles.  Seriously.  The only reason not to just cheese the bosses by getting close and typhooning 2-3 times is self-hatred.  If you're lucky you have a saved game long enough before the boss to get the 2 praxis needed for it.  I didn't on my first playthrough, so I didn't play for a few days untill the anger abated and then started a new game.

[Ironwood]

The boss fights are shit, sure enough, but there's more than enough sucky upgrades to make Typhoon a no-brainer.

As to the rest of your complaints :

The Sniper Rifle is an utter fucking waste of time and you should have ditched it AGES ago.  As mentioned already in here, you don't need anything other than a handgun in this game and since headshots count, just get the laser sight and cap them in the fucking head.  Does that suck ?  Yeah, sure, but DX1 was exactly the fucking same, so I'm not sure what you were hoping for.

I didn't find it that easy to die, especially once you start upgrading your skin and turning it into diamonds.  You really do turn unstoppable later on.

You're right about all the console stuff.  But we knew that going in and they did well with the limitations they gave themselves.

For me, I played for the (utterly predictable) story, but they kinda went Obsidian at the end which I wasn't too happy about at all.

So you might actually WANT to put it down now if it's bothering you that much.

[Sheepherder]

The inventory system makes me want to strangle little baby seals in front of a children's choir. I never have enough room. Ammo for anything but combat rifle, pistol and machine pistol is goddamn non-existent. I was so happy that I finally found sniper rifle ammo (after having that monstrosity taking up gobs of space for no good goddamn reason) but it was only like 5 shots. I put them to good use. Why am I fucking with paper doll UO level retardery in 2012?

1. Drop the combat rifle and it's ammo.
2. Drop the machine pistol and it's ammo.
3. Especially drop the sniper rifle and it's ammo.

It is SO easy to die in this game. Look, there's a 10 foot drop. DEAD. Guard sees you... dead.

Fall damage starts at about a story and a half drop and ramps up fast, that's pretty normal.  If you don't like it, the Icarus Landing System is two points and looks really cool.

You know those bottles and cans of painkiller, beer, and bourbon you find lying around?  Pick those up and chug those fuckers down, the temporary health points don't go away when the drunk shader wears off.  Like a sour mash flavoured Big Keg O' Health.   Also, spend points in Dermal Plating if you're mixing it up a lot.  I never felt the need, you should be shooting from behind cover anyways.

Stealth is very easy as long as you abuse the shit out of crouch, wall hugging, and shooting people in the head.  Put all three 10mm-specific upgrades on your 10mm and it will headshot helmeted enemies at basically any range you'd actually need to shoot people.

Stealth Enhancer, Hacking Analyse, Hacking Fortify, Energy Level Upgrade, Aim Stabilizer (not to be confused with recoil compensation), and Cooldown Timer are all garbage and should not be taken unless you have literally nothing else to spend points on.

Or, you know, cheat.  Because some of the weapons which are not the pistol are fucking hilarious fun when fully upgraded with a shitton of ammo to burn through, likewise for augments.

[Lantyssa]

It is SO easy to die in this game. Look, there's a 10 foot drop. DEAD. Guard sees you... dead. Stealth is really fucking wonky. I swear Adam Jensen is going to have arthritis because he spends 95% of his time crouched over like a fucking spider.

Augmented legs.

[HaemishM]

Made it through the boss battle by turning down the difficulty for the fight, then turning it back up after I was done. And added the Typhoon. Went to go visit Sarif in his office and was treated to office furniture floating in space while the music looped in the background. YAY! Steam spent all night verifying the local game cache and redownloading 2 GB of stuff.

[HaemishM]

Welp, I finished it. And blogged about it. tldr version: I enjoyed it, but it really overstayed its welcome. Shitty shit boss battles, useless weapons, terrible inventory system, console limitations on level design and character models, and a story that was about as clear as mud.

[Malakili]

Welp, I finished it. And blogged about it. tldr version: I enjoyed it, but it really overstayed its welcome. Shitty shit boss battles, useless weapons, terrible inventory system, console limitations on level design and character models, and a story that was about as clear as mud.

The Ending-o-matic was a bit silly too.

[Fabricated]

Now that I think about it, how did this game sell overall? I was expecting more DLC, but so far outside of the release day stuff and The Missing Link, there's nothing.

[HaemishM]

According to this Joystiq article, it sold 2.18 million copies across all platforms. I think that's a solid number. I expect a sequel of some kind.

[K9]

Welp, I finished it. And blogged about it. tldr version: I enjoyed it, but it really overstayed its welcome. Shitty shit boss battles, useless weapons, terrible inventory system, console limitations on level design and character models, and a story that was about as clear as mud.

The Ending-o-matic was a bit silly too.

Ending-o-matic was a massive cop-out

[Fabricated]

My favorite part is that the ending I think is implied as canon or the "correct" ending is easily the fucking dumbest of the bunch.

[Sheepherder]

Shitty shit boss battles, useless weapons, terrible inventory system

I told you to cheat, I wasn't kidding.

Deus Ex really is much more fun if you don't have to fuck around with the metagame.

[luckton]

Once again, Slo-mo-ing it here.  Apologies if anything of this is repeated from the previous pages.

Finally put in an all-nighter to play through this game.  I <3 the story, the gameplay, and the mechanics.

But jesus tap-dancing christ, these boss fights are stupid as fuck.  I cannot beat Jaron as an elite stealthy hacker.  I'm already gimped for taking the chip recall and having all of my augs nerfed and the UI going psychedelic, and I have nothing but a 10mm, a tranq gun, and a stun gun to go with.  I have no armor upgrades, so basically the guy one shots me no matter what.  And since I neglected to keep save files other than just one or two, I'm basically gimped into either bashing my head against the wall to beat this guy or just restarting.

Who the fuck thought it was a hot idea to 'outsource' your boss fights anyways?   

[cironian]

I have nothing but a 10mm, a tranq gun, and a stun gun

AFAIR the cabinets that those statues are standing on contain tons of heavy weapons.